Not in a good way.

Despite being double jabbed and a booster I've managed to test positive
(LFT Saturday morning, PCR at 13.00 result at 10.00 yesterday).

I've been pretty conscious of following the rules (having to lead by
example in the rail sector) so I'm a little miffed. Although I do
travel a lot.

No real symptoms, yet. Just no smell or taste [1].

No idea what variant. I've read Omicron has been infecting all and
sundry so perhaps it's that. Not sure if the NHS tell you.

[1] I still maintain an MZ ES250/2 is a beautiful bike.

--
Simon

On 13/12/2021 10:36, sweller wrote:
> Not in a good way.
>
> Despite being double jabbed and a booster I've managed to test positive
> (LFT Saturday morning, PCR at 13.00 result at 10.00 yesterday).
>
> I've been pretty conscious of following the rules (having to lead by
> example in the rail sector) so I'm a little miffed. Although I do
> travel a lot.
>
> No real symptoms, yet. Just no smell or taste [1].
>
> No idea what variant. I've read Omicron has been infecting all and
> sundry so perhaps it's that. Not sure if the NHS tell you.
>
>
> [1] I still maintain an MZ ES250/2 is a beautiful bike.
>

Identification depends on which lab ran the test. Not all can.
Every chance it is Omicron given the proven significantly increased
transmissibility.
Given your youthful vigour you should shake it off OK.

The lad had Delta between his two jabs. The most poorly ever since he
had swine flu when a nipper. Only lasted about three days though.

[1] Beauty is in the eye of the beholder non shocker.

--
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Gilera 175 Sport, Husqvarna 401 Svartpilen
1937 Sunbeam Model 14 250 Sports
"Do not adjust your mind, there is a fault in the reality"

In article <j1om1aFkq18U1@mid.individual.net>, sweller
says...
>
> Not in a good way.
>
> Despite being double jabbed and a booster I've managed to test positive
> (LFT Saturday morning, PCR at 13.00 result at 10.00 yesterday).
>
> I've been pretty conscious of following the rules (having to lead by
> example in the rail sector) so I'm a little miffed. Although I do
> travel a lot.
>
> No real symptoms, yet. Just no smell or taste [1].
>
> No idea what variant. I've read Omicron has been infecting all and
> sundry so perhaps it's that. Not sure if the NHS tell you.
>
>
> [1] I still maintain an MZ ES250/2 is a beautiful bike.

Everyone is gonna get a turn :/

petrolcan wrote:

> Everyone is gonna get a turn :/

Yes, I think you're on the money there. Hopefully the vaccines and
boosters minimise symptoms so people don't really ill.

As I said, I'm a bit miffed as I'd been pretty diligent at following
the rules.

I was taking daily LFT for going to work meetings and did one Saturday
out of habit (Friday's had been -ve) - just as well I did really.

--
Simon

On 13 Dec 2021 11:04:10 GMT, "sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
wrote:

>petrolcan wrote:
>
>> Everyone is gonna get a turn :/
>
>Yes, I think you're on the money there. Hopefully the vaccines and
>boosters minimise symptoms so people don't really ill.

My wife had it as well, after being double-jabbed. She felt like shit
for a couple of days before actually doing a test. Had been to the
office for one day, then a group meal in the evening, and like you,
despite all concerned being vaccinated and tested before the meeting,
somehow it got through.

Did the vaccine minimise symptoms? Well, she was ill, but just in a
bad cold/flu kind of way, and for four or five days, so of course it
could have been worse.

I tested myself several times, but didn't get it, so clearly the
vaccine was working better for me than for her.

--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

On 13/12/2021 11:04, sweller wrote:
> petrolcan wrote:
>
>> Everyone is gonna get a turn :/
>
> Yes, I think you're on the money there. Hopefully the vaccines and
> boosters minimise symptoms so people don't really ill.
>
> As I said, I'm a bit miffed as I'd been pretty diligent at following
> the rules.
>
> I was taking daily LFT for going to work meetings and did one Saturday
> out of habit (Friday's had been -ve) - just as well I did really.
>

The latest news has had the NHS LFT pack by post request website saying
'no more tests available' this morning. I just managed to get a 'collect
code' but when I turn up at the pharmacy will there be a pack of LFts to
collect? Prace bets now! (RIP TOG).

--
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Gilera 175 Sport, Husqvarna 401 Svartpilen
1937 Sunbeam Model 14 250 Sports
"Do not adjust your mind, there is a fault in the reality"

Ace wrote:

> I tested myself several times, but didn't get it, so clearly the
> vaccine was working better for me than for her.

My partner had it in September - I didn't get it then (I was doing
regular tests as well).

Definitely got it now.

--
Simon

On Monday, 13 December 2021 at 10:52:42 UTC, petrolcan wrote:
> In article <j1om1a...@mid.individual.net>, sweller
<snip>

> > No idea what variant. I've read Omicron has been infecting all and
> > sundry so perhaps it's that. Not sure if the NHS tell you.
> >
> >
> > [1] I still maintain an MZ ES250/2 is a beautiful bike.
> Everyone is gonna get a turn :/

On the MZ? Surely it's optional?

On 13/12/2021 11:33, Pete Fisher wrote:
> On 13/12/2021 11:04, sweller wrote:
>> petrolcan wrote:
>>
>>> Everyone is gonna get a turn :/
>>
>> Yes, I think you're on the money there.  Hopefully the vaccines and
>> boosters minimise symptoms so people don't really ill.
>>
>> As I said, I'm a bit miffed as I'd been pretty diligent at following
>> the rules.
>>
>> I was taking daily LFT for going to work meetings and did one Saturday
>> out of habit (Friday's had been -ve) - just as well I did really.
>>
>
> The latest news has had the NHS LFT pack by post request website saying
> 'no more tests available' this morning. I just managed to get a 'collect
> code' but when I turn up at the pharmacy will there be a pack of LFts to
> collect? Prace bets now! (RIP TOG).
>

Bad form etc. but SWMBO just picked up two packs using a collect code no
problem.
--
Moto Morini 2C/375, Moto Morini 2C/350
Gilera 175 Sport, Husqvarna 401 Svartpilen
1937 Sunbeam Model 14 250 Sports
"Do not adjust your mind, there is a fault in the reality"

On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 5:36:28 AM UTC-5, sweller wrote:
> Not in a good way.
>
> Despite being double jabbed and a booster I've managed to test positive
> (LFT Saturday morning, PCR at 13.00 result at 10.00 yesterday).

Sorry to hear that. I'm on tenterhooks at the moment. We are leaving here on Tuesday 21st, for Christmas in England. First time my kids will have seen their grandparents in three full years. So I'm desperate for none of us to catch it before the pre-departure tests we have booked on Sunday 19th. Catching it in England doesn't bother me so much, as we can just hang out until it's over.

> [1] I still maintain an MZ ES250/2 is a beautiful bike.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, old bean. In which case, you're not wrong.

On 13/12/2021 11:33, Pete Fisher wrote:
> On 13/12/2021 11:04, sweller wrote:
>> petrolcan wrote:
>>
>>> Everyone is gonna get a turn :/
>>
>> Yes, I think you're on the money there.  Hopefully the vaccines and
>> boosters minimise symptoms so people don't really ill.
>>
>> As I said, I'm a bit miffed as I'd been pretty diligent at following
>> the rules.
>>
>> I was taking daily LFT for going to work meetings and did one Saturday
>> out of habit (Friday's had been -ve) - just as well I did really.
>>
>
> The latest news has had the NHS LFT pack by post request website saying
> 'no more tests available' this morning. I just managed to get a 'collect
> code' but when I turn up at the pharmacy will there be a pack of LFts to
> collect? Prace bets now! (RIP TOG).
>

Our local is out, and have been for a month.

I'm sure the postal service will resume when they have the staff
available (as it appears that it is more of a case they can't handle all
the requests).

--
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On 13/12/2021 11:56, Stephen Packer wrote:
> On Monday, 13 December 2021 at 10:52:42 UTC, petrolcan wrote:
>> In article <j1om1a...@mid.individual.net>, sweller
> <snip>
>
>>> No idea what variant. I've read Omicron has been infecting all and
>>> sundry so perhaps it's that. Not sure if the NHS tell you.
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] I still maintain an MZ ES250/2 is a beautiful bike.
>> Everyone is gonna get a turn :/
>
> On the MZ? Surely it's optional?

It's that or in the barrel.

On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 12:18:23 +0100, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:

>My wife had it as well, after being double-jabbed. She felt like shit
>for a couple of days before actually doing a test. Had been to the
>office for one day, then a group meal in the evening, and like you,
>despite all concerned being vaccinated and tested before the meeting,
>somehow it got through.
>
>Did the vaccine minimise symptoms? Well, she was ill, but just in a
>bad cold/flu kind of way, and for four or five days, so of course it
>could have been worse.
>
>I tested myself several times, but didn't get it, so clearly the
>vaccine was working better for me than for her.

This is interesting. My limited understanding of how vaccines work is
they they prime your body such that it can produce
antibodies/T-cells/etc to fight the infection when it arrives in your
body. So, at that level, you do "have it", don't you? But is it just
the case that your immune system is fighting it well enough that you
don't have enough viral load in your system for the test to measure as
a positive?

--
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neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 16:37:40 +0000, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

>On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 12:18:23 +0100, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:
>
>>My wife had it as well, after being double-jabbed. She felt like shit
>>for a couple of days before actually doing a test. Had been to the
>>office for one day, then a group meal in the evening, and like you,
>>despite all concerned being vaccinated and tested before the meeting,
>>somehow it got through.
>>
>>Did the vaccine minimise symptoms? Well, she was ill, but just in a
>>bad cold/flu kind of way, and for four or five days, so of course it
>>could have been worse.
>>
>>I tested myself several times, but didn't get it, so clearly the
>>vaccine was working better for me than for her.
>
>This is interesting. My limited understanding of how vaccines work is
>they they prime your body such that it can produce
>antibodies/T-cells/etc to fight the infection when it arrives in your
>body. So, at that level, you do "have it", don't you? But is it just
>the case that your immune system is fighting it well enough that you
>don't have enough viral load in your system for the test to measure as
>a positive?

In an ideal case the immune system will react sufficiently well to
prevent viral particles from being able to infect target cells at all,
thus ensuring no viral load to pass on. Unlikely to be quite that
100% efficient in the real world, but it's certainly possible for the
response to be robust enough to prevent sufficient markers from
appearing for simple LFT positives. However PCR is more sensitive,
possibly too much (multiple reports of false positives), but being
more expensive and time consuming it's not the first choice for an ad
hoc test, so a negative LFT doesn't necessarily tell the whole story.

Asymptomatic infections are absolutely possible, not sure how these
relate to viral load and transmissibility though (someone must have
studied this). There's still sufficient cause to justify mask wearing
even if you think you're OK (cue massive argument?).

--

Pete
Garage vacancy now filled, N+1 incremented accordingly
F800R

On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 16:37:40 +0000, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

>On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 12:18:23 +0100, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:

>>Did the vaccine minimise symptoms? Well, she was ill, but just in a
>>bad cold/flu kind of way, and for four or five days, so of course it
>>could have been worse.
>>
>>I tested myself several times, but didn't get it, so clearly the
>>vaccine was working better for me than for her.
>
>This is interesting. My limited understanding of how vaccines work is
>they they prime your body such that it can produce
>antibodies/T-cells/etc to fight the infection when it arrives in your
>body. So, at that level, you do "have it", don't you?

It's entirely possible that the virus had entered my body, but the
negative tests mean that it had not infected me, i.e. the virus cells
were being killed off before they had a chance to 'invade' any of my
cells; with no body cells infected the virus can neither reproduce nor
be passed on.

So no, I didn't "have it".

>But is it just
>the case that your immune system is fighting it well enough that you
>don't have enough viral load in your system for the test to measure as
>a positive?

The antigen tests do need more of the target proteins to be present
than the PCR ones, so it's possible at the early stage of infection
for home testing to fail to spot it, but if it's taken hold in the
body cells then it will be detectable after some time (e,g, a day or
three). Consistent negative tests over time mean that any viruses
reaching me were being killed off on contact, as it were.

--
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Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote in
news:6fterg93nfkmscea5ei0u2amm01itbg0rs@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 12:18:23 +0100, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:
>
>>My wife had it as well, after being double-jabbed. She felt like shit
>>for a couple of days before actually doing a test. Had been to the
>>office for one day, then a group meal in the evening, and like you,
>>despite all concerned being vaccinated and tested before the meeting,
>>somehow it got through.
>>
>>Did the vaccine minimise symptoms? Well, she was ill, but just in a
>>bad cold/flu kind of way, and for four or five days, so of course it
>>could have been worse.
>>
>>I tested myself several times, but didn't get it, so clearly the
>>vaccine was working better for me than for her.
>
> This is interesting. My limited understanding of how vaccines work is
> they they prime your body such that it can produce
> antibodies/T-cells/etc to fight the infection when it arrives in your
> body. So, at that level, you do "have it", don't you? But is it just
> the case that your immune system is fighting it well enough that you
> don't have enough viral load in your system for the test to measure as
> a positive?
>

Ace's situation is not unusual with the anecdotal evidence I have based
on working in children's services. Teachers and kids seem to be picking
up infections, even those who have had 2 or 3 jabs. Presumably they are
getting decent viral loads as they may have an asymptomatic child
circulating amongst them for a day or two before a LFT picks up the
class/bubble infection. It seems that if their families are vaccinated
and take reasonable precautions at home to reduce transmission then the
rest of the family usually remain clear. I am not a virologist but I
suspect a combination of having had a series of vaccinations and only
getting low viral loads enables the body to stop the virus getting into
the full swing of replication cycles.

Champ wrote:

> My limited understanding of how vaccines work is
> they they prime your body such that it can produce
> antibodies/T-cells/etc to fight the infection when it arrives in your
> body. So, at that level, you do "have it", don't you?

My limited understanding of the mRNA vaccines is that actual virus they are
based on is a chimpanzee cold virus with a touch of "covid19 wrapper" so your
body recognises that.

On 13/12/2021 18:05, Andy Burns wrote:
> Champ wrote:
>
>> My limited understanding of how vaccines work is
>> they they prime your body such that it can produce
>> antibodies/T-cells/etc to fight the infection when it arrives in your
>> body.  So, at that level, you do "have it", don't you?
>
> My limited understanding of the mRNA vaccines is that actual virus they
> are based on is a chimpanzee cold virus with a touch of "covid19
> wrapper" so your body recognises that.

Ook? *sniff*

--
Eddie eddie@deguello.org

Pete wrote:

> In an ideal case the immune system will react sufficiently well to
> prevent viral particles from being able to infect target cells at all,
> thus ensuring no viral load to pass on. Unlikely to be quite that
> 100% efficient in the real world, but it's certainly possible for the
> response to be robust enough to prevent sufficient markers from
> appearing for simple LFT positives.

I've had double vax and a booster and I managed to actually get it - as
well as LFT and PCR positives.

--
Simon

On 13 Dec 2021 18:58:03 GMT, "sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
wrote:

>Pete wrote:
>
>> In an ideal case the immune system will react sufficiently well to
>> prevent viral particles from being able to infect target cells at all,
>> thus ensuring no viral load to pass on. Unlikely to be quite that
>> 100% efficient in the real world, but it's certainly possible for the
>> response to be robust enough to prevent sufficient markers from
>> appearing for simple LFT positives.
>
>I've had double vax and a booster and I managed to actually get it - as
>well as LFT and PCR positives.

Yeah, the breakthrough infections are far from unknown, but at least
in these cases the vaccines should act to alleviate the effects. It's
one of the major irritatiions when arguing with anti-vaxxers. they
seem to want blank-and-white 100% efficacy in this regard which, as
far as I am aware, has never been claimed for any COVID vaccine.

Hope your recovery is complete, and the same to anyone else who has
caught it.

--

Pete
Garage vacancy now filled, N+1 incremented accordingly
F800R

Andy Burns wrote:
> Champ wrote:
>
> > My limited understanding of how vaccines work is
> > they they prime your body such that it can produce
> > antibodies/T-cells/etc to fight the infection when it arrives in your
> > body. So, at that level, you do "have it", don't you?
> My limited understanding of the mRNA vaccines is that actual virus they are
> based on is a chimpanzee cold virus with a touch of "covid19 wrapper" so your
> body recognises that.

IANAE, but I think it's the non-mRNA vaccines that use a carrier virus. The mRNA vaccines are just that - instructions for making the virus spike protein, but nothing more.

On 13/12/2021 18:58, sweller wrote:
>
> I've had double vax and a booster and I managed to actually get it - as
> well as LFT and PCR positives.

I was double-vaxxed, but I think the combination of doing a hard
half-marathon then giving blood two days later left my immune system
somewhat weakened.

--
Eddie eddie@deguello.org

On 13/12/2021 20:58, ogden wrote:
> Andy Burns wrote:
>> Champ wrote:
>>
>>> My limited understanding of how vaccines work is
>>> they they prime your body such that it can produce
>>> antibodies/T-cells/etc to fight the infection when it arrives in your
>>> body. So, at that level, you do "have it", don't you?
>> My limited understanding of the mRNA vaccines is that actual virus they are
>> based on is a chimpanzee cold virus with a touch of "covid19 wrapper" so your
>> body recognises that.
>
> IANAE, but I think it's the non-mRNA vaccines that use a carrier virus. The mRNA vaccines are just that - instructions for making the virus spike protein, but nothing more.

This.

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In article <j1pjdrFqc7cU1@mid.individual.net>, sweller
says...
>
> Pete wrote:
>
> > In an ideal case the immune system will react sufficiently well to
> > prevent viral particles from being able to infect target cells at all,
> > thus ensuring no viral load to pass on. Unlikely to be quite that
> > 100% efficient in the real world, but it's certainly possible for the
> > response to be robust enough to prevent sufficient markers from
> > appearing for simple LFT positives.
>
> I've had double vax and a booster and I managed to actually get it - as
> well as LFT and PCR positives.

Curious to know what combo of vaccines you had?

petrolcan <petrolcan@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <j1pjdrFqc7cU1@mid.individual.net>, sweller
> says...
>>
>> Pete wrote:
>>
>>> In an ideal case the immune system will react sufficiently well to
>>> prevent viral particles from being able to infect target cells at all,
>>> thus ensuring no viral load to pass on. Unlikely to be quite that
>>> 100% efficient in the real world, but it's certainly possible for the
>>> response to be robust enough to prevent sufficient markers from
>>> appearing for simple LFT positives.
>>
>> I've had double vax and a booster and I managed to actually get it - as
>> well as LFT and PCR positives.
>
> Curious to know what combo of vaccines you had?
>

Double Moderna, Pfizer booster, regular masker and sanitizer user and
caught a positive tested case. Slightly impaired for two days, quarantined
for two weeks as the responsible thing to do. No lasting effects except my
5g reception was slightly degraded for a short bit.