nospam wrote:
> In article <t0illj$gkb$1@dont-email.me>, jbrennand
> <brennand@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> On the old machine its showing ~250 GB of photos in there so I will bite
>> the bullet and copy all of that onto a spare SSD drive and then copy it
>> to the newer machine. will let it go overnight again.
>
> if the photos didn't copy, then there might be other stuff that didn't
> copy, which is not a good thing.

Is there someting equivalent to Robocopy for PC which will copy all new
and changed files from source filesystem to destination filesystem, and
create a log to show which files were copied and which were not?

--
Graham J

On 12/03/2022 16:52, jbrennand wrote:
> On 08/03/2022 16:27, jbrennand wrote:
>> I posted a few months ago about how to increase storage for my
>> daughters early-2011 13" MBPro - currently running 10.13.6.  The
>> consensus view was to just fit a bigger SSD.  I have a TM backup from
>> around Christmas and dont want to do that again beforehand as all
>> that's been added are photos and these are also on her phone too.
>>
>> Long story short, she (well me.. !) are ready to do this now.
>> However, that laptop has other issues (age related!) that means I am
>> donating my pristine mid-2012 model to her in exchange  :-(
>>
>> So just checking if this plan is correct...
>>
>> Clean up her 600GB HD and then use CCC to transfer it to the new
>> Crucial TB SSD drive which will be in an Icy box enclosure on a (slow)
>> USB connection. Start the cloning - wait ~10 hours (!?)then do the
>> physical swap over.
>>
>> Or is there any any advantage in doing it another way (swapping the
>> dives first before cloning)?
>>
>> Any other tips and gotcha's very welcome
>>
>> Cheers JohnB
>
> OK thanks to all (particularly nospam)....  20 hours later the data had
> migrated using Migration Assistant
>
> Fired up the Pro with the 2TB drive and find that it still has 1.91TB
> available ! What happened? I cant see her 500GB of photo's anywhere. Did
> they not migrate - if not why not - and why did it take 20 hours?

The above two statements don't make sense. What do you mean when you say
"fired up the Pro"? It should already have been "fired up" and running
Migration Assistant.

> Where should the library of Photos be?  Are they still in the cloud?
>
> They will still be on the old machine of course, but I am beginning to
> wish I hadn't offered to help!
>
> Any thoughts appreciated.
>
> JohnB
>
>
>

--
Bruce Horrocks
Surrey, England

In article <t0iurg$t7u$1@dont-email.me>, Graham J
<nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:

> Is there someting equivalent to Robocopy for PC which will copy all new
> and changed files from source filesystem to destination filesystem, and
> create a log to show which files were copied and which were not?

carbon copy cloner

<https://bombich.com>

nospam wrote:
> In article <t0iurg$t7u$1@dont-email.me>, Graham J
> <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Is there someting equivalent to Robocopy for PC which will copy all new
>> and changed files from source filesystem to destination filesystem, and
>> create a log to show which files were copied and which were not?
>
> carbon copy cloner
>
> <https://bombich.com>

So perhaps the OP should use this to copy all his files from the old
machine to the new one? The logs should then show what failed and why.

--
Graham J

On 12/03/2022 22:05, Bruce Horrocks wrote:

>>
>> OK thanks to all (particularly nospam)....  20 hours later the data
>> had migrated using Migration Assistant
>>
>> Fired up the Pro with the 2TB drive and find that it still has 1.91TB
>> available ! What happened? I cant see her 500GB of photo's anywhere.
>> Did they not migrate - if not why not - and why did it take 20 hours?
>
> The above two statements don't make sense. What do you mean when you say
> "fired up the Pro"? It should already have been "fired up" and running
> Migration Assistant.

What I meant was that....

20 hours later after Migration Assistant had done its transfer. When I
restarted the "new" Pro it had 1.91 TB of space left - so where was the
data that was transferred.

On 13/03/2022 12:27, jbrennand wrote:
> On 12/03/2022 22:05, Bruce Horrocks wrote:
>
>>>
>>> OK thanks to all (particularly nospam)....  20 hours later the data
>>> had migrated using Migration Assistant
>>>
>>> Fired up the Pro with the 2TB drive and find that it still has 1.91TB
>>> available ! What happened? I cant see her 500GB of photo's anywhere.
>>> Did they not migrate - if not why not - and why did it take 20 hours?
>>
>> The above two statements don't make sense. What do you mean when you
>> say "fired up the Pro"? It should already have been "fired up" and
>> running Migration Assistant.
>
>
> What I meant was that....
>
> 20 hours later after Migration Assistant had done its transfer.  When I
> restarted the "new" Pro it had 1.91 TB of space left - so where was the
> data that was transferred.

Ah I see.

Migration Assistant writes to system.log which you can view using the
Console application. However restarting before checking first may have
lost the info. :-(

Hopefully not and there may be something in there as to why it couldn't
read and/or save the photos.

--
Bruce Horrocks
Surrey, England

On 12/03/2022 16:52, jbrennand wrote:

> They will still be on the old machine of course, but I am beginning to
> wish I hadn't offered to help!
>
> Any thoughts appreciated.
>
> JohnB

OK - update. Photos all transferred fine... and after the Photo library
updated they are all there and visible on the "new" MBP... Phew!

However, the music is invisible! I transferred the whole iTunes folder
from the old hard drive to the Music folder and its there.... alongside
anoth folder called Music that has "Media" and Music Library in there.

So I think this is because the "new" HD is running Catalina and not High
Sierra and so the default folder for "Music" will be the Music folder
and not the iTunes folder.

So whats the easiest way to correct this? Move the files across? Rename
folders? Point the Music App to the Tunes folder? Re-import from the
old HD into the correct Catalina folder? Something else?

Thanks in advance for digging me out of my hole !

Johnb

On 13/03/2022 15:32, jbrennand wrote:
> On 12/03/2022 16:52, jbrennand wrote:
>
>> They will still be on the old machine of course, but I am beginning to
>> wish I hadn't offered to help!
>>
>> Any thoughts appreciated.
>>
>> JohnB
>
> OK - update.  Photos all transferred fine... and after the Photo library
> updated they are all there and visible on the "new" MBP... Phew!
>
> However, the music is invisible! I transferred the whole iTunes folder
> from the old hard drive to the Music folder and its there.... alongside
> anoth folder called Music that has "Media" and Music Library in there.
>
> So I think this is because the "new" HD is running Catalina and not High
> Sierra and so the default folder for "Music" will be the Music folder
> and not the iTunes folder.
>
> So whats the easiest way to correct this?  Move the files across? Rename
> folders? Point the Music App to the Tunes folder?  Re-import from the
> old HD into the correct Catalina folder?  Something else?
>
> Thanks in advance for digging me out of my hole !
>
> Johnb
>
Think I have it sorted.. I selected the old .itl file and all seems to
be appearing nicely... I can relax and pull the cork out now :-)

On 13/03/2022 15:32, jbrennand wrote:
> On 12/03/2022 16:52, jbrennand wrote:
>
>> They will still be on the old machine of course, but I am beginning to
>> wish I hadn't offered to help!
>>
>> Any thoughts appreciated.
>>
>> JohnB
>
> OK - update.  Photos all transferred fine... and after the Photo library
> updated they are all there and visible on the "new" MBP... Phew!
>
> However, the music is invisible! I transferred the whole iTunes folder
> from the old hard drive to the Music folder and its there.... alongside
> anoth folder called Music that has "Media" and Music Library in there.
>
> So I think this is because the "new" HD is running Catalina and not High
> Sierra and so the default folder for "Music" will be the Music folder
> and not the iTunes folder.
>
> So whats the easiest way to correct this?  Move the files across? Rename
> folders? Point the Music App to the Tunes folder?  Re-import from the
> old HD into the correct Catalina folder?  Something else?

The Music app in Catalina can store its databases in one place, and
using Preferences > Files > Music Media folder location you can tell it
the files are all organised and stored somewhere else.

I'm doing that with the media on my NAS. Oddly, it hasn't found some of
the files on my NAS even though they're entirely readable etc. I'm not
sure how to fix that, but the File > Library > Organise Library >
Consolidate Files option looks tempting.

--
Chris

On 08/03/2022 16:27, jbrennand wrote:
> I posted a few months ago about how to increase storage for my daughters
> early-2011 13" MBPro - currently running 10.13.6.  The consensus view
> was to just fit a bigger SSD.  I have a TM backup from around Christmas
> and dont want to do that again beforehand as all that's been added are
> photos and these are also on her phone too.

One last annoyance. Her "Notes" haven't transferred to the new HD. Its
a big deal as she uses them a lot (several hundred in there!).

I think its a Synching/storage issue in iCloud. She never knowingly
uses the cloud. I just had a look and her 5GB is fully used - 14kb left!

Notes is synched to her cloud on the laptop and iPhone - but the notes
showing on the phone and old HD are not appearing on the new HD?

Tried turning Sync off and back on - no joy. I will try and get her to
free some space in the cloud.

I tried copying the "Notes" folder from the old HD (user>library, etc..)
but that didnt work.

All thoughts/ideas appreciated

thanks JohnB

On 14/03/2022 13:43, jbrennand wrote:
> On 08/03/2022 16:27, jbrennand wrote:
>> I posted a few months ago about how to increase storage for my
>> daughters early-2011 13" MBPro - currently running 10.13.6.  The
>> consensus view was to just fit a bigger SSD.  I have a TM backup from
>> around Christmas and dont want to do that again beforehand as all
>> that's been added are photos and these are also on her phone too.
>
> One last annoyance.  Her "Notes" haven't transferred to the new HD.  Its
> a big deal as she uses them a lot (several hundred in there!).
>
> I think its a Synching/storage issue in iCloud.  She never knowingly
> uses the cloud.  I just had a look and her 5GB is fully used - 14kb left!
>
> Notes is synched to her cloud on the laptop and iPhone - but the notes
> showing on the phone and old HD are not appearing on the new HD?
>
> Tried turning Sync off and back on - no joy.  I will try and get her to
> free some space in the cloud.
>
> I tried copying the "Notes" folder from the old HD (user>library, etc..)
> but that didnt work.
>
> All thoughts/ideas appreciated
>
> thanks JohnB

The computer with the new HD needs to have the same AppleID as her phone
if she wishes to access her old Notes.

HTH

David

On 14/03/2022 14:08, David Brooks wrote:
> On 14/03/2022 13:43, jbrennand wrote:
>> On 08/03/2022 16:27, jbrennand wrote:
>>> I posted a few months ago about how to increase storage for my
>>> daughters early-2011 13" MBPro - currently running 10.13.6.  The
>>> consensus view was to just fit a bigger SSD.  I have a TM backup from
>>> around Christmas and dont want to do that again beforehand as all
>>> that's been added are photos and these are also on her phone too.
>>
>> One last annoyance.  Her "Notes" haven't transferred to the new HD.
>> Its a big deal as she uses them a lot (several hundred in there!).
>>
>> I think its a Synching/storage issue in iCloud.  She never knowingly
>> uses the cloud.  I just had a look and her 5GB is fully used - 14kb left!
>>
>> Notes is synched to her cloud on the laptop and iPhone - but the notes
>> showing on the phone and old HD are not appearing on the new HD?
>>
>> Tried turning Sync off and back on - no joy.  I will try and get her
>> to free some space in the cloud.
>>
>> I tried copying the "Notes" folder from the old HD (user>library,
>> etc..) but that didnt work.
>>
>> All thoughts/ideas appreciated
>>
>> thanks JohnB
>
> The computer with the new HD needs to have the same AppleID as her phone
> if she wishes to access her old Notes.
>
> HTH
>
> David

Thanks David... Numpty question... how do I find/change the AppleID -
and can 2 Macs have the same ID ?

JohnB

On 14/03/2022 14:19, jbrennand wrote:
> On 14/03/2022 14:08, David Brooks wrote:
>> On 14/03/2022 13:43, jbrennand wrote:
>>> On 08/03/2022 16:27, jbrennand wrote:
>>>> I posted a few months ago about how to increase storage for my
>>>> daughters early-2011 13" MBPro - currently running 10.13.6.  The
>>>> consensus view was to just fit a bigger SSD.  I have a TM backup
>>>> from around Christmas and dont want to do that again beforehand as
>>>> all that's been added are photos and these are also on her phone too.
>>>
>>> One last annoyance.  Her "Notes" haven't transferred to the new HD.
>>> Its a big deal as she uses them a lot (several hundred in there!).
>>>
>>> I think its a Synching/storage issue in iCloud.  She never knowingly
>>> uses the cloud.  I just had a look and her 5GB is fully used - 14kb
>>> left!
>>>
>>> Notes is synched to her cloud on the laptop and iPhone - but the
>>> notes showing on the phone and old HD are not appearing on the new HD?
>>>
>>> Tried turning Sync off and back on - no joy.  I will try and get her
>>> to free some space in the cloud.
>>>
>>> I tried copying the "Notes" folder from the old HD (user>library,
>>> etc..) but that didnt work.
>>>
>>> All thoughts/ideas appreciated
>>>
>>> thanks JohnB
>>
>> The computer with the new HD needs to have the same AppleID as her
>> phone if she wishes to access her old Notes.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> David
>
> Thanks David... Numpty question... how do I find/change the AppleID -
> and can 2 Macs have the same ID ?

Hi John

This item is 'from the horses mouth' so to speak!

https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT203993

I have the same AppleID on my iPhone, iPad Pro, my iMac and iPod.

Right now I have Linux Mint installed and running on my old 24 inch iMac
so do not need an AppleID on it (but I think I did some while ago now!)

Good luck,

David

On 2022-03-14, jbrennand <brennand@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> On 08/03/2022 16:27, jbrennand wrote:
>> I posted a few months ago about how to increase storage for my daughters
>> early-2011 13" MBPro - currently running 10.13.6.  The consensus view
>> was to just fit a bigger SSD.  I have a TM backup from around Christmas
>> and dont want to do that again beforehand as all that's been added are
>> photos and these are also on her phone too.
>
> One last annoyance. Her "Notes" haven't transferred to the new HD. Its
> a big deal as she uses them a lot (several hundred in there!).
>
> I think its a Synching/storage issue in iCloud. She never knowingly
> uses the cloud. I just had a look and her 5GB is fully used - 14kb left!
>
> Notes is synched to her cloud on the laptop and iPhone - but the notes
> showing on the phone and old HD are not appearing on the new HD?
>
> Tried turning Sync off and back on - no joy. I will try and get her to
> free some space in the cloud.
>
> I tried copying the "Notes" folder from the old HD (user>library, etc..)
> but that didnt work.
>
> All thoughts/ideas appreciated

She needs to sign in with her existing AppleId on the "new" Mac via
System Preferences. Notes and other cloud stuff should then sync but
give it time.

--
Cheers, Alan

On 14/03/2022 15:41, Alan B wrote:
> On 2022-03-14, jbrennand <brennand@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> On 08/03/2022 16:27, jbrennand wrote:
>>> I posted a few months ago about how to increase storage for my daughters
>>> early-2011 13" MBPro - currently running 10.13.6.  The consensus view
>>> was to just fit a bigger SSD.  I have a TM backup from around Christmas
>>> and dont want to do that again beforehand as all that's been added are
>>> photos and these are also on her phone too.
>>
>> One last annoyance. Her "Notes" haven't transferred to the new HD. Its
>> a big deal as she uses them a lot (several hundred in there!).
>>
>> I think its a Synching/storage issue in iCloud. She never knowingly
>> uses the cloud. I just had a look and her 5GB is fully used - 14kb left!
>>
>> Notes is synched to her cloud on the laptop and iPhone - but the notes
>> showing on the phone and old HD are not appearing on the new HD?
>>
>> Tried turning Sync off and back on - no joy. I will try and get her to
>> free some space in the cloud.
>>
>> I tried copying the "Notes" folder from the old HD (user>library, etc..)
>> but that didnt work.
>>
>> All thoughts/ideas appreciated
>
> She needs to sign in with her existing AppleId on the "new" Mac via
> System Preferences. Notes and other cloud stuff should then sync but
> give it time.
>
And, if that doesn't work you could always try investing a couple of quid in a
larger icloud storage plan. Easy enough to cancel whenever you want and it
might give a solution...

On 14/03/2022 15:41, Alan B wrote:
> On 2022-03-14, jbrennand <brennand@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> On 08/03/2022 16:27, jbrennand wrote:
>>> I posted a few months ago about how to increase storage for my daughters
>>> early-2011 13" MBPro - currently running 10.13.6.  The consensus view
>>> was to just fit a bigger SSD.  I have a TM backup from around Christmas
>>> and dont want to do that again beforehand as all that's been added are
>>> photos and these are also on her phone too.
>>
>> One last annoyance. Her "Notes" haven't transferred to the new HD. Its
>> a big deal as she uses them a lot (several hundred in there!).
>>
>> I think its a Synching/storage issue in iCloud. She never knowingly
>> uses the cloud. I just had a look and her 5GB is fully used - 14kb left!
>>
>> Notes is synched to her cloud on the laptop and iPhone - but the notes
>> showing on the phone and old HD are not appearing on the new HD?
>>
>> Tried turning Sync off and back on - no joy. I will try and get her to
>> free some space in the cloud.
>>
>> I tried copying the "Notes" folder from the old HD (user>library, etc..)
>> but that didnt work.
>>
>> All thoughts/ideas appreciated
>
> She needs to sign in with her existing AppleId on the "new" Mac via
> System Preferences. Notes and other cloud stuff should then sync but
> give it time.
>
There's the Rub... She is signed in on both Macs an 2 days later
nothing has sync'd.

JohnB

On 2022-03-14, David Kennedy <davidkennedygm@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 14/03/2022 15:41, Alan B wrote:
>> On 2022-03-14, jbrennand <brennand@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>> On 08/03/2022 16:27, jbrennand wrote:
>>>> I posted a few months ago about how to increase storage for my daughters
>>>> early-2011 13" MBPro - currently running 10.13.6.  The consensus view
>>>> was to just fit a bigger SSD.  I have a TM backup from around Christmas
>>>> and dont want to do that again beforehand as all that's been added are
>>>> photos and these are also on her phone too.
>>>
>>> One last annoyance. Her "Notes" haven't transferred to the new HD. Its
>>> a big deal as she uses them a lot (several hundred in there!).
>>>
>>> I think its a Synching/storage issue in iCloud. She never knowingly
>>> uses the cloud. I just had a look and her 5GB is fully used - 14kb left!
>>>
>>> Notes is synched to her cloud on the laptop and iPhone - but the notes
>>> showing on the phone and old HD are not appearing on the new HD?
>>>
>>> Tried turning Sync off and back on - no joy. I will try and get her to
>>> free some space in the cloud.
>>>
>>> I tried copying the "Notes" folder from the old HD (user>library, etc..)
>>> but that didnt work.
>>>
>>> All thoughts/ideas appreciated
>>
>> She needs to sign in with her existing AppleId on the "new" Mac via
>> System Preferences. Notes and other cloud stuff should then sync but
>> give it time.
>>
> And, if that doesn't work you could always try investing a couple of quid in a
> larger icloud storage plan. Easy enough to cancel whenever you want and it
> might give a solution...

Yes I pay a measly sum every month to get 50GB!

Notes -> Preferences should have the default account set to iCloud on
all devices.

--
Cheers, Alan

On 14/03/2022 16:21, jbrennand wrote:
> On 14/03/2022 15:41, Alan B wrote:
>> On 2022-03-14, jbrennand <brennand@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>> On 08/03/2022 16:27, jbrennand wrote:
>>>> I posted a few months ago about how to increase storage for my
>>>> daughters
>>>> early-2011 13" MBPro - currently running 10.13.6.  The consensus view
>>>> was to just fit a bigger SSD.  I have a TM backup from around Christmas
>>>> and dont want to do that again beforehand as all that's been added are
>>>> photos and these are also on her phone too.
>>>
>>> One last annoyance.  Her "Notes" haven't transferred to the new HD.  Its
>>> a big deal as she uses them a lot (several hundred in there!).
>>>
>>> I think its a Synching/storage issue in iCloud.  She never knowingly
>>> uses the cloud.  I just had a look and her 5GB is fully used - 14kb
>>> left!
>>>
>>> Notes is synched to her cloud on the laptop and iPhone - but the notes
>>> showing on the phone and old HD are not appearing on the new HD?
>>>
>>> Tried turning Sync off and back on - no joy.  I will try and get her to
>>> free some space in the cloud.
>>>
>>> I tried copying the "Notes" folder from the old HD (user>library, etc..)
>>> but that didnt work.
>>>
>>> All thoughts/ideas appreciated
>>
>> She needs to sign in with her existing AppleId on the "new" Mac via
>> System Preferences. Notes and other cloud stuff should then sync but
>> give it time.
>>
> There's the Rub...  She is signed in on both Macs an 2 days later
> nothing has sync'd.

Just to make life complicated, there are two types of Notes - iCloud
ones and IMAP ones linked to any non-Apple email accounts.

So, on the Mac, go into System Preferences -> Internet Accounts and look
in each email account (iCloud plus any others) and see whether the "Use
with Notes" box is ticked.

Secondly, Notes are only synced when email is synced. Great if your
settings are 'push' not so great if manual. So go onto the phone and
manually sync email then do the same on the Mac.

--
Bruce Horrocks
Surrey, England

On 2022-03-14, Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:

[snip]

> Just to make life complicated, there are two types of Notes - iCloud
> ones and IMAP ones linked to any non-Apple email accounts.
>
> So, on the Mac, go into System Preferences -> Internet Accounts and look
> in each email account (iCloud plus any others) and see whether the "Use
> with Notes" box is ticked.
>
> Secondly, Notes are only synced when email is synced. Great if your
> settings are 'push' not so great if manual. So go onto the phone and
> manually sync email then do the same on the Mac.

That explains why my Notes don't always sync immediately!

--
Cheers, Alan

On 08/03/2022 16:27, jbrennand wrote:

>
> Clean up her 600GB HD and then use CCC to transfer it to the new Crucial
> TB SSD drive which will be in an Icy box enclosure on a (slow) USB
> connection. Start the cloning - wait ~10 hours (!?)then do the physical
> swap over.

>
> Cheers JohnB

OK.. the Migration Assistant approach to this was a total dogs breakfast
- as the follow up posts below testify.

So I have just wiped the new HD clean and used CCC to transfer it again
(as above). Took about 7 hours for the 600GB. Put the new HD into the
better MBP and it was perfect.

Everything copied just fine ... seamless.

Lesson learned !

Thanks again for everyone's input

JohnB