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 by: David Kennedy - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 07:37 UTC

I know this is well off topic but, as the Government don't seem to have a clue...

https://chng.it/m5rQMVhrN5

And my apologies for getting serious for a moment.

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 by: David Kennedy - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 07:47 UTC

On 25/02/2022 07:37, David Kennedy wrote:
> I know this is well off topic but, as the Government don't seem to have a clue...
>
> https://chng.it/m5rQMVhrN5
>
> And my apologies for getting serious for a moment.

For those of you who don't click on unidentified links, it's a petition to
sanction Russia properly.

I tried to petition Parliament directly but was informed that they would
review the petition and let me know within 14 days...

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 by: Alan B - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 08:25 UTC

David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 25/02/2022 07:37, David Kennedy wrote:
>> I know this is well off topic but, as the Government don't seem to have a clue...
>>
>> https://chng.it/m5rQMVhrN5
>>
>> And my apologies for getting serious for a moment.
>
> For those of you who don't click on unidentified links, it's a petition to
> sanction Russia properly.
>
> I tried to petition Parliament directly but was informed that they would
> review the petition and let me know within 14 days...
>

Done. I can’t see them withdrawing any time soon though, at least while
Putin remains in charge. My other fear is: where next?

--
Cheers, Alan

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 by: TimS - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 08:38 UTC

On 25 Feb 2022 at 08:25:46 GMT, Alan B
<alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> wrote:

> David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 25/02/2022 07:37, David Kennedy wrote:
>>> I know this is well off topic but, as the Government don't seem to have a clue...
>>>
>>> https://chng.it/m5rQMVhrN5
>>>
>>> And my apologies for getting serious for a moment.
>>
>> For those of you who don't click on unidentified links, it's a petition to
>> sanction Russia properly.
>>
>> I tried to petition Parliament directly but was informed that they would
>> review the petition and let me know within 14 days...
>
> Done. I can’t see them withdrawing any time soon though, at least while
> Putin remains in charge. My other fear is: where next?

The Baltic states.

--
Tim

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 by: Alan B - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 08:56 UTC

TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> On 25 Feb 2022 at 08:25:46 GMT, Alan B
> <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> wrote:
>
>> David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 25/02/2022 07:37, David Kennedy wrote:
>>>> I know this is well off topic but, as the Government don't seem to have a clue...
>>>>
>>>> https://chng.it/m5rQMVhrN5
>>>>
>>>> And my apologies for getting serious for a moment.
>>>
>>> For those of you who don't click on unidentified links, it's a petition to
>>> sanction Russia properly.
>>>
>>> I tried to petition Parliament directly but was informed that they would
>>> review the petition and let me know within 14 days...
>>
>> Done. I can’t see them withdrawing any time soon though, at least while
>> Putin remains in charge. My other fear is: where next?
>
> The Baltic states.

Now that really would kick off WW3 as all 3 are in NATO and the EU.

--
Cheers, Alan

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 by: David Kennedy - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 09:06 UTC

On 25/02/2022 08:25, Alan B wrote:
> David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 25/02/2022 07:37, David Kennedy wrote:
>>> I know this is well off topic but, as the Government don't seem to have a clue...
>>>
>>> https://chng.it/m5rQMVhrN5
>>>
>>> And my apologies for getting serious for a moment.
>>
>> For those of you who don't click on unidentified links, it's a petition to
>> sanction Russia properly.
>>
>> I tried to petition Parliament directly but was informed that they would
>> review the petition and let me know within 14 days...
>>
>
> Done. I can’t see them withdrawing any time soon though, at least while
> Putin remains in charge. My other fear is: where next?
>
Well, good question.

Interesting that Putin listened to the Chinese request to hold off until after
the Olympics...

I think that there are two factors, firstly they got away with annexing Crimea
and thought they could do it again; and secondly the idea was straight out of
Hitler's play book, shock attack across Ukraine, neutralise the armed forces,
capture the Parliament building and hey presto. Fortunately that seems to have
failed and it looks as if we are in for the long haul. Putin just hates to
look a prat.

Also, the Chinese - who have failed to condemn Putin - will be watching to
see what they can expect when they try the same with Taiwan.

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 by: David Kennedy - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 09:08 UTC

On 25/02/2022 08:56, Alan B wrote:
> TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> On 25 Feb 2022 at 08:25:46 GMT, Alan B
>> <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> wrote:
>>
>>> David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 25/02/2022 07:37, David Kennedy wrote:
>>>>> I know this is well off topic but, as the Government don't seem to have a clue...
>>>>>
>>>>> https://chng.it/m5rQMVhrN5
>>>>>
>>>>> And my apologies for getting serious for a moment.
>>>>
>>>> For those of you who don't click on unidentified links, it's a petition to
>>>> sanction Russia properly.
>>>>
>>>> I tried to petition Parliament directly but was informed that they would
>>>> review the petition and let me know within 14 days...
>>>
>>> Done. I can’t see them withdrawing any time soon though, at least while
>>> Putin remains in charge. My other fear is: where next?
>>
>> The Baltic states.
>
> Now that really would kick off WW3 as all 3 are in NATO and the EU.
>
Everyone is pussyfooting around Germany who are obstructing EU sanctions and
the longer they do the worse it will eventually be.

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 by: David Kennedy - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 09:09 UTC

On 25/02/2022 09:08, David Kennedy wrote:
> On 25/02/2022 08:56, Alan B wrote:
>> TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>> On 25 Feb 2022 at 08:25:46 GMT, Alan B
>>> <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> wrote:
>>>
>>>> David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 25/02/2022 07:37, David Kennedy wrote:
>>>>>> I know this is well off topic but, as the Government don't seem to have
>>>>>> a clue...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://chng.it/m5rQMVhrN5
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And my apologies for getting serious for a moment.
>>>>>
>>>>> For those of you who don't click on unidentified links, it's a petition to
>>>>> sanction Russia properly.
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried to petition Parliament directly but was informed that they would
>>>>> review the petition and let me know within 14 days...
>>>>
>>>> Done. I can’t see them withdrawing any time soon though, at least while
>>>> Putin remains in charge. My other fear is: where next?
>>>
>>> The Baltic states.
>>
>> Now that really would kick off WW3 as all 3 are in NATO and the EU.
>>
> Everyone is pussyfooting around Germany who are obstructing EU sanctions and
> the longer they do the worse it will eventually be.

If only someone would blow up nordstream...

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 by: David Brooks - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 09:10 UTC

On 25/02/2022 07:47, David Kennedy wrote:
> On 25/02/2022 07:37, David Kennedy wrote:
>> I know this is well off topic but, as the Government don't seem to
>> have a clue...
>>
>> https://chng.it/m5rQMVhrN5
>>
>> And my apologies for getting serious for a moment.
>
> For those of you who don't click on unidentified links, it's a petition
> to sanction Russia properly.
>
> I tried to petition Parliament directly but was informed that they would
> review the petition and let me know within 14 days...

It also gives away where you live, David!

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 by: Alan B - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 09:15 UTC

David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 25/02/2022 09:08, David Kennedy wrote:
>> On 25/02/2022 08:56, Alan B wrote:
>>> TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>>> On 25 Feb 2022 at 08:25:46 GMT, Alan B
>>>> <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 25/02/2022 07:37, David Kennedy wrote:
>>>>>>> I know this is well off topic but, as the Government don't seem to have
>>>>>>> a clue...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://chng.it/m5rQMVhrN5
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And my apologies for getting serious for a moment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For those of you who don't click on unidentified links, it's a petition to
>>>>>> sanction Russia properly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I tried to petition Parliament directly but was informed that they would
>>>>>> review the petition and let me know within 14 days...
>>>>>
>>>>> Done. I can’t see them withdrawing any time soon though, at least while
>>>>> Putin remains in charge. My other fear is: where next?
>>>>
>>>> The Baltic states.
>>>
>>> Now that really would kick off WW3 as all 3 are in NATO and the EU.
>>>
>> Everyone is pussyfooting around Germany who are obstructing EU sanctions and
>> the longer they do the worse it will eventually be.
>
> If only someone would blow up nordstream...

It wouldn’t surprise me if the Americans did exactly that!

--
Cheers, Alan

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 by: David Kennedy - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 09:22 UTC

On 25/02/2022 09:15, Alan B wrote:
> David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 25/02/2022 09:08, David Kennedy wrote:
>>> On 25/02/2022 08:56, Alan B wrote:
>>>> TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 25 Feb 2022 at 08:25:46 GMT, Alan B
>>>>> <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 25/02/2022 07:37, David Kennedy wrote:
>>>>>>>> I know this is well off topic but, as the Government don't seem to have
>>>>>>>> a clue...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://chng.it/m5rQMVhrN5
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And my apologies for getting serious for a moment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For those of you who don't click on unidentified links, it's a petition to
>>>>>>> sanction Russia properly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I tried to petition Parliament directly but was informed that they would
>>>>>>> review the petition and let me know within 14 days...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Done. I can’t see them withdrawing any time soon though, at least while
>>>>>> Putin remains in charge. My other fear is: where next?
>>>>>
>>>>> The Baltic states.
>>>>
>>>> Now that really would kick off WW3 as all 3 are in NATO and the EU.
>>>>
>>> Everyone is pussyfooting around Germany who are obstructing EU sanctions and
>>> the longer they do the worse it will eventually be.
>>
>> If only someone would blow up nordstream...
>
> It wouldn’t surprise me if the Americans did exactly that!
>
Well, according to Farage, they started it anyway...

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 by: David Brooks - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 09:24 UTC

On 25/02/2022 09:15, Alan B wrote:
> David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 25/02/2022 09:08, David Kennedy wrote:
>>> On 25/02/2022 08:56, Alan B wrote:
>>>> TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 25 Feb 2022 at 08:25:46 GMT, Alan B
>>>>> <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 25/02/2022 07:37, David Kennedy wrote:
>>>>>>>> I know this is well off topic but, as the Government don't seem to have
>>>>>>>> a clue...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://chng.it/m5rQMVhrN5
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And my apologies for getting serious for a moment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For those of you who don't click on unidentified links, it's a petition to
>>>>>>> sanction Russia properly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I tried to petition Parliament directly but was informed that they would
>>>>>>> review the petition and let me know within 14 days...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Done. I can’t see them withdrawing any time soon though, at least while
>>>>>> Putin remains in charge. My other fear is: where next?
>>>>>
>>>>> The Baltic states.
>>>>
>>>> Now that really would kick off WW3 as all 3 are in NATO and the EU.
>>>>
>>> Everyone is pussyfooting around Germany who are obstructing EU sanctions and
>>> the longer they do the worse it will eventually be.
>>
>> If only someone would blow up nordstream...
>
> It wouldn’t surprise me if the Americans did exactly that!

Are you aware that you disclosed YOUR location too, Alan?

https://www.change.org/u/891095483

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 by: Liz Tuddenham - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 09:28 UTC

David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:

>... secondly the idea was straight out of
> Hitler's play book,

There are many parallels with Hitler:

A weak man pretending to be strong.

A belief that physical strength is the only means of getting your own
way.

Fulfilling a childhood ambition to suppress race/nationality.

Such a belief in his own cleverness that he over-rules his specialist
advisors. (Currently by waging war in the first place, but later, we
hope, by ignoring his strategists and making bad mistakes.)

A dictator who has blocked every legal way of removing him (leaving only
illegal methods, which desperate members of his entourage may eventually
resort to).

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www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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 by: Graham J - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 10:17 UTC

Liz Tuddenham wrote:
> David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ... secondly the idea was straight out of
>> Hitler's play book,
>
> There are many parallels with Hitler:
>

Don't you mean BoJo?

--
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 by: Alan B - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 10:23 UTC

Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
> Liz Tuddenham wrote:
>> David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ... secondly the idea was straight out of
>>> Hitler's play book,
>>
>> There are many parallels with Hitler:
>>
>
>
> Don't you mean BoJo?

I’m not allowed to refer to BJ by his given name when my oldest son is
around. To use it is a form of endearment and there’s nothing endearing
about Boris, sorry, Johnson!

--
Cheers, Alan

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 by: Liz Tuddenham - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 10:29 UTC

Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:

> Liz Tuddenham wrote:
> > David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> ... secondly the idea was straight out of
> >> Hitler's play book,
> >
> > There are many parallels with Hitler:
> >
>
>
> Don't you mean BoJo?

No.

I'm trying to learn what history can teach us about a serious
internatinal situation, not make cheap party political jibes.

--
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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 by: David Kennedy - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 10:44 UTC

On 25/02/2022 10:29, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
> Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Liz Tuddenham wrote:
>>> David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ... secondly the idea was straight out of
>>>> Hitler's play book,
>>>
>>> There are many parallels with Hitler:
>>>
>>
>>
>> Don't you mean BoJo?
>
> No.
>
> I'm trying to learn what history can teach us about a serious
> internatinal situation, not make cheap party political jibes.
>
Surely they're not mutually exclusive?

They are both weak people who try to change the rules as it suits.

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 by: David Brooks - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 11:41 UTC

On 25/02/2022 10:29, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
> Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Liz Tuddenham wrote:
>>> David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ... secondly the idea was straight out of
>>>> Hitler's play book,
>>>
>>> There are many parallels with Hitler:
>>>
>>
>>
>> Don't you mean BoJo?
>
> No.
>
> I'm trying to learn what history can teach us about a serious
> internatinal situation, not make cheap party political jibes.

Please advise your 'clever' friend that he has now told the Government
exactly where to find him!

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 by: TimS - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 11:57 UTC

On 25 Feb 2022 at 10:29:30 GMT, Liz Tuddenham <Liz Tuddenham> wrote:

> Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Liz Tuddenham wrote:
>>> David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ... secondly the idea was straight out of
>>>> Hitler's play book,
>>>
>>> There are many parallels with Hitler:
>>
>> Don't you mean BoJo?
>
> No.
>
> I'm trying to learn what history can teach us about a serious
> internatinal situation, not make cheap party political jibes.

Ah, so there's at least one sensible and aware person here who's not trying to
treat the situation as a huge joke. It was suggested on Today this a.m. that
Putin is behaving like most megalomaniacs and so it seems to me that if this
is the case then the Baltics are the next logical target. That would mean WW3.

--
Tim

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 by: David Kennedy - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 12:17 UTC

On 25/02/2022 11:57, TimS wrote:
> On 25 Feb 2022 at 10:29:30 GMT, Liz Tuddenham <Liz Tuddenham> wrote:
>
>> Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Liz Tuddenham wrote:
>>>> David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ... secondly the idea was straight out of
>>>>> Hitler's play book,
>>>>
>>>> There are many parallels with Hitler:
>>>
>>> Don't you mean BoJo?
>>
>> No.
>>
>> I'm trying to learn what history can teach us about a serious
>> internatinal situation, not make cheap party political jibes.
>
> Ah, so there's at least one sensible and aware person here who's not trying to
> treat the situation as a huge joke. It was suggested on Today this a.m. that
> Putin is behaving like most megalomaniacs and so it seems to me that if this
> is the case then the Baltics are the next logical target. That would mean WW3.
>
I don't really think that one comment [obviously made tongue in cheek] is
conclusive evidence that the whole thread is treating the situation as a joke.

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 by: Alan B - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 12:45 UTC

On 2022-02-25, TimS <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> On 25 Feb 2022 at 10:29:30 GMT, Liz Tuddenham <Liz Tuddenham> wrote:
>
>> Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Liz Tuddenham wrote:
>>>> David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ... secondly the idea was straight out of
>>>>> Hitler's play book,
>>>>
>>>> There are many parallels with Hitler:
>>>
>>> Don't you mean BoJo?
>>
>> No.
>>
>> I'm trying to learn what history can teach us about a serious
>> internatinal situation, not make cheap party political jibes.
>
> Ah, so there's at least one sensible and aware person here who's not trying to
> treat the situation as a huge joke. It was suggested on Today this a.m. that
> Putin is behaving like most megalomaniacs and so it seems to me that if this
> is the case then the Baltics are the next logical target. That would mean WW3.

I fear the worse for Moldova in the short term but agree any attack on
the Baltic states would mean WW3. Finland must also be concerned as
the Russians invaded them at the start of WW2 and only left in 1945.
It's inevitable that Ukraine will fall but if they can give the
Russians a very bloody nose, Putin might just think again about
further aggression.

--
Cheers, Alan

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 by: David Kennedy - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 12:46 UTC

On 25/02/2022 12:17, David Kennedy wrote:
> On 25/02/2022 11:57, TimS wrote:
>> On 25 Feb 2022 at 10:29:30 GMT, Liz Tuddenham <Liz Tuddenham> wrote:
>>
>>> Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Liz Tuddenham wrote:
>>>>> David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ... secondly the idea was straight out of
>>>>>> Hitler's play book,
>>>>>
>>>>> There are many parallels with Hitler:
>>>>
>>>> Don't you mean BoJo?
>>>
>>> No.
>>>
>>> I'm trying to learn what history can teach us about a serious
>>> internatinal situation, not make cheap party political jibes.
>>
>> Ah, so there's at least one sensible and aware person here who's not trying to
>> treat the situation as a huge joke. It was suggested on Today this a.m. that
>> Putin is behaving like most megalomaniacs and so it seems to me that if this
>> is the case then the Baltics are the next logical target. That would mean WW3.
>>
> I don't really think that one comment [obviously made tongue in cheek] is
> conclusive evidence that the whole thread is treating the situation as a joke.
>
>
And, if it is a serious situation, why the talk rather than action. I had
thought that a petition of this nature would have garnered at least some support

(I tried to start one on the government website but gave up after being
advised that they would need to review it before proceeding and that it would
take at least 5 [working] days but could take 14, before they would allow it
to go ahead.)

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 by: David Kennedy - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 12:54 UTC

On 25/02/2022 12:45, Alan B wrote:
>
> I fear the worse for Moldova in the short term but agree any attack on
> the Baltic states would mean WW3. Finland must also be concerned as
> the Russians invaded them at the start of WW2 and only left in 1945.
> It's inevitable that Ukraine will fall but if they can give the
> Russians a very bloody nose, Putin might just think again about
> further aggression.
>
According to the one o'clock news Putin wishes to liberate Ukraine and return
it to self governance...

Once he's in they'll not get him out again you only have to look at Crimea.

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 by: Liz Tuddenham - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 13:54 UTC

David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 25/02/2022 12:45, Alan B wrote:
> >
> > I fear the worse for Moldova in the short term but agree any attack on
> > the Baltic states would mean WW3. Finland must also be concerned as
> > the Russians invaded them at the start of WW2 and only left in 1945.
> > It's inevitable that Ukraine will fall but if they can give the
> > Russians a very bloody nose, Putin might just think again about
> > further aggression.
> >
> According to the one o'clock news Putin wishes to liberate Ukraine and return
> it to self governance...
>
> Once he's in they'll not get him out again you only have to look at Crimea.

If the cost to the Russian people (in money and lives) is too great,
they may take matters into their own hands. Remember, the majority
didn't vote for Putin.

--
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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 by: TimS - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 14:00 UTC

On 25 Feb 2022 at 13:54:27 GMT, Liz Tuddenham <Liz Tuddenham> wrote:

> David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 25/02/2022 12:45, Alan B wrote:
>>>
>>> I fear the worse for Moldova in the short term but agree any attack on
>>> the Baltic states would mean WW3. Finland must also be concerned as
>>> the Russians invaded them at the start of WW2 and only left in 1945.
>>> It's inevitable that Ukraine will fall but if they can give the
>>> Russians a very bloody nose, Putin might just think again about
>>> further aggression.
>>>
>> According to the one o'clock news Putin wishes to liberate Ukraine and return
>> it to self governance...
>>
>> Once he's in they'll not get him out again you only have to look at Crimea.
>
> If the cost to the Russian people (in money and lives) is too great,
> they may take matters into their own hands. Remember, the majority
> didn't vote for Putin.

There's always the post-occupation insurgency prospect.

--
Tim

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