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Subject: Re: vote
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 by: Fran - Tue, 24 May 2022 00:42 UTC

On 23/05/2022 8:29 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
> Fran wrote on 23/5/22 10:53 am:
>> On 22/05/2022 8:00 pm, Max wrote:
>>> On 22/05/2022 7:05 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 22 May 2022 18:58:59 +1000, Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>  That isn't even possible for a govt to impose, stupid.
>>>>
>>>>> How do you know?
>>>>
>>>> That is pathetic even for you.
>>>>
>>>>> Maybe the PM can pray to God to make it happen?
>>>>
>>>> There is no god, fuckwit child.
>>>
>>> You're going to feel pretty stupid when you are burning in the fires
>>> of hell.
>>
>> To believe in the existence of a God (aka sky pixie) to be consistent
>> one must also believe in the other unseen entities like Santa Claus,
>> the Tooth Fairy, Pixies, Leprechauns, Yetis etc.  I dont' beleive in
>> any of those things
>>
>> And if one does believe in a God, why that particular God and not one
>> of the other hundreds of Gods?  I've decided that if I ever feel the
>> need to worship some sort of deity, I'll worship Ganesha.
>
> "Ganesha" .... Is that how they spell 'God' in India?? ;-P

It's the name of one specific God.

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 by: Fran - Tue, 24 May 2022 00:46 UTC

On 23/05/2022 8:39 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
> Fran wrote on 23/5/22 11:00 am:

>>> or you could give them to someone
>>> standing in the queue outside!!
>>
>> Hmmm.  Now that is an interesting one.  I doubt that you could do
>> that. Doing that is probably illegal.
>
> If there is no way of telling who cast which vote, how could the
> individual be identified??

I'm pretty sure (but cna't be faffed to do a hunt) that the relevant
legislation forbids anyone from removing any election papers from the
polling place (obvioulsy not the filled boxes of votes). Anyone seen
beign given their papers then taking their papers then carting them
outside is easily identifiable.
>
>>> In each case, the Polling Place staff might have words with you, but
>>> so what!!
>>
>> BUT when it was illegal to vote informal, that would have resulted in
>> some action being taken again the person who did that.
>
> B.M.T., as 'they' say!! "Before My Time!" ;-P

Irrelevant.
>
>>>> so if it could be proven, the person could get in trouble.
>

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 by: Fran - Tue, 24 May 2022 00:52 UTC

On 23/05/2022 6:52 pm, ~Ördög~ wrote:
> Petz

>> 31.9% voted for Labor 35.3% voted for coalition Labor/Coalition
>> parties did not get over 36% of the vote Coalition was the first past
>> the winning post!

Jesus wept. Our resident village idiot still doesn't know a simple
thing like 'preferential voting' is applies to Federal election NOT
'first past the psot'. He's a moron.
>>
> Shifting the goal posts on the run, oh how pathetic!
>
> No such "first past the post" criteria in the Australian preferential
> voting system.

Indeed.

> Fuck off, Petz to the Brexited UK or to the holy-shit US Bible Belt where
> you'd fit in a lot better than in our truly more democratic Australia.
> GO! FUCK OFF! Bye-bye!

We can only hope but sadly I'm sure he'd fail the "Character test' to
migrate to either of those places.

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 by: Fran - Tue, 24 May 2022 00:55 UTC

On 23/05/2022 9:24 pm, Max wrote:
> On 23/05/2022 6:52 pm, ~Ördög~ wrote:
>> Petz
>>
>> /Autosnip: Far-right Trolls and Septic Yanks/
>>
>>> Ördög
>>>> Petz
>>>>> Never complained to me I just draw a cock and balls on ballots
>>>>> (they get the most votes if they were counted)
>>>
>>>> Liar! Why don't you just admit which idiotic far-right candidate
>>>> you wasted your vote on?
>>>> ON? Clive Palmer mob? Some Xtian crusader?
>>
>> /snip/
>>
>>>>> Labor got less primary vote percentages than they have in
>>>>> history 31.9%. The Coalition 35.3%
>>>>> So 65% of voters did not want Labor or Coalition.
>>
>>>> Your math is fucked, Pertz dear!
>>>> So ALP+Coalition ...
>>>> 31.9  +  35.3  =  67.2
>>>> Alas the non aligned voters amunt to what?
>>>> 100 - 67.2 = 32.8
>>>>
>>>>> The "Independents" were just funnels for Labor/Coalition/"Greens"
>>>>
>>>> Is that why we have now so many independents and Greens both in the
>>>> lover and upper House of Parliament?
>>>> Finally real democracy is catching up with OZ! A two party duopoly is
>>>> only slightly better than a one party monopoly.
>>>> Sour grapes for you (and rightarded ilk), Petz dear.
>>>> Flushing down OZ into the alt-right cesspit had suffered a great
>>>> setback, at least for the moment.
>>>> Why don't you just fuck off to Septic Yankland, preferably to the
>>>> Bible Belt to enjoy the man made Hell of extreme rightardism?
>>>> Go Petz, GO! Nobody is going to miss you in OZ!
>>>>
>>> 31.9% voted for Labor 35.3% voted for coalition Labor/Coalition
>>> parties did not get over 36% of the vote Coalition was the first past
>>> the winning post!
>>>
>> Shifting the goal posts on the run, oh how pathetic!
>>
>> No such "first past the post" criteria in the Australian preferential
>> voting system.
>> Fuck off, Petz to the Brexited UK or to the holy-shit US Bible Belt where
>> you'd fit in a lot better than in our truly more democratic Australia.
>> GO! FUCK OFF! Bye-bye!
>>
>
> If he went to the UK or US, he would still be able to post here, so
> what's the point?

The 'point' is trying to educate the moron. Sadly he's ineducable.

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 by: Phil Allison - Tue, 24 May 2022 01:45 UTC

Fran wrote:
==========
>>
> I'm pretty sure (but can't be faffed to do a hunt) that the relevant
> legislation forbids anyone from removing any election papers from the
> polling place (obviously not the filled boxes of votes). Anyone seen
> being given their papers then taking their papers then carting them
> outside is easily identifiable.
>

** Watched that happen at the Ashfield Civic Center polling booth a few years ago.

Two young Chinese gals got papers from the ( seated) AEC staffer, folded them up and just walked out the door.
I approached and spoke to a mobile staffer in the same room and he could not give a shit.

Seems to be common for such children to use parental names to get papers and take them home.
Maybe completed votes are then surreptitiously returned and snuck into the ballot box.
But likely were not.

It also allows fake ballots to be created by a printer, filled in and stuffed in the same box.

....... Phil

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 by: Max - Tue, 24 May 2022 04:05 UTC

On 24/05/2022 11:45 am, Phil Allison wrote:
> Fran wrote:
> ==========
>>>
>> I'm pretty sure (but can't be faffed to do a hunt) that the relevant
>> legislation forbids anyone from removing any election papers from the
>> polling place (obviously not the filled boxes of votes). Anyone seen
>> being given their papers then taking their papers then carting them
>> outside is easily identifiable.
>>
>
> ** Watched that happen at the Ashfield Civic Center polling booth a few years ago.
>
> Two young Chinese gals got papers from the ( seated) AEC staffer, folded them up and just walked out the door.
> I approached and spoke to a mobile staffer in the same room and he could not give a shit.
>

Trust you to be meddling in things you shouldn't be. It is the role of
the AEC staff to watch and oversee things, not you.

> Seems to be common for such children to use parental names to get papers and take them home.
> Maybe completed votes are then surreptitiously returned and snuck into the ballot box.
> But likely were not.
>
> It also allows fake ballots to be created by a printer, filled in and stuffed in the same box.
>
>
>
> ....... Phil
>
>

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 by: Phil Allison - Tue, 24 May 2022 04:21 UTC

FUCK YOU you stinking pile of WOG SHIT.
=================================

Phil Allison wrote:
> > Fran wrote:
> > ==========
> >>>
> >> I'm pretty sure (but can't be faffed to do a hunt) that the relevant
> >> legislation forbids anyone from removing any election papers from the
> >> polling place (obviously not the filled boxes of votes). Anyone seen
> >> being given their papers then taking their papers then carting them
> >> outside is easily identifiable.
> >>
> >
> > ** Watched that happen at the Ashfield Civic Center polling booth a few years ago.
> >
> > Two young Chinese gals got papers from the ( seated) AEC staffer, folded them up and just walked out the door.
> > I approached and spoke to a mobile staffer in the same room and he could not give a shit.
> >
> Trust you to be meddling in things you shouldn't be.

** FUCK YOU you stinking pile of WOG SHIT.
====================================

> It is the role of the AEC staff to watch and oversee things,

** And a * citizens duty * to inform and help them when necessary.

Not part of " Wog Think " I know very well.

Wog motto = " I think, therefore I scam " .
Wot a vile CRIMINAL you are.

...... Phil

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 by: Petzl - Tue, 24 May 2022 07:54 UTC

On Mon, 23 May 2022 19:17:37 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 23 May 2022 17:18:33 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 23 May 2022 10:48:31 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 23 May 2022 10:03:36 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 23 May 2022 09:27:09 +1000, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 22 May 2022 09:55:38 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 21 May 2022 09:56:18 +1000, Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you vote informally, ie. you don't fill in enough boxes, what are
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> chances you get in trouble for this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Never complained to me
>>>>>> I just draw a cock and balls on ballots (they get the most votes if
>>>>>> they were counted)
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah well, I'm voting postal in future. I decided to vote at the
>>>>> local school just up from work, and as late as possible to avoid the
>>>>> riff-raff in the queue.
>>>>> When I arrived there was a queue so long it wrapped round the Earth. I
>>>>> was wedged behind a woman with halitosis,and this I had to endure for
>>>>> a good 30 minutes. It was getting cold and dark. Eventually after
>>>>> waiting in the vast school hall for 15min I discovered I was in the
>>>>> wrong queue and had to start again in the queue for those people
>>>>> living outside the "****" whatever that was. I was one of the last to
>>>>> leave after one whole hour!!! I was dark when I left and the school
>>>>> grounds were unlit necessitating a grope towards the gate, which was
>>>>> now locked, over which I had to scramble!
>>>>>
>>>>> When I woke the next morning I heard the wrong side had won.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stuff it! BAH...!
>>>>>
>>>> I'm in Sydney went to do a bit of shopping first, 1PM, passed a number
>>>> of poll places all full encircled by "Free Parking Brigade",one car,
>>>> one driver, one FREE parking space.
>>>>
>>>> Went in to vote must of been 300 cars parked outside, only around 20
>>>> people inside. Only took around 10 minutes in and out, nobody moved
>>>> from parking spots?
>>>>
>>>> Labor got less primary vote percentages than they have in history
>>>> 31.9%. The Coalition 35.3%
>>>> So 65% of voters did not want Labor or Coalition.
>>>
>>> You have that backwards, 67% did.
>>>
>> No 31.9% voted for Labor
>> 35.3% voted for coalition
>
>So 67% voted for the coalition or labor, stupid.
>
>> Labor/Coalition parties did not get over 36% of the vote
>
>But 67% voted for the coalition or labor, stupid.
>
>> Coalition was the first past the winning post!
>
>But preferences matter, stupid.
>
So those who just voted for the Coalition 1 not voted for the other
objections means their vote is was not counted.

>>>> The "Independents" were just funnels for Labor/Coalition/"Greens"
--
Petzl
If voting made any difference,
They wouldn't let us do it- Mark Twain

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 by: Sylvia Else - Tue, 24 May 2022 08:21 UTC

On 22-May-22 9:55 am, Petzl wrote:
> On Sat, 21 May 2022 09:56:18 +1000, Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:
>
>> If you vote informally, ie. you don't fill in enough boxes, what are the
>> chances you get in trouble for this?
>>
> Never complained to me
> I just draw a cock and balls on ballots (they get the most votes if
> they were counted)

That's not very constructive. If there's no one you want to vote for,
then write down why on the ballot paper. Political parties do read
those, because they want to know why they didn't get the vote.

Sylvia.

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 by: Rod Speed - Tue, 24 May 2022 09:09 UTC

Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
> Petzl wrote
>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote

>>> If you vote informally, ie. you don't fill in enough boxes, what are
>>> the chances you get in trouble for this?

>> Never complained to me

>> I just draw a cock and balls on ballots (they get the most votes if
>> they were counted)

> That's not very constructive. If there's no one you want to vote for,
> then write down why on the ballot paper. Political parties do read
> those, because they want to know why they didn't get the vote.

Trouble is that they all know why already, you don't like anyone on the
ballot paper.

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 by: Rod Speed - Tue, 24 May 2022 09:10 UTC

On Tue, 24 May 2022 17:54:35 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 23 May 2022 19:17:37 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 23 May 2022 17:18:33 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 23 May 2022 10:48:31 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 23 May 2022 10:03:36 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 23 May 2022 09:27:09 +1000, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 22 May 2022 09:55:38 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 21 May 2022 09:56:18 +1000, Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you vote informally, ie. you don't fill in enough boxes, what
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> chances you get in trouble for this?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Never complained to me
>>>>>>> I just draw a cock and balls on ballots (they get the most votes if
>>>>>>> they were counted)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah well, I'm voting postal in future. I decided to vote at the
>>>>>> local school just up from work, and as late as possible to avoid the
>>>>>> riff-raff in the queue.
>>>>>> When I arrived there was a queue so long it wrapped round the
>>>>>> Earth. I
>>>>>> was wedged behind a woman with halitosis,and this I had to endure
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> a good 30 minutes. It was getting cold and dark. Eventually after
>>>>>> waiting in the vast school hall for 15min I discovered I was in the
>>>>>> wrong queue and had to start again in the queue for those people
>>>>>> living outside the "****" whatever that was. I was one of the last
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> leave after one whole hour!!! I was dark when I left and the school
>>>>>> grounds were unlit necessitating a grope towards the gate, which was
>>>>>> now locked, over which I had to scramble!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I woke the next morning I heard the wrong side had won.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stuff it! BAH...!
>>>>>>
>>>>> I'm in Sydney went to do a bit of shopping first, 1PM, passed a
>>>>> number
>>>>> of poll places all full encircled by "Free Parking Brigade",one car,
>>>>> one driver, one FREE parking space.
>>>>>
>>>>> Went in to vote must of been 300 cars parked outside, only around 20
>>>>> people inside. Only took around 10 minutes in and out, nobody moved
>>>>> from parking spots?
>>>>>
>>>>> Labor got less primary vote percentages than they have in history
>>>>> 31.9%. The Coalition 35.3%
>>>>> So 65% of voters did not want Labor or Coalition.
>>>>
>>>> You have that backwards, 67% did.
>>>>
>>> No 31.9% voted for Labor
>>> 35.3% voted for coalition
>>
>> So 67% voted for the coalition or labor, stupid.
>>
>>> Labor/Coalition parties did not get over 36% of the vote
>>
>> But 67% voted for the coalition or labor, stupid.
>>
>>> Coalition was the first past the winning post!
>>
>> But preferences matter, stupid.

> So those who just voted for the Coalition 1 not voted for the other
> objections means their vote is was not counted.

Yes, that is poor legislation.

>>>>> The "Independents" were just funnels for Labor/Coalition/"Greens"

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 by: Petzl - Tue, 24 May 2022 10:33 UTC

On Tue, 24 May 2022 18:21:47 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
wrote:

>On 22-May-22 9:55 am, Petzl wrote:
>> On Sat, 21 May 2022 09:56:18 +1000, Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:
>>
>>> If you vote informally, ie. you don't fill in enough boxes, what are the
>>> chances you get in trouble for this?
>>>
>> Never complained to me
>> I just draw a cock and balls on ballots (they get the most votes if
>> they were counted)
>
>That's not very constructive. If there's no one you want to vote for,
>then write down why on the ballot paper. Political parties do read
>those, because they want to know why they didn't get the vote.
>Sylvia.
>
More construtive than putting just one in the box of who you want to
vote for. When most don't want at all to vote or "part vote" for
anyone else.
Not seen the invalid vote count yet?
--
Petzl
With Labor you're going to end up with a depression the likes of which
you've never seen. You'll be lucky If you end up with a country at
all.

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 by: Sylvia Else - Tue, 24 May 2022 10:59 UTC

On 24-May-22 8:33 pm, Petzl wrote:
> Not seen the invalid vote count yet?

Not that that tells us that much, since it doesn't distinguish between
informal votes that are clearly deliberate, and those from voters who
are just too stupid to make a formal vote.

Sylvia.

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 by: Petzl - Tue, 24 May 2022 11:39 UTC

On Tue, 24 May 2022 20:59:45 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
wrote:

>On 24-May-22 8:33 pm, Petzl wrote:
>> Not seen the invalid vote count yet?
>
>Not that that tells us that much, since it doesn't distinguish between
>informal votes that are clearly deliberate, and those from voters who
>are just too stupid to make a formal vote.
>Sylvia.
>
A informal vote is often, mostly oblecting to "preferences"

If one just votes for one party/independent and don't want it spilled
in secret "preference" counting deals of parties/independents, that
one finds objectionable,

Just putting 1 in the box of the politician one want needs to be
counted or if not win just and only then dissolved.

Should be counted as one vote for that party/independent.
But Australia likes a rigged voting system.

Albo has not been voted as Prime Minister yet, needs to be done by a
full sitting of parliament not media conclusion. Constitution does not
recognize parties.

--
Petzl
If voting made any difference,
They wouldn't let us do it- Mark Twain

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 by: Daniel65 - Tue, 24 May 2022 12:21 UTC

Computer Nerd Kev wrote on 24/5/22 8:59 am:
> In aus.legal Daniel65 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>> ~?rd?g~ wrote on 23/5/22 10:41 am:
>>>>
>>> Liar! Why don't you just admit which idiotic far-right candidate you
>>> wasted your vote on? ON? Clive Palmer mob? Some Xtian crusader?
>>
>> "Some Xtian crusader?" Hmm! Just occurred to me .... Whatever happened
>> to the D.L.P.??
>>
>> I don't recall seeing them on my ballot papers on Saturday!
>
> "In August 2021, the Federal Liberal government passed the so-called
> Electoral Legislation Amendment (Party Registration Integrity) Act
> 2021. This act tripled the minimum number of members required for
> political parties to register and gave exclusive rights to the
> words "liberal" and "labor" to the Liberal and Australian Labor
> parties respectively.
>
> As a result of this legislation, after being in existence for 65
> years, the DLP has been deregistered.

Ah!! O.K.

Memories of helping Dad paste up DLP Candidate Posters back in late 60's
- early 70's!!
--
Daniel

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 by: Rod Speed - Tue, 24 May 2022 18:14 UTC

On Tue, 24 May 2022 20:33:37 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 24 May 2022 18:21:47 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 22-May-22 9:55 am, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Sat, 21 May 2022 09:56:18 +1000, Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you vote informally, ie. you don't fill in enough boxes, what are
>>>> the
>>>> chances you get in trouble for this?
>>>>
>>> Never complained to me
>>> I just draw a cock and balls on ballots (they get the most votes if
>>> they were counted)
>>
>> That's not very constructive. If there's no one you want to vote for,
>> then write down why on the ballot paper. Political parties do read
>> those, because they want to know why they didn't get the vote.
>> Sylvia.
>>
> More construtive than putting just one in the box of who you want to
> vote for. When most don't want at all to vote or "part vote" for
> anyone else.

> Not seen the invalid vote count yet?

Yeah, nothing on the AEC site yet and a surprisingly low turnout rate
too, 80% is pretty common. Not clear why, whether that is people who
didn't bother to voter, postal votes which haven't been counted yet, or
just those who have moved and haven't bothered to tell the AEC that
they have moved with no easy way to fine those.

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 by: Rod Speed - Tue, 24 May 2022 18:16 UTC

On Tue, 24 May 2022 21:39:45 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 24 May 2022 20:59:45 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 24-May-22 8:33 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>> Not seen the invalid vote count yet?
>>
>> Not that that tells us that much, since it doesn't distinguish between
>> informal votes that are clearly deliberate, and those from voters who
>> are just too stupid to make a formal vote.
>> Sylvia.
>>
> A informal vote is often, mostly oblecting to "preferences"
>
> If one just votes for one party/independent and don't want it spilled
> in secret "preference" counting deals of parties/independents, that
> one finds objectionable,
>
> Just putting 1 in the box of the politician one want needs to be
> counted or if not win just and only then dissolved.
>
> Should be counted as one vote for that party/independent.
> But Australia likes a rigged voting system.

> Albo has not been voted as Prime Minister yet, needs to be done by a
> full sitting of parliament

You keep getting that wrong.

> not media conclusion. Constitution does not recognize parties.

Irrelevant.

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 by: Max - Wed, 25 May 2022 06:24 UTC

On 24/05/2022 2:21 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
> FUCK YOU you stinking pile of WOG SHIT.
> =================================
>
> Phil Allison wrote:
>>> Fran wrote:
>>> ==========
>>>>>
>>>> I'm pretty sure (but can't be faffed to do a hunt) that the relevant
>>>> legislation forbids anyone from removing any election papers from the
>>>> polling place (obviously not the filled boxes of votes). Anyone seen
>>>> being given their papers then taking their papers then carting them
>>>> outside is easily identifiable.
>>>>
>>>
>>> ** Watched that happen at the Ashfield Civic Center polling booth a few years ago.
>>>
>>> Two young Chinese gals got papers from the ( seated) AEC staffer, folded them up and just walked out the door.
>>> I approached and spoke to a mobile staffer in the same room and he could not give a shit.
>>>
>> Trust you to be meddling in things you shouldn't be.
>
> ** FUCK YOU you stinking pile of WOG SHIT.
> ====================================
>
>
>> It is the role of the AEC staff to watch and oversee things,
>
>
> ** And a * citizens duty * to inform and help them when necessary.
>
> Not part of " Wog Think " I know very well.
>
> Wog motto = " I think, therefore I scam " .
> Wot a vile CRIMINAL you are.
>

If a wog means not to be a meddler, then wog me up.

Imagine if those Chinese girls had been part of an Asian gang and they
got retribution on you for interfering in their scam?

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 by: Rod Speed - Wed, 25 May 2022 10:00 UTC

Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> Phil Allison wrote
>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>> Phil Allison wrote:
>>>> Fran wrote:

>>>>> I'm pretty sure (but can't be faffed to do a hunt) that the relevant
>>>>> legislation forbids anyone from removing any election papers from the
>>>>> polling place (obviously not the filled boxes of votes). Anyone seen
>>>>> being given their papers then taking their papers then carting them
>>>>> outside is easily identifiable.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ** Watched that happen at the Ashfield Civic Center polling booth a
>>>> few years ago.
>>>>
>>>> Two young Chinese gals got papers from the ( seated) AEC staffer,
>>>> folded them up and just walked out the door.
>>>> I approached and spoke to a mobile staffer in the same room and he
>>>> could not give a shit.
>>>>
>>> Trust you to be meddling in things you shouldn't be.
>> ** FUCK YOU you stinking pile of WOG SHIT.
>> ====================================
>>
>>> It is the role of the AEC staff to watch and oversee things,
>> ** And a * citizens duty * to inform and help them when necessary.
>> Not part of " Wog Think " I know very well.
>> Wog motto = " I think, therefore I scam " .
>> Wot a vile CRIMINAL you are.

> If a wog means not to be a meddler,

Nope, dope.

> then wog me up.

> Imagine if those Chinese girls had been part of an Asian gang and they
> got retribution on you for interfering in their scam?

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken psychotic wog
fantasys.

You don't even know if they just didnt want to vote because
they didn't have a clue about who was on the ballot paper.

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 by: Max - Thu, 26 May 2022 11:51 UTC

On 25/05/2022 8:00 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>> Phil Allison wrote
>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>> Phil Allison wrote:
>>>>> Fran wrote:
>
>>>>>> I'm pretty sure (but can't be faffed to do a hunt) that the relevant
>>>>>> legislation forbids anyone from removing any election papers from the
>>>>>> polling place (obviously not the filled boxes of votes). Anyone seen
>>>>>> being given their papers then taking their papers then carting them
>>>>>> outside is easily identifiable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ** Watched that happen at the Ashfield Civic Center polling booth a
>>>>> few years ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> Two young Chinese gals got papers from the ( seated) AEC staffer,
>>>>> folded them up and just walked out the door.
>>>>> I approached and spoke to a mobile staffer in the same room and he
>>>>> could not give a shit.
>>>>>
>>>> Trust you to be meddling in things you shouldn't be.
>>>  ** FUCK  YOU  you stinking pile of WOG SHIT.
>>>     ====================================
>>>
>>>> It is the role of the AEC staff to watch and oversee things,
>>>   **  And a * citizens duty *  to inform and help them when necessary.
>>>    Not part of   " Wog Think "   I know very well.
>>>    Wog motto =  " I think, therefore I scam " .
>>>   Wot a vile CRIMINAL you are.
>
>> If a wog means not to be a meddler,
>
> Nope, dope.
>
>> then wog me up.
>
>> Imagine if those Chinese girls had been part of an Asian gang and they
>> got retribution on you for interfering in their scam?
>
> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken psychotic wog
> fantasys.
>
> You don't even know if they just didnt want to vote because
> they didn't have a clue about who was on the ballot paper.

Odds are they would have been in a scam. Anyone who meddled with it
would have been up for a gang hit.

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 by: Petzl - Thu, 26 May 2022 12:38 UTC

On Mon, 23 May 2022 09:27:09 +1000, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 22 May 2022 09:55:38 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 21 May 2022 09:56:18 +1000, Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:
>>
>>>If you vote informally, ie. you don't fill in enough boxes, what are the
>>>chances you get in trouble for this?
>>>
>>Never complained to me
>>I just draw a cock and balls on ballots (they get the most votes if
>>they were counted)
>
>Yeah well, I'm voting postal in future. I decided to vote at the
>local school just up from work, and as late as possible to avoid the
>riff-raff in the queue.
>When I arrived there was a queue so long it wrapped round the Earth. I
>was wedged behind a woman with halitosis,and this I had to endure for
>a good 30 minutes. It was getting cold and dark. Eventually after
>waiting in the vast school hall for 15min I discovered I was in the
>wrong queue and had to start again in the queue for those people
>living outside the "****" whatever that was. I was one of the last to
>leave after one whole hour!!! I was dark when I left and the school
>grounds were unlit necessitating a grope towards the gate, which was
>now locked, over which I had to scramble!
>
>When I woke the next morning I heard the wrong side had won.
>
>Stuff it! BAH...!
>
Informal got up to 20% of the vote
Labor won office with just 32% of the primary vote. Over two-thirds of
the electorate wanted someone else.
<https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/24/high-number-of-invalid-votes-in-culturally-diverse-seats-prompts-concerns-after-federal-election>
https://tinyurl.com/2lc85fo9
--
Petzl
If voting made any difference,
They wouldn't let us do it- Mark Twain

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 by: Rod Speed - Thu, 26 May 2022 19:05 UTC

Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>> Phil Allison wrote
>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>> Phil Allison wrote:
>>>>>> Fran wrote:
>
>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure (but can't be faffed to do a hunt) that the
>>>>>>> relevant
>>>>>>> legislation forbids anyone from removing any election papers from
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> polling place (obviously not the filled boxes of votes). Anyone
>>>>>>> seen
>>>>>>> being given their papers then taking their papers then carting them
>>>>>>> outside is easily identifiable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ** Watched that happen at the Ashfield Civic Center polling booth a
>>>>>> few years ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Two young Chinese gals got papers from the ( seated) AEC staffer,
>>>>>> folded them up and just walked out the door.
>>>>>> I approached and spoke to a mobile staffer in the same room and he
>>>>>> could not give a shit.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Trust you to be meddling in things you shouldn't be.
>>>> ** FUCK YOU you stinking pile of WOG SHIT.
>>>> ====================================
>>>>
>>>>> It is the role of the AEC staff to watch and oversee things,
>>>> ** And a * citizens duty * to inform and help them when necessary.
>>>> Not part of " Wog Think " I know very well.
>>>> Wog motto = " I think, therefore I scam " .
>>>> Wot a vile CRIMINAL you are.
>>
>>> If a wog means not to be a meddler,
>> Nope, dope.
>>
>>> then wog me up.
>>
>>> Imagine if those Chinese girls had been part of an Asian gang and they
>>> got retribution on you for interfering in their scam?
>> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken psychotic wog
>> fantasys.

>> You don't even know if they just didnt want to vote because
>> they didn't have a clue about who was on the ballot paper.

> Odds are they would have been in a scam.

Bullshit. Nothing would have been achieved by that scam.

> Anyone who meddled with it would have been up for a gang hit.

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

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 by: Rod Speed - Thu, 26 May 2022 19:08 UTC

On Thu, 26 May 2022 22:38:05 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 23 May 2022 09:27:09 +1000, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 22 May 2022 09:55:38 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 21 May 2022 09:56:18 +1000, Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you vote informally, ie. you don't fill in enough boxes, what are
>>>> the
>>>> chances you get in trouble for this?
>>>>
>>> Never complained to me
>>> I just draw a cock and balls on ballots (they get the most votes if
>>> they were counted)
>>
>> Yeah well, I'm voting postal in future. I decided to vote at the
>> local school just up from work, and as late as possible to avoid the
>> riff-raff in the queue.
>> When I arrived there was a queue so long it wrapped round the Earth. I
>> was wedged behind a woman with halitosis,and this I had to endure for
>> a good 30 minutes. It was getting cold and dark. Eventually after
>> waiting in the vast school hall for 15min I discovered I was in the
>> wrong queue and had to start again in the queue for those people
>> living outside the "****" whatever that was. I was one of the last to
>> leave after one whole hour!!! I was dark when I left and the school
>> grounds were unlit necessitating a grope towards the gate, which was
>> now locked, over which I had to scramble!
>>
>> When I woke the next morning I heard the wrong side had won.
>>
>> Stuff it! BAH...!

> Informal got up to 20% of the vote

We don't know that yet.

> Labor won office with just 32% of the primary vote.Over two-thirds of
> the electorate wanted someone else.

But we have a preferential voting system, stupid.

> <https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/24/high-number-of-invalid-votes-in-culturally-diverse-seats-prompts-concerns-after-federal-election>
> https://tinyurl.com/2lc85fo9

Just because some fuckwit journo in some shit rag claims something...

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 by: Petzl - Thu, 26 May 2022 20:38 UTC

On Fri, 27 May 2022 05:08:06 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>
>>> When I woke the next morning I heard the wrong side had won.
>>>
>>> Stuff it! BAH...!
>
>> Informal got up to 20% of the vote
>
>We don't know that yet.
>
>> Labor won office with just 32% of the primary vote.Over two-thirds of
>> the electorate wanted someone else.
>
>But we have a preferential voting system, stupid.
>
Not really the voting is rigged manipulated to support the unwanted
Labor/Greens/Coalition.
People should be allowed to just select those candidates they want.
By having to number Labor/Greens/Coalition means that if you vote for
a independent or small party these votes ultimately to
Labor/Greens/Coalition. Greens would have zero seats if it wasn't for
so called preference voting
Those that drew "cock and balls" on ballot had more votes than
"Greens"
All this so called preference voting does is give Australia a hung
parliament.
That's why every unemployable loon stands for a senate vote.

Anthony Albanese is a multi millionaire and never worked a day in its
life. Sponged off the taxpayers firstly with the unions and then as a
pathetic politician. God knows what it will do to our country in 3
years with the rest of the dead wood in his party.
Anthony Albanese is estimated to have a net worth of $10 million as of
2022.
No doubt we are going to end up with a depression the likes of which
you've never seen. Be lucky If you end up with a country at all.

>> <https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/24/high-number-of-invalid-votes-in-culturally-diverse-seats-prompts-concerns-after-federal-election>
>> https://tinyurl.com/2lc85fo9
>
>Just because some fuckwit journo in some shit rag claims something...
--
Petzl
If voting made any difference,
They wouldn't let us do it- Mark Twain

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 by: Rod Speed - Thu, 26 May 2022 20:56 UTC

On Fri, 27 May 2022 06:38:50 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 27 May 2022 05:08:06 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> When I woke the next morning I heard the wrong side had won.
>>>>
>>>> Stuff it! BAH...!
>>
>>> Informal got up to 20% of the vote
>>
>> We don't know that yet.
>>
>>> Labor won office with just 32% of the primary vote.Over two-thirds of
>>> the electorate wanted someone else.
>>
>> But we have a preferential voting system, stupid.

> Not really

Yes, really.

> the voting is rigged manipulated to support the unwanted
> Labor/Greens/Coalition.

No rigging/manipulation, a preferential voting system
will always encourage more than just the two majors
and even you should have noticed the the Greens did
very well in this election.

> People should be allowed to just select those candidates they want.

They are allowed to do that, and to express their preference
for who they would like to have if those they primary vote for
don't get enough numbers to get elected.

> By having to number Labor/Greens/Coalition

You don't have to do that, you are free to vote above the line.

> means that if you vote for
> a independent or small party these votes ultimately to
> Labor/Greens/Coalition.

Only Labor and the Coalition because the
Greens hardly ever get a seat in the HoR.

> Greens would have zero seats if it wasn't for
> so called preference voting

Nothing so called about it and even with the British
system, they still ended up with just one Green, just
like we did up till this very unusual election result.

> Those that drew "cock and balls" onballot had more votes than "Greens"

That isn't clear yet.

> All this so called preference voting doesis give Australia a hung
> parliament.

It is looking like it may well be a majority Labor govt.

> That's why every unemployable loon stands for a senate vote.

That is due to a different effect, the party decides the order
on the list and that is always the unemployable. But almost
all of all the Labor candidates have never had a real job anyway.

> Anthony Albanese is a multi millionaire

Nope.

> and never worked a day in its life.

Nope, he worked for the ComBank for a couple of years.

> Sponged off the taxpayers firstly with the unions

Nope, never was a union goon.

> and then as a pathetic politician.

The voters clearly feel otherwise.

> God knows what it will do to our country in 3
> years with the rest of the dead wood in his party.

We survived the dud, whitless and Julia,
we will survive Albo too, you watch.

> Anthony Albanese is estimated to havea net worth of $10 million as of
> 2022.

Only by the same pig ignorant fools who are too stupid
to even notice that he has worked in a real job and never
was a union goon.

> No doubt we are going to end up with a depressionthe likes of which
> you've never seen.

How odd that we didn't with the dud, even tho much of
the world economy imploded just after he became PM.

> Be lucky If you end up with a country at all.

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something...

>>> <https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/24/high-number-of-invalid-votes-in-culturally-diverse-seats-prompts-concerns-after-federal-election>
>>> https://tinyurl.com/2lc85fo9
>>
>> Just because some fuckwit journo in some shit rag claims something...


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