On 25/02/2022 21:36, Mike McMillan wrote:
> Serena Blanchflower <nospam@blanchflower.me.uk> wrote:
>> On 25/02/2022 17:16, John Ashby wrote:
>>> On 25/02/2022 14:55, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>>>> On 25/02/2022 11:21, Penny wrote:
>>>>> A more basic query regarding Ukraine.
>>>>>
>>>>> I winced when I heard Joe Biden talk about Keev a few days ago.
>>>>> This morning I heard 3 (or maybe 4) subtly different  pronunciations
>>>>> of the
>>>>> place. I'm not sure how the locals say it - presumably something
>>>>> close to
>>>>> Keev.
>>>>
>>>> It's a sensitive issue to the Ukrainians at the moment, as Kiev is the
>>>> Russian version of their name, while Kyiv (pronounced as a rough
>>>> approximation of Keev) is the Ukrainian name for the city.  Avoiding
>>>> the Russian version of their name has become a minor (but, I believe,
>>>> much appreciated) statement of allegiance to them.
>>>
>>> Which is akin to the debate during the unpleasantness in the Former
>>> Yugoslavia over whether it was Kosovo or Kosova. Fence sitters (guilty)
>>> used Kosov@.
>>
>> And whether you call the Northern Irish city Derry or Londonderry.
>
> I’ve heard it refereed to as ‘Stroke City’.

Gerry Anderson - the one who had a brief, unsuccessful, period on R4 on
weekday afternoons presenting Anderson Country, not the Thunderbirds
chap - used to call it that. It's about the only thing I remember about
him or the programme, which had a mercifully short life[1].

[1]He seemed like a decent chap and a perfectly good presenter, but the
tone and format were all wrong for the slot.
--
Sid
(Make sure Matron is away when you reply)

Sid Nuncius <nuncius@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 25/02/2022 21:36, Mike McMillan wrote:
>> Serena Blanchflower <nospam@blanchflower.me.uk> wrote:
>>> On 25/02/2022 17:16, John Ashby wrote:
>>>> On 25/02/2022 14:55, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>>>>> On 25/02/2022 11:21, Penny wrote:
>>>>>> A more basic query regarding Ukraine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I winced when I heard Joe Biden talk about Keev a few days ago.
>>>>>> This morning I heard 3 (or maybe 4) subtly different  pronunciations
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> place. I'm not sure how the locals say it - presumably something
>>>>>> close to
>>>>>> Keev.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a sensitive issue to the Ukrainians at the moment, as Kiev is the
>>>>> Russian version of their name, while Kyiv (pronounced as a rough
>>>>> approximation of Keev) is the Ukrainian name for the city.  Avoiding
>>>>> the Russian version of their name has become a minor (but, I believe,
>>>>> much appreciated) statement of allegiance to them.
>>>>
>>>> Which is akin to the debate during the unpleasantness in the Former
>>>> Yugoslavia over whether it was Kosovo or Kosova. Fence sitters (guilty)
>>>> used Kosov@.
>>>
>>> And whether you call the Northern Irish city Derry or Londonderry.
>>
>> I’ve heard it refereed to as ‘Stroke City’.
>
> Gerry Anderson - the one who had a brief, unsuccessful, period on R4 on
> weekday afternoons presenting Anderson Country, not the Thunderbirds
> chap - used to call it that. It's about the only thing I remember about
> him or the programme, which had a mercifully short life[1].
>
>
> [1]He seemed like a decent chap and a perfectly good presenter, but the
> tone and format were all wrong for the slot.

A rough barbed oblong trying to shoehorn into a round hole.

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

Sid Nuncius wrote:

>Gerry Anderson - the one who had a brief, unsuccessful, period on R4 on
>weekday afternoons presenting Anderson Country, not the Thunderbirds
>chap - used to call it that. It's about the only thing I remember about
>him or the programme, which had a mercifully short life[1].
>
>
>[1]He seemed like a decent chap and a perfectly good presenter, but the
>tone and format were all wrong for the slot.

I had previously heard him on other, unscripted, programmes where
he was perfectly fine, but given a script, and then expected to
make it sound as if he was not reading it, he failed dismally.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham
'48/33 M B+ G++ A L(-) I S-- CH0(--)(p) Ar- T+ H0 ?Q
chris@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1
Plant amazing Acers.

On 26/02/2022 06:15, Sid Nuncius wrote:
> On 25/02/2022 21:36, Mike McMillan wrote:
>> Serena Blanchflower <nospam@blanchflower.me.uk> wrote:
>>> On 25/02/2022 17:16, John Ashby wrote:
>>>> On 25/02/2022 14:55, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>>>>> On 25/02/2022 11:21, Penny wrote:
>>>>>> A more basic query regarding Ukraine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I winced when I heard Joe Biden talk about Keev a few days ago.
>>>>>> This morning I heard 3 (or maybe 4) subtly different  pronunciations
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> place. I'm not sure how the locals say it - presumably something
>>>>>> close to
>>>>>> Keev.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a sensitive issue to the Ukrainians at the moment, as Kiev is the
>>>>> Russian version of their name, while Kyiv (pronounced as a rough
>>>>> approximation of Keev) is the Ukrainian name for the city.  Avoiding
>>>>> the Russian version of their name has become a minor (but, I believe,
>>>>> much appreciated) statement of allegiance to them.
>>>>
>>>> Which is akin to the debate during the unpleasantness in the Former
>>>> Yugoslavia over whether it was Kosovo or Kosova. Fence sitters (guilty)
>>>> used Kosov@.
>>>
>>> And whether you call the Northern Irish city Derry or Londonderry.
>>
>> I’ve heard it refereed to as ‘Stroke City’.
>
> Gerry Anderson - the one who had a brief, unsuccessful, period on R4 on
> weekday afternoons presenting Anderson Country, not the Thunderbirds
> chap - used to call it that.  It's about the only thing I remember about
> him or the programme, which had a mercifully short life[1].
>
>
> [1]He seemed like a decent chap and a perfectly good presenter, but the
> tone and format were all wrong for the slot.
I enjoyed his programme, it being on at just the right time for me to
listen was a factor.
Steve

On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 13:33:37 +0000, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 12:27:48 +0000, Jenny M Benson
><NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>On 25/02/2022 11:21, Penny wrote:
>>> A more basic query regarding Ukraine.
>>>
>>> I winced when I heard Joe Biden talk about Keev a few days ago.
>>> This morning I heard 3 (or maybe 4) subtly different pronunciations of the
>>> place. I'm not sure how the locals say it - presumably something close to
>>> Keev.
>>>
>>AIUI (with the usual caveats) is that the Ukranians call it Kyiv and
>>pronounce that Kee-eve. I think we're a bit behind the times in saying
>>Kee-ev.
>>
>>> When reporting in or about Paris, BBC people always say Paris - none of the
>>> locals do. I wish they'd make their collective mind up.
>>
>>My geography is hazy at best but I don't know how many foreign cities
>>have an Anglicised version of their names which is usually used when
>>English is being spoken by an English-speaker. I don't think many
>>English-speakers use the Welsh names of Welsh places. My sister lives
>>in Northop/Llaneurgain but I have never heard anyone refer to
>>Llaneurgain. Its church is dedicated to St Eurgain & St Peter but the
>>newish housing estate across the road is called St Peter's Park.
>>
>>(1) I once got 2% in a Geog exam and half of that was for putting my
>>name on the paper correctly.
>
>Because of the way the timetable was dne at my secondary school if I
>wanted to do German GCE, alowed as I was fluent already, I had to drop
>Geography. I didn't mind as am not neat and was bad at drawing maps
>and colouring them in neatly,which in the second year when we made
>coices seemed to be what Geography was about. I can just about locate
>the UK on a blank map of the world but not many other countries or
>capitols.

Be fair to yourself Vicky, you've spent an awful lot of your time on
the 70% of the world map that is just coloured blue from which it must
have been awfully difficult to know where the green, brown and grey
bits were.

Nick

On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 09:58:04 +0000, steve hague
<stevehague82@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 26/02/2022 06:15, Sid Nuncius wrote:
>> On 25/02/2022 21:36, Mike McMillan wrote:
>>> Serena Blanchflower <nospam@blanchflower.me.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 25/02/2022 17:16, John Ashby wrote:
>>>>> On 25/02/2022 14:55, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>>>>>> On 25/02/2022 11:21, Penny wrote:
>>>>>>> A more basic query regarding Ukraine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I winced when I heard Joe Biden talk about Keev a few days ago.
>>>>>>> This morning I heard 3 (or maybe 4) subtly different  pronunciations
>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>> place. I'm not sure how the locals say it - presumably something
>>>>>>> close to
>>>>>>> Keev.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's a sensitive issue to the Ukrainians at the moment, as Kiev is the
>>>>>> Russian version of their name, while Kyiv (pronounced as a rough
>>>>>> approximation of Keev) is the Ukrainian name for the city.  Avoiding
>>>>>> the Russian version of their name has become a minor (but, I believe,
>>>>>> much appreciated) statement of allegiance to them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which is akin to the debate during the unpleasantness in the Former
>>>>> Yugoslavia over whether it was Kosovo or Kosova. Fence sitters (guilty)
>>>>> used Kosov@.
>>>>
>>>> And whether you call the Northern Irish city Derry or Londonderry.
>>>
>>> I’ve heard it refereed to as ‘Stroke City’.
>>
>> Gerry Anderson - the one who had a brief, unsuccessful, period on R4 on
>> weekday afternoons presenting Anderson Country, not the Thunderbirds
>> chap - used to call it that.  It's about the only thing I remember about
>> him or the programme, which had a mercifully short life[1].
>>
>>
>> [1]He seemed like a decent chap and a perfectly good presenter, but the
>> tone and format were all wrong for the slot.
>I enjoyed his programme, it being on at just the right time for me to
>listen was a factor.

+1 here. Had Eternal September not been down for me yesterday I had
been planning to write in praise of Gerry Anderson and his programmes.

I also used to like Sybil Ruscoe's programme. I think because she
always came across to me as just on the right side of slightly dotty.

Nick

Serena Blanchflower <nospam@blanchflower.me.uk> wrote:
> On 25/02/2022 11:21, Penny wrote:
>> A more basic query regarding Ukraine.
>>
>> I winced when I heard Joe Biden talk about Keev a few days ago.
>> This morning I heard 3 (or maybe 4) subtly different pronunciations of the
>> place. I'm not sure how the locals say it - presumably something close to
>> Keev.
>
>
> It's a sensitive issue to the Ukrainians at the moment, as Kiev is the
> Russian version of their name, while Kyiv (pronounced as a rough
> approximation of Keev) is the Ukrainian name for the city. Avoiding the
> Russian version of their name has become a minor (but, I believe, much
> appreciated) statement of allegiance to them.
>
>
>> When reporting in or about Paris, BBC people always say Paris - none of the
>> locals do. I wish they'd make their collective mind up.
>
> I suspect Parisians are secure enough that they really aren't bothered
> about what we call them, any more than we mind them calling London
> "Londres".
>

Thanks for this. I didn’t know Kviv was Kiev. Bern confused for a long
time.

Sincerely Chris

Sid Nuncius <nuncius@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 25/02/2022 21:36, Mike McMillan wrote:
>> Serena Blanchflower <nospam@blanchflower.me.uk> wrote:
>>> On 25/02/2022 17:16, John Ashby wrote:
>>>> On 25/02/2022 14:55, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>>>>> On 25/02/2022 11:21, Penny wrote:
>>>>>> A more basic query regarding Ukraine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I winced when I heard Joe Biden talk about Keev a few days ago.
>>>>>> This morning I heard 3 (or maybe 4) subtly different  pronunciations
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> place. I'm not sure how the locals say it - presumably something
>>>>>> close to
>>>>>> Keev.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a sensitive issue to the Ukrainians at the moment, as Kiev is the
>>>>> Russian version of their name, while Kyiv (pronounced as a rough
>>>>> approximation of Keev) is the Ukrainian name for the city.  Avoiding
>>>>> the Russian version of their name has become a minor (but, I believe,
>>>>> much appreciated) statement of allegiance to them.
>>>>
>>>> Which is akin to the debate during the unpleasantness in the Former
>>>> Yugoslavia over whether it was Kosovo or Kosova. Fence sitters (guilty)
>>>> used Kosov@.
>>>
>>> And whether you call the Northern Irish city Derry or Londonderry.
>>
>> I’ve heard it refereed to as ‘Stroke City’.
>
> Gerry Anderson - the one who had a brief, unsuccessful, period on R4 on
> weekday afternoons presenting Anderson Country, not the Thunderbirds
> chap - used to call it that. It's about the only thing I remember about
> him or the programme, which had a mercifully short life[1].
>
>
> [1]He seemed like a decent chap and a perfectly good presenter, but the
> tone and format were all wrong for the slot.

Couldn’t stand his voice or style.

Sincerely Chris

On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 17:27:51 +0000, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 13:47:18 +0000, Nick Odell
><nick@themusicworkshop.plus.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 13:33:37 +0000, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 12:27:48 +0000, Jenny M Benson
>>><NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 25/02/2022 11:21, Penny wrote:
>>>>> A more basic query regarding Ukraine.
>>>>>
>>>>> I winced when I heard Joe Biden talk about Keev a few days ago.
>>>>> This morning I heard 3 (or maybe 4) subtly different pronunciations of the
>>>>> place. I'm not sure how the locals say it - presumably something close to
>>>>> Keev.
>>>>>
>>>>AIUI (with the usual caveats) is that the Ukranians call it Kyiv and
>>>>pronounce that Kee-eve. I think we're a bit behind the times in saying
>>>>Kee-ev.
>>>>
>>>>> When reporting in or about Paris, BBC people always say Paris - none of the
>>>>> locals do. I wish they'd make their collective mind up.
>>>>
>>>>My geography is hazy at best but I don't know how many foreign cities
>>>>have an Anglicised version of their names which is usually used when
>>>>English is being spoken by an English-speaker. I don't think many
>>>>English-speakers use the Welsh names of Welsh places. My sister lives
>>>>in Northop/Llaneurgain but I have never heard anyone refer to
>>>>Llaneurgain. Its church is dedicated to St Eurgain & St Peter but the
>>>>newish housing estate across the road is called St Peter's Park.
>>>>
>>>>(1) I once got 2% in a Geog exam and half of that was for putting my
>>>>name on the paper correctly.
>>>
>>>Because of the way the timetable was dne at my secondary school if I
>>>wanted to do German GCE, alowed as I was fluent already, I had to drop
>>>Geography. I didn't mind as am not neat and was bad at drawing maps
>>>and colouring them in neatly,which in the second year when we made
>>>coices seemed to be what Geography was about. I can just about locate
>>>the UK on a blank map of the world but not many other countries or
>>>capitols.
>>
>>Be fair to yourself Vicky, you've spent an awful lot of your time on
>>the 70% of the world map that is just coloured blue from which it must
>>have been awfully difficult to know where the green, brown and grey
>>bits were.
>>
>>Nick
>
>That made it worse! Going a shore with little idea of places. Also I
>have a very poor sense of direction so get lost easily. Life is an
>adventure.

Don't talk to me about sense of direction! I find places built on the
grid pattern to be the worst. Generals one way, presidents the other
or is it streets/avenues? Numbers/letters? I can very easily get lost
and find myself walking for miles in the wrong direction. For the last
few years I have been the proud owner of a nice Silva compass and I
(try to) always take it with me when I'm walking somewhere different.

Nick

On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 22:15:13 +0000, Nick Odell
<nick@themusicworkshop.plus.com> scrawled in the dust...

>Don't talk to me about sense of direction! I find places built on the
>grid pattern to be the worst. Generals one way, presidents the other
>or is it streets/avenues? Numbers/letters? I can very easily get lost
>and find myself walking for miles in the wrong direction. For the last
>few years I have been the proud owner of a nice Silva compass and I
>(try to) always take it with me when I'm walking somewhere different.

Interesting, I always assumed a grid layout would make navigation easier
but can see it may make every street look the same.

When intending to walk somewhere specific in London I would tear the
relevant pages out of the A-Z and put them in my pocket*. This avoided the
rookie error of travelling three stops (including a change of line) on the
tube, only to find I'd arrived just around the corner from where I started.

*This may sound like heresy (or do I mean vandalism?) but I didn't throw
the pages away - they would go with me on later trips - much simpler than
taking the whole book.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

On 24/02/2022 15:53, John Ashby wrote:
> On 24/02/2022 07:13, Sid Nuncius wrote:
>> Nugger.
>>
>
> Potential Topical Inserts for tonight:
> 1) Shula agonising over whether Dan will be sent off to fight the Russians.
> 2) Brian suggesting the UK should take as many Ukrainian refugees as
> possible proving they're all slaughterhouse workers to save Berrow.
> 3) Jenifffffer searching for an atlas to find out how many countries
> Putin will have to invade before he gets to Debbie.
>
> john

Can I just point out the similarity between my suggestion 2 and the
governments position that Ukrainians can apply for visas under the
seasonal agricultural workes scheme.

john

Does the Great Gate in Kyiv, as in Mussorgsky's composition, still stand?

Controversially restored from ruin in 1982, I read.

Tony Smith <agsmith578688@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Does the Great Gate in Kyiv, as in Mussorgsky's composition, still stand?
>
> Controversially restored from ruin in 1982, I read.
>

Or is it a little Ravel’d

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> wrote:
> Tony Smith <agsmith578688@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Does the Great Gate in Kyiv, as in Mussorgsky's composition, still stand?
>>
>> Controversially restored from ruin in 1982, I read.
>>
>
> Or is it a little Ravel’d
>

Picture The Hut on Fowl’s Legs, it has always sounded a little dodgy to me,
but I’ll say nothing more as I don’t want to make an Exhibition of myself.

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 at 11:35:15, Mike McMillan
<toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>Tony Smith <agsmith578688@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Does the Great Gate in Kyiv, as in Mussorgsky's composition, still stand?
>>
>> Controversially restored from ruin in 1982, I read.
>>
>
>Or is it a little Ravel’d
>
<GROAN!> OK, BTN (in the best spirit of BTNs!)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Do you want to be right, or friends?"
- a friend quoted by Vicky Ayech in UMRA, 2018-12-4

On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 11:35:15 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan wrote:

> Tony Smith <agsmith578688@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Does the Great Gate in Kyiv, as in Mussorgsky's composition, still
>> stand?
>>
>> Controversially restored from ruin in 1982, I read.
>>
>>
> Or is it a little Ravel’d

Like a sleeve of care?

It was thoroughly Emersoned, Laked and Palmered in 1970. I rather like
that version.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIVmG0VOtjc

Rosie

On 05/03/2022 12:12, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 at 11:35:15, Mike McMillan
> <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>> Tony Smith <agsmith578688@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Does the Great Gate in Kyiv, as in Mussorgsky's composition, still
>>> stand?
>>>
>>> Controversially restored from ruin in 1982, I read.
>>>
>>
>> Or is it a little Ravel’d
>>
> <GROAN!> OK, BTN (in the best spirit of BTNs!)

Accepted

john