I'm gifting my iPad Air 2 to someone who only uses a 'dumb' phone. If
they create an Apple ID will they be able to send/recieve iMessages on
the iPad (using their Apple ID email, I assume)?

Also, will the mesages still also be mirrored on their dumb phone - or
will the fact that they've been recieved by the iPad (as an iMessage)
mean they won't now show on the phone (I assume previously sent
iMessages came through as regular text messages - but now they'll be
'sent different').

Also, how will people know she can accept iMessages? Just by the
message bubble colour?

--
Cheers ... Mark

Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm gifting my iPad Air 2 to someone who only uses a 'dumb' phone. If
> they create an Apple ID will they be able to send/recieve iMessages on
> the iPad (using their Apple ID email, I assume)?
>
> Also, will the mesages still also be mirrored on their dumb phone - or
> will the fact that they've been recieved by the iPad (as an iMessage)
> mean they won't now show on the phone (I assume previously sent
> iMessages came through as regular text messages - but now they'll be
> 'sent different').
>
> Also, how will people know she can accept iMessages? Just by the
> message bubble colour?
>

iMessages should work OK to/from any Apple Idevice but won’t the dumb
phone have to be running iOS also? Presumably the dumb phone is non-Apple
and so non-iOS as I don’t recall Apple making such a device.

--
Cheers, Alan

On 2021-05-22 15:15:04 +0000, Alan B
<alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> said:

> Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm gifting my iPad Air 2 to someone who only uses a 'dumb' phone. If
>> they create an Apple ID will they be able to send/recieve iMessages on
>> the iPad (using their Apple ID email, I assume)?
>>
>> Also, will the mesages still also be mirrored on their dumb phone - or
>> will the fact that they've been recieved by the iPad (as an iMessage)
>> mean they won't now show on the phone (I assume previously sent
>> iMessages came through as regular text messages - but now they'll be
>> 'sent different').
>>
>> Also, how will people know she can accept iMessages? Just by the
>> message bubble colour?
>>
>
> iMessages should work OK to/from any Apple Idevice but won’t the dumb
> phone have to be running iOS also? Presumably the dumb phone is non-Apple
> and so non-iOS as I don’t recall Apple making such a device.

It's an old(ish) Nokia. I thought you (someone) could recieve iMessages
on a wifi Apple device if they had an Apple ID (email) - that iMessages
(coming from an Apple device) were 'smart' enough to deliver themselves
as a regular text message, or an iMessage (dependant on the recipients
device)?
--
Cheers ... Mark

Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2021-05-22 15:15:04 +0000, Alan B
> <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> said:
>
>> Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'm gifting my iPad Air 2 to someone who only uses a 'dumb' phone. If
>>> they create an Apple ID will they be able to send/recieve iMessages on
>>> the iPad (using their Apple ID email, I assume)?
>>>
>>> Also, will the mesages still also be mirrored on their dumb phone - or
>>> will the fact that they've been recieved by the iPad (as an iMessage)
>>> mean they won't now show on the phone (I assume previously sent
>>> iMessages came through as regular text messages - but now they'll be
>>> 'sent different').
>>>
>>> Also, how will people know she can accept iMessages? Just by the
>>> message bubble colour?
>>>
>>
>> iMessages should work OK to/from any Apple Idevice but won’t the dumb
>> phone have to be running iOS also? Presumably the dumb phone is non-Apple
>> and so non-iOS as I don’t recall Apple making such a device.
>
> It's an old(ish) Nokia. I thought you (someone) could recieve iMessages
> on a wifi Apple device if they had an Apple ID (email) - that iMessages
> (coming from an Apple device) were 'smart' enough to deliver themselves
> as a regular text message, or an iMessage (dependant on the recipients
> device)?

Mrs B and I tried something like that with her Samsung phone but had no
success. Maybe there is a way but I don’t know it, sorry :-(

--
Cheers, Alan

On 2021-05-22 15:50:14 +0000, Alan B
<alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> said:

> Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2021-05-22 15:15:04 +0000, Alan B
>> <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> said:
>>
>>> Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I'm gifting my iPad Air 2 to someone who only uses a 'dumb' phone. If
>>>> they create an Apple ID will they be able to send/recieve iMessages on
>>>> the iPad (using their Apple ID email, I assume)?
>>>>
>>>> Also, will the mesages still also be mirrored on their dumb phone - or
>>>> will the fact that they've been recieved by the iPad (as an iMessage)
>>>> mean they won't now show on the phone (I assume previously sent
>>>> iMessages came through as regular text messages - but now they'll be
>>>> 'sent different').
>>>>
>>>> Also, how will people know she can accept iMessages? Just by the
>>>> message bubble colour?
>>>>
>>>
>>> iMessages should work OK to/from any Apple Idevice but won’t the dumb
>>> phone have to be running iOS also? Presumably the dumb phone is non-Apple
>>> and so non-iOS as I don’t recall Apple making such a device.
>>
>> It's an old(ish) Nokia. I thought you (someone) could recieve iMessages
>> on a wifi Apple device if they had an Apple ID (email) - that iMessages
>> (coming from an Apple device) were 'smart' enough to deliver themselves
>> as a regular text message, or an iMessage (dependant on the recipients
>> device)?
>
> Mrs B and I tried something like that with her Samsung phone but had no
> success. Maybe there is a way but I don’t know it, sorry :-(

No worries. Not sure it's do-able!
--
Cheers ... Mark

Mark wrote:

[snip]

>
> It's an old(ish) Nokia. I thought you (someone) could recieve iMessages
> on a wifi Apple device if they had an Apple ID (email) - that iMessages
> (coming from an Apple device) were 'smart' enough to deliver themselves
> as a regular text message, or an iMessage (dependant on the recipients
> device)?

I think I've read here that a person with ***ONLY*** a dumb phone
capable of receiving SMS messages can receive iMessages sent from an
Apple device. The key is that the recipient details on the Apple device
in effect state explicitly that the recipient has only dumb SMS capability.

I think the info came from somebody planning to travel to north Africa.
When in the UK he receives iMessages on one or more iThings. When in
remote areas abroad whatever iPhone he has only works with SMS (this may
have been a limitation of the service in the remote area) so he wanted
to force people to send him SMS rather than iMessages. The only
solution was for him to get a separate phone capable only of SMS and
tell his correspondents the number of that phone.

--
Graham J

On 2021-05-22 16:48:50 +0000, Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> said:

> Mark wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>>
>> It's an old(ish) Nokia. I thought you (someone) could recieve iMessages
>> on a wifi Apple device if they had an Apple ID (email) - that iMessages
>> (coming from an Apple device) were 'smart' enough to deliver themselves
>> as a regular text message, or an iMessage (dependant on the recipients
>> device)?
>
>
> I think I've read here that a person with ***ONLY*** a dumb phone
> capable of receiving SMS messages can receive iMessages sent from an
> Apple device. The key is that the recipient details on the Apple
> device in effect state explicitly that the recipient has only dumb SMS
> capability.
>
> I think the info came from somebody planning to travel to north Africa.
> When in the UK he receives iMessages on one or more iThings. When in
> remote areas abroad whatever iPhone he has only works with SMS (this
> may have been a limitation of the service in the remote area) so he
> wanted to force people to send him SMS rather than iMessages. The only
> solution was for him to get a separate phone capable only of SMS and
> tell his correspondents the number of that phone.

I think that rings a bell (the post - maybe a few momths ago?) Hmmm...
I though that if a phone couldn't recieve an iMessage (even if it had
done so previously), the message was simply recieved as an SMS instead.
--
Cheers ... Mark

Mark wrote:

[snip]

> I think that rings a bell (the post - maybe a few momths ago?) Hmmm... I
> though that if a phone couldn't recieve an iMessage (even if it had done
> so previously), the message was simply recieved as an SMS instead.

No, I think the iMessage is sent over TCP/IP whereas the SMS uses the
native phone system.

--
Graham J

On 22/05/2021 15:12, Mark wrote:
> I'm gifting my iPad Air 2 to someone who only uses a 'dumb' phone. If
> they create an Apple ID will they be able to send/recieve iMessages on
> the iPad (using their Apple ID email, I assume)?

Yes, provided it is connected to wifi of course. They will only be able
to send & receive iMessages from other apple users with an Apple ID.

> Also, will the mesages still also be mirrored on their dumb phone - or
> will the fact that they've been recieved by the iPad (as an iMessage)
> mean they won't now show on the phone (I assume previously sent
> iMessages came through as regular text messages - but now they'll be
> 'sent different').

No, no and no. :-)

SMS messages sent to the phone number will only be received by the phone.

iMessages can be sent to the Apple ID email address. Also, iMessages can
be sent to the phone number (if one is associated with the Apple ID
account when it is created) but think of it just as a handy lookup to
get the Apple ID - the iMessage is still sent as if the AppleID had been
specified.

> Also, how will people know she can accept iMessages? Just by the message
> bubble colour?

An iPhone user doesn't need to know. The message will go via iMessage
first preference. The real problem is when they know that the recipient
has a dumb phone and they want to force an SMS to that phone. That's a PITA.

--
Bruce Horrocks
Surrey, England
(bruce at scorecrow dot com)

On 2021-05-22 20:54:31 +0000, Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> said:

> On 22/05/2021 15:12, Mark wrote:
>> I'm gifting my iPad Air 2 to someone who only uses a 'dumb' phone. If
>> they create an Apple ID will they be able to send/recieve iMessages on
>> the iPad (using their Apple ID email, I assume)?
>
> Yes, provided it is connected to wifi of course. They will only be able
> to send & receive iMessages from other apple users with an Apple ID.
>
>> Also, will the mesages still also be mirrored on their dumb phone - or
>> will the fact that they've been recieved by the iPad (as an iMessage)
>> mean they won't now show on the phone (I assume previously sent
>> iMessages came through as regular text messages - but now they'll be
>> 'sent different').
>
> No, no and no. :-)
>
> SMS messages sent to the phone number will only be received by the phone.
>
> iMessages can be sent to the Apple ID email address. Also, iMessages
> can be sent to the phone number (if one is associated with the Apple ID
> account when it is created) but think of it just as a handy lookup to
> get the Apple ID - the iMessage is still sent as if the AppleID had
> been specified.
>
>> Also, how will people know she can accept iMessages? Just by the
>> message bubble colour?
>
> An iPhone user doesn't need to know. The message will go via iMessage
> first preference. The real problem is when they know that the recipient
> has a dumb phone and they want to force an SMS to that phone. That's a
> PITA.

OK... thanks. I think this is going to be a dead-end. I'd like my
friend to have a more 'message-centric' way to keep in touch with
family/friends/colleagues but she is -very- techno-phobic and struggles
with tech a great deal. At the moment she spends an innordinate amount
of time writing texts 'the old way' (I'd forgotten what that was like!)
I thought the iPad might be a way to introduce her to this before
trying to move her to an iPhone.

--
Cheers ... Mark

Mark wrote:

[snip]
>
> OK... thanks. I think this is going to be a dead-end. I'd like my friend
> to have a more 'message-centric' way to keep in touch with
> family/friends/colleagues but she is -very- techno-phobic and struggles
> with tech a great deal. At the moment she spends an innordinate amount
> of time writing texts 'the old way' (I'd forgotten what that was like!)
> I thought the iPad might be a way to introduce her to this before trying
> to move her to an iPhone.

Do you mean with pen & paper?

I would have thought a phone and an iPad were similar in that neither
has a proper keyboard; in both cases it involves selecting individual
characters from a displayed keyboard of some sort. This would apply to
both SMS and emails. The view of received messages on an iPad would be
better, of course, because of the larger screen.

However a dumb phone is probably pocket-sized so has that advantage.

--
Graham J

Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:

> Mark wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> >
> > It's an old(ish) Nokia. I thought you (someone) could recieve iMessages
> > on a wifi Apple device if they had an Apple ID (email) - that iMessages
> > (coming from an Apple device) were 'smart' enough to deliver themselves
> > as a regular text message, or an iMessage (dependant on the recipients
> > device)?
>
>
> I think I've read here that a person with ***ONLY*** a dumb phone
> capable of receiving SMS messages can receive iMessages sent from an
> Apple device. The key is that the recipient details on the Apple device
> in effect state explicitly that the recipient has only dumb SMS capability.
>
> I think the info came from somebody planning to travel to north Africa.
> When in the UK he receives iMessages on one or more iThings. When in
> remote areas abroad whatever iPhone he has only works with SMS (this may
> have been a limitation of the service in the remote area) so he wanted
> to force people to send him SMS rather than iMessages. The only
> solution was for him to get a separate phone capable only of SMS and
> tell his correspondents the number of that phone.

Sounds like my issues whenever I travel to Namibia. Try searching for
"Namib desert" in your archive.

Daniele