Australia's next submarine fleet will be nuclear-powered under an
audacious plan that will see a controversial $90 billion program to
build up to 12 French-designed submarines scrapped.

The ABC understands Australia will use American and British technology
to configure its next submarine fleet in a bid to replace its existing
Collins class subs with a boat more suitable to the deteriorating
strategic environment.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-15/allied-naval-united-states-biden-australia-nuclear-submarines/100465628

Powered not armed. Not sure there is any problem with this except that
it puts us into the nuclear fuel cycle. Wonder if a liquid fluoride
thorium reactor is an option.

On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 06:22:07 +1000, Dechucka posted:-

> Australia's next submarine fleet will be nuclear-powered under an
> audacious plan that will see a controversial $90 billion program to
> build up to 12 French-designed submarines scrapped.
>
> The ABC understands Australia will use American and British
> technology to configure its next submarine fleet in a bid to replace
> its existing Collins class subs with a boat more suitable to the
> deteriorating strategic environment.
>
> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-15/allied-naval-united-states-biden-australia-nuclear-submarines/100465628
>
> Powered not armed. Not sure there is any problem with this except
> that it puts us into the nuclear fuel cycle. Wonder if a liquid
> fluoride thorium reactor is an option.

Good move here to get rid of the frog shit, outdated technology.

Greens & left wing of the ALP will be furious.

On 16/09/2021 6:22 am, Dechucka wrote:
> Australia's next submarine fleet will be nuclear-powered under an
> audacious plan that will see a controversial $90 billion program to
> build up to 12 French-designed submarines scrapped.
>
> The ABC understands Australia will use American and British technology
> to configure its next submarine fleet in a bid to replace its existing
> Collins class subs with a boat more suitable to the deteriorating
> strategic environment.
>
> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-15/allied-naval-united-states-biden-australia-nuclear-submarines/100465628
>
>
> Powered not armed. Not sure there is any problem with this except that
> it puts us into the nuclear fuel cycle. Wonder if a liquid fluoride
> thorium reactor is an option.

Just heard the announcement
OH NO we're going to discuss with the US and UK building our own own
nuclear powered subs. This will end in tears why don't we just buy some
Virginia class or Astute class subs rather than fiddle around with the
design. Iirc the US has some older Los Angeles SSNs in mothballs
Wonder if the will need to go to Parliament given our non-nuclear stand

On 16/09/2021 6:39 am, Mountain Magpie wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 06:22:07 +1000, Dechucka posted:-
>
>> Australia's next submarine fleet will be nuclear-powered under an
>> audacious plan that will see a controversial $90 billion program to
>> build up to 12 French-designed submarines scrapped.
>>
>> The ABC understands Australia will use American and British
>> technology to configure its next submarine fleet in a bid to replace
>> its existing Collins class subs with a boat more suitable to the
>> deteriorating strategic environment.
>>
>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-15/allied-naval-united-states-biden-australia-nuclear-submarines/100465628
>>
>> Powered not armed. Not sure there is any problem with this except
>> that it puts us into the nuclear fuel cycle. Wonder if a liquid
>> fluoride thorium reactor is an option.
>
> Good move here to get rid of the frog shit, outdated technology.
>
> Greens & left wing of the ALP will be furious.
>

**I am a Greens supporter and I reckon nuclear powered ships make
perfect sense. Far less greenhouse impact. We should back it up with a
nuclear powered aircraft carrier too.

The one issue no one has mentioned is this:

Nuclear powered subs are very large and noisy. They are not good for
stealthy operations, whereas Collins class subs are relatively small and
stealthy. So, there's that.

It was written by Dechucka:

> Australia's next submarine fleet will be nuclear-powered under an
> audacious plan that will see a controversial $90 billion program to
> build up to 12 French-designed submarines scrapped.
>
> The ABC understands Australia will use American and British technology
> to configure its next submarine fleet in a bid to replace its existing
> Collins class subs with a boat more suitable to the deteriorating
> strategic environment.
>
> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-15/allied-naval-united-states-biden-
australia-nuclear-submarines/100465628
>
> Powered not armed. Not sure there is any problem with this except that
> it puts us into the nuclear fuel cycle. Wonder if a liquid fluoride
> thorium reactor is an option.

My only questions are:
- How badly do we need such bloody expensive submarines?

- Could this money be better spent elsewhere?

- Are we still living the illusion of being a major naval military force
in the Pacific region?

- Which LNP politicians (plus those financial supporters of the LNP from
the relevant military industrial sector) will profit the most from
such new military contracts?

Whatever the decision is I am convinced ALP will support it 100%.
After all these days Labor aims to become the better Liberals.

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Never ending misogyny & homophobia
Undeniable Anglo-Celtic racism and supremacy,
Unbridled hate for the underclasses,
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Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
> Mountain Magpie wrote
>> Dechucka wrote
>>
>>> Australia's next submarine fleet will be nuclear-powered under an
>>> audacious plan that will see a controversial $90 billion program to
>>> build up to 12 French-designed submarines scrapped.
>>>
>>> The ABC understands Australia will use American and British
>>> technology to configure its next submarine fleet in a bid to replace
>>> its existing Collins class subs with a boat more suitable to the
>>> deteriorating strategic environment.
>>>
>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-15/allied-naval-united-states-biden-australia-nuclear-submarines/100465628
>>>
>>> Powered not armed. Not sure there is any problem with this except
>>> that it puts us into the nuclear fuel cycle. Wonder if a liquid
>>> fluoride thorium reactor is an option.
>>
>> Good move here to get rid of the frog shit, outdated technology.
>>
>> Greens & left wing of the ALP will be furious.

> I am a Greens supporter and I reckon nuclear powered ships make perfect
> sense. Far less greenhouse impact. We should back it up with a nuclear
> powered aircraft carrier too.

No point in having either of them, they will never be used.

> The one issue no one has mentioned is this:

> Nuclear powered subs are very large and noisy.

They don’t have to be either.

> They are not good for stealthy operations, whereas Collins class subs are
> relatively small and stealthy.

But aren't doing anything useful so a complete waste of money.

> So, there's that.

On 16/09/2021 8:06 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 16/09/2021 6:39 am, Mountain Magpie wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 06:22:07 +1000, Dechucka posted:-
>>
>>> Australia's next submarine fleet will be nuclear-powered under an
>>> audacious plan that will see a controversial $90 billion program to
>>> build up to 12 French-designed submarines scrapped.
>>>
>>> The ABC understands Australia will use American and British
>>> technology to configure its next submarine fleet in a bid to replace
>>> its existing Collins class subs with a boat more suitable to the
>>> deteriorating strategic environment.
>>>
>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-15/allied-naval-united-states-biden-australia-nuclear-submarines/100465628
>>>
>>>
>>> Powered not armed. Not sure there is any problem with this except
>>> that it puts us into the nuclear fuel cycle. Wonder if a liquid
>>> fluoride thorium reactor is an option.
>>
>> Good move here to get rid of the frog shit, outdated technology.
>>
>> Greens & left wing of the ALP will be furious.
>>
>
> **I am a Greens supporter and I reckon nuclear powered ships make
> perfect sense. Far less greenhouse impact. We should back it up with a
> nuclear powered aircraft carrier too.
>
> The one issue no one has mentioned is this:
>
> Nuclear powered subs are very large and noisy.

No they aren't. The French submarine that was being 'built' for the RAN
was a nuke powered sub converted to a diesel electric. They aren't
talking about the ICBM boomer style subs rather fast attack suds

> They are not good for
> stealthy operations, whereas Collins class subs are relatively small and
> stealthy. So, there's that.

On 16/09/2021 8:11 am, *Ördög* wrote:
> It was written by Dechucka:
>
>> Australia's next submarine fleet will be nuclear-powered under an
>> audacious plan that will see a controversial $90 billion program to
>> build up to 12 French-designed submarines scrapped.
>>
>> The ABC understands Australia will use American and British technology
>> to configure its next submarine fleet in a bid to replace its existing
>> Collins class subs with a boat more suitable to the deteriorating
>> strategic environment.
>>
>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-15/allied-naval-united-states-biden-
> australia-nuclear-submarines/100465628
>>
>> Powered not armed. Not sure there is any problem with this except that
>> it puts us into the nuclear fuel cycle. Wonder if a liquid fluoride
>> thorium reactor is an option.
>
> My only questions are:
> - How badly do we need such bloody expensive submarines?
>
> - Could this money be better spent elsewhere?
>
> - Are we still living the illusion of being a major naval military force
> in the Pacific region?
>
> - Which LNP politicians (plus those financial supporters of the LNP from
> the relevant military industrial sector) will profit the most from
> such new military contracts?

All good questions but apply equally to the $90 billion French
conventional subs programme and think of the savings on diesel

>
> Whatever the decision is I am convinced ALP will support it 100%.
> After all these days Labor aims to become the better Liberals.

Certain they well as they don't want to get wedged on this policy UNLESS
there polling/research shows there are more votes in marginal seats in
opposing it.

On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 22:11:23 GMT, *Ördög* <devil@your.service.org>
wrote:

>It was written by Dechucka:
>
>> Australia's next submarine fleet will be nuclear-powered under an
>> audacious plan that will see a controversial $90 billion program to
>> build up to 12 French-designed submarines scrapped.
>>
>> The ABC understands Australia will use American and British technology
>> to configure its next submarine fleet in a bid to replace its existing
>> Collins class subs with a boat more suitable to the deteriorating
>> strategic environment.
>>
>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-15/allied-naval-united-states-biden-
>australia-nuclear-submarines/100465628
>>
>> Powered not armed. Not sure there is any problem with this except that
>> it puts us into the nuclear fuel cycle. Wonder if a liquid fluoride
>> thorium reactor is an option.
>
>My only questions are:
>- How badly do we need such bloody expensive submarines?
>
>- Could this money be better spent elsewhere?
>
>- Are we still living the illusion of being a major naval military force
> in the Pacific region?
>
>- Which LNP politicians (plus those financial supporters of the LNP from
> the relevant military industrial sector) will profit the most from
> such new military contracts?
>
>Whatever the decision is I am convinced ALP will support it 100%.
>After all these days Labor aims to become the better Liberals.
>
>--
>
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Here's Joe Biden calling ScoMo "that fellow down under".
https://twitter.com/i/status/1438253509812518912
--
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He was running against voter fraud.
https://youtu.be/U4c5dYDD9xw
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Fraudulent Election Maneuvers and Steal Elections in Perpetuity

The left loathes Trump so much it totally blinds them
to anything he says, even when what he says
could potentially save thousands of lives.

Amazing where in America a lifetime of lying, thieving,
fraud and cheating will take you in politics?
https://youtu.be/D1j0FS0Z6ho
Joe Biden's son, zero track record, for jobs in languages
he don't speak thrown out of navy for doing coke,
turned in a rental car with crack pipes in it,
hid from a process server for getting a girl pregnant
to avoid child support.
And now he's a high paid artist with no discernible talent.

Five days with dad on Chinese trip was paid US$1.5 billion dollars?
Corruption by proxy,a new corruption that is difficult to detect

Joe Biden had a little boy
his nose was white with snow
And everywhere Joe Biden went
his son was sure to go
He followed to Ukraine one day
and scored a lot of dough
This made Joe Biden worry so
he did a quid pro quo : Anon

Somewhere out there is a 2-year-old girl whose mother is a stripper,
her father is a crackhead and her grandpa is President of the United States
.. --Fact check THAT.

Mountain Magpie, Mountain Magpie <Leura@blue.mountains.org>, Wed, 15 Sep
2021 20:39:05 +0000

> the frog shit, outdated

Racism/chauvinism/nationalism are quite outdated concepts, or should be.
> Greens & left wing of the ALP will be furious.

How would such an obvious political propaganda clown planted in this
newsgroup know?

Petz

> Here's Joe Biden calling ScoMo "that fellow down under".

And why would this (if true which is an "if') be relevant to this
discussion on Australian submarine purchase/choice of technology?

Why do you assume I give a shit about what Biden says ScoMo?

As usual your brain dead tangential whataboutism is mind boggling!
Are you already at GoonCon2, Petz dear?

~~~
~~~
Busting Petz's idiotic hate propaganda sig is as follows:

Hey Petz, isn't it time that you change your dated sig now as your orange
idol Trump is just a bad memory and Biden is the new POTUS?

> Trump was never running against Biden.

The hell he was not. And he lost fucking big time. (YAY)
That is why he needed to invent "voter fraud" as an excuse both for
himself and his idiotic fanatical and deranged MAGA cult followers (like
you for instance.

The only voter fraud clearly confirmed to date was committed by deranged
Trump cultists like you.

> GOP's urgent attempts of 2021 are towards codifying voter suppression,
> solidifying gerrymandering at all levels of government and
> retaining the filibuster for the purpose of grabbing the power in the
> US for Perpetuity.

Here Petz dear, I have corrected your massive typos in the above
paragraph!

> The left loathes Trump

All sane, rational and civilised person hates Trump, that corrupt,
criminal, racist, misogynist, neo-fascist and horribly narcissistic
conman.

> so much it totally blinds them to anything he says,

Luckily Trump critiques and opponents aren't blind to Trump's vile hate
mongering rhetoric stuffed full of idiocy, inaccuracies, science denialism
and demagogy. Only his cult members are blind to facts and reason.

> even when what he
> says could potentially save thousands of lives.

BULLSHIT
But he is definitely responsible for hundreds of thousand of unnecessary
deaths under his watch.

> Amazing where in America a lifetime of lying, thieving, fraud and
> cheating will take you in politics?

Yeah, precisely!. Juts a decade ago no-one would have thought of Trump
actually managing to become the President. Yet it has happened.
The US system of government has been totally corrupted by the hard
capitalist right abusing the execute, judicial and enforcement arms of
the US government for their own benefit.

> Joe Biden's son, zero track record

You are off to the fairies again in goonbags' fumes land!
Biden's son had bugger all to do with the presidency, he never had nor
ever will have any role in government ... so who the fuck cares what
the fuck he did or does. Nor do I care what his butler does during his
private time nor how many times his dog pees on the carpet.

/ snip some disgusting verbal vomit/

> Corruption ...

....is rampant in both of the two major parties in the USA, but by far more
dominating amongst the Republicans.

> Somewhere out there is a 2-year-old girl whose mother is a stripper,
> her father is a crackhead and her grandpa is President of the United
> States
> --Fact check THAT.

No need. Your QAnon derived slandering hatemonger bullshit don't need to
be checked.
~~

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- idiots like Petz and his bunch of home grown OZ carzies

- All LNP propaganda drones like assorted LJH family of
sock- and meat-puppets for instance that gutter trash quality
scumbag nymshifter creep Alvey, Mag00, Jonz, Rex Libris,
Henry Briggs, Louie braindeath, James somethin',
Birdies mounting Johnny,
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- All septic trash trolls from that never been great US of A,
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On 16/09/2021 8:15 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>> Mountain Magpie wrote
>>> Dechucka wrote
>>>
>>>> Australia's next submarine fleet will be nuclear-powered under an
>>>> audacious plan that will see a controversial $90 billion program to
>>>> build up to 12 French-designed submarines scrapped.
>>>>
>>>> The ABC understands Australia will use American and British
>>>> technology to configure its next submarine fleet in a bid to replace
>>>> its existing Collins class subs with a boat more suitable to the
>>>> deteriorating strategic environment.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-15/allied-naval-united-states-biden-australia-nuclear-submarines/100465628
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Powered not armed. Not sure there is any problem with this except
>>>> that it puts us into the nuclear fuel cycle. Wonder if a liquid
>>>> fluoride thorium reactor is an option.
>>>
>>> Good move here to get rid of the frog shit, outdated technology.
>>>
>>> Greens & left wing of the ALP will be furious.
>
>> I am a Greens supporter and I reckon nuclear powered ships make
>> perfect sense. Far less greenhouse impact. We should back it up with a
>> nuclear powered aircraft carrier too.
>
> No point in having either of them, they will never be used.

**Perhaps. 90% of military equipment is never used in anger.

>
>> The one issue no one has mentioned is this:
>
>> Nuclear powered subs are very large and noisy.
>
> They don’t have to be either.
>
>> They are not good for stealthy operations, whereas Collins class subs
>> are relatively small and stealthy.
>
> But aren't doing anything useful so a complete waste of money.

**Possibly. An array of nuclear missile silos might be a better option.

snip
> Here's Joe Biden calling ScoMo "that fellow down under".
> https://twitter.com/i/status/1438253509812518912

Totally irrelevant to this thread but how embarrassing for SloMO.
At least Biden knew SloMo came "from a land down under
Where beer does flow and men chunder
Can't you hear, can't you hear the thunder?
You better run, you better take cover, ye-aah"

snip

> **Possibly. An array of nuclear missile silos might be a better option.

What are we going to do with them? Looks like a good harvest so we could
use these silos for storage

On 16/09/2021 8:49 am, Dechucka wrote:
> snip
>
>> **Possibly. An array of nuclear missile silos might be a better option.
>
> What are we going to do with them?

**Deterrence.

Looks like a good harvest so we could
> use these silos for storage

Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>>> Mountain Magpie wrote
>>>> Dechucka wrote
>>>>
>>>>> Australia's next submarine fleet will be nuclear-powered under an
>>>>> audacious plan that will see a controversial $90 billion program to
>>>>> build up to 12 French-designed submarines scrapped.
>>>>>
>>>>> The ABC understands Australia will use American and British
>>>>> technology to configure its next submarine fleet in a bid to replace
>>>>> its existing Collins class subs with a boat more suitable to the
>>>>> deteriorating strategic environment.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-15/allied-naval-united-states-biden-australia-nuclear-submarines/100465628
>>>>>
>>>>> Powered not armed. Not sure there is any problem with this except
>>>>> that it puts us into the nuclear fuel cycle. Wonder if a liquid
>>>>> fluoride thorium reactor is an option.
>>>>
>>>> Good move here to get rid of the frog shit, outdated technology.
>>>>
>>>> Greens & left wing of the ALP will be furious.
>>
>>> I am a Greens supporter and I reckon nuclear powered ships make perfect
>>> sense. Far less greenhouse impact. We should back it up with a nuclear
>>> powered aircraft carrier too.
>>
>> No point in having either of them, they will never be used.

> Perhaps. 90% of military equipment is never used in anger.

But some like our stupid subs and an
aircraft carrier never would be by us.

>>> The one issue no one has mentioned is this:
>>
>>> Nuclear powered subs are very large and noisy.
>>
>> They don’t have to be either.
>>
>>> They are not good for stealthy operations, whereas Collins class subs
>>> are relatively small and stealthy.
>>
>> But aren't doing anything useful so a complete waste of money.
>
> Possibly.

Absolutely certainly in fact.

> An array of nuclear missile silos might be a better option.

Those make even less sense because everyone knows where they are.

On 16/09/2021 9:29 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 16/09/2021 8:49 am, Dechucka wrote:
>> snip
>>
>>> **Possibly. An array of nuclear missile silos might be a better option.
>>
>> What are we going to do with them?
>
> **Deterrence.

How are missile silos going to be a deterrence?

>
>  Looks like a good harvest so we could
>> use these silos for storage
>

Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
> Dechucka wrote

>>> Possibly. An array of nuclear missile silos might be a better option.

>> What are we going to do with them?

> Deterrence.

Doesn’t do that. No one is going to be stupid enough
to attack us and even if some fool like Kim Jong Un
or Xi was that stupid, they know we wouldn’t nuke
them and have them nuke us.

On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 22:24:30 -0000 (UTC), Leura Ingraham posted:-

> Mountain Magpie, Mountain Magpie <Leura@blue.mountains.org>, Wed, 15
> Sep 2021 20:39:05 +0000
>
>
> > the frog shit, outdated
>
> Racism/chauvinism/nationalism are quite outdated concepts, or should
> be.

This is a newsgroup, moron. We thrive on racial insults, and moronic
replies such as yours. Your attempt to censor comment is noted.
Typical left wing loser chip on the shoulder attitude.

> > Greens & left wing of the ALP will be furious.
>
> How would such an obvious political propaganda clown planted in this
> newsgroup know?

Because they are wrongly opposed to nuclear power, as you appear to be,
moron.

On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 22:11:23 GMT, *Ördög* posted:-

> My only questions are:
> - How badly do we need such bloody expensive submarines?
>
> - Could this money be better spent elsewhere?
>
> - Are we still living the illusion of being a major naval military
> force in the Pacific region?

Noted how wog dog wants to roll over for China, the traitorous commie
bastard.
>
> - Which LNP politicians (plus those financial supporters of the LNP
> from the relevant military industrial sector) will profit the most
> from such new military contracts?

What a stupid ill founded question.

On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 09:35:11 +1000, Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On 16/09/2021 9:29 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 16/09/2021 8:49 am, Dechucka wrote:
>>> snip
>>>
>>>> **Possibly. An array of nuclear missile silos might be a better option.
>>>
>>> What are we going to do with them?
>>
>> **Deterrence.
>
>How are missile silos going to be a deterrence?
>
What's the point of a Chinese friendly Joe Biden selling Australia
Nuke submarines with tracking devices, with that code given to the
Chinese by his top General Milley?
https://is.gd/xXtqSp
Biden wouldn't not sell ScoMo (from down under) near expiry dated
Pfizer then Biden hung up on him!
>>
>>  Looks like a good harvest so we could
>>> use these silos for storage
>>
--
Petzl
A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot
survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable,
for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves
amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling
through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself
For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar
to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he
appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He
rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night
to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so
that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.

- Marcus Tullius Cicero

On 16/09/2021 11:14 am, Petzl wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 09:35:11 +1000, Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 16/09/2021 9:29 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 16/09/2021 8:49 am, Dechucka wrote:
>>>> snip
>>>>
>>>>> **Possibly. An array of nuclear missile silos might be a better option.
>>>>
>>>> What are we going to do with them?
>>>
>>> **Deterrence.
>>
>> How are missile silos going to be a deterrence?
>>
> What's the point of a Chinese friendly Joe Biden selling Australia
> Nuke submarines with tracking devices, with that code given to the
> Chinese by his top General Milley?

On the face of it Willey's action do seem treasonous. However it shows
how crazy the military thought Trump was. Bob Woodward's book is going
to be an interesting read.

> https://is.gd/xXtqSp
> Biden wouldn't not sell ScoMo (from down under) near expiry dated
> Pfizer then Biden hung up on him!

Mountain Magpie wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 06:22:07 +1000, Dechucka posted:-
>
>>
> Good move here to get rid of the frog shit, outdated technology.
>
>

Malcolm Turnbull said to Trump: A DEAL IS A DEAL

But Scomo renegs, tears up a contract. Why should anybody want to sell
anything to Australia, when the PM cannot be trusted to act like a
gentleman?

On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 18:46:17 +0800, Rudy Jewliani posted:-

> Mountain Magpie wrote:
> > On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 06:22:07 +1000, Dechucka posted:-
> >
> >>
> > Good move here to get rid of the frog shit, outdated technology.
> >
> >
>
> Malcolm Turnbull said to Trump: A DEAL IS A DEAL
>
> But Scomo renegs, tears up a contract. Why should anybody want to
> sell anything to Australia, when the PM cannot be trusted to act like
> a gentleman?
>

Wasn't there some sort of problem however with the French? Design
issues? Building issues? Security issues? The contract should have
an "out" clause if certain conditions aren't met, maybe it did?

On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 11:46:54 -0000, Mountain Magpie
<Leura@blue.mountains.org> wrote:

>On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 18:46:17 +0800, Rudy Jewliani posted:-
>
>> Mountain Magpie wrote:
>> > On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 06:22:07 +1000, Dechucka posted:-
>> >
>> >>
>> > Good move here to get rid of the frog shit, outdated technology.
>> >
>> >
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>> Malcolm Turnbull said to Trump: A DEAL IS A DEAL
>>
>> But Scomo renegs, tears up a contract. Why should anybody want to
>> sell anything to Australia, when the PM cannot be trusted to act like
>> a gentleman?
>>
>
>Wasn't there some sort of problem however with the French? Design
>issues? Building issues? Security issues? The contract should have
>an "out" clause if certain conditions aren't met, maybe it did?
>
I would expect a out clause was in contract, normally requires a fee.

Wonder if Biden and General Mark Milley have provided China with a
detonation button for the US Nuclear Submarines heading for Australia?
Both Biden and Milley are China operatives. Both complacent in turning
Afghanistan over to China.
--
Petzl
Trump was never running against Biden.
He was running against voter fraud.
https://youtu.be/U4c5dYDD9xw
The Democrats’ First Bill of 2021 Is to Lock In
Fraudulent Election Maneuvers and Steal Elections in Perpetuity

The left loathes Trump so much it totally blinds them
to anything he says, even when what he says
could potentially save thousands of lives.

Amazing where in America a lifetime of lying, thieving,
fraud and cheating will take you in politics?
https://youtu.be/D1j0FS0Z6ho
Joe Biden's son, zero track record, for jobs in languages
he don't speak thrown out of navy for doing coke,
turned in a rental car with crack pipes in it,
hid from a process server for getting a girl pregnant
to avoid child support.
And now he's a high paid artist with no discernible talent.

Five days with dad on Chinese trip was paid US$1.5 billion dollars?
Corruption by proxy,a new corruption that is difficult to detect

Joe Biden had a little boy
his nose was white with snow
And everywhere Joe Biden went
his son was sure to go
He followed to Ukraine one day
and scored a lot of dough
This made Joe Biden worry so
he did a quid pro quo : Anon

Somewhere out there is a 2-year-old girl whose mother is a stripper,
her father is a crackhead and her grandpa is President of the United States
.. --Fact check THAT.