Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> wrote
> On 6/09/2021 1:52 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>> Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Daniel65 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 31/8/21 5:37 pm:
>>>>>> Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> wrote

>>>>>>>>>> Other than letting people die or the economy die? I doubt there
>>>>>>>>>> is one. A case of damned if you do, damned if you don't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I suppose if we can get down to a level where it is just like
>>>>>>>>> seasonal flu. Sadly people die from the flu each year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But that is avoidable with covid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not for morons who won't get jabbed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wrong as always if they isolate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Double Covid vaccinated people do still die but at a vastly lower
>>>>>>> rate than the unvaccinated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not true of the flu.
>>>>>
>>>>> Say WHAT?? More of those that get the flu jab die each year than those
>>>>> that don't??
>>>>
>>>> Nope, that those that have the flu jab don’t die at a
>>>> VASTLY LOWER RATE than those who get the flu jab.
>>>
>>> Cite
>>
>> https://erj.ersjournals.com/content/30/3/414
>
> Thanks for proving my point in the cohort addressed in thisstudy.

You never could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.

> Conclusion

> In conclusion, when offered to the general population, influenza
> vaccination was effective in preventing death from all causes among the
> elderly. Although this effectiveness (0–19%) was considerably lower than
> previously thought,

So, like I said, those that have the flu jab don’t die at a
VASTLY LOWER RATE than those who get the flu jab.

> influenza vaccination remains a very important preventive intervention,
> since only 150–300 elderly persons need to be vaccinated in order to
> prevent one death during an epidemic season.

>>>>> Why am I only finding this out now??
>>>>
>>>> You always have been that pig ignorant.

On 6/09/2021 2:29 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> wrote
>> On 6/09/2021 1:52 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> Daniel65 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 31/8/21 5:37 pm:
>>>>>>> Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>>>>>>>> Other than letting people die or the economy die?  I doubt
>>>>>>>>>>> there is one. A case of damned if you do, damned if you don't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I suppose if we can get down to a level where it is just like
>>>>>>>>>> seasonal flu. Sadly people die from the flu each year.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But that is avoidable with covid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not for morons who won't get jabbed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wrong as always if they isolate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Double Covid vaccinated people do still die but at a vastly
>>>>>>>> lower rate than the unvaccinated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not true of the flu.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Say WHAT?? More of those that get the flu jab die each year than
>>>>>> those that don't??
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope, that those that have the flu jab don’t die at a
>>>>> VASTLY LOWER RATE than those who get the flu jab.
>>>>
>>>> Cite
>>>
>>> https://erj.ersjournals.com/content/30/3/414
>>
>> Thanks for proving my point in the cohort addressed in thisstudy.
>
> You never could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.
>
>> Conclusion
>
>> In conclusion, when offered to the general population, influenza
>> vaccination was effective in preventing death from all causes among
>> the elderly. Although this effectiveness (0–19%) was considerably
>> lower than previously thought,
>
> So, like I said, those that have the flu jab don’t die at a
> VASTLY LOWER RATE than those who get the flu jab.

The vastly was in relation to COVID vaccination wasn't it. Anyhow
Influenza immunisation like COVID immunisations reduce deaths

https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/vaccinations-shown-to-reduce-flu-mortality-rates
An Australian study has confirmed flu vaccination effectively reduces
mortality from the disease – positive news after a horror flu season.

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article-abstract/doi/10.1093/cid/ciz1238/5696795?redirectedFrom=fulltext
>
>> influenza vaccination remains a very important preventive
>> intervention, since only 150–300 elderly persons need to be vaccinated
>> in order to prevent one death during an epidemic season.
>
>>>>>> Why am I only finding this out now??
>>>>>
>>>>> You always have been that pig ignorant.
>
>

Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> wrote
>>> On 6/09/2021 1:52 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> Daniel65 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 31/8/21 5:37 pm:
>>>>>>>> Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Other than letting people die or the economy die? I doubt
>>>>>>>>>>>> there is one. A case of damned if you do, damned if you don't.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I suppose if we can get down to a level where it is just like
>>>>>>>>>>> seasonal flu. Sadly people die from the flu each year.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But that is avoidable with covid.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not for morons who won't get jabbed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wrong as always if they isolate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Double Covid vaccinated people do still die but at a vastly lower
>>>>>>>>> rate than the unvaccinated.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not true of the flu.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Say WHAT?? More of those that get the flu jab die each year than
>>>>>>> those that don't??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope, that those that have the flu jab don’t die at a
>>>>>> VASTLY LOWER RATE than those who get the flu jab.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cite
>>>>
>>>> https://erj.ersjournals.com/content/30/3/414
>>>
>>> Thanks for proving my point in the cohort addressed in thisstudy.
>>
>> You never could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.
>>
>>> Conclusion
>>
>>> In conclusion, when offered to the general population, influenza
>>> vaccination was effective in preventing death from all causes among the
>>> elderly. Although this effectiveness (0–19%) was considerably lower than
>>> previously thought,
>>
>> So, like I said, those that have the flu jab don’t die at a
>> VASTLY LOWER RATE than those who get the flu jab.

> The vastly was in relation to COVID vaccination wasn't it.

And I pointed out that that wasn’t true of
influenza, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.

> Anyhow Influenza immunisation like COVID immunisations reduce deaths

But not VASTLY as I said, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.

> https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/vaccinations-shown-to-reduce-flu-mortality-rates
> An Australian study has confirmed flu vaccination effectively reduces
> mortality from the disease – positive news after a horror flu season.

But not VASTLY as I said, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.

> https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article-abstract/doi/10.1093/cid/ciz1238/5696795?redirectedFrom=fulltext
>>
>>> influenza vaccination remains a very important preventive intervention,
>>> since only 150–300 elderly persons need to be vaccinated in order to
>>> prevent one death during an epidemic season.
>>
>>>>>>> Why am I only finding this out now??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You always have been that pig ignorant.

snip

> But not VASTLY as I said, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.

and potty-mouth anti-vaxxer RS disappears up his own arse

On 6/09/2021 11:58 am, Petzl wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Sep 2021 10:09:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Daniel65 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote on 31/8/21 5:37 pm:
>>>> Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Other than letting people die or the economy die? I doubt there is
>>>>>>>> one. A case of damned if you do, damned if you don't.
>>>>
>>>>>>> I suppose if we can get down to a level where it is just like seasonal
>>>>>>> flu. Sadly people die from the flu each year.
>>>>
>>>>>> But that is avoidable with covid.
>>>>
>>>>> Not for morons who won't get jabbed.
>>>>
>>>> Wrong as always if they isolate.
>>>>> Double Covid vaccinated people do still die but at a vastly lower rate
>>>>> than the unvaccinated.
>>>>
>>>> Not true of the flu.
>>>
>>> Say WHAT?? More of those that get the flu jab die each year than those
>>> that don't??
>>
>> Nope, that those that have the flu jab don’t die at a
>> VASTLY LOWER RATE than those who get the flu jab.
>>
>>> Why am I only finding this out now??
>>
>> You always have been that pig ignorant.
>>
> Daniel65 is trying hard for a "Dumb3" position but will have to kill
> at least one of the other three (Fran, Ordog, Drechucker)

Nope. Daniel is already a member of the dumb 3 or 5 or 42. You are
just too dumb to figure out how many people belong to that 'dumb' group
and who are honoured and flattered when you call them dumb.

Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> wrote

>> But not VASTLY as I said, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.

> and potty-mouth anti-vaxxer RS disappears up his own arse

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

And I am not an anti-vaxxer, you pathetic excuse for a lying bullshit
artist.

Petzl wrote on 6/9/21 8:16 am:
> On Mon, 6 Sep 2021 06:28:15 +1000, Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/09/2021 10:54 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
>>> Petzl wrote on 5/9/21 8:28 pm:
>>>> On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 18:21:18 +1000, Daniel65
>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>> *Ördög* wrote on 31/8/21 4:18 pm:
>>>>>> It was written by Fran:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Petz
>>>>>> /snip /
>>>>>>>> Remember the story of the guy drowning and he prayed to
>>>>>>>> God to be saved. A rescue boat came along and he
>>>>>>>> refused to get in. "No" said he, "I prayed for God to
>>>>>>>> save me, I don't need your boat."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Catholics and Anglicans have been for voluntary
>>>>>>>> vaccination, responsible Australian adults have the
>>>>>>>> right to determine their own medical treatment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No meds today?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Petz must have replaced today's meds with an extra goon
>>>>>> bag. The result is already showing!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ??
>>>>>>
>>>>> Ah!! Good! I didn't miss where my Priest said something like
>>>>> "You don't need to get vaccinated, people have the right to
>>>>> determine their own medical treatment."
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to think I listen to the Priest when I'm at Mass!
>>>>>
>>>> I prayed for god to rescue me not you.
>>>> https://truthbook.com/stories/funny-god/the-drowning-man
>>>>
>>> ???
>>
>> It is a joke I posted ages ago that seems to have amused pez
>>
> It is in the Bible,

Where is it in The Bible, Pertz?? Book, Chapter and Verses, please.

Here, I'll provide a link to an on-line version of The Bible, so we can
both be talking from the same reference ....
https://netbible.org/bible/Genesis+1

It starts, logically, at Genesis, Chapt 1, but you can then select
whichever you want.

> ScoMo and Gladys are trying to rescue Australians. The cost will come
> after next election in BIG tax hikes along with Parliamentary
> salaries (something Greens and labor will support)
>
And you would have a reference for this claim as well, wouldn't you,
Petzl?? Cite!
--
Daniel

Fran wrote on 6/9/21 9:37 am:
> On 5/09/2021 10:54 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
>> Petzl wrote on 5/9/21 8:28 pm:
>>> On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 18:21:18 +1000, Daniel65
>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>> *Ördög* wrote on 31/8/21 4:18 pm:
>>>>> It was written by Fran:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Petz
>>>>> /snip /
>>>>>>> Remember the story of the guy drowning and he prayed to God to be
>>>>>>> saved. A rescue boat came along and he refused to get in. "No"
>>>>>>> said he,
>>>>>>> "I prayed for God to save me, I don't need your boat."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Catholics and Anglicans have been for voluntary vaccination,
>>>>>>> responsible Australian adults have the right to determine their own
>>>>>>> medical treatment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No meds today?
>>>>>
>>>>> Petz must have replaced today's meds with an extra goon bag.
>>>>> The result is already showing!
>>>>>
>>>>> ??
>>>>>
>>>> Ah!! Good! I didn't miss where my Priest said something like "You don't
>>>> need to get vaccinated, people have the right to determine their own
>>>> medical treatment."
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to think I listen to the Priest when I'm at Mass!
>>>>
>>> I prayed for god to rescue me not you.
>>> https://truthbook.com/stories/funny-god/the-drowning-man
>>>
>> ???
>
> LOL
>
> It's the after effects of that extra goon bag.....

Ah!! Well, Sunday was pleasantly warm, so Petzl had to keep his fluid
levels up!! ;-)
--
Daniel

Fran wrote on 6/9/21 4:12 pm:
> On 6/09/2021 11:58 am, Petzl wrote:
>> On Mon, 6 Sep 2021 10:09:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Daniel65 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 31/8/21 5:37 pm:
>>>>> Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Other than letting people die or the economy die?  I doubt
>>>>>>>>> there is
>>>>>>>>> one. A case of damned if you do, damned if you don't.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I suppose if we can get down to a level where it is just like
>>>>>>>> seasonal
>>>>>>>> flu. Sadly people die from the flu each year.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> But that is avoidable with covid.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Not for morons who won't get jabbed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wrong as always if they isolate.
>>>>>> Double Covid vaccinated people do still die but at a vastly lower
>>>>>> rate
>>>>>> than the unvaccinated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not true of the flu.
>>>>
>>>> Say WHAT?? More of those that get the flu jab die each year than those
>>>> that don't??
>>>
>>> Nope, that those that have the flu jab don’t die at a
>>> VASTLY LOWER RATE than those who get the flu jab.
>>>
>>>> Why am I only finding this out now??
>>>
>>> You always have been that pig ignorant.
>>>
>> Daniel65 is trying hard for a "Dumb3" position but will have to kill
>> at least one of the other three (Fran, Ordog, Drechucker)
>
> Nope.  Daniel is already a member of the dumb 3 or 5 or 42.  You are
> just too dumb to figure out how many people belong to that 'dumb' group
> and who are honoured and flattered when you call them dumb.

;-)
--
Daniel

Fran wrote on 6/9/21 9:46 am:
> On 5/09/2021 6:09 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
>> Fran wrote on 30/8/21 1:30 pm:
>>> On 30/08/2021 8:36 am, Dechucka wrote:
>>>> I can totally understand why the cave dwelling Western Australians
>>>> and Q'landers don't want to open up to the COVID riddled States as
>>>> they live their lives fairly normally. The only option is to get
>>>> everybody over 16, preferably 12, who wants to be vaccinated jabbed
>>>> and than let it rip. Obviously totally unfair to those who can't get
>>>> the vaccine for medical reasons but that is currently the case with
>>>> other diseases.
>>>>
>>>> The caveats in the Doherty reports are major so SloMo's reliance on
>>>> it when talking about opening up at 70-80% is wonky to say the least.
>>>> https://www.doherty.edu.au/uploads/content_doc/DohertyModelling_NationalPlan_and_Addendum_20210810.pdf
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hmmmmmmm.  Considering all of this came from just one case of a poor
>>> bloke just doing his job of driving a flight crew to it's
>>> accommodation, I'm not so keen to open up, yet.
>>
>> Where did the driver get it from?? One of the Flight Crews that he'd
>> been moving?? Somewhere else??
>
> Yep.  From an American air crew - perhaps from a Delta Airlines freight
> crew.............
> .
> .
> .
> ..
> .
> But in reality, he got it from a FedEx crew

Ah!! So we can blame our current situations on ... ??
--
Daniel

Daniel65 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote
> Fran wrote on 6/9/21 9:46 am:
>> On 5/09/2021 6:09 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
>>> Fran wrote on 30/8/21 1:30 pm:
>>>> On 30/08/2021 8:36 am, Dechucka wrote:
>>>>> I can totally understand why the cave dwelling Western Australians and
>>>>> Q'landers don't want to open up to the COVID riddled States as they
>>>>> live their lives fairly normally. The only option is to get everybody
>>>>> over 16, preferably 12, who wants to be vaccinated jabbed and than let
>>>>> it rip. Obviously totally unfair to those who can't get the vaccine
>>>>> for medical reasons but that is currently the case with other
>>>>> diseases.
>>>>>
>>>>> The caveats in the Doherty reports are major so SloMo's reliance on it
>>>>> when talking about opening up at 70-80% is wonky to say the least.
>>>>> https://www.doherty.edu.au/uploads/content_doc/DohertyModelling_NationalPlan_and_Addendum_20210810.pdf
>>>>
>>>> Hmmmmmmm. Considering all of this came from just one case of a poor
>>>> bloke just doing his job of driving a flight crew to it's
>>>> accommodation, I'm not so keen to open up, yet.
>>>
>>> Where did the driver get it from?? One of the Flight Crews that he'd
>>> been moving?? Somewhere else??
>>
>> Yep. From an American air crew - perhaps from a Delta Airlines freight
>> crew.............

>> But in reality, he got it from a FedEx crew
>
> Ah!! So we can blame our current situations on ... ??

That fool driver not doing what he was supposed to do.

On 6/09/2021 11:43 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
> Fran wrote on 6/9/21 9:46 am:
>> On 5/09/2021 6:09 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
>>> Fran wrote on 30/8/21 1:30 pm:
>>>> On 30/08/2021 8:36 am, Dechucka wrote:
>>>>> I can totally understand why the cave dwelling Western Australians
>>>>> and Q'landers don't want to open up to the COVID riddled States as
>>>>> they live their lives fairly normally. The only option is to get
>>>>> everybody over 16, preferably 12, who wants to be vaccinated jabbed
>>>>> and than let it rip. Obviously totally unfair to those who can't
>>>>> get the vaccine for medical reasons but that is currently the case
>>>>> with other diseases.
>>>>>
>>>>> The caveats in the Doherty reports are major so SloMo's reliance on
>>>>> it when talking about opening up at 70-80% is wonky to say the least.
>>>>> https://www.doherty.edu.au/uploads/content_doc/DohertyModelling_NationalPlan_and_Addendum_20210810.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hmmmmmmm.  Considering all of this came from just one case of a poor
>>>> bloke just doing his job of driving a flight crew to it's
>>>> accommodation, I'm not so keen to open up, yet.
>>>
>>> Where did the driver get it from?? One of the Flight Crews that he'd
>>> been moving?? Somewhere else??
>>
>> Yep.  From an American air crew - perhaps from a Delta Airlines
>> freight crew.............
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> ..
>> .
>> But in reality, he got it from a FedEx crew
>
> Ah!! So we can blame our current situations on ... ??

:-))))) Yep. Our allies.