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* HaddiscoeRoland Perry
`* HaddiscoeCharles Ellson
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From: rol...@perry.uk (Roland Perry)
Newsgroups: uk.railway
Subject: Haddiscoe
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2023 12:23:25 +0100
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 by: Roland Perry - Fri, 28 Jul 2023 11:23 UTC

For those who got embroiled in the somewhat tetchy debate about soil
mechanics, and whether the driver originally stopped because the track
was dipping or already slewing sideways, RAIB have finally (18 months
later) issued their report:

<https://www.gov.uk/government/news/report-072023-embankment-washout-
under-a-passenger-train-at-haddiscoe>

Figure 5 is significant.
--
Roland Perry

Re: Haddiscoe

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From: charlese...@btinternet.com (Charles Ellson)
Newsgroups: uk.railway
Subject: Re: Haddiscoe
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2023 19:08:35 +0100
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 by: Charles Ellson - Fri, 28 Jul 2023 18:08 UTC

On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 12:23:25 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:

>For those who got embroiled in the somewhat tetchy debate about soil
>mechanics, and whether the driver originally stopped because the track
>was dipping or already slewing sideways, RAIB have finally (18 months
>later) issued their report:
>
> <https://www.gov.uk/government/news/report-072023-embankment-washout-
>under-a-passenger-train-at-haddiscoe>
>
>Figure 5 is significant.
>
Looking at the following paras. 30-31, is it really necessary in
practice to get permission to set back for such a short distance in
such circumstances ? Platform over-runs without the presence of a
signal (or ramp) used to involve longer distances.

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From: martin.c...@round-midnight.org.uk (Coffee)
Newsgroups: uk.railway
Subject: Re: Haddiscoe
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2023 20:47:38 +0100
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 by: Coffee - Fri, 28 Jul 2023 19:47 UTC

On 28/07/2023 19:08, Charles Ellson wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 12:23:25 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> For those who got embroiled in the somewhat tetchy debate about soil
>> mechanics, and whether the driver originally stopped because the track
>> was dipping or already slewing sideways, RAIB have finally (18 months
>> later) issued their report:
>>
>> <https://www.gov.uk/government/news/report-072023-embankment-washout-
>> under-a-passenger-train-at-haddiscoe>
>>
>> Figure 5 is significant.
>>
> Looking at the following paras. 30-31, is it really necessary in
> practice to get permission to set back for such a short distance in
> such circumstances ? Platform over-runs without the presence of a
> signal (or ramp) used to involve longer distances.

That's been normal practice for years.

The one thing I noticed was how long it took to evacuate the five
passengers once the decision was made.

Re: Haddiscoe

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From: rol...@perry.uk (Roland Perry)
Newsgroups: uk.railway
Subject: Re: Haddiscoe
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2023 07:30:29 +0100
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 by: Roland Perry - Sat, 29 Jul 2023 06:30 UTC

In message <gp08ci1a3buk7i2i2hj79kusqnau973m21@4ax.com>, at 19:08:35 on
Fri, 28 Jul 2023, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com>
remarked:
>On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 12:23:25 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>For those who got embroiled in the somewhat tetchy debate about soil
>>mechanics, and whether the driver originally stopped because the track
>>was dipping or already slewing sideways, RAIB have finally (18 months
>>later) issued their report:
>>
>> <https://www.gov.uk/government/news/report-072023-embankment-washout-
>>under-a-passenger-train-at-haddiscoe>
>>
>>Figure 5 is significant.
>>
>Looking at the following paras. 30-31, is it really necessary in
>practice to get permission to set back for such a short distance in
>such circumstances ?

I wondered about that. "My train fell in the river because I wasn't
allowed to back it a hundred yards away from the collapsing bridge"
seems a bit off.

>Platform over-runs without the presence of a signal (or ramp) used to
>involve longer distances.

--
Roland Perry

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From: rol...@perry.uk (Roland Perry)
Newsgroups: uk.railway
Subject: Re: Haddiscoe
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 by: Roland Perry - Sat, 29 Jul 2023 06:30 UTC

In message <ua160q$2albl$1@dont-email.me>, at 20:47:38 on Fri, 28 Jul
2023, Coffee <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> remarked:
>On 28/07/2023 19:08, Charles Ellson wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 12:23:25 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For those who got embroiled in the somewhat tetchy debate about soil
>>> mechanics, and whether the driver originally stopped because the track
>>> was dipping or already slewing sideways, RAIB have finally (18 months
>>> later) issued their report:
>>>
>>> <https://www.gov.uk/government/news/report-072023-embankment-washout-
>>> under-a-passenger-train-at-haddiscoe>
>>>
>>> Figure 5 is significant.
>>>
>> Looking at the following paras. 30-31, is it really necessary in
>> practice to get permission to set back for such a short distance in
>> such circumstances ? Platform over-runs without the presence of a
>> signal (or ramp) used to involve longer distances.
>
>That's been normal practice for years.
>
>The one thing I noticed was how long it took to evacuate the five
>passengers once the decision was made.

Par for the course is about three hours.
--
Roland Perry

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