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* Definition of road accident?Peter Jason
+* Re: Definition of road accident?Rod Speed
|`* Re: Definition of road accident?Peter Jason
| `* Re: Definition of road accident?Phil Allison
|  `* Re: Definition of road accident?Peter Jason
|   `- Re: Definition of road accident?Phil Allison
`* Re: Definition of road accident?Sylvia Else
 `- Re: Definition of road accident?Peter Jason

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 by: Peter Jason - Wed, 10 Aug 2022 21:05 UTC

If a cyclist swerves to avoid a car and so falls over damaging his
bicycle, is the car involved in this "accident", and is the motorist
obliged to stop?

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From: rod.spee...@gmail.com (Rod Speed)
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Subject: Re: Definition of road accident?
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 by: Rod Speed - Wed, 10 Aug 2022 23:10 UTC

Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote

> If a cyclist swerves to avoid a car and so falls over damaginghis
> bicycle, is the car involved in this "accident",

Yes.

> and is the motorist obliged to stop?

Yes.

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 by: Peter Jason - Thu, 11 Aug 2022 00:43 UTC

On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 09:10:21 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>
>> If a cyclist swerves to avoid a car and so falls over damaginghis
>> bicycle, is the car involved in this "accident",
>
>Yes.
>
>> and is the motorist obliged to stop?
>
>Yes.

Jeeezuz; can you be less verbose?

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 by: Phil Allison - Thu, 11 Aug 2022 01:43 UTC

Peter Jason Wog LIAR wrote:
==========+++++=======

> >> If a cyclist swerves to avoid a car and so falls over damaginghis
> >> bicycle, is the car involved in this "accident",
> >
> >Yes.
> >
> >> and is the motorist obliged to stop?
> >
> >Yes.
> Jeeezuz; can you be less verbose?

** Can you act less like a FUCKING TROLL ??

........ Phil

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 by: Sylvia Else - Thu, 11 Aug 2022 05:45 UTC

On 11-Aug-22 7:05 am, Peter Jason wrote:
> If a cyclist swerves to avoid a car and so falls over damaging his
> bicycle, is the car involved in this "accident", and is the motorist
> obliged to stop?

The difficult word here is "involved" which I think you realised. On a
brief search, I haven't found any case law to help.

I think the word would be found to encompass this situation, so that the
car is involved.

The get-out for the driver if they don't stop is that they didn't know
about the incident, and therefore had a reasonable belief that there was
nothing that they had been involved in. This is a reasonable belief
about the facts, and would be a defence in law.

This is distinct from knowing about the incident, but believing that
they were not involved in it, where the latter might arise from a
misunderstanding of the legal meaning of "involved" which would not be a
defence.

Sylvia

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 by: Peter Jason - Thu, 11 Aug 2022 06:05 UTC

On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 18:43:30 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
<pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

>Peter Jason Wog LIAR wrote:
>==========+++++=======
>
>> >> If a cyclist swerves to avoid a car and so falls over damaginghis
>> >> bicycle, is the car involved in this "accident",
>> >
>> >Yes.
>> >
>> >> and is the motorist obliged to stop?
>> >
>> >Yes.
>> Jeeezuz; can you be less verbose?
>
>
>** Can you act less like a FUCKING TROLL ??

I am no Troll! Anyway trolls can have some useful input and tend to
be sensitive creatures usually mauled by your sort. Better start
trembling 'cause I'm sending round the Pied Piper, & he's piping fit!

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 by: Peter Jason - Thu, 11 Aug 2022 06:17 UTC

On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 15:45:19 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
wrote:

>On 11-Aug-22 7:05 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>> If a cyclist swerves to avoid a car and so falls over damaging his
>> bicycle, is the car involved in this "accident", and is the motorist
>> obliged to stop?
>
>The difficult word here is "involved" which I think you realised. On a
>brief search, I haven't found any case law to help.
>
>I think the word would be found to encompass this situation, so that the
>car is involved.
>
>The get-out for the driver if they don't stop is that they didn't know
>about the incident, and therefore had a reasonable belief that there was
>nothing that they had been involved in. This is a reasonable belief
>about the facts, and would be a defence in law.
>
>This is distinct from knowing about the incident, but believing that
>they were not involved in it, where the latter might arise from a
>misunderstanding of the legal meaning of "involved" which would not be a
>defence.
>
>Sylvia

I ask because of the plethora of small motor-bikes, scooters,
motorized skateboards etc whizzing around everywhere, with a number of
close shaves seen.

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 by: Phil Allison - Thu, 11 Aug 2022 06:48 UTC

Peter Jason Wog LIAR wrote:
==========+++++=======
>
> >> >> If a cyclist swerves to avoid a car and so falls over damaginghis
> >> >> bicycle, is the car involved in this "accident",
> >> >
> >> >Yes.
> >> >
> >> >> and is the motorist obliged to stop?
> >> >
> >> >Yes.
> >> Jeeezuz; can you be less verbose?
> >
> >
> >** Can you act less like a FUCKING TROLL ??

> I am no Troll!

** YOU have never been **anything** but one of the very worst.

> Anyway trolls can have some useful input

** ONLY a fuckwit wog troll would say that.

....... Phil

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