On 24/10/2021 11:34 am, Xeno wrote:
> On 24/10/21 11:04 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 23/10/2021 7:20 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 23/10/21 10:13 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 23/10/2021 9:10 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 23/10/21 7:57 pm, Falscher Bruce wrote:
>>>>>> On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 7:57:42 PM UTC+8, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Only if you didn't need a lot of range.
>>>>>>> Fuel tank isn't all that big so if you needed more range you
>>>>>>> would need
>>>>>>> to find more space for batteries.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had a look at the lithium batteries online, somebody claiming
>>>>>> 300 Ah for their brand.
>>>>>> Might be able to squeeze 8 of them in, would only give about 30
>>>>>> kWh capacity, half of Tesla's 3 model.
>>>>>>
>>>>> It's not a matter of simply *squeezing them in*. Lithium battery
>>>>> cells need cooling, sometimes quite aggressive cooling at that.
>>>>> The Tesla has a complete pumped cooling system *just* for the
>>>>> lithium batteries alone.
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU-u-tUjsXo
>>>>> An effective battery thermal management system is absolute
>>>>> pre-requisite with lithium-ion batteries to manage battery
>>>>> temperatures to prevent degradation or thermal runaway. The object
>>>>> of a lithium-ion battery thermal management system is to keep
>>>>> battery temperatures in the range 20C - 30C. If the battery
>>>>> *environmental* temperature is lower than that, the performance
>>>>> will be degraded. At or below -5C the battery cannot be fast
>>>>> charged. At or below 0C the battery will lose charge which will
>>>>> result in a loss of power, acceleration and range.
>>>>> If the battery temperature exceeds 30C, battery performance will
>>>>> be degraded. Above 40C and the battery can suffer serious and
>>>>> irreversible damage. Above 70C there is a real risk of thermal
>>>>> runaway and you really don't want a thermal runaway in lithium-ion
>>>>> car batteries. It gets seriously nasty since the heat self-generates.
>>>>>
>>>>> The above is also the reason why a lot of electric car hobbyists
>>>>> use deep cycle lead acid batteries, much safer.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> sounds to me very much like there needs to be a better battery
>>>> solution before EV's become mainstream
>>>>
>>> Yes, I would say so. Lithium has benefits but it also has issues.
>>>
>>
>> 18650 batteries which make up the packs are also quite volatile
>> outside of their fairly strict operating parameters... and when one
>> goes up, the chain reaction ensures they all do. Hundreds of them.
>
> Indeed, one of the reasons a Tesla battery fire is the very devil to
> extinguish. It's a veritable Chernobyl sans radiation.
>

so Teslas are quite dangerous cars then

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On 24/10/2021 1:29 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 24/10/2021 11:34 am, Xeno wrote:
>> On 24/10/21 11:04 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 23/10/2021 7:20 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 23/10/21 10:13 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 23/10/2021 9:10 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/10/21 7:57 pm, Falscher Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 7:57:42 PM UTC+8, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Only if you didn't need a lot of range.
>>>>>>>> Fuel tank isn't all that big so if you needed more range you
>>>>>>>> would need
>>>>>>>> to find more space for batteries.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I had a look at the lithium batteries online, somebody claiming
>>>>>>> 300 Ah for their brand.
>>>>>>> Might be able to squeeze 8 of them in, would only give about 30
>>>>>>> kWh capacity, half of Tesla's 3 model.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not a matter of simply *squeezing them in*. Lithium battery
>>>>>> cells need cooling, sometimes quite aggressive cooling at that.
>>>>>> The Tesla has a complete pumped cooling system *just* for the
>>>>>> lithium batteries alone.
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU-u-tUjsXo
>>>>>> An effective battery thermal management system is absolute
>>>>>> pre-requisite with lithium-ion batteries to manage battery
>>>>>> temperatures to prevent degradation or thermal runaway. The object
>>>>>> of a lithium-ion battery thermal management system is to keep
>>>>>> battery temperatures in the range 20C - 30C. If the battery
>>>>>> *environmental* temperature is lower than that, the performance
>>>>>> will be degraded. At or below -5C the battery cannot be fast
>>>>>> charged. At or below 0C the battery will lose charge which will
>>>>>> result in a loss of power, acceleration and range.
>>>>>> If the battery temperature exceeds 30C, battery performance will
>>>>>> be degraded. Above 40C and the battery can suffer serious and
>>>>>> irreversible damage. Above 70C there is a real risk of thermal
>>>>>> runaway and you really don't want a thermal runaway in lithium-ion
>>>>>> car batteries. It gets seriously nasty since the heat self-generates.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The above is also the reason why a lot of electric car hobbyists
>>>>>> use deep cycle lead acid batteries, much safer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> sounds to me very much like there needs to be a better battery
>>>>> solution before EV's become mainstream
>>>>>
>>>> Yes, I would say so. Lithium has benefits but it also has issues.
>>>>
>>>
>>> 18650 batteries which make up the packs are also quite volatile
>>> outside of their fairly strict operating parameters... and when one
>>> goes up, the chain reaction ensures they all do. Hundreds of them.
>>
>> Indeed, one of the reasons a Tesla battery fire is the very devil to
>> extinguish. It's a veritable Chernobyl sans radiation.
>>
>
> so Teslas are quite dangerous cars then
>

Anything with Lithium batteries is potentially dangerous.

On 24/10/2021 5:14 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 24/10/2021 1:29 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 24/10/2021 11:34 am, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 24/10/21 11:04 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 23/10/2021 7:20 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 23/10/21 10:13 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/10/2021 9:10 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>> On 23/10/21 7:57 pm, Falscher Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 7:57:42 PM UTC+8, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Only if you didn't need a lot of range.
>>>>>>>>> Fuel tank isn't all that big so if you needed more range you
>>>>>>>>> would need
>>>>>>>>> to find more space for batteries.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I had a look at the lithium batteries online, somebody claiming
>>>>>>>> 300 Ah for their brand.
>>>>>>>> Might be able to squeeze 8 of them in, would only give about 30
>>>>>>>> kWh capacity, half of Tesla's 3 model.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's not a matter of simply *squeezing them in*. Lithium battery
>>>>>>> cells need cooling, sometimes quite aggressive cooling at that.
>>>>>>> The Tesla has a complete pumped cooling system *just* for the
>>>>>>> lithium batteries alone.
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU-u-tUjsXo
>>>>>>> An effective battery thermal management system is absolute
>>>>>>> pre-requisite with lithium-ion batteries to manage battery
>>>>>>> temperatures to prevent degradation or thermal runaway. The
>>>>>>> object of a lithium-ion battery thermal management system is to
>>>>>>> keep battery temperatures in the range 20C - 30C. If the battery
>>>>>>> *environmental* temperature is lower than that, the performance
>>>>>>> will be degraded. At or below -5C the battery cannot be fast
>>>>>>> charged. At or below 0C the battery will lose charge which will
>>>>>>> result in a loss of power, acceleration and range.
>>>>>>> If the battery temperature exceeds 30C, battery performance will
>>>>>>> be degraded. Above 40C and the battery can suffer serious and
>>>>>>> irreversible damage. Above 70C there is a real risk of thermal
>>>>>>> runaway and you really don't want a thermal runaway in
>>>>>>> lithium-ion car batteries. It gets seriously nasty since the
>>>>>>> heat self-generates.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The above is also the reason why a lot of electric car hobbyists
>>>>>>> use deep cycle lead acid batteries, much safer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sounds to me very much like there needs to be a better battery
>>>>>> solution before EV's become mainstream
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I would say so. Lithium has benefits but it also has issues.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 18650 batteries which make up the packs are also quite volatile
>>>> outside of their fairly strict operating parameters... and when one
>>>> goes up, the chain reaction ensures they all do. Hundreds of them.
>>>
>>> Indeed, one of the reasons a Tesla battery fire is the very devil to
>>> extinguish. It's a veritable Chernobyl sans radiation.
>>>
>>
>> so Teslas are quite dangerous cars then
>>
>
> Anything with Lithium batteries is potentially dangerous.

I suppose before too long there will be electric motorbikes. imagine how
lethal they'll be given the performance electric power is capable of

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- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 18:23:53 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:

> On 24/10/2021 5:14 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 24/10/2021 1:29 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 24/10/2021 11:34 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 24/10/21 11:04 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 23/10/2021 7:20 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/10/21 10:13 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 23/10/2021 9:10 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 23/10/21 7:57 pm, Falscher Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 7:57:42 PM UTC+8, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Only if you didn't need a lot of range.
>>>>>>>>>> Fuel tank isn't all that big so if you needed more range you
>>>>>>>>>> would need
>>>>>>>>>> to find more space for batteries.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I had a look at the lithium batteries online, somebody claiming
>>>>>>>>> 300 Ah for their brand.
>>>>>>>>> Might be able to squeeze 8 of them in, would only give about 30
>>>>>>>>> kWh capacity, half of Tesla's 3 model.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's not a matter of simply *squeezing them in*. Lithium battery
>>>>>>>> cells need cooling, sometimes quite aggressive cooling at that.
>>>>>>>> The Tesla has a complete pumped cooling system *just* for the
>>>>>>>> lithium batteries alone.
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU-u-tUjsXo
>>>>>>>> An effective battery thermal management system is absolute
>>>>>>>> pre-requisite with lithium-ion batteries to manage battery
>>>>>>>> temperatures to prevent degradation or thermal runaway. The
>>>>>>>> object of a lithium-ion battery thermal management system is to
>>>>>>>> keep battery temperatures in the range 20C - 30C. If the battery
>>>>>>>> *environmental* temperature is lower than that, the performance
>>>>>>>> will be degraded. At or below -5C the battery cannot be fast
>>>>>>>> charged. At or below 0C the battery will lose charge which will
>>>>>>>> result in a loss of power, acceleration and range.
>>>>>>>> If the battery temperature exceeds 30C, battery performance will
>>>>>>>> be degraded. Above 40C and the battery can suffer serious and
>>>>>>>> irreversible damage. Above 70C there is a real risk of thermal
>>>>>>>> runaway and you really don't want a thermal runaway in
>>>>>>>> lithium-ion car batteries. It gets seriously nasty since the
>>>>>>>> heat self-generates.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The above is also the reason why a lot of electric car hobbyists
>>>>>>>> use deep cycle lead acid batteries, much safer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sounds to me very much like there needs to be a better battery
>>>>>>> solution before EV's become mainstream
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I would say so. Lithium has benefits but it also has issues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 18650 batteries which make up the packs are also quite volatile
>>>>> outside of their fairly strict operating parameters... and when one
>>>>> goes up, the chain reaction ensures they all do. Hundreds of them.
>>>>
>>>> Indeed, one of the reasons a Tesla battery fire is the very devil to
>>>> extinguish. It's a veritable Chernobyl sans radiation.
>>>>
>>>
>>> so Teslas are quite dangerous cars then
>>>
>>
>> Anything with Lithium batteries is potentially dangerous.
>
> I suppose before too long there will be electric motorbikes. imagine how
> lethal they'll be given the performance electric power is capable of

Interesting. Don't bikes already have different levels of licence? If so,
I'd imagine the guvmint would create a new Class for a high performance
EBikes.

Aside: Ultra performance electric cars and bikes are going to make the
camerapersons at F1 & MotoGP earn their money...

alvey

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On 26/10/2021 5:23 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 24/10/2021 5:14 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 24/10/2021 1:29 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 24/10/2021 11:34 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 24/10/21 11:04 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 23/10/2021 7:20 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/10/21 10:13 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 23/10/2021 9:10 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 23/10/21 7:57 pm, Falscher Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 7:57:42 PM UTC+8, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Only if you didn't need a lot of range.
>>>>>>>>>> Fuel tank isn't all that big so if you needed more range you
>>>>>>>>>> would need
>>>>>>>>>> to find more space for batteries.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I had a look at the lithium batteries online, somebody claiming
>>>>>>>>> 300 Ah for their brand.
>>>>>>>>> Might be able to squeeze 8 of them in, would only give about 30
>>>>>>>>> kWh capacity, half of Tesla's 3 model.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's not a matter of simply *squeezing them in*. Lithium battery
>>>>>>>> cells need cooling, sometimes quite aggressive cooling at that.
>>>>>>>> The Tesla has a complete pumped cooling system *just* for the
>>>>>>>> lithium batteries alone.
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU-u-tUjsXo
>>>>>>>> An effective battery thermal management system is absolute
>>>>>>>> pre-requisite with lithium-ion batteries to manage battery
>>>>>>>> temperatures to prevent degradation or thermal runaway. The
>>>>>>>> object of a lithium-ion battery thermal management system is to
>>>>>>>> keep battery temperatures in the range 20C - 30C. If the battery
>>>>>>>> *environmental* temperature is lower than that, the performance
>>>>>>>> will be degraded. At or below -5C the battery cannot be fast
>>>>>>>> charged. At or below 0C the battery will lose charge which will
>>>>>>>> result in a loss of power, acceleration and range.
>>>>>>>> If the battery temperature exceeds 30C, battery performance will
>>>>>>>> be degraded. Above 40C and the battery can suffer serious and
>>>>>>>> irreversible damage. Above 70C there is a real risk of thermal
>>>>>>>> runaway and you really don't want a thermal runaway in
>>>>>>>> lithium-ion car batteries. It gets seriously nasty since the
>>>>>>>> heat self-generates.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The above is also the reason why a lot of electric car hobbyists
>>>>>>>> use deep cycle lead acid batteries, much safer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sounds to me very much like there needs to be a better battery
>>>>>>> solution before EV's become mainstream
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I would say so. Lithium has benefits but it also has issues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 18650 batteries which make up the packs are also quite volatile
>>>>> outside of their fairly strict operating parameters... and when one
>>>>> goes up, the chain reaction ensures they all do. Hundreds of them.
>>>>
>>>> Indeed, one of the reasons a Tesla battery fire is the very devil to
>>>> extinguish. It's a veritable Chernobyl sans radiation.
>>>>
>>>
>>> so Teslas are quite dangerous cars then
>>>
>>
>> Anything with Lithium batteries is potentially dangerous.
>
>
> I suppose before too long there will be electric motorbikes. imagine how
> lethal they'll be given the performance electric power is capable of
>
Already done

https://luxe.digital/lifestyle/cars/best-electric-motorcycles/

On 26/10/21 8:27 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 26/10/2021 5:23 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 24/10/2021 5:14 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 24/10/2021 1:29 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 24/10/2021 11:34 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 24/10/21 11:04 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/10/2021 7:20 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>> On 23/10/21 10:13 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 23/10/2021 9:10 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 23/10/21 7:57 pm, Falscher Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 7:57:42 PM UTC+8, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Only if you didn't need a lot of range.
>>>>>>>>>>> Fuel tank isn't all that big so if you needed more range you
>>>>>>>>>>> would need
>>>>>>>>>>> to find more space for batteries.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I had a look at the lithium batteries online, somebody
>>>>>>>>>> claiming 300 Ah for their brand.
>>>>>>>>>> Might be able to squeeze 8 of them in, would only give about
>>>>>>>>>> 30 kWh capacity, half of Tesla's 3 model.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's not a matter of simply *squeezing them in*. Lithium
>>>>>>>>> battery cells need cooling, sometimes quite aggressive cooling
>>>>>>>>> at that. The Tesla has a complete pumped cooling system *just*
>>>>>>>>> for the lithium batteries alone.
>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU-u-tUjsXo
>>>>>>>>> An effective battery thermal management system is absolute
>>>>>>>>> pre-requisite with lithium-ion batteries to manage battery
>>>>>>>>> temperatures to prevent degradation or thermal runaway. The
>>>>>>>>> object of a lithium-ion battery thermal management system is to
>>>>>>>>> keep battery temperatures in the range 20C - 30C. If the
>>>>>>>>> battery *environmental* temperature is lower than that, the
>>>>>>>>> performance will be degraded. At or below -5C the battery
>>>>>>>>> cannot be fast charged. At or below 0C the battery will lose
>>>>>>>>> charge which will result in a loss of power, acceleration and
>>>>>>>>> range.
>>>>>>>>> If the battery temperature exceeds 30C, battery performance
>>>>>>>>> will be degraded. Above 40C and the battery can suffer serious
>>>>>>>>> and irreversible damage. Above 70C there is a real risk of
>>>>>>>>> thermal runaway and you really don't want a thermal runaway in
>>>>>>>>> lithium-ion car batteries. It gets seriously nasty since the
>>>>>>>>> heat self-generates.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The above is also the reason why a lot of electric car
>>>>>>>>> hobbyists use deep cycle lead acid batteries, much safer.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> sounds to me very much like there needs to be a better battery
>>>>>>>> solution before EV's become mainstream
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, I would say so. Lithium has benefits but it also has issues.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 18650 batteries which make up the packs are also quite volatile
>>>>>> outside of their fairly strict operating parameters... and when
>>>>>> one goes up, the chain reaction ensures they all do. Hundreds of
>>>>>> them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed, one of the reasons a Tesla battery fire is the very devil
>>>>> to extinguish. It's a veritable Chernobyl sans radiation.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> so Teslas are quite dangerous cars then
>>>>
>>>
>>> Anything with Lithium batteries is potentially dangerous.
>>
>>
>> I suppose before too long there will be electric motorbikes. imagine
>> how lethal they'll be given the performance electric power is capable of
>>
> Already done
>
> https://luxe.digital/lifestyle/cars/best-electric-motorcycles/

I first saw an electric motorcycle around 10yrs ago, belonged to a
customer we did a solar install for so they have been around for a while.

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On 19/10/2021 10:11 am, Clocky wrote:
> It's a thing.
>
> https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2021-10-18/converting-classic-cars-to-electric-vehicles/100533104
>
It looks like it's going mainstream in the US

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/11/custom-electric-cars-take-charge-at-sema-2021/

On 4/11/2021 12:43 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 19/10/2021 10:11 am, Clocky wrote:
>> It's a thing.
>>
>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2021-10-18/converting-classic-cars-to-electric-vehicles/100533104
>>
> It looks like it's going mainstream in the US
>
> https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/11/custom-electric-cars-take-charge-at-sema-2021/

It's certainly a popular topic at the moment, but I don't know about
"mainstream". Sema is one of the biggest after-market automotive trade
conventions on the planet (if not *the* biggest), with around 10
thousand different attractions competing for business attention. I'n
sure retro EV is generating an interest, but claiming it's "going
mainstream" is stretching it a tad.

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On 4/11/21 1:21 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 4/11/2021 12:43 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 19/10/2021 10:11 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> It's a thing.
>>>
>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2021-10-18/converting-classic-cars-to-electric-vehicles/100533104
>>>
>> It looks like it's going mainstream in the US
>>
>> https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/11/custom-electric-cars-take-charge-at-sema-2021/
>
>
> It's certainly a popular topic at the moment, but I don't know about
> "mainstream". Sema is one of the biggest after-market automotive trade
> conventions on the planet (if not *the* biggest), with around 10

How would you know Darren? Next you'll be claiming you've actually been
there and attended *all* the shows.

> thousand different attractions competing for business attention. I'n
> sure retro EV is generating an interest, but claiming it's "going
> mainstream" is stretching it a tad.

Mainstream amongst rodders and modders, maybe. Mainstream in a
commercial sense, meh!

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On 4/11/2021 10:21 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 4/11/2021 12:43 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 19/10/2021 10:11 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> It's a thing.
>>>
>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2021-10-18/converting-classic-cars-to-electric-vehicles/100533104
>>>
>> It looks like it's going mainstream in the US
>>
>> https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/11/custom-electric-cars-take-charge-at-sema-2021/
>
>
> It's certainly a popular topic at the moment, but I don't know about
> "mainstream". Sema is one of the biggest after-market automotive trade
> conventions on the planet (if not *the* biggest), with around 10
> thousand different attractions competing for business attention.

Well done, you can Google.

I'n
> sure retro EV is generating an interest, but claiming it's "going
> mainstream" is stretching it a tad.
>
>
>

EV is getting a lot of attention and gaining traction everywhere. Your
denial is irrelevant.

On 4/11/2021 9:43 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 19/10/2021 10:11 am, Clocky wrote:
>> It's a thing.
>>
>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2021-10-18/converting-classic-cars-to-electric-vehicles/100533104
>>
> It looks like it's going mainstream in the US
>
> https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/11/custom-electric-cars-take-charge-at-sema-2021/
>

Yep, people recognise the future when they see it. I quite like the idea.