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 by: john curzon - Wed, 16 Nov 2022 19:07 UTC

My 2002 corolla 1.6 L road tax shot up to £265 a year recently.
My Neighbour has a 2005 2.0 litre diesel jaguar. He tells me he pays less than that with his road tax. Is he winding me up or what is the way i can find if DVLA aare charging me the right amount. Thanks

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 by: Robin - Wed, 16 Nov 2022 19:37 UTC

On 16/11/2022 19:07, john curzon wrote:
> My 2002 corolla 1.6 L road tax shot up to £265 a year recently.
> My Neighbour has a 2005 2.0 litre diesel jaguar. He tells me he pays less than that with his road tax. Is he winding me up or what is the way i can find if DVLA aare charging me the right amount. Thanks

https://carfueldata.vehicle-certification-agency.gov.uk/

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 by: alan_m - Wed, 16 Nov 2022 19:50 UTC

On 16/11/2022 19:07, john curzon wrote:
> My 2002 corolla 1.6 L road tax shot up to £265 a year recently.
> My Neighbour has a 2005 2.0 litre diesel jaguar. He tells me he pays less than that with his road tax. Is he winding me up or what is the way i can find if DVLA aare charging me the right amount. Thanks

https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-tax-rate-tables/rates-for-cars-registered-on-or-after-1-march-2001

Its down to Co2 emission

A 2L Jaguar 2001 to 2010 has tax rates between £180 and £220 depending
on engine

A 2002 Corolla 1.6 has tax rates between £265 and £330

Obviously you have a more polluting car. The 2L diesel version of your
car has a tax rate of £220.

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 by: john curzon - Thu, 17 Nov 2022 12:10 UTC

On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 7:50:12 PM UTC, alan_m wrote:
> On 16/11/2022 19:07, john curzon wrote:
> > My 2002 corolla 1.6 L road tax shot up to £265 a year recently.
> > My Neighbour has a 2005 2.0 litre diesel jaguar. He tells me he pays less than that with his road tax. Is he winding me up or what is the way i can find if DVLA aare charging me the right amount. Thanks
> https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-tax-rate-tables/rates-for-cars-registered-on-or-after-1-march-2001
>
> Its down to Co2 emission
>
> A 2L Jaguar 2001 to 2010 has tax rates between £180 and £220 depending
> on engine
>
> A 2002 Corolla 1.6 has tax rates between £265 and £330
>
> Obviously you have a more polluting car. The 2L diesel version of your
> car has a tax rate of £220.
>
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So what doesn't make much sense to me to me is that the neighbour's Diesel Jaguar emission is 152g/km and my petrol corolla is 168g/km so his emission is *lower* than mine. Yet i am allowed in the Ultra Low Emission Zone on the inside of the north circular while he is not allowed in without paying a charge.

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 by: alan_m - Thu, 17 Nov 2022 13:18 UTC

On 17/11/2022 12:10, john curzon wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 7:50:12 PM UTC, alan_m wrote:
>> On 16/11/2022 19:07, john curzon wrote:
>>> My 2002 corolla 1.6 L road tax shot up to £265 a year recently.
>>> My Neighbour has a 2005 2.0 litre diesel jaguar. He tells me he pays less than that with his road tax. Is he winding me up or what is the way i can find if DVLA aare charging me the right amount. Thanks
>> https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-tax-rate-tables/rates-for-cars-registered-on-or-after-1-march-2001
>>
>> Its down to Co2 emission
>>
>> A 2L Jaguar 2001 to 2010 has tax rates between £180 and £220 depending
>> on engine
>>
>> A 2002 Corolla 1.6 has tax rates between £265 and £330
>>
>> Obviously you have a more polluting car. The 2L diesel version of your
>> car has a tax rate of £220.
>>
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>
> _____________________________________________________________________________________________
>
> So what doesn't make much sense to me to me is that the neighbour's Diesel Jaguar emission is 152g/km and my petrol corolla is 168g/km so his emission is *lower* than mine. Yet i am allowed in the Ultra Low Emission Zone on the inside of the north circular while he is not allowed in without paying a charge.

Different exhaust products - particulates and not just Co2? Heavy black
smoke from diesels that have not been maintained.

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The ULEZ is enforced based on the declared emissions of the vehicle
rather than the age. However:

Petrol cars that meet the ULEZ standards are generally those
first registered with the DVLA after 2005, although cars that meet the
standards have been available since 2001

Diesel cars that meet the standards are generally those first
registered with the DVLA after September 2015
/Quote

Your car has probably just squeezed into the first category whereas your
neighbour is 10 years too early.

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 by: Peter Hill - Thu, 17 Nov 2022 15:26 UTC

On 16/11/2022 19:37, Robin wrote:
> On 16/11/2022 19:07, john curzon wrote:
>> My 2002 corolla 1.6 L road tax shot up to £265 a year recently.
>> My Neighbour has a 2005  2.0 litre diesel jaguar.  He tells me he pays
>> less than that with his road tax.  Is he winding me up or what is the
>> way i can find if DVLA aare charging me the right amount.     Thanks
>
>
> https://carfueldata.vehicle-certification-agency.gov.uk/
>

I had a 2002 Mazda 323F GXi automatic, petrol 1.6L, 205 g/km. The road
tax for that would be £360.

I now have a 2016 Infiniti Q30 1.5 DCi city black, Diesel, 103 g/km.
Road tax £20.

If I had made the mistake of buying a March 2017 onwards model the road
tax would be £165. It is also just new enough to have ULEZ. The Mazda
and Infiniti have very similar performance, same insurance bands, but
CO2 emissions of the Diesel are half of the petrol car.

I also have a 1994 Nissan 200SX 1809cc road tax £295. In 12 more years
it will be tax free. I have a 1988 project called "Donor", it will be
worth swapping all the bits back in 6 years time, I'll save £1770.

There is an anomaly of very low tax rates for emissions less than 120
g/km, starting from March 2001, ending at April 2017. The lower C02
emission tax bands covers a lot of Diesels. The treasury was going broke
from loss of car tax revenue.

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/buying-and-selling-guides/car-tax-bands-explained/

Taxation bands are based on CO2 emissions, Diesels produce less CO2
green house gas which is why there was a huge drive to move people to
using Diesels and the low tax for older Diesels. Since then the
increased emissions of Oxides of Nitrogen have been killing people. So
now we have ULEZ emission charging zones and higher tax on Diesels. The
push to get Diesels into those low tax bands led to Dieselgate.

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 by: alan_m - Thu, 17 Nov 2022 17:05 UTC

On 17/11/2022 15:26, Peter Hill wrote:
> On 16/11/2022 19:37, Robin wrote:
>> On 16/11/2022 19:07, john curzon wrote:
>>> My 2002 corolla 1.6 L road tax shot up to £265 a year recently.
>>> My Neighbour has a 2005  2.0 litre diesel jaguar.  He tells me he
>>> pays less than that with his road tax.  Is he winding me up or what
>>> is the way i can find if DVLA aare charging me the right amount.
>>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> https://carfueldata.vehicle-certification-agency.gov.uk/
>>
>
> I had a 2002 Mazda 323F GXi automatic, petrol 1.6L, 205 g/km. The road
> tax for that would be £360.
>
> I now have a 2016 Infiniti Q30 1.5 DCi city black, Diesel, 103 g/km.
> Road tax £20.
>
> If I had made the mistake of buying a March 2017 onwards model the road
> tax would be £165. It is also just new enough to have ULEZ. The Mazda
> and Infiniti have very similar performance, same insurance bands, but
> CO2 emissions of the Diesel are half of the petrol car.
>

A friend has a 2016 with a very low road tax. I think maybe at the time
a car with a stop/start engine (at traffic lights etc.) was mistakenly
believed, by politicians, to be less populating. By 2017 the chancellor
had changed his mind.

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 by: alan_m - Thu, 17 Nov 2022 19:11 UTC

On 17/11/2022 17:05, alan_m wrote:
> On 17/11/2022 15:26, Peter Hill wrote:
>> On 16/11/2022 19:37, Robin wrote:
>>> On 16/11/2022 19:07, john curzon wrote:
>>>> My 2002 corolla 1.6 L road tax shot up to £265 a year recently.
>>>> My Neighbour has a 2005  2.0 litre diesel jaguar.  He tells me he
>>>> pays less than that with his road tax.  Is he winding me up or what
>>>> is the way i can find if DVLA aare charging me the right amount. Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> https://carfueldata.vehicle-certification-agency.gov.uk/
>>>
>>
>> I had a 2002 Mazda 323F GXi automatic, petrol 1.6L, 205 g/km. The road
>> tax for that would be £360.
>>
>> I now have a 2016 Infiniti Q30 1.5 DCi city black, Diesel, 103 g/km.
>> Road tax £20.
>>
>> If I had made the mistake of buying a March 2017 onwards model the
>> road tax would be £165. It is also just new enough to have ULEZ. The
>> Mazda and Infiniti have very similar performance, same insurance
>> bands, but CO2 emissions of the Diesel are half of the petrol car.
>>
>
> A friend has a 2016 with a very low road tax. I think maybe at the time
> a car with a stop/start engine (at traffic lights etc.) was mistakenly
> believed, by politicians, to be less populating. By 2017 the chancellor
> had changed his mind.
>

Spell chuckers and not looking at what they suggest

.... to be less polluting

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 by: Abandoned_Trolley - Thu, 17 Nov 2022 20:15 UTC

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> A friend has a 2016 with a very low road tax. I think maybe at the time
> a car with a stop/start engine (at traffic lights etc.) was mistakenly
> believed, by politicians, to be less populating. By 2017 the chancellor
> had changed his mind.
>

Maybe stop /start systems have been with us a bit longer than you think.

Some VW Passat and Polo Formel E models were fitted with them starting
in the early 80s, and I dont suppose they were the first.

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 by: Dave Plowman (News) - Fri, 18 Nov 2022 15:18 UTC

In article <e1841393-541e-4774-b167-bb2635efbe02n@googlegroups.com>,
john curzon <kirbyx95@gmail.com> wrote:
> So what doesn't make much sense to me to me is that the neighbour's
> Diesel Jaguar emission is 152g/km and my petrol corolla is 168g/km so
> his emission is *lower* than mine. Yet i am allowed in the Ultra Low
> Emission Zone on the inside of the north circular while he is not
> allowed in without paying a charge

Different criteria. VED is based only on CO2 emissions. ULEZ on emissions
other than CO2. If the ULEZ was based on CO2, all large vehicles would
fail.

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 by: Theo - Sun, 20 Nov 2022 12:20 UTC

alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> A friend has a 2016 with a very low road tax. I think maybe at the time
> a car with a stop/start engine (at traffic lights etc.) was mistakenly
> believed, by politicians, to be less populating. By 2017 the chancellor
> had changed his mind.

The Chancellor (Mr Osborne) changed his mind that VED would be a flat tax
irrespective of CO2, which took effect from 2017. You get a £10 discount
for having a hybrid and that's it. From 2025 even electric cars will pay
the same rate of VED. (There is an additional £355 VED cost for the first 5
years if the purchase price was >£50k)

It seems like older cars won't be on that scheme, so you can have a new
electric car and be paying £165pa, or an old diesel and be paying £20pa.

Theo

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 by: alan_m - Sun, 20 Nov 2022 13:53 UTC

On 20/11/2022 12:20, Theo wrote:
> alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> A friend has a 2016 with a very low road tax. I think maybe at the time
>> a car with a stop/start engine (at traffic lights etc.) was mistakenly
>> believed, by politicians, to be less populating. By 2017 the chancellor
>> had changed his mind.
>
> The Chancellor (Mr Osborne) changed his mind that VED would be a flat tax
> irrespective of CO2, which took effect from 2017. You get a £10 discount
> for having a hybrid and that's it. From 2025 even electric cars will pay
> the same rate of VED. (There is an additional £355 VED cost for the first 5
> years if the purchase price was >£50k)
>
> It seems like older cars won't be on that scheme, so you can have a new
> electric car and be paying £165pa, or an old diesel and be paying £20pa.
>
> Theo

But something happened in 2016 where car tax was very low (for some new
cars?) for that year, and ongoing for those car. For the same make/model
of car registered a year later the tax rate was lot higher.

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From: theom+n...@chiark.greenend.org.uk (Theo)
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 by: Theo - Mon, 21 Nov 2022 16:10 UTC

alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> But something happened in 2016 where car tax was very low (for some new
> cars?) for that year, and ongoing for those car. For the same make/model
> of car registered a year later the tax rate was lot higher.

It wasn't anything new, it was just that more cars were released into the lowest
CO2 brackets. Up to 120g/km and the tax is £30 or less, then for the 10g it
jumps to £135.

On 1 April 2017 the CO2 banding was completely done away with and everyone
pays a flat tax regardless of CO2, with a £10 discount for hybrid (and
currently a 100% discount for electric). The only difference CO2 made was
in the first year's tax payment (£0 to £2365). There was an additional
£355pa for the first 5 years if the car was more than £40k at time of
purchase.

For example, on a Golf the tax is £0 to £30 before the change and £165
after:
https://www.parkers.co.uk/volkswagen/golf/hatchback-2013/car-tax/
Some of the diesels qualified for the lowest £0 bracket because they came in
just under 100g/km.

Theo

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 by: Brian - Tue, 22 Nov 2022 10:30 UTC

alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On 17/11/2022 15:26, Peter Hill wrote:
>> On 16/11/2022 19:37, Robin wrote:
>>> On 16/11/2022 19:07, john curzon wrote:
>>>> My 2002 corolla 1.6 L road tax shot up to £265 a year recently.
>>>> My Neighbour has a 2005  2.0 litre diesel jaguar.  He tells me he
>>>> pays less than that with his road tax.  Is he winding me up or what
>>>> is the way i can find if DVLA aare charging me the right amount.
>>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> https://carfueldata.vehicle-certification-agency.gov.uk/
>>>
>>
>> I had a 2002 Mazda 323F GXi automatic, petrol 1.6L, 205 g/km. The road
>> tax for that would be £360.
>>
>> I now have a 2016 Infiniti Q30 1.5 DCi city black, Diesel, 103 g/km.
>> Road tax £20.
>>
>> If I had made the mistake of buying a March 2017 onwards model the road
>> tax would be £165. It is also just new enough to have ULEZ. The Mazda
>> and Infiniti have very similar performance, same insurance bands, but
>> CO2 emissions of the Diesel are half of the petrol car.
>>
>
> A friend has a 2016 with a very low road tax. I think maybe at the time
> a car with a stop/start engine (at traffic lights etc.) was mistakenly
> believed, by politicians, to be less populating. By 2017 the chancellor
> had changed his mind.
>

We had a Smart Car.

As it’s CO2 emissions (98g) were under some limit, it was “tax free”.

Our 4x4 hybrid emits just under half as much CO2 (47g) ( ignoring the
electricity power station emissions). It is taxed.

The ULEZ is even more of a joke. We had a Mazda MX5, even though it was a
1999 one, it’s emissions were very low when tested. BUT the model isn’t on
the approved list. There must be countless similar cases. ( ULEZ isn’t CO2
based.)

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 by: RJH - Tue, 22 Nov 2022 16:32 UTC

On 18 Nov 2022 at 15:18:48 GMT, "Dave Plowman wrote:

> In article <e1841393-541e-4774-b167-bb2635efbe02n@googlegroups.com>,
> john curzon <kirbyx95@gmail.com> wrote:
>> So what doesn't make much sense to me to me is that the neighbour's
>> Diesel Jaguar emission is 152g/km and my petrol corolla is 168g/km so
>> his emission is *lower* than mine. Yet i am allowed in the Ultra Low
>> Emission Zone on the inside of the north circular while he is not
>> allowed in without paying a charge
>
> Different criteria. VED is based only on CO2 emissions. ULEZ on emissions
> other than CO2. If the ULEZ was based on CO2, all large vehicles would
> fail.

Was in central London the other day. Have to say, the air seemed much cleaner
than when I lived there (to 2005), and seemingly better than Sheffield.

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