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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Thu, 10 Mar 2022 15:27 UTC

A DRIVER who failed to stop at a roundabout crashed side-on into a cyclist and sent him flying over the handlebars of his bike onto the ground, a court heard.

Igors Kaluga (48) left the male cyclist with cuts to his knees, hands and waist following the collision.

Judge Dermot Dempsey fined Kaluga €350 and disqualified him from driving for two years.

The defendant, with an address at Castleview Heath in Swords, admitted dangerous driving at the R132 Seatown Road roundabout in Swords on March 16, 2021.

Garda Aidan Fogarty told Swords District Court that he was on mobile patrol when he was called to the scene of a road traffic accident.

He said that he later viewed dashcam footage. He said Kaluga was travelling on the inside lane of the R132, in the direction of Swords, whilst the cyclist was heading towards the Estuary Road.

Gda Fogarty said the cyclist was already on the roundabout when Kaluga entered the roundabout at speed and collided with the cyclist.

The cyclist was hit side-on, and he went flying over the handlebars of his bike before hitting the ground.

Gda Fogarty said the cyclist received lacerations and cuts to his knees, hands and waist. He was taken by ambulance to hospital where he was treated for his injuries. He had since made a full recovery.

The court heard that Kaluga had never been in trouble before.

Defence solicitor Fiona D’Arcy said this was an unfortunate situation caused by a momentary lapse in concentration by the defendant, who had not been expecting to see a a bike on the roundabout.

Ms D’Arcy said that happily no one was seriously hurt during the accident.

She said the defendant was a grandfather and was working as a driver. A driving ban would have a huge impact on his ability to provide for his family, the solicitor added. TOUGH

Recognisances were set for an appeal.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/dangerous-driver-48-failed-to-stop-at-roundabout-and-knocked-cyclist-over-handlebars-41430616.html

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 by: JNugent - Fri, 11 Mar 2022 00:44 UTC

On 10/03/2022 03:27 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> A DRIVER who failed to stop at a roundabout crashed side-on into a cyclist and sent him flying over the handlebars of his bike onto the ground, a court heard.
>
> Igors Kaluga (48) left the male cyclist with cuts to his knees, hands and waist following the collision.
>
> Judge Dermot Dempsey fined Kaluga €350 and disqualified him from driving for two years.
>
> The defendant, with an address at Castleview Heath in Swords, admitted dangerous driving at the R132 Seatown Road roundabout in Swords on March 16, 2021.
>
> Garda Aidan Fogarty told Swords District Court that he was on mobile patrol when he was called to the scene of a road traffic accident.
>
> He said that he later viewed dashcam footage. He said Kaluga was travelling on the inside lane of the R132, in the direction of Swords, whilst the cyclist was heading towards the Estuary Road.
>
> Gda Fogarty said the cyclist was already on the roundabout when Kaluga entered the roundabout at speed and collided with the cyclist.
>
> The cyclist was hit side-on, and he went flying over the handlebars of his bike before hitting the ground.
>
> Gda Fogarty said the cyclist received lacerations and cuts to his knees, hands and waist. He was taken by ambulance to hospital where he was treated for his injuries. He had since made a full recovery.
>
> The court heard that Kaluga had never been in trouble before.
>
> Defence solicitor Fiona D’Arcy said this was an unfortunate situation caused by a momentary lapse in concentration by the defendant, who had not been expecting to see a a bike on the roundabout.
>
> Ms D’Arcy said that happily no one was seriously hurt during the accident.
>
> She said the defendant was a grandfather and was working as a driver. A driving ban would have a huge impact on his ability to provide for his family, the solicitor added. TOUGH
>
> Recognisances were set for an appeal.
>
> https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/dangerous-driver-48-failed-to-stop-at-roundabout-and-knocked-cyclist-over-handlebars-41430616.html

Perhaps traffic legislation is very different in Ireland, but "admitted
*dangerous* driving"?

Really?

In the UK that collision - as described - would be a careless driving
summons, because "...a momentary lapse in concentration by the
defendant" would be nowhere near bad enough for a dangerous driving charge

Was the defendant not advised on how to plead?

Still, there's an appeal in the offing.

AN IRISH DRIVER <rest snipped>

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 by: Spike - Fri, 11 Mar 2022 09:27 UTC

On 10/03/2022 15:27, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> AN IRISH DRIVER
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 by: Spike - Fri, 11 Mar 2022 09:31 UTC

On 11/03/2022 00:44, JNugent wrote:
> On 10/03/2022 03:27 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

>> A DRIVER who failed to stop at a roundabout crashed side-on into a cyclist and sent him flying over the handlebars of his bike onto the ground, a court heard.

>> Igors Kaluga (48) left the male cyclist with cuts to his knees, hands and waist following the collision.

>> Judge Dermot Dempsey fined Kaluga €350 and disqualified him from driving for two years.

> Really?

> In the UK that collision - as described - would be a careless driving
> summons, because "...a momentary lapse in concentration by the
> defendant" would be nowhere near bad enough for a dangerous driving charge

> Was the defendant not advised on how to plead?

> Still, there's an appeal in the offing.

If the appeal is successful, will that be on road.cc?

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 by: Mike Collins - Fri, 11 Mar 2022 09:41 UTC

On Friday, 11 March 2022 at 00:44:28 UTC, JNugent wrote:
> On 10/03/2022 03:27 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > A DRIVER who failed to stop at a roundabout crashed side-on into a cyclist and sent him flying over the handlebars of his bike onto the ground, a court heard.
> >
> > Igors Kaluga (48) left the male cyclist with cuts to his knees, hands and waist following the collision.
> >
> > Judge Dermot Dempsey fined Kaluga €350 and disqualified him from driving for two years.
> >
> > The defendant, with an address at Castleview Heath in Swords, admitted dangerous driving at the R132 Seatown Road roundabout in Swords on March 16, 2021.
> >
> > Garda Aidan Fogarty told Swords District Court that he was on mobile patrol when he was called to the scene of a road traffic accident.
> >
> > He said that he later viewed dashcam footage. He said Kaluga was travelling on the inside lane of the R132, in the direction of Swords, whilst the cyclist was heading towards the Estuary Road.
> >
> > Gda Fogarty said the cyclist was already on the roundabout when Kaluga entered the roundabout at speed and collided with the cyclist.
> >
> > The cyclist was hit side-on, and he went flying over the handlebars of his bike before hitting the ground.
> >
> > Gda Fogarty said the cyclist received lacerations and cuts to his knees, hands and waist. He was taken by ambulance to hospital where he was treated for his injuries. He had since made a full recovery.
> >
> > The court heard that Kaluga had never been in trouble before.
> >
> > Defence solicitor Fiona D’Arcy said this was an unfortunate situation caused by a momentary lapse in concentration by the defendant, who had not been expecting to see a a bike on the roundabout.
> >
> > Ms D’Arcy said that happily no one was seriously hurt during the accident.
> >
> > She said the defendant was a grandfather and was working as a driver. A driving ban would have a huge impact on his ability to provide for his family, the solicitor added. TOUGH
> >
> > Recognisances were set for an appeal.
> >
> > https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/dangerous-driver-48-failed-to-stop-at-roundabout-and-knocked-cyclist-over-handlebars-41430616.html
> Perhaps traffic legislation is very different in Ireland, but "admitted
> *dangerous* driving"?
>
> Really?
>
> In the UK that collision - as described - would be a careless driving
> summons, because "...a momentary lapse in concentration by the
> defendant" would be nowhere near bad enough for a dangerous driving charge
>
> Was the defendant not advised on how to plead?
>
> Still, there's an appeal in the offing.

If you want to murder someone use a car, that way you can claim it was just 'a momentary lapse in concentration'.
Why do we allow such dangerous machinery on our roads when 'a momentary lapse in concentration' can have such tragic consequences? No form of transport is 100% safe but there are alternatives that put other road users at minimal risk.

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Fri, 11 Mar 2022 11:35 UTC

On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 9:41:25 AM UTC, Mike Collins wrote:

> If you want to murder someone use a car, that way you can claim it was just 'a momentary lapse in concentration'.

Or get Mr Arsehole to say that you were blinded by the Sun.

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 by: JNugent - Fri, 11 Mar 2022 13:00 UTC

On 11/03/2022 09:41 am, Mike Collins wrote:
> On Friday, 11 March 2022 at 00:44:28 UTC, JNugent wrote:
>> On 10/03/2022 03:27 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> A DRIVER who failed to stop at a roundabout crashed side-on into a cyclist and sent him flying over the handlebars of his bike onto the ground, a court heard.
>>>
>>> Igors Kaluga (48) left the male cyclist with cuts to his knees, hands and waist following the collision.
>>>
>>> Judge Dermot Dempsey fined Kaluga €350 and disqualified him from driving for two years.
>>>
>>> The defendant, with an address at Castleview Heath in Swords, admitted dangerous driving at the R132 Seatown Road roundabout in Swords on March 16, 2021.
>>>
>>> Garda Aidan Fogarty told Swords District Court that he was on mobile patrol when he was called to the scene of a road traffic accident.
>>>
>>> He said that he later viewed dashcam footage. He said Kaluga was travelling on the inside lane of the R132, in the direction of Swords, whilst the cyclist was heading towards the Estuary Road.
>>>
>>> Gda Fogarty said the cyclist was already on the roundabout when Kaluga entered the roundabout at speed and collided with the cyclist.
>>>
>>> The cyclist was hit side-on, and he went flying over the handlebars of his bike before hitting the ground.
>>>
>>> Gda Fogarty said the cyclist received lacerations and cuts to his knees, hands and waist. He was taken by ambulance to hospital where he was treated for his injuries. He had since made a full recovery.
>>>
>>> The court heard that Kaluga had never been in trouble before.
>>>
>>> Defence solicitor Fiona D’Arcy said this was an unfortunate situation caused by a momentary lapse in concentration by the defendant, who had not been expecting to see a a bike on the roundabout.
>>>
>>> Ms D’Arcy said that happily no one was seriously hurt during the accident.
>>>
>>> She said the defendant was a grandfather and was working as a driver. A driving ban would have a huge impact on his ability to provide for his family, the solicitor added. TOUGH
>>>
>>> Recognisances were set for an appeal.
>>>
>>> https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/dangerous-driver-48-failed-to-stop-at-roundabout-and-knocked-cyclist-over-handlebars-41430616.html
>> Perhaps traffic legislation is very different in Ireland, but "admitted
>> *dangerous* driving"?
>>
>> Really?
>>
>> In the UK that collision - as described - would be a careless driving
>> summons, because "...a momentary lapse in concentration by the
>> defendant" would be nowhere near bad enough for a dangerous driving charge
>>
>> Was the defendant not advised on how to plead?
>>
>> Still, there's an appeal in the offing.
>
> If you want to murder someone use a car, that way you can claim it was just 'a momentary lapse in concentration'.

But if it can be proven that the collision was deliberate (such things
are exceptionally rare, but not unknown), the claim won't stand, will it?

> Why do we allow such dangerous machinery on our roads when 'a momentary lapse in concentration' can have such tragic consequences? No form of transport is 100% safe but there are alternatives that put other road users at minimal risk.

Perhaps fairy-cyclists should be banned from buying food retail and made
to grow all of their own in the window boxes of their tower-block flats.

That would reduce the demand at supermarkets and slightly reduce the
need for HGV deliveries. Not much, but it would help.

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 by: Mike Collins - Fri, 11 Mar 2022 13:06 UTC

On Friday, 11 March 2022 at 13:00:28 UTC, JNugent wrote:
> On 11/03/2022 09:41 am, Mike Collins wrote:
> > On Friday, 11 March 2022 at 00:44:28 UTC, JNugent wrote:
> >> On 10/03/2022 03:27 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >>> A DRIVER who failed to stop at a roundabout crashed side-on into a cyclist and sent him flying over the handlebars of his bike onto the ground, a court heard.
> >>>
> >>> Igors Kaluga (48) left the male cyclist with cuts to his knees, hands and waist following the collision.
> >>>
> >>> Judge Dermot Dempsey fined Kaluga €350 and disqualified him from driving for two years.
> >>>
> >>> The defendant, with an address at Castleview Heath in Swords, admitted dangerous driving at the R132 Seatown Road roundabout in Swords on March 16, 2021.
> >>>
> >>> Garda Aidan Fogarty told Swords District Court that he was on mobile patrol when he was called to the scene of a road traffic accident.
> >>>
> >>> He said that he later viewed dashcam footage. He said Kaluga was travelling on the inside lane of the R132, in the direction of Swords, whilst the cyclist was heading towards the Estuary Road.
> >>>
> >>> Gda Fogarty said the cyclist was already on the roundabout when Kaluga entered the roundabout at speed and collided with the cyclist.
> >>>
> >>> The cyclist was hit side-on, and he went flying over the handlebars of his bike before hitting the ground.
> >>>
> >>> Gda Fogarty said the cyclist received lacerations and cuts to his knees, hands and waist. He was taken by ambulance to hospital where he was treated for his injuries. He had since made a full recovery.
> >>>
> >>> The court heard that Kaluga had never been in trouble before.
> >>>
> >>> Defence solicitor Fiona D’Arcy said this was an unfortunate situation caused by a momentary lapse in concentration by the defendant, who had not been expecting to see a a bike on the roundabout.
> >>>
> >>> Ms D’Arcy said that happily no one was seriously hurt during the accident.
> >>>
> >>> She said the defendant was a grandfather and was working as a driver. A driving ban would have a huge impact on his ability to provide for his family, the solicitor added. TOUGH
> >>>
> >>> Recognisances were set for an appeal.
> >>>
> >>> https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/dangerous-driver-48-failed-to-stop-at-roundabout-and-knocked-cyclist-over-handlebars-41430616.html
> >> Perhaps traffic legislation is very different in Ireland, but "admitted
> >> *dangerous* driving"?
> >>
> >> Really?
> >>
> >> In the UK that collision - as described - would be a careless driving
> >> summons, because "...a momentary lapse in concentration by the
> >> defendant" would be nowhere near bad enough for a dangerous driving charge
> >>
> >> Was the defendant not advised on how to plead?
> >>
> >> Still, there's an appeal in the offing.
> >
> > If you want to murder someone use a car, that way you can claim it was just 'a momentary lapse in concentration'.
> But if it can be proven that the collision was deliberate (such things
> are exceptionally rare, but not unknown), the claim won't stand, will it?
> > Why do we allow such dangerous machinery on our roads when 'a momentary lapse in concentration' can have such tragic consequences? No form of transport is 100% safe but there are alternatives that put other road users at minimal risk.
> Perhaps fairy-cyclists should be banned from buying food retail and made
> to grow all of their own in the window boxes of their tower-block flats.
>
> That would reduce the demand at supermarkets and slightly reduce the
> need for HGV deliveries. Not much, but it would help.

So you agree cyclists pay 'road tax'. Thanks for your support and admission that you have been wrong all these years.
How are you going to face your Ghods with this on your conscience?

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 by: JNugent - Fri, 11 Mar 2022 13:28 UTC

On 11/03/2022 01:06 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
> On Friday, 11 March 2022 at 13:00:28 UTC, JNugent wrote:
>> On 11/03/2022 09:41 am, Mike Collins wrote:
>>> On Friday, 11 March 2022 at 00:44:28 UTC, JNugent wrote:
>>>> On 10/03/2022 03:27 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A DRIVER who failed to stop at a roundabout crashed side-on into a cyclist and sent him flying over the handlebars of his bike onto the ground, a court heard.
>>>>>
>>>>> Igors Kaluga (48) left the male cyclist with cuts to his knees, hands and waist following the collision.
>>>>>
>>>>> Judge Dermot Dempsey fined Kaluga €350 and disqualified him from driving for two years.
>>>>>
>>>>> The defendant, with an address at Castleview Heath in Swords, admitted dangerous driving at the R132 Seatown Road roundabout in Swords on March 16, 2021.
>>>>>
>>>>> Garda Aidan Fogarty told Swords District Court that he was on mobile patrol when he was called to the scene of a road traffic accident.
>>>>>
>>>>> He said that he later viewed dashcam footage. He said Kaluga was travelling on the inside lane of the R132, in the direction of Swords, whilst the cyclist was heading towards the Estuary Road.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gda Fogarty said the cyclist was already on the roundabout when Kaluga entered the roundabout at speed and collided with the cyclist.
>>>>>
>>>>> The cyclist was hit side-on, and he went flying over the handlebars of his bike before hitting the ground.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gda Fogarty said the cyclist received lacerations and cuts to his knees, hands and waist. He was taken by ambulance to hospital where he was treated for his injuries. He had since made a full recovery.
>>>>>
>>>>> The court heard that Kaluga had never been in trouble before.
>>>>>
>>>>> Defence solicitor Fiona D’Arcy said this was an unfortunate situation caused by a momentary lapse in concentration by the defendant, who had not been expecting to see a a bike on the roundabout.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ms D’Arcy said that happily no one was seriously hurt during the accident.
>>>>>
>>>>> She said the defendant was a grandfather and was working as a driver. A driving ban would have a huge impact on his ability to provide for his family, the solicitor added. TOUGH
>>>>>
>>>>> Recognisances were set for an appeal.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/dangerous-driver-48-failed-to-stop-at-roundabout-and-knocked-cyclist-over-handlebars-41430616.html
>>>> Perhaps traffic legislation is very different in Ireland, but "admitted
>>>> *dangerous* driving"?
>>>>
>>>> Really?
>>>>
>>>> In the UK that collision - as described - would be a careless driving
>>>> summons, because "...a momentary lapse in concentration by the
>>>> defendant" would be nowhere near bad enough for a dangerous driving charge
>>>>
>>>> Was the defendant not advised on how to plead?
>>>>
>>>> Still, there's an appeal in the offing.
>>>
>>> If you want to murder someone use a car, that way you can claim it was just 'a momentary lapse in concentration'.

>> But if it can be proven that the collision was deliberate (such things
>> are exceptionally rare, but not unknown), the claim won't stand, will it?

No answer?

>>> Why do we allow such dangerous machinery on our roads when 'a momentary lapse in concentration' can have such tragic consequences? No form of transport is 100% safe but there are alternatives that put other road users at minimal risk.

>> Perhaps fairy-cyclists should be banned from buying food retail and made
>> to grow all of their own in the window boxes of their tower-block flats.

>> That would reduce the demand at supermarkets and slightly reduce the
>> need for HGV deliveries. Not much, but it would help.

No answer?

> So you agree cyclists pay 'road tax'. Thanks for your support and admission that you have been wrong all these years.
> How are you going to face your Ghods with this on your conscience?

You seem not to understand that the conversation takes place in *English*.

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Fri, 11 Mar 2022 14:48 UTC

On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 1:06:49 PM UTC, Mike Collins wrote:

> So you agree cyclists pay 'road tax'. Thanks for your support and admission that you have been wrong all these years.
> How are you going to face your Ghods with this on your conscience?

"Road tax" (sic) = council tax.

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 by: Spike - Fri, 11 Mar 2022 14:59 UTC

On 11/03/2022 14:48, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 1:06:49 PM UTC, Mike Collins wrote:

>> So you agree cyclists pay 'road tax'. Thanks for your support and admission that you have been wrong all these years.
> "Road tax" (sic) = council tax.

Apples = Oranges

--
Spike

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Fri, 11 Mar 2022 15:01 UTC

On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 1:06:49 PM UTC, Mike Collins wrote:

> So you agree cyclists pay 'road tax'.

My VED is £0.


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