On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 10:38:59 +0100, "Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Are we talking directly under, or the next cupboard along?
> I think it would be asking for trouble to have a dishwasher and its socket
>under a sink.
> You can of course get waterproof housings with lids, but I'd not trust one
>myself.
> How long is the dishwasher mains lead, as it obviously has to be legal to
>put the socket within reach of the device.
> Brian

This would be my commonsense approach also.

On 06/10/2022 07:18, Mark Carver wrote:
> On 05/10/2022 18:47, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>
>> Or hold something capable of spraying water a considerable distance.
>>
> I've got something that does that, though it's not pure water

... and you use it in the kitchen?

On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 14:09:53 +0100, Tim Lamb
<tim@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <thmb22$1vq0$2@gioia.aioe.org>, Andrew
><Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com> writes
>>On 06/10/2022 08:18, Mark Carver wrote:
>>> On 05/10/2022 18:47, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Or hold something capable of spraying water a considerable distance.
>>>>
>>> I've got something that does that, though it's not pure water
>>>
>>
>>That will change considerably with age :-)
>
>Lucky to get beyond your feet:-(

I remember at my primary school there were four sets of toilets: the
big boys' and wee boys' toilets in one block and the big girls' and
wee girls' toilets in the other.

At one stage work was needed in the girls' block and the boys were
told to use the big boys' toilets and the girls the wee boys' toilet.
The wall between the two sections was only partial and did not reach
the ceiling. Someone worked out it was possible to piss over the wall
on to the girls' heads. Of course they could never find out who the
culprit was!

On 06/10/2022 09:40, Scott wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 17:00:57 +0100, ARW
> <adamwadsworth@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 05/10/2022 16:52, Scott wrote:
>>> On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 08:26:21 -0700 (PDT), Phil <philmacleod5@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is to any one out there who knows what the safety rulings are in the UK for installing an electrical socket under my new sink to power the dishwasher? I always was told that this should never be the case, as it is dangerous!! Should I ask my electrician to move it to a safer place? Many thanks. Phil Macleod in the North east of England.
>>>
>>> I would say whatever the regulations permit, it would clearly be safer
>>> to relocate the socket away from water. I would ask for it to be
>>> removed anyway for peace of mind.
>>
>> And whilst you are at it you might as well remove the kitchen lights
>> that are under the bathroom;-)
>>
>> A socket under the sink is absolutely fine.
>
> Nothing can be 'absolutely fine'. The risk is low but why create an
> unnecessary risk at all?

So long as you apply a little common sense (like not fitting the socket
directly under pipework), there no risk that you would not have with a
socket anywhere. One could argue you are less likely to splash water in
a cupboard in a kitchen than you are somewhere else in a kitchen that
might be near a socket on a wall.

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On 06/10/2022 10:38, Brian Gaff wrote:
> Are we talking directly under, or the next cupboard along?
> I think it would be asking for trouble to have a dishwasher and its socket
> under a sink.
> You can of course get waterproof housings with lids, but I'd not trust one
> myself.
> How long is the dishwasher mains lead, as it obviously has to be legal to
> put the socket within reach of the device.
> Brian

Socket on the wall behind the dishwasher[1], with a separate isolation
switch above worktop level is one way, or a socket in an adjacent
cupboard (that may have a sink over it!) is also common. You don't
necessarily need the idolater if the socket is easy to reach.

[1] I wired a neighbours cooker like that when I rewired their house.
She managed to trip the RCD by spraying copious amounts of flash on the
tiles above the cooker, such that it ran down the wall, and eventually
soaked into the plug connected to the socket.

With hindsight, socket in the adjacent cupboard would have probably been
better!

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On 06/10/2022 10:38, Brian Gaff wrote:
> Are we talking directly under, or the next cupboard along?
> I think it would be asking for trouble to have a dishwasher and its socket
> under a sink.
> You can of course get waterproof housings with lids, but I'd not trust one
> myself.
> How long is the dishwasher mains lead, as it obviously has to be legal to
> put the socket within reach of the device.
> Brian

Socket on the wall behind the dishwasher[1], with a separate isolation
switch above worktop level is one way, or a socket in an adjacent
cupboard (that may have a sink over it!) is also common. You don't
necessarily need the idolater if the socket is easy to reach.

[1] I wired a neighbours cooker like that when I rewired their house.
She managed to trip the RCD by spraying copious amounts of flash on the
tiles above the cooker, such that it ran down the wall, and eventually
soaked into the plug connected to the socket.

With hindsight, socket in the adjacent cupboard would have probably been
better!

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On 06/10/2022 15:21, Mike Clarke wrote:
> On 06/10/2022 07:18, Mark Carver wrote:
>> On 05/10/2022 18:47, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>>
>>> Or hold something capable of spraying water a considerable distance.
>>>
>> I've got something that does that, though it's not pure water
>
> .. and you use it in the kitchen?

Whenever he goes to piss in the sink it's full of his wife's dirty dishes.

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On Thu, 06 Oct 2022 22:49:52 +1100, Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk>
wrote:

> On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 11:32:31 +0100, "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>
>> "Scott" <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:cpatjhl3ithp1ff6ne3fo4cgna4r6h55cp@4ax.com...
>>>>> >And whilst you are at it you might as well remove the kitchen lights
>>>>> >that are under the bathroom;-)
>>
>> Don't joke!

> I did not write this.

He didn't say you did. Count the >s

> Please attribute to the correct poster.

He did.

On Fri, 07 Oct 2022 03:38:02 +1100, zall <zall7dr@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 06 Oct 2022 22:49:52 +1100, Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 11:32:31 +0100, "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> "Scott" <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:cpatjhl3ithp1ff6ne3fo4cgna4r6h55cp@4ax.com...
>>>>>> >And whilst you are at it you might as well remove the kitchen lights
>>>>>> >that are under the bathroom;-)
>>>
>>> Don't joke!
>
>> I did not write this.
>
>He didn't say you did. Count the >s
>
>> Please attribute to the correct poster.
>
>He did.

And that was???

On 06/10/2022 15:33, Scott wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 14:09:53 +0100, Tim Lamb
> <tim@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> In message <thmb22$1vq0$2@gioia.aioe.org>, Andrew
>> <Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com> writes
>>> On 06/10/2022 08:18, Mark Carver wrote:
>>>> On 05/10/2022 18:47, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Or hold something capable of spraying water a considerable distance.
>>>>>
>>>> I've got something that does that, though it's not pure water
>>>>
>>>
>>> That will change considerably with age :-)
>>
>> Lucky to get beyond your feet:-(
>
> I remember at my primary school there were four sets of toilets: the
> big boys' and wee boys' toilets in one block and the big girls' and
> wee girls' toilets in the other.
>
> At one stage work was needed in the girls' block and the boys were
> told to use the big boys' toilets and the girls the wee boys' toilet.
> The wall between the two sections was only partial and did not reach
> the ceiling. Someone worked out it was possible to piss over the wall
> on to the girls' heads. Of course they could never find out who the
> culprit was!

You would not believe some of the electrical criminal damage we used to
do when I was at school.

It's a good job they did not have CCTV in schools in my day.

One of the favourites was holding the lightswitch that powered the
fluorescents in the half on half off position so that it made a buzzing
sound and eventually started to smoke.

Inserting 13A plugs with a LN short across them was another favourite.

On 06/10/2022 18:54, ARW wrote:
> On 06/10/2022 15:33, Scott wrote:
>> On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 14:09:53 +0100, Tim Lamb
>> <tim@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> In message <thmb22$1vq0$2@gioia.aioe.org>, Andrew
>>> <Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com> writes
>>>> On 06/10/2022 08:18, Mark Carver wrote:
>>>>> On 05/10/2022 18:47, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or hold something capable of spraying water a considerable distance.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I've got something that does that, though it's not pure water
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That will change considerably with age :-)
>>>
>>> Lucky to get beyond your feet:-(
>>
>> I remember at my primary school there were four sets of toilets: the
>> big boys' and wee boys' toilets in one block and the big girls' and
>> wee girls' toilets in the other.
>>
>> At one stage work was needed in the girls' block and the boys were
>> told to use the big boys' toilets and the girls the wee boys' toilet.
>> The wall between the two sections was only partial and did not reach
>> the ceiling.  Someone worked out it was possible to piss over the wall
>> on to the girls' heads.  Of course they could never find out who the
>> culprit was!
>
>
> You would not believe some of the electrical criminal damage we used to
> do when I was at school.
>
> It's a good job they did not have CCTV in schools in my day.
>
> One of the favourites was holding the lightswitch that powered the
> fluorescents in the half on half off position so that it made a buzzing
> sound and eventually started to smoke.
>
> Inserting 13A plugs with a LN short across them was another favourite.
>

One 'interesting' kid stole lots of light bulbs from around the school
and filled up the toilet cistern with them (the type that is above head
height and periodically flushed the boys urinals).

One day another athletic lad decided to climb up the flush pipe
to see how many were up there and the whole lot crashed down onto the
floor and smashed to pieces. This was a heavy ceramic cistern too.

mains water pissing out everywhere

On 06/10/2022 16:48, Max Demian wrote:
> On 06/10/2022 15:21, Mike Clarke wrote:
>> On 06/10/2022 07:18, Mark Carver wrote:
>>> On 05/10/2022 18:47, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Or hold something capable of spraying water a considerable distance.
>>>>
>>> I've got something that does that, though it's not pure water
>>
>> .. and you use it in the kitchen?
>
> Whenever he goes to piss in the sink it's full of his wife's dirty
> dishes.
>
Don't be silly, we've got a dishwasher, and I've just measured, its 13A
socket is indeed 300mm horizontally away from the tap column.

On 2022-10-06, ARW wrote:

> On 06/10/2022 15:33, Scott wrote:
>> On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 14:09:53 +0100, Tim Lamb
>> <tim@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> In message <thmb22$1vq0$2@gioia.aioe.org>, Andrew
>>> <Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com> writes
>>>> On 06/10/2022 08:18, Mark Carver wrote:
>>>>> On 05/10/2022 18:47, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or hold something capable of spraying water a considerable distance.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I've got something that does that, though it's not pure water
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That will change considerably with age :-)
>>>
>>> Lucky to get beyond your feet:-(
>>
>> I remember at my primary school there were four sets of toilets: the
>> big boys' and wee boys' toilets in one block and the big girls' and
>> wee girls' toilets in the other.
>>
>> At one stage work was needed in the girls' block and the boys were
>> told to use the big boys' toilets and the girls the wee boys' toilet.
>> The wall between the two sections was only partial and did not reach
>> the ceiling. Someone worked out it was possible to piss over the wall
>> on to the girls' heads. Of course they could never find out who the
>> culprit was!
>
>
> You would not believe some of the electrical criminal damage we used to
> do when I was at school.
>
> It's a good job they did not have CCTV in schools in my day.
>
> One of the favourites was holding the lightswitch that powered the
> fluorescents in the half on half off position so that it made a buzzing
> sound and eventually started to smoke.
>
> Inserting 13A plugs with a LN short across them was another favourite.

Did this influence your career choice?

;-)

On 07/10/2022 12:00, Adam Funk wrote:
> On 2022-10-06, ARW wrote:
>
>> On 06/10/2022 15:33, Scott wrote:
>>> On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 14:09:53 +0100, Tim Lamb
>>> <tim@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In message <thmb22$1vq0$2@gioia.aioe.org>, Andrew
>>>> <Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com> writes
>>>>> On 06/10/2022 08:18, Mark Carver wrote:
>>>>>> On 05/10/2022 18:47, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or hold something capable of spraying water a considerable distance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've got something that does that, though it's not pure water
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That will change considerably with age :-)
>>>>
>>>> Lucky to get beyond your feet:-(
>>>
>>> I remember at my primary school there were four sets of toilets: the
>>> big boys' and wee boys' toilets in one block and the big girls' and
>>> wee girls' toilets in the other.
>>>
>>> At one stage work was needed in the girls' block and the boys were
>>> told to use the big boys' toilets and the girls the wee boys' toilet.
>>> The wall between the two sections was only partial and did not reach
>>> the ceiling. Someone worked out it was possible to piss over the wall
>>> on to the girls' heads. Of course they could never find out who the
>>> culprit was!
>>
>>
>> You would not believe some of the electrical criminal damage we used to
>> do when I was at school.
>>
>> It's a good job they did not have CCTV in schools in my day.
>>
>> One of the favourites was holding the lightswitch that powered the
>> fluorescents in the half on half off position so that it made a buzzing
>> sound and eventually started to smoke.
>>
>> Inserting 13A plugs with a LN short across them was another favourite.
>
> Did this influence your career choice?
>
> ;-)

I don't think judges had the discretion to offer a choice between prison
and an apprenticeship :)

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On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 10:42:51 PM UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:

> Sockets ought to be fitted to the fabric of the building and not
> installed on "furniture". However it is arguable that a fitted kitchen
> cabinet can be considered part of the fabric of the building.

That's what my insurers say with regard to structural damage from flooding.

Jonathan

On 06/10/2022 14:45, Scott wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 10:38:59 +0100, "Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Are we talking directly under, or the next cupboard along?
>> I think it would be asking for trouble to have a dishwasher and its socket
>> under a sink.
>> You can of course get waterproof housings with lids, but I'd not trust one
>> myself.
>> How long is the dishwasher mains lead, as it obviously has to be legal to
>> put the socket within reach of the device.
>> Brian
> This would be my commonsense approach also.
My socket is in an under sink cupboard, that's next to the dishwasher.

Actually, if there was ever a leak, and the socket got wet, the RCD
tripping would be a useful alarm for notification there was a leak in
there !

On 07/10/2022 12:00, Adam Funk wrote:
> On 2022-10-06, ARW wrote:
>
>> On 06/10/2022 15:33, Scott wrote:
>>> On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 14:09:53 +0100, Tim Lamb
>>> <tim@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In message <thmb22$1vq0$2@gioia.aioe.org>, Andrew
>>>> <Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com> writes
>>>>> On 06/10/2022 08:18, Mark Carver wrote:
>>>>>> On 05/10/2022 18:47, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or hold something capable of spraying water a considerable distance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've got something that does that, though it's not pure water
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That will change considerably with age :-)
>>>>
>>>> Lucky to get beyond your feet:-(
>>>
>>> I remember at my primary school there were four sets of toilets: the
>>> big boys' and wee boys' toilets in one block and the big girls' and
>>> wee girls' toilets in the other.
>>>
>>> At one stage work was needed in the girls' block and the boys were
>>> told to use the big boys' toilets and the girls the wee boys' toilet.
>>> The wall between the two sections was only partial and did not reach
>>> the ceiling. Someone worked out it was possible to piss over the wall
>>> on to the girls' heads. Of course they could never find out who the
>>> culprit was!
>>
>>
>> You would not believe some of the electrical criminal damage we used to
>> do when I was at school.
>>
>> It's a good job they did not have CCTV in schools in my day.
>>
>> One of the favourites was holding the lightswitch that powered the
>> fluorescents in the half on half off position so that it made a buzzing
>> sound and eventually started to smoke.
>>
>> Inserting 13A plugs with a LN short across them was another favourite.
>
> Did this influence your career choice?
>
> ;-)

Now this is one of the things that annoys me about the new starters.

They have no idea at all about electrical circuits, the names of tools
or how to use them.

Basic electrical circuits were part of physics when I did O levels,
tools were part of metalwork or woodwork and the rest was taught by your
Dad.

On 07/10/2022 13:31, Robin wrote:
> On 07/10/2022 12:00, Adam Funk wrote:
>> On 2022-10-06, ARW wrote:
>>
>>> On 06/10/2022 15:33, Scott wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 14:09:53 +0100, Tim Lamb
>>>> <tim@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In message <thmb22$1vq0$2@gioia.aioe.org>, Andrew
>>>>> <Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com> writes
>>>>>> On 06/10/2022 08:18, Mark Carver wrote:
>>>>>>> On 05/10/2022 18:47, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or hold something capable of spraying water a considerable
>>>>>>>> distance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've got something that does that, though it's not pure water
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That will change considerably with age :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Lucky to get beyond your feet:-(
>>>>
>>>> I remember at my primary school there were four sets of toilets: the
>>>> big boys' and wee boys' toilets in one block and the big girls' and
>>>> wee girls' toilets in the other.
>>>>
>>>> At one stage work was needed in the girls' block and the boys were
>>>> told to use the big boys' toilets and the girls the wee boys' toilet.
>>>> The wall between the two sections was only partial and did not reach
>>>> the ceiling.  Someone worked out it was possible to piss over the wall
>>>> on to the girls' heads.  Of course they could never find out who the
>>>> culprit was!
>>>
>>>
>>> You would not believe some of the electrical criminal damage we used to
>>> do when I was at school.
>>>
>>> It's a good job they did not have CCTV in schools in my day.
>>>
>>> One of the favourites was holding the lightswitch that powered the
>>> fluorescents in the half on half off position so that it made a buzzing
>>> sound and eventually started to smoke.
>>>
>>> Inserting 13A plugs with a LN short across them was another favourite.
>>
>> Did this influence your career choice?
>>
>> ;-)
>
>
> I don't think judges had the discretion to offer a choice between prison
> and an apprenticeship :)
>

Maybe they might have made me become an arborist.

It's still under investigation and I have a meeting "under caution" next
month with the council so I expect a private prosecution.

On 06/10/2022 20:18, Mark Carver wrote:
> On 06/10/2022 16:48, Max Demian wrote:
>> On 06/10/2022 15:21, Mike Clarke wrote:
>>> On 06/10/2022 07:18, Mark Carver wrote:
>>>> On 05/10/2022 18:47, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Or hold something capable of spraying water a considerable distance.
>>>>>
>>>> I've got something that does that, though it's not pure water
>>>
>>> .. and you use it in the kitchen?
>>
>> Whenever he goes to piss in the sink it's full of his wife's dirty
>> dishes.
>>
> Don't be silly, we've got a dishwasher, and I've just measured, its 13A
> socket is indeed 300mm horizontally away from the tap column.
>

I have a dishwasher. And she complains when I have a piss on the back
door step.

On 08/10/2022 04:01, ARW wrote:

> Maybe they might have made me become an arborist.
>
> It's still under investigation and I have a meeting "under caution" next
> month with the council so I expect a private prosecution.

Did you trim a lesbian council-oficials bush ?

On 08/10/2022 03:52, ARW wrote:
> On 07/10/2022 12:00, Adam Funk wrote:
>> On 2022-10-06, ARW wrote:
>>
>>> On 06/10/2022 15:33, Scott wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 14:09:53 +0100, Tim Lamb
>>>> <tim@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In message <thmb22$1vq0$2@gioia.aioe.org>, Andrew
>>>>> <Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com> writes
>>>>>> On 06/10/2022 08:18, Mark Carver wrote:
>>>>>>> On 05/10/2022 18:47, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or hold something capable of spraying water a considerable
>>>>>>>> distance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've got something that does that, though it's not pure water
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That will change considerably with age :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Lucky to get beyond your feet:-(
>>>>
>>>> I remember at my primary school there were four sets of toilets: the
>>>> big boys' and wee boys' toilets in one block and the big girls' and
>>>> wee girls' toilets in the other.
>>>>
>>>> At one stage work was needed in the girls' block and the boys were
>>>> told to use the big boys' toilets and the girls the wee boys' toilet.
>>>> The wall between the two sections was only partial and did not reach
>>>> the ceiling.  Someone worked out it was possible to piss over the wall
>>>> on to the girls' heads.  Of course they could never find out who the
>>>> culprit was!
>>>
>>>
>>> You would not believe some of the electrical criminal damage we used to
>>> do when I was at school.
>>>
>>> It's a good job they did not have CCTV in schools in my day.
>>>
>>> One of the favourites was holding the lightswitch that powered the
>>> fluorescents in the half on half off position so that it made a buzzing
>>> sound and eventually started to smoke.
>>>
>>> Inserting 13A plugs with a LN short across them was another favourite.
>>
>> Did this influence your career choice?
>>
>> ;-)
>
>
> Now this is one of the things that annoys me about the new starters.
>
> They have no idea at all about electrical circuits, the names of tools
> or how to use them.
>
> Basic electrical circuits were part of physics when I did O levels,
> tools were part of metalwork or woodwork and the rest was taught by your
> Dad.

One year CSE Physics had a test where you have to assign colours to the
terminals in a plug. I think 1/2 got it wrong.

Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:
> >
> > Basic electrical circuits were part of physics when I did O levels,
> > tools were part of metalwork or woodwork and the rest was taught by your
> > Dad.
>
> One year CSE Physics had a test where you have to assign colours to the
> terminals in a plug. I think 1/2 got it wrong.
>
That's absolutely not physics! It's possibly engineeriing.

A physicist who doesn't how to wire a plug won't be any worse as a
physicist.

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·

On 09/10/2022 09:58, Chris Green wrote:
> Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Basic electrical circuits were part of physics when I did O levels,
>>> tools were part of metalwork or woodwork and the rest was taught by your
>>> Dad.
>>
>> One year CSE Physics had a test where you have to assign colours to the
>> terminals in a plug. I think 1/2 got it wrong.
>>
> That's absolutely not physics! It's possibly engineeriing.
>
> A physicist who doesn't how to wire a plug won't be any worse as a
> physicist.

Might not be so hot on quantum chromodynamics though :-)

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