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* laptopMax
+* Re: laptopSylvia Else
|`* Re: laptopPhil Allison
| `* Re: laptopMax
|  `* Re: laptopRod Speed
|   +* Re: laptopSylvia Else
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|   |`- Re: laptopPhil Allison
|   `* Re: laptopMax
|    `* Re: laptopRod Speed
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 by: Max - Fri, 24 Jun 2022 00:26 UTC

If I have dropped my HP laptop on the floor, and now the sound doesn't
work, could I get it fixed on warranty?

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 by: Sylvia Else - Fri, 24 Jun 2022 02:39 UTC

On 24-June-22 10:26 am, Max wrote:
> If I have dropped my HP laptop on the floor, and now the sound doesn't
> work, could I get it fixed on warranty?

No. Warranty doesn't dropping things on the floor.

Sylvia.

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 by: Phil Allison - Fri, 24 Jun 2022 03:12 UTC

Sylvia Else wrote:
================
Max the LIAR wrote:
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>
> > If I have dropped my HP laptop on the floor, and now the sound doesn't
> > work, could I get it fixed on warranty?
>
> No. Warranty doesn't dropping things on the floor.
>

** It may, if you tell no-one.

FYI fraudulent warranty claims are VERY common.

....... Phil

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 by: Max - Fri, 24 Jun 2022 03:22 UTC

On 24/06/2022 1:12 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
> Sylvia Else wrote:
> ================
> Max the LIAR wrote:
> -------------------------
>>
>>> If I have dropped my HP laptop on the floor, and now the sound doesn't
>>> work, could I get it fixed on warranty?
>>
>> No. Warranty doesn't dropping things on the floor.
>>
>
> ** It may, if you tell no-one.
>
> FYI fraudulent warranty claims are VERY common.
>

What would be the likely chance of getting caught, and the punishment
for being caught?

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 by: Rod Speed - Fri, 24 Jun 2022 04:56 UTC

Max <max@val.morgan> wrote

> If I have dropped my HP laptop on the floor, and now thesound doesn't
> work, could I get it fixed on warranty?

Not if they are smart enough to notice the dent/cracked case etc.

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 by: Rod Speed - Fri, 24 Jun 2022 04:59 UTC

Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> Phil Allison wrote
>> Sylvia Else wrote
>> Max wrote

>>>> If I have dropped my HP laptop on the floor, and now thesound
>>>> doesn't work, could I get it fixed on warranty?

>>> No. Warranty doesn't dropping things on the floor.

>> It may, if you tell no-one.

>> FYI fraudulent warranty claims are VERY common.

Yeah, I actually killed one device electrically.

> What would be the likely chance of getting caught,

Very high with something dropped and damaged by the drop.

> and the punishment for being caught?

You get to pay for the repair or you don't get it back.

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 by: Sylvia Else - Fri, 24 Jun 2022 06:10 UTC

On 24-June-22 2:59 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>> Phil Allison wrote
>>> Sylvia Else wrote
>>> Max wrote
>
>>>>> If I have dropped my HP laptop on the floor, and now thesound
>>>>> doesn't   work, could I get it fixed on warranty?
>
>>>> No. Warranty doesn't dropping things on the floor.
>
>>>  It may,  if you tell no-one.
>
>>>  FYI   fraudulent warranty claims are VERY common.
>
> Yeah, I actually killed one device electrically.
>
>> What would be the likely chance of getting caught,
>
> Very high with something dropped and damaged by the drop.
>
>> and the punishment  for being caught?
>
> You get to pay for the repair or you don't get it back.

If they didn't realise the cause, repaired the laptop, and then
subsequently realised, I don't think they have grounds for refusing to
return the laptop. Repairer's lien wouldn't apply because there was
never a contract to repair.

They might have grounds to sue Max to recover the cost of the repair, if
Max had represented that the laptop had not been dropped, but I rather
doubt they'd bother.

Sylvia.

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 by: Trevor Wilson - Fri, 24 Jun 2022 06:36 UTC

On 24/06/2022 10:26 am, Max wrote:
> If I have dropped my HP laptop on the floor, and now the sound doesn't
> work, could I get it fixed on warranty?

**Unlikely, but you never know. HP sends their laptops to Singapore for
warranty repair work.

I purchased a new HP i7 lappy for $1,700.00 in September 2018. On the
23rd of December, 2018, a lightning strike hit a 20 Metre tree in my
front yard. Tracer/s likely hit one or both of the phases of my 240VAC
mains supply. I lost:

* 2 X 70 Amp 'service fuses' (can only be replaced by a level 2
electrician).
* My off-peak electricity meter (old school bakelite type) blew apart.
* My Telephone.
* 2 X TV sets.
* Modem.
* Laser printer.
* My beautiful new HP laptop.
* Electric garage door opener.
A few other things.

Everything was replaced by my insurance company. Including the HP
laptop. I asked the assessor what I should do with the busted stuff. He
told me to dispose of it any way I thought appropriate.

I couldn't bear to chuck my HP lappy, despite having a brand new (and
slightly better) replacement. It sat on the shelf for a few months. I
called up HP and told that my lappy didn't work. They checked the serial
number, asked me to pack it securely and that a courier would call by on
the following Monday to collect it. 10 days later, my lightning damaged
HP laptop was returned to me at no charge.

So, I say: Give it a try. You never know.

--
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 by: Max - Fri, 24 Jun 2022 07:19 UTC

On 24/06/2022 4:10 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 24-June-22 2:59 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>> Phil Allison wrote
>>>> Sylvia Else wrote
>>>> Max wrote
>>
>>>>>> If I have dropped my HP laptop on the floor, and now thesound
>>>>>> doesn't   work, could I get it fixed on warranty?
>>
>>>>> No. Warranty doesn't dropping things on the floor.
>>
>>>>  It may,  if you tell no-one.
>>
>>>>  FYI   fraudulent warranty claims are VERY common.
>>
>> Yeah, I actually killed one device electrically.
>>
>>> What would be the likely chance of getting caught,
>>
>> Very high with something dropped and damaged by the drop.
>>
>>> and the punishment  for being caught?
>>
>> You get to pay for the repair or you don't get it back.
>
> If they didn't realise the cause, repaired the laptop, and then
> subsequently realised, I don't think they have grounds for refusing to
> return the laptop. Repairer's lien wouldn't apply because there was
> never a contract to repair.
>
> They might have grounds to sue Max to recover the cost of the repair, if
> Max had represented that the laptop had not been dropped, but I rather
> doubt they'd bother.
>

I was more worried about criminal charges. I don't care if they make me
pay of something in civil law.

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 by: Max - Fri, 24 Jun 2022 07:25 UTC

On 24/06/2022 2:59 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>> Phil Allison wrote
>>> Sylvia Else wrote
>>> Max wrote
>
>>>>> If I have dropped my HP laptop on the floor, and now thesound
>>>>> doesn't   work, could I get it fixed on warranty?
>
>>>> No. Warranty doesn't dropping things on the floor.
>
>>>  It may,  if you tell no-one.
>
>>>  FYI   fraudulent warranty claims are VERY common.
>
> Yeah, I actually killed one device electrically.
>
>> What would be the likely chance of getting caught,
>
> Very high with something dropped and damaged by the drop.
>
>> and the punishment  for being caught?
>
> You get to pay for the repair or you don't get it back.

If they asked me if it had been dropped or damaged and I said 'No',
surely that would be fraud on my part if they then fixed it for free.

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 by: Rod Speed - Fri, 24 Jun 2022 09:50 UTC

Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>> Phil Allison wrote
>>>> Sylvia Else wrote
>>>> Max wrote

>>>>>> If I have dropped my HP laptop on the floor, and now the
>>>>>> sound doesn't work, could I get it fixed on warranty?

>>>>> No. Warranty doesn't dropping things on the floor.

>>>> It may, if you tell no-one.

>>>> FYI fraudulent warranty claims are VERY common.

>> Yeah, I actually killed one device electrically.

>>> What would be the likely chance of getting caught,

>> Very high with something dropped and damaged by the drop.

>>> and the punishment for being caught?

>> You get to pay for the repair or you don't get it back.

> If they didn't realise the cause, repaired the laptop, and then
> subsequently realised, I don't think they have grounds for refusing to
> return the laptop.

Corse they do when the evidence of it having been dropped
is only obvious when the laptop has been disassembled with
the intention of replacing the failed speaker or the speaker
amp and discovered that the motherboard had been cracked
by the drop etc.

> Repairer's lien wouldn't apply because there was never a contract to
> repair.

That is mindless bullshit too given that the owner of the laptop got
them to fix the sound problem knowing that it was broken when the
laptop was dropped and that the warranty doesnt cover that.

> They might have grounds to sue Max to recover the cost of the repair, if
> Max had represented that the laptop had not been dropped, but I rather
> doubt they'd bother.

Much more likely that they would just tell the owner that the laptop
had been dropped and that for that reason the warranty did not
cover the cost of the repair and that the owner wouldn't be getting
the laptop back unless they paid for the cost of the repair and leave
the owner to try and fail to get anyone to force the repairer to hand
the laptop back without any payment being made.

Or if they discovered that the reason for the failure of the sound
was due to the drop after disassembly and asked the owner if
they wanted to pay for a new motherboard etc or even just the
cost of the dissassembly, plugging the speaker cable back in
again and reassembly, they are still legally within their rights
of not handing back the laptop in pieces, the cost of dissassembly,

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 by: Rod Speed - Fri, 24 Jun 2022 09:53 UTC

Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>> Phil Allison wrote
>>>> Sylvia Else wrote
>>>> Max wrote

>>>>>> If I have dropped my HP laptop on the floor, and now thesound
>>>>>> doesn't work, could I get it fixed on warranty?

>>>>> No. Warranty doesn't dropping things on the floor.

>>>> It may, if you tell no-one.

>>>> FYI fraudulent warranty claims are VERY common.

>> Yeah, I actually killed one device electrically.

On purpose, to excercise the warranty claim.

>>> What would be the likely chance of getting caught,

>> Very high with something dropped and damaged by the drop.

>>> and the punishment for being caught?

>> You get to pay for the repair or you don't get it back.

> If they asked me if it had been dropped or damaged and I said 'No',
> surely that would be fraud on my part if they then fixed it for free.

Not necessarily if someone else in the household or a cleaner
etc had dropped it and didn't tell you that they had dropped it.

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 by: Trevor Wilson - Fri, 24 Jun 2022 09:57 UTC

On 24/06/2022 4:36 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
10 days later, my lightning damaged
> HP laptop was returned to me at no charge.

**Should read:

"10 days later, my lightning damaged HP laptop was returned to me,
repaired to new condition (including a wiped SSD and hard drive) at no
charge."

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 by: keithr0 - Fri, 24 Jun 2022 12:34 UTC

On 24/06/2022 7:57 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 24/06/2022 4:36 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>  10 days later, my lightning damaged
>> HP laptop was returned to me at no charge.
>
> **Should read:
>
> "10 days later, my lightning damaged HP laptop was returned to me,
> repaired to new condition (including a wiped SSD and hard drive) at no
> charge."
>
When I was fixing stuff in Brisbane long ago, a guy sent in his fax
machine, the telephone line that it was attached to had been struck by
lightning. After changing the line interface board and the thing was
still not working, it was obvious that the whole thing was cactus. When
I rang him up and told him that it was irrepairable and to get on to his
insurance company, he gave me a mouthful of attitude that he had only
bought a machine from our company because they were supposed to be
reliable and he wouldn't be buying anything from us again. Some people
have rather extreme expectations.

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 by: Phil Allison - Fri, 24 Jun 2022 13:03 UTC

Sylvia Else wrote more insane nonsense :
=================================
>
> >
> > You get to pay for the repair or you don't get it back.
>
> If they didn't realise the cause, repaired the laptop, and then
> subsequently realised, I don't think they have grounds for refusing to
> return the laptop. Repairer's lien wouldn't apply because there was
> never a contract to repair.
>

** First off - customers may "claim" warranty when items are taken for repair.
Such claims first need to be *assessed* by the repairer, who is usually working sub contract and for a fixed fee.
So they are inclined to do the work regardless and get paid by the maker/importer.
Denying warranty results in an unhappy customer who may not agree to any repair work being done.
FYI:
Visible damage and other signs of abuse or misuse are usually spotted very quickly - putting the repairer in tough position.
Do you protect the interests of the maker/importer by denying warranty OR hope to win a new and grateful customer ?
Doing warranty repair work is a PITA minefield.

I refuse to do it.

....... Phil

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 by: Max - Sat, 25 Jun 2022 00:21 UTC

On 24/06/2022 10:34 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 24/06/2022 7:57 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 24/06/2022 4:36 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>   10 days later, my lightning damaged
>>> HP laptop was returned to me at no charge.
>>
>> **Should read:
>>
>> "10 days later, my lightning damaged HP laptop was returned to me,
>> repaired to new condition (including a wiped SSD and hard drive) at no
>> charge."
>>
> When I was fixing stuff in Brisbane long ago, a guy sent in his fax
> machine, the telephone line that it was attached to had been struck by
> lightning. After changing the line interface board and the thing was
> still not working, it was obvious that the whole thing was cactus. When
> I rang him up and told him that it was irrepairable and to get on to his
> insurance company, he gave me a mouthful of attitude that he had only
> bought a machine from our company because they were supposed to be
> reliable  and he wouldn't be buying anything from us again. Some people
> have rather extreme expectations.

You should have sold him a machine that was resistant to lightning strikes.

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 by: Sylvia Else - Sat, 25 Jun 2022 03:10 UTC

On 25-June-22 10:21 am, Max wrote:
> On 24/06/2022 10:34 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 24/06/2022 7:57 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 24/06/2022 4:36 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>   10 days later, my lightning damaged
>>>> HP laptop was returned to me at no charge.
>>>
>>> **Should read:
>>>
>>> "10 days later, my lightning damaged HP laptop was returned to me,
>>> repaired to new condition (including a wiped SSD and hard drive) at
>>> no charge."
>>>
>> When I was fixing stuff in Brisbane long ago, a guy sent in his fax
>> machine, the telephone line that it was attached to had been struck by
>> lightning. After changing the line interface board and the thing was
>> still not working, it was obvious that the whole thing was cactus.
>> When I rang him up and told him that it was irrepairable and to get on
>> to his insurance company, he gave me a mouthful of attitude that he
>> had only bought a machine from our company because they were supposed
>> to be reliable  and he wouldn't be buying anything from us again. Some
>> people have rather extreme expectations.
>
> You should have sold him a machine that was resistant to lightning strikes.

It's a big ask. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it would certainly
increase the cost.

In any case, it's better to protect at the incoming phone line,
otherwise the equipment may survive, but not the user.

Sylvia.

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 by: Max - Sat, 25 Jun 2022 06:44 UTC

On 24/06/2022 7:53 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>> Phil Allison wrote
>>>>> Sylvia Else wrote
>>>>> Max wrote
>
>>>>>>> If I have dropped my HP laptop on the floor, and now thesound
>>>>>>> doesn't   work, could I get it fixed on warranty?
>
>>>>>> No. Warranty doesn't dropping things on the floor.
>
>>>>>  It may,  if you tell no-one.
>
>>>>>  FYI   fraudulent warranty claims are VERY common.
>
>>>  Yeah, I actually killed one device electrically.
>
> On purpose, to excercise the warranty claim.
>
>>>> What would be the likely chance of getting caught,
>
>>>  Very high with something dropped and damaged by the drop.
>
>>>> and the punishment  for being caught?
>
>>>  You get to pay for the repair or you don't get it back.
>
>> If they asked me if it had been dropped or damaged and I said 'No',
>> surely that would be fraud on my part if they then fixed it for free.
>
> Not necessarily if someone else in the household or a cleaner
> etc had dropped it and didn't tell you that they had dropped it.

I don't mind sending it back to see what do they do. '

If they just decide to send it back to me, claiming that it has clearly
been dropped or damaged by me, then I don't mind that.

What I don't want is them to refer to police for fraud investigation.

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 by: Trevor Wilson - Sat, 25 Jun 2022 07:09 UTC

On 25/06/2022 10:21 am, Max wrote:
> On 24/06/2022 10:34 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 24/06/2022 7:57 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 24/06/2022 4:36 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>   10 days later, my lightning damaged
>>>> HP laptop was returned to me at no charge.
>>>
>>> **Should read:
>>>
>>> "10 days later, my lightning damaged HP laptop was returned to me,
>>> repaired to new condition (including a wiped SSD and hard drive) at
>>> no charge."
>>>
>> When I was fixing stuff in Brisbane long ago, a guy sent in his fax
>> machine, the telephone line that it was attached to had been struck by
>> lightning. After changing the line interface board and the thing was
>> still not working, it was obvious that the whole thing was cactus.
>> When I rang him up and told him that it was irrepairable and to get on
>> to his insurance company, he gave me a mouthful of attitude that he
>> had only bought a machine from our company because they were supposed
>> to be reliable  and he wouldn't be buying anything from us again. Some
>> people have rather extreme expectations.
>
> You should have sold him a machine that was resistant to lightning strikes.

**Yeah, right.

This is what happens when lightning hits the earth:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulgurite

And trees:

https://www.scienceabc.com/nature/tree-struck-by-lightning.html

The energy released by a lightning strike is huge. Nothing humans have
devised can deal with such a strike. Particularly those dinky little
protection boards for domestic appliances. They MAY help with the odd,
small surge, but a direct lightning strike on a power line - Not a
snowball's chance in Hell.

The lightning that hit my power line was likely a 'tracer' which
contains a minute fraction of the energy of a direct strike, yet it
caused my off-peak meter to explode.

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 by: Rod Speed - Sat, 25 Jun 2022 09:05 UTC

Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>> Phil Allison wrote
>>>>>> Sylvia Else wrote
>>>>>> Max wrote

>>>>>>>> If I have dropped my HP laptop on the floor, and now thesound
>>>>>>>> doesn't work, could I get it fixed on warranty?

>>>>>>> No. Warranty doesn't dropping things on the floor.

>>>>>> It may, if you tell no-one.

>>>>>> FYI fraudulent warranty claims are VERY common.

>>>> Yeah, I actually killed one device electrically.

>> On purpose, to excercise the warranty claim.

>>>>> What would be the likely chance of getting caught,

>>>> Very high with something dropped and damaged by the drop.

>>>>> and the punishment for being caught?

>>>> You get to pay for the repair or you don't get it back.

>>> If they asked me if it had been dropped or damaged and I said 'No',
>>> surely that would be fraud on my part if they then fixed it for free.

>> Not necessarily if someone else in the household or a cleaner
>> etc had dropped it and didn't tell you that they had dropped it.

> I don't mind sending it back to see what do they do. '

> If they just decide to send it back to me, claiming that it has clearly
> been dropped or damaged by me, then I don't mind that.

> What I don't want is them to refer to police for fraud investigation.

That's not going to happen and even if they did, the cops would just
kick the shit out of you and dump the corpse in a sulo bin anyway.

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 by: Rod Speed - Sat, 25 Jun 2022 09:10 UTC

On Sat, 25 Jun 2022 17:09:33 +1000, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

> On 25/06/2022 10:21 am, Max wrote:
>> On 24/06/2022 10:34 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 24/06/2022 7:57 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 24/06/2022 4:36 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> 10 days later, my lightning damaged
>>>>> HP laptop was returned to me at no charge.
>>>>
>>>> **Should read:
>>>>
>>>> "10 days later, my lightning damaged HP laptop was returned to me,
>>>> repaired to new condition (including a wiped SSD and hard drive) at
>>>> no charge."
>>>>
>>> When I was fixing stuff in Brisbane long ago, a guy sent in his fax
>>> machine, the telephone line that it was attached to had been struck by
>>> lightning. After changing the line interface board and the thing was
>>> still not working, it was obvious that the whole thing was cactus.
>>> When I rang him up and told him that it was irrepairable and to get on
>>> to his insurance company, he gave me a mouthful of attitude that he
>>> had only bought a machine from our company because they were supposed
>>> to be reliable and he wouldn't be buying anything from us again. Some
>>> people have rather extreme expectations.
>> You should have sold him a machine that was resistant to lightning
>> strikes.
>
> **Yeah, right.
>
> This is what happens when lightning hits the earth:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulgurite
>
> And trees:
>
> https://www.scienceabc.com/nature/tree-struck-by-lightning.html

> The energy released by a lightning strike is huge. Nothinghumans have
> devised can deal with such a strike.

That is just plain wrong. TV transmission towers handle it fine.

> Particularly those dinky little protection boards for domestic
> appliances. They MAY help with the odd, small surge, but a direct
> lightning strike on a power line - Not a snowball's chance in Hell.

> The lightning that hit my power line was likely a 'tracer' which
> contains a minute fraction of the energy of a direct strike, yet it
> caused my off-peak meter to explode.

I was getting pissed with mates of mine in a big verandah of an
old house with a metal roof and his long wire antenna on a very
soggy late afternoon with big trees around the house.

One hell of a bang with a direct lightening strike.

No significant damage at all.

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 by: Trevor Wilson - Sat, 25 Jun 2022 09:26 UTC

On 25/06/2022 7:10 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Jun 2022 17:09:33 +1000, Trevor Wilson
> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>
>> On 25/06/2022 10:21 am, Max wrote:
>>> On 24/06/2022 10:34 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 24/06/2022 7:57 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 24/06/2022 4:36 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>   10 days later, my lightning damaged
>>>>>> HP laptop was returned to me at no charge.
>>>>>
>>>>> **Should read:
>>>>>
>>>>> "10 days later, my lightning damaged HP laptop was returned to me,
>>>>> repaired to new condition (including a wiped SSD and hard drive) at
>>>>> no charge."
>>>>>
>>>> When I was fixing stuff in Brisbane long ago, a guy sent in his fax
>>>> machine, the telephone line that it was attached to had been struck
>>>> by lightning. After changing the line interface board and the thing
>>>> was still not working, it was obvious that the whole thing was
>>>> cactus. When I rang him up and told him that it was irrepairable and
>>>> to get on to his insurance company, he gave me a mouthful of
>>>> attitude that he had only bought a machine from our company because
>>>> they were supposed to be reliable  and he wouldn't be buying
>>>> anything from us again. Some people have rather extreme expectations.
>>>  You should have sold him a machine that was resistant to lightning
>>> strikes.
>>
>> **Yeah, right.
>>
>> This is what happens when lightning hits the earth:
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulgurite
>>
>> And trees:
>>
>> https://www.scienceabc.com/nature/tree-struck-by-lightning.html
>
>> The energy released by a lightning strike is huge. Nothinghumans have
>> devised can deal with such a strike.
>
> That is just plain wrong. TV transmission towers handle it fine.

**And radio transmission systems. They do it, by accepting that a
lightning strike is inevitable. The entire tower and transmitter is
sited on a large, conductive mesh, buried in the ground. The strike
raises the entire system above ground potential for a few milliseconds,
then the energy drains away relatively slowly and hopefully, harmlessly.
No home or apartment block employs such construction techniques. Thus,
when lightning hits, damage ensues.

>
>> Particularly those dinky little protection boards for domestic
>> appliances. They MAY help with the odd, small surge, but a direct
>> lightning strike on a power line - Not a snowball's chance in Hell.
>
>> The lightning that hit my power line was likely a 'tracer' which
>> contains a minute fraction of the energy of a direct strike, yet it
>> caused my off-peak meter to explode.
>
> I was getting pissed with mates of mine in a big verandah of an
> old house with a metal roof and his long wire antenna on a very
> soggy late afternoon with big trees around the house.
>
> One hell of a bang with a direct lightening strike.
>
> No significant damage at all.

**OK. You can get real lucky. Or not.

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 by: Rod Speed - Sat, 25 Jun 2022 10:02 UTC

Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
> On 25/06/2022 7:10 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Sat, 25 Jun 2022 17:09:33 +1000, Trevor Wilson
>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> On 25/06/2022 10:21 am, Max wrote:
>>>> On 24/06/2022 10:34 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 24/06/2022 7:57 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 24/06/2022 4:36 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> 10 days later, my lightning damaged
>>>>>>> HP laptop was returned to me at no charge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Should read:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "10 days later, my lightning damaged HP laptop was returned to me,
>>>>>> repaired to new condition (including a wiped SSD and hard drive) at
>>>>>> no charge."
>>>>>>
>>>>> When I was fixing stuff in Brisbane long ago, a guy sent in his fax
>>>>> machine, the telephone line that it was attached to had been struck
>>>>> by lightning. After changing the line interface board and the thing
>>>>> was still not working, it was obvious that the whole thing was
>>>>> cactus. When I rang him up and told him that it was irrepairable and
>>>>> to get on to his insurance company, he gave me a mouthful of
>>>>> attitude that he had only bought a machine from our company because
>>>>> they were supposed to be reliable and he wouldn't be buying
>>>>> anything from us again. Some people have rather extreme expectations.
>>>> You should have sold him a machine that was resistant to lightning
>>>> strikes.
>>>
>>> **Yeah, right.
>>>
>>> This is what happens when lightning hits the earth:
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulgurite
>>>
>>> And trees:
>>>
>>> https://www.scienceabc.com/nature/tree-struck-by-lightning.html
>>
>>> The energy released by a lightning strike is huge. Nothinghumans have
>>> devised can deal with such a strike.
>> That is just plain wrong. TV transmission towers handle it fine.
>
> **And radio transmission systems. They do it, by accepting that a
> lightning strike is inevitable. The entire tower and transmitter is
> sited on a large, conductive mesh, buried in the ground.

Ours isn't. that isn't even possible given that its on the top of
a very rocky hill. And I know how it was done because a mate
of mine was the manager until he died.

> The strike raises the entire system above ground potential for a few
> milliseconds, then the energy drains away relatively slowly and
> hopefully, harmlessly.

That isn't the way mine is done.

> No home or apartment block employs such construction techniques. Thus,
> when lightning hits, damage ensues.

It didn't with the mate of mine below.

>>> Particularly those dinky little protection boards for domestic
>>> appliances. They MAY help with the odd, small surge, but a direct
>>> lightning strike on a power line - Not a snowball's chance in Hell.
>>
>>> The lightning that hit my power line was likely a 'tracer' which
>>> contains a minute fraction of the energy of a direct strike, yet it
>>> caused my off-peak meter to explode.
>> I was getting pissed with mates of mine in a big verandah of an
>> old house with a metal roof and his long wire antenna on a very
>> soggy late afternoon with big trees around the house.
>> One hell of a bang with a direct lightening strike.
>> No significant damage at all.

> OK. You can get real lucky. Or not.

So your original was just plain wrong, as always.

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 by: Phil Allison - Sat, 25 Jun 2022 12:58 UTC

Trevor Wilson wrote:
=================
>
> >> The energy released by a lightning strike is huge. Nothinghumans have
> >> devised can deal with such a strike.
> >
> > That is just plain wrong. TV transmission towers handle it fine.
<<

> **And radio transmission systems. They do it, by accepting that a
> lightning strike is inevitable. The entire tower and transmitter is
> sited on a large, conductive mesh, buried in the ground.
>

** Forget it - Trev.

The raving loon Rodbot troll is NO respecter of fact, context or common sense.
The PITA pig lives in a rural backwater of NSW - so a maybe massive great bolt will get him soon enough.

Lets all live in hope.
Splat.....

....... Phil

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 by: Yosemite Sam - Sat, 25 Jun 2022 14:28 UTC

On 24/06/2022 7:57 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 24/06/2022 4:36 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>  10 days later, my lightning damaged
>> HP laptop was returned to me at no charge.
>
> **Should read:
>
> "10 days later, my lightning damaged HP laptop was returned to me,
> repaired to new condition (including a wiped SSD and hard drive) at no
> charge."
>

of course you rang the insurance company and offered to pay the cost of
the one they supplied..

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