I've been using an Applescript called QuitAll to close down apps with a click
at the end of the day etc.

https://github.com/vanwijkdave/QuitAll

However, some apps (most Microsoft, Apple Mail) need a couple of executions to
quit. I'm not sure why this might be, but does anyone know of anything better?

--
Cheers, Rob

On 15 Feb 2022 at 10:43:05 GMT, "RJH" <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:

> I've been using an Applescript called QuitAll to close down apps with a click
> at the end of the day etc.
>
> https://github.com/vanwijkdave/QuitAll
>
> However, some apps (most Microsoft, Apple Mail) need a couple of executions to
> quit. I'm not sure why this might be, but does anyone know of anything better?

I've got an experimental shortcut based on this script I saw the other day.
I'm still working on it but it does seem to quit Mail.

-- get list of open apps
tell application "System Events" to set allApps to displayed name of (every
process whose background only is false) as list

-- leave some apps open
set exclusions to {"Script Editor", "Automator", "Finder", "LaunchBar"}

-- quit each app
repeat with thisApp in allApps
set thisApp to thisApp as text
if thisApp is not in exclusions then
tell application thisApp to quit
end if
end repeat

--
Cheers, Alan

On 15 Feb 2022 at 10:50:30 GMT, "Alan B"
<alanrichardbarker@nospam.gmail.com.here> wrote:

> On 15 Feb 2022 at 10:43:05 GMT, "RJH" <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
>
>> I've been using an Applescript called QuitAll to close down apps with a click
>> at the end of the day etc.
>>
>> https://github.com/vanwijkdave/QuitAll
>>
>> However, some apps (most Microsoft, Apple Mail) need a couple of executions to
>> quit. I'm not sure why this might be, but does anyone know of anything better?
>
> I've got an experimental shortcut based on this script I saw the other day.
> I'm still working on it but it does seem to quit Mail.
>
> -- get list of open apps
> tell application "System Events" to set allApps to displayed name of (every
> process whose background only is false) as list
>
> -- leave some apps open
> set exclusions to {"Script Editor", "Automator", "Finder", "LaunchBar"}
>
> -- quit each app
> repeat with thisApp in allApps
> set thisApp to thisApp as text
> if thisApp is not in exclusions then
> tell application thisApp to quit
> end if
> end repeat

Well wouldn't you know!!! Just tried it and it failed to close Mail but worked
on the second try.

--
Cheers, Alan

In article <sug03p$v52$1@dont-email.me>, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com>
wrote:

> I've been using an Applescript called QuitAll to close down apps with a click
> at the end of the day etc.
>
> https://github.com/vanwijkdave/QuitAll
>
> However, some apps (most Microsoft, Apple Mail) need a couple of executions to
> quit. I'm not sure why this might be, but does anyone know of anything better?

Why do you need an applescript to do this? It will interest me to know.

For 'eons' I've been using the Shortcut to switch between open
applications:

- No matter which application you're in (inc Finder): Cmd-Tab
- That brings up a row of all the open apps.
- Holding Cmd down, use the Tab key to move to move along the row.
- When you hit an application that you want to quit, move your finger
all the way from the Tab key to the Q key, then move on again.

Naturally this is also used to switch between applications.

Kind regards
John

On 15 Feb 2022 at 12:23:32 GMT, "Another John" <lalaw44@hotmail.com> wrote:

> In article <sug03p$v52$1@dont-email.me>, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I've been using an Applescript called QuitAll to close down apps with a click
>> at the end of the day etc.
>>
>> https://github.com/vanwijkdave/QuitAll
>>
>> However, some apps (most Microsoft, Apple Mail) need a couple of executions to
>> quit. I'm not sure why this might be, but does anyone know of anything better?
>
> Why do you need an applescript to do this? It will interest me to know.
>
> For 'eons' I've been using the Shortcut to switch between open
> applications:
>
> - No matter which application you're in (inc Finder): Cmd-Tab
> - That brings up a row of all the open apps.
> - Holding Cmd down, use the Tab key to move to move along the row.
> - When you hit an application that you want to quit, move your finger
> all the way from the Tab key to the Q key, then move on again.
>
> Naturally this is also used to switch between applications.

Well I don't know about RJH but in my case ,just as a mental challenge!

--
Cheers, Alan

On 15/02/2022 12:29, Alan B wrote:
> On 15 Feb 2022 at 12:23:32 GMT, "Another John" <lalaw44@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <sug03p$v52$1@dont-email.me>, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've been using an Applescript called QuitAll to close down apps with a click
>>> at the end of the day etc.
>>>
>>> https://github.com/vanwijkdave/QuitAll
>>>
>>> However, some apps (most Microsoft, Apple Mail) need a couple of executions to
>>> quit. I'm not sure why this might be, but does anyone know of anything better?
>>
>> Why do you need an applescript to do this? It will interest me to know.
>>
>> For 'eons' I've been using the Shortcut to switch between open
>> applications:
>>
>> - No matter which application you're in (inc Finder): Cmd-Tab
>> - That brings up a row of all the open apps.
>> - Holding Cmd down, use the Tab key to move to move along the row.
>> - When you hit an application that you want to quit, move your finger
>> all the way from the Tab key to the Q key, then move on again.
>>
>> Naturally this is also used to switch between applications.
>
> Well I don't know about RJH but in my case ,just as a mental challenge!
>

That was useful to know. Only problem is I now have to restart
everything :-)

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

In article <sug03p$v52$1@dont-email.me>, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:

> I've been using an Applescript called QuitAll to close down apps with a click
> at the end of the day etc.

why?

there is no harm if they're idle.

On 15 Feb 2022 at 13:04:43 GMT, "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <sug03p$v52$1@dont-email.me>, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
>
>> I've been using an Applescript called QuitAll to close down apps with a click
>> at the end of the day etc.
>
> why?
>
> there is no harm if they're idle.

Seconded. Basically pointless. If you're shutting down the Mac,
completely pointless as the shutdown process does the same anyway.

Cheers - Jaimie
--
"The time you enjoy wasting is not wasted"
-- Bertrand Russell

On Tuesday, 15 February 2022 at 13:30:58 UTC, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
> On 15 Feb 2022 at 13:04:43 GMT, "nospam" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> > In article <sug03p$v52$1...@dont-email.me>, RJH <patch...@gmx.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I've been using an Applescript called QuitAll to close down apps with a click
> >> at the end of the day etc.
> >
> > why?
> >
> > there is no harm if they're idle.
> Seconded. Basically pointless. If you're shutting down the Mac,
> completely pointless as the shutdown process does the same anyway.
>
> Cheers - Jaimie
> --
> "The time you enjoy wasting is not wasted"
> -- Bertrand Russell

There's an advantage to not quiting, as you can have those items that were open when you shutdown'd to open back up again
when you startup.

Been wondering whether there's an auto startup on the latest IOS.

In article <695b10e8-9544-4354-b2b5-c7fc484646d0n@googlegroups.com>,
whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> Been wondering whether there's an auto startup on the latest IOS.

no, although some apps support state restoration if appropriate.

On 15 Feb 2022 at 13:04:43 GMT, "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <sug03p$v52$1@dont-email.me>, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
>
>> I've been using an Applescript called QuitAll to close down apps with a click
>> at the end of the day etc.
>
> why?

I started doing it when the computer (a last-gen Intel iMac) wouldn't sleep -
couldn't isolate the cause.
>
> there is no harm if they're idle.

The habit's stuck. I can't see that it does any harm?

--
Cheers, Rob

On 15 Feb 2022 at 10:53:57 GMT, "Alan B"
<alanrichardbarker@nospam.gmail.com.here> wrote:

> On 15 Feb 2022 at 10:50:30 GMT, "Alan B"
> <alanrichardbarker@nospam.gmail.com.here> wrote:
>
>> On 15 Feb 2022 at 10:43:05 GMT, "RJH" <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I've been using an Applescript called QuitAll to close down apps with a click
>>> at the end of the day etc.
>>>
>>> https://github.com/vanwijkdave/QuitAll
>>>
>>> However, some apps (most Microsoft, Apple Mail) need a couple of executions to
>>> quit. I'm not sure why this might be, but does anyone know of anything better?
>>
>> I've got an experimental shortcut based on this script I saw the other day.
>> I'm still working on it but it does seem to quit Mail.
>>
>> -- get list of open apps
>> tell application "System Events" to set allApps to displayed name of (every
>> process whose background only is false) as list
>>
>> -- leave some apps open
>> set exclusions to {"Script Editor", "Automator", "Finder", "LaunchBar"}
>>
>> -- quit each app
>> repeat with thisApp in allApps
>> set thisApp to thisApp as text
>> if thisApp is not in exclusions then
>> tell application thisApp to quit
>> end if
>> end repeat
>
> Well wouldn't you know!!! Just tried it and it failed to close Mail but worked
> on the second try.

:-)
--
Cheers, Rob

On 15 Feb 2022 at 12:38:42 GMT, "Graeme Wall" <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

> On 15/02/2022 12:29, Alan B wrote:
>> On 15 Feb 2022 at 12:23:32 GMT, "Another John" <lalaw44@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <sug03p$v52$1@dont-email.me>, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've been using an Applescript called QuitAll to close down apps with a click
>>>> at the end of the day etc.
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/vanwijkdave/QuitAll
>>>>
>>>> However, some apps (most Microsoft, Apple Mail) need a couple of executions to
>>>> quit. I'm not sure why this might be, but does anyone know of anything better?
>>>
>>> Why do you need an applescript to do this? It will interest me to know.
>>>
>>> For 'eons' I've been using the Shortcut to switch between open
>>> applications:
>>>
>>> - No matter which application you're in (inc Finder): Cmd-Tab
>>> - That brings up a row of all the open apps.
>>> - Holding Cmd down, use the Tab key to move to move along the row.
>>> - When you hit an application that you want to quit, move your finger
>>> all the way from the Tab key to the Q key, then move on again.
>>>
>>> Naturally this is also used to switch between applications.
>>
>> Well I don't know about RJH but in my case ,just as a mental challenge!
>>
>

As mentioned elsewhere, open apps *seemed* to cause an issue with Sleep. I've
now just got into the habit, and insofar as such a thing is capable of
generating feeling, it 'feels' right :-)

> That was useful to know. Only problem is I now have to restart
> everything :-)

I don't find that's an issue - they seem to stay in RAM anyway.

--
Cheers, Rob

On 15/02/2022 12:23, Another John wrote:
> In article <sug03p$v52$1@dont-email.me>, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I've been using an Applescript called QuitAll to close down apps with a click
>> at the end of the day etc.
>>
>> https://github.com/vanwijkdave/QuitAll
>>
>> However, some apps (most Microsoft, Apple Mail) need a couple of executions to
>> quit. I'm not sure why this might be, but does anyone know of anything better?
>
> Why do you need an applescript to do this? It will interest me to know.
>
> For 'eons' I've been using the Shortcut to switch between open
> applications:
>
> - No matter which application you're in (inc Finder): Cmd-Tab
> - That brings up a row of all the open apps.
> - Holding Cmd down, use the Tab key to move to move along the row.
> - When you hit an application that you want to quit, move your finger
> all the way from the Tab key to the Q key, then move on again.
>
> Naturally this is also used to switch between applications.

Great tip!

In article <sugmsh$ms1$1@dont-email.me>, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:

>
> > That was useful to know. Only problem is I now have to restart
> > everything :-)
>
> I don't find that's an issue - they seem to stay in RAM anyway.

some parts are cached, which is why a relaunch is generally faster than
a first launch, but either way, it's going to be longer than waking
from sleep with the apps running.

In article <sugmn1$lnn$1@dont-email.me>, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:

> >> I've been using an Applescript called QuitAll to close down apps with a
> >> click
> >> at the end of the day etc.
> >
> > why?
>
> I started doing it when the computer (a last-gen Intel iMac) wouldn't sleep -
> couldn't isolate the cause.

quitting apps has no effect whatsoever on sleep.

you should diagnose the sleep issue and resolve whatever the true cause
is.

> > there is no harm if they're idle.
>
> The habit's stuck. I can't see that it does any harm?

the harm is that it requires relaunching the apps and re-opening
whatever documents, reloading webpages, etc.

there is *no* benefit from the additional time.

On 15 Feb 2022 at 18:32:19 GMT, "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <sugmn1$lnn$1@dont-email.me>, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
>
>>>> I've been using an Applescript called QuitAll to close down apps with a
>>>> click
>>>> at the end of the day etc.
>>>
>>> why?
>>
>> I started doing it when the computer (a last-gen Intel iMac) wouldn't sleep -
>> couldn't isolate the cause.
>
> quitting apps has no effect whatsoever on sleep.
>

I have a feeling they might - Mail for example seems to keep on polling
whatever the settings. Even so . . .

> you should diagnose the sleep issue and resolve whatever the true cause
> is.
>
Agreed - I did have a go and couldn't get to the bottom of it. And . . .

>>> there is no harm if they're idle.
>>
>> The habit's stuck. I can't see that it does any harm?
>
> the harm is that it requires relaunching the apps and re-opening
> whatever documents, reloading webpages, etc.
>
> there is *no* benefit from the additional time.

I just happen to like apps and whatever it is I've been working on closed at
the end of the day. I probably wouldn't be quite so nuerotic about it if it
wasn't for the sleep issue but there it is.

Anyhoo, grateful though I am for the life coaching tips, any suggestion for a
one-click cure welcome (Another John's approach quite nifty btw, thanks).

--
Cheers, Rob

In article <suh2c5$5qc$1@dont-email.me>, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:

> >>>> I've been using an Applescript called QuitAll to close down apps with a
> >>>> click
> >>>> at the end of the day etc.
> >>>
> >>> why?
> >>
> >> I started doing it when the computer (a last-gen Intel iMac) wouldn't
> >> sleep -
> >> couldn't isolate the cause.
> >
> > quitting apps has no effect whatsoever on sleep.
> >
>
> I have a feeling they might - Mail for example seems to keep on polling
> whatever the settings. Even so . . .

they don't.

*some* apps will partially wake for minor tasks, known as power nap,
then go back to sleep.
<https://support.apple.com/my-mm/guide/mac-help/mh40773/mac>

On 15/02/2022 20:33, nospam wrote:
> In article <suh2c5$5qc$1@dont-email.me>, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> I've been using an Applescript called QuitAll to close down apps with a
>>>>>> click
>>>>>> at the end of the day etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> why?
>>>>
>>>> I started doing it when the computer (a last-gen Intel iMac) wouldn't
>>>> sleep -
>>>> couldn't isolate the cause.
>>>
>>> quitting apps has no effect whatsoever on sleep.
>>>
>>
>> I have a feeling they might - Mail for example seems to keep on polling
>> whatever the settings. Even so . . .
>
> they don't.
>
> *some* apps will partially wake for minor tasks, known as power nap,
> then go back to sleep.
> <https://support.apple.com/my-mm/guide/mac-help/mh40773/mac>

Thank you for providing the Apple reference.

On 15/02/2022 17:11, RJH wrote:
> On 15 Feb 2022 at 12:38:42 GMT, "Graeme Wall" <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> On 15/02/2022 12:29, Alan B wrote:
>>> On 15 Feb 2022 at 12:23:32 GMT, "Another John" <lalaw44@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <sug03p$v52$1@dont-email.me>, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've been using an Applescript called QuitAll to close down apps with a click
>>>>> at the end of the day etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://github.com/vanwijkdave/QuitAll
>>>>>
>>>>> However, some apps (most Microsoft, Apple Mail) need a couple of executions to
>>>>> quit. I'm not sure why this might be, but does anyone know of anything better?
>>>>
>>>> Why do you need an applescript to do this? It will interest me to know.
>>>>
>>>> For 'eons' I've been using the Shortcut to switch between open
>>>> applications:
>>>>
>>>> - No matter which application you're in (inc Finder): Cmd-Tab
>>>> - That brings up a row of all the open apps.
>>>> - Holding Cmd down, use the Tab key to move to move along the row.
>>>> - When you hit an application that you want to quit, move your finger
>>>> all the way from the Tab key to the Q key, then move on again.
>>>>
>>>> Naturally this is also used to switch between applications.
>>>
>>> Well I don't know about RJH but in my case ,just as a mental challenge!
>>>
>>
>
> As mentioned elsewhere, open apps *seemed* to cause an issue with Sleep. I've
> now just got into the habit, and insofar as such a thing is capable of
> generating feeling, it 'feels' right :-)
>
>> That was useful to know. Only problem is I now have to restart
>> everything :-)
>
> I don't find that's an issue - they seem to stay in RAM anyway.
>

I'd just experimented with it. Since it worked I had to re-open all the
apps I had been using. Only 3 as it happened.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 15/02/2022 17:11, RJH wrote:
>> On 15 Feb 2022 at 12:38:42 GMT, "Graeme Wall" <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 15/02/2022 12:29, Alan B wrote:
>>>> On 15 Feb 2022 at 12:23:32 GMT, "Another John" <lalaw44@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <sug03p$v52$1@dont-email.me>, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been using an Applescript called QuitAll to close down apps with a click
>>>>>> at the end of the day etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://github.com/vanwijkdave/QuitAll
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, some apps (most Microsoft, Apple Mail) need a couple of executions to
>>>>>> quit. I'm not sure why this might be, but does anyone know of anything better?
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do you need an applescript to do this? It will interest me to know.
>>>>>
>>>>> For 'eons' I've been using the Shortcut to switch between open
>>>>> applications:
>>>>>
>>>>> - No matter which application you're in (inc Finder): Cmd-Tab
>>>>> - That brings up a row of all the open apps.
>>>>> - Holding Cmd down, use the Tab key to move to move along the row.
>>>>> - When you hit an application that you want to quit, move your finger
>>>>> all the way from the Tab key to the Q key, then move on again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Naturally this is also used to switch between applications.
>>>>
>>>> Well I don't know about RJH but in my case ,just as a mental challenge!
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> As mentioned elsewhere, open apps *seemed* to cause an issue with Sleep. I've
>> now just got into the habit, and insofar as such a thing is capable of
>> generating feeling, it 'feels' right :-)
>>
>>> That was useful to know. Only problem is I now have to restart
>>> everything :-)
>>
>> I don't find that's an issue - they seem to stay in RAM anyway.
>>
>
> I'd just experimented with it. Since it worked I had to re-open all the
> apps I had been using. Only 3 as it happened.

So do we now have a satisfactory explanation connected to powernap as to
why certain apps are not closing down? Will an immediate second attempt
always work? If so surely it shouldn’t be difficult to modify the
AppleScript to cater for this scenario.

--
Cheers, Alan

On Tuesday, 15 February 2022 at 20:33:51 UTC, nospam wrote:
> In article <suh2c5$5qc$1...@dont-email.me>, RJH <patch...@gmx.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>> I've been using an Applescript called QuitAll to close down apps with a
> > >>>> click
> > >>>> at the end of the day etc.
> > >>>
> > >>> why?
> > >>
> > >> I started doing it when the computer (a last-gen Intel iMac) wouldn't
> > >> sleep -
> > >> couldn't isolate the cause.
> > >
> > > quitting apps has no effect whatsoever on sleep.
> > >
> >
> > I have a feeling they might - Mail for example seems to keep on polling
> > whatever the settings. Even so . . .
> they don't.
>
> *some* apps will partially wake for minor tasks, known as power nap,
> then go back to sleep.
> <https://support.apple.com/my-mm/guide/mac-help/mh40773/mac>

I've found that sometimes my iMac will wake almost immediatly from my atempt to sleep it.
I think this is due to mouse sensativity to movement , but not sure if differnt apps poll the mouse differnently.
I've noticed this as I sleep it, and then as I rotate my office chair I knock my knee on the table leg
and the screen wakes up with the login prompt.
So it;s down to vibration or maybe the mouse USB lead tention or something.
Not a big problem for me, but annoying if I've gotton off the chair .

I think you set sleep to not wake when you move the mouse.