On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 07:35:15 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mar 17, 2022 at 12:32:18 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1i5y74lhmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 07:27:08 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 17, 2022 at 12:21:05 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.1i5ypflbmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 22:36:07 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 15, 2022 at 3:08:35 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.1i3eglofmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 21:31:01 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 15, 2022 at 1:06:42 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>> <nl6YJ.684158$hye7.519333@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 15/03/2022 19:41, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 15, 2022 at 3:19:49 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <aLZXJ.684157$hye7.487774@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 15/03/2022 09:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 16:12:32 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/03/2022 15:37, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 15:14:41 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/03/2022 09:55, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How do you text from a computer?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I use the Apple Application called Messages
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMessage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HTH - It's very good. :-D
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who pays for the texts? With a phone, you have a payment going to a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mobile phone network.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know. AFAIK it's part of the Apple service.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a similar thing for Windows?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not as far as I'm aware.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There are many alternatives though. Here's some:-
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Signal (software), an end-to-end encrypted messenger with forward
>>>>>>>>>>>> secrecy, available for the same platforms on which iMessage runs
>>>>>>>>>>>> Threema
>>>>>>>>>>>> WhatsApp
>>>>>>>>>>>> Facebook Messenger
>>>>>>>>>>>> WeChat
>>>>>>>>>>>> Line
>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype
>>>>>>>>>>>> Snapchat
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But those involve the other end having those things too.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sure .... but to receive ANY text, one has to have a mobile 'phone.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, but one does not have to be actively reading it on the phone. I often
>>>>>>>>> read them on my computer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Indeed. I do that too! :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is really an amazing feature.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, let's take a =A31000 computer and use it as a =A330 phone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Take a what and use a what?
>>>>
>>>> = A 3 is clearly a pound sign.
>>>
>>> No, not really.
>>
>> Clearly I was talking about price, and pounds are the only currency commonly
>> used in the UK, and I'm in the UK. Put 1 and 1 and 1 together.
>
> That gets to the "3", but not the "= A 3"

Pedantry detected, take OCD tablet.

>>>> I don't think it's your mac, I think it's your computer's disdain for British
>>>> symbols. I'll try again in dollars and see what happens:
>>>> Yes, let's take a $1000 computer and use it as a $30 phone.
>>>
>>> Why not just make the best use of each tool?
>>
>> I do, which is why I never text on a computer. If I go to the computer instead
>> of the phone, I use email.
>
> We have already established we agree it is easier to type on a computer.

But you will not accept if you're on the computer you might aswell use something better than text. Texts are a simple method of communication designed for basic phones, and old networks that don't have much bandwidth.

>>>>> But we have already established it is easier to type on a computer. Texting on
>>>>> a computer is easier. As is adding attachments.
>>>>
>>>> But you can use a communication method far superior to texting.
>>>
>>> I tend to not like texting, but it is how many prefer things these days.
>>
>> But phones read emails, so if you need to send Mr Smith a long text, just
>> email him with your computer.
>
> I use email as well... but I do not force it onto people.

Everybody has email who has texts.

> And texting has advantages over email (faster and more conversational, for example).

Isn't either of those things.

On Mar 17, 2022 at 12:44:07 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.1i5zrtw1mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 07:35:15 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mar 17, 2022 at 12:32:18 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.1i5y74lhmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 07:27:08 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mar 17, 2022 at 12:21:05 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.1i5ypflbmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 22:36:07 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 15, 2022 at 3:08:35 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>> <op.1i3eglofmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 21:31:01 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mar 15, 2022 at 1:06:42 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>> <nl6YJ.684158$hye7.519333@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 15/03/2022 19:41, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 15, 2022 at 3:19:49 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <aLZXJ.684157$hye7.487774@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/03/2022 09:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 16:12:32 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/03/2022 15:37, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 15:14:41 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/03/2022 09:55, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How do you text from a computer?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I use the Apple Application called Messages
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMessage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HTH - It's very good. :-D
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who pays for the texts? With a phone, you have a payment going to a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mobile phone network.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know. AFAIK it's part of the Apple service.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a similar thing for Windows?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not as far as I'm aware.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are many alternatives though. Here's some:-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Signal (software), an end-to-end encrypted messenger with forward
>>>>>>>>>>>>> secrecy, available for the same platforms on which iMessage runs
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Threema
>>>>>>>>>>>>> WhatsApp
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Facebook Messenger
>>>>>>>>>>>>> WeChat
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Line
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Snapchat
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But those involve the other end having those things too.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sure .... but to receive ANY text, one has to have a mobile 'phone.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, but one does not have to be actively reading it on the phone. I often
>>>>>>>>>> read them on my computer.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Indeed. I do that too! :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is really an amazing feature.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, let's take a =A31000 computer and use it as a =A330 phone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Take a what and use a what?
>>>>>
>>>>> = A 3 is clearly a pound sign.
>>>>
>>>> No, not really.
>>>
>>> Clearly I was talking about price, and pounds are the only currency commonly
>>> used in the UK, and I'm in the UK. Put 1 and 1 and 1 together.
>>
>> That gets to the "3", but not the "= A 3"
>
> Pedantry detected, take OCD tablet.

It is true that 1+1+1 is 3.

>
>>>>> I don't think it's your mac, I think it's your computer's disdain for British
>>>>> symbols. I'll try again in dollars and see what happens:
>>>>> Yes, let's take a $1000 computer and use it as a $30 phone.
>>>>
>>>> Why not just make the best use of each tool?
>>>
>>> I do, which is why I never text on a computer. If I go to the computer instead
>>> of the phone, I use email.
>>
>> We have already established we agree it is easier to type on a computer.
>
> But you will not accept if you're on the computer you might aswell use
> something better than text.

There are times text is the best solution, such as when responding to a text.
Or talking to someone who prefers text.

> Texts are a simple method of communication designed for basic phones, and old
> networks that don't have much bandwidth.

I use more advanced text. Apple products are not limited to what Android ones
are. Even Android is moving forward, though slowly.

>
>>>>>> But we have already established it is easier to type on a computer. Texting on
>>>>>> a computer is easier. As is adding attachments.
>>>>>
>>>>> But you can use a communication method far superior to texting.
>>>>
>>>> I tend to not like texting, but it is how many prefer things these days.
>>>
>>> But phones read emails, so if you need to send Mr Smith a long text, just
>>> email him with your computer.
>>
>> I use email as well... but I do not force it onto people.
>
> Everybody has email who has texts.

I do not have the email addresses of all I text with.

>
>> And texting has advantages over email (faster and more conversational, for
>> example).
>
> Isn't either of those things.

More of your rules.

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On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 07:46:12 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mar 17, 2022 at 12:44:07 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1i5zrtw1mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 07:35:15 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 17, 2022 at 12:32:18 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.1i5y74lhmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 07:27:08 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 17, 2022 at 12:21:05 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.1i5ypflbmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 22:36:07 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 15, 2022 at 3:08:35 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>> <op.1i3eglofmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 21:31:01 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 15, 2022 at 1:06:42 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <nl6YJ.684158$hye7.519333@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 15/03/2022 19:41, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 15, 2022 at 3:19:49 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> <aLZXJ.684157$hye7.487774@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/03/2022 09:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 16:12:32 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/03/2022 15:37, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 15:14:41 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/03/2022 09:55, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How do you text from a computer?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I use the Apple Application called Messages
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMessage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HTH - It's very good. :-D
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who pays for the texts? With a phone, you have a payment going to a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mobile phone network.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know. AFAIK it's part of the Apple service.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a similar thing for Windows?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not as far as I'm aware.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are many alternatives though. Here's some:-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Signal (software), an end-to-end encrypted messenger with forward
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> secrecy, available for the same platforms on which iMessage runs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Threema
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WhatsApp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Facebook Messenger
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WeChat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Line
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Snapchat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But those involve the other end having those things too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure .... but to receive ANY text, one has to have a mobile 'phone.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, but one does not have to be actively reading it on the phone. I often
>>>>>>>>>>> read them on my computer.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Indeed. I do that too! :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is really an amazing feature.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, let's take a =A31000 computer and use it as a =A330 phone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Take a what and use a what?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> = A 3 is clearly a pound sign.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, not really.
>>>>
>>>> Clearly I was talking about price, and pounds are the only currency commonly
>>>> used in the UK, and I'm in the UK. Put 1 and 1 and 1 together.
>>>
>>> That gets to the "3", but not the "= A 3"
>>
>> Pedantry detected, take OCD tablet.
>
> It is true that 1+1+1 is 3.

You have demonstrated OCD well, master Yoda.

>>>>>> I don't think it's your mac, I think it's your computer's disdain for British
>>>>>> symbols. I'll try again in dollars and see what happens:
>>>>>> Yes, let's take a $1000 computer and use it as a $30 phone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why not just make the best use of each tool?
>>>>
>>>> I do, which is why I never text on a computer. If I go to the computer instead
>>>> of the phone, I use email.
>>>
>>> We have already established we agree it is easier to type on a computer.
>>
>> But you will not accept if you're on the computer you might aswell use
>> something better than text.
>
> There are times text is the best solution, such as when responding to a text.

No, text is for short sentences, like "see you in half an hour".

Anyway, don't Iphones have predictive text? I've typed about three whole sentences without entering a single word.

> Or talking to someone who prefers text.

Make them eat cake!

>> Texts are a simple method of communication designed for basic phones, and old
>> networks that don't have much bandwidth.
>
> I use more advanced text. Apple products are not limited to what Android ones
> are. Even Android is moving forward, though slowly.

What are these advances?

>>>>>>> But we have already established it is easier to type on a computer. Texting on
>>>>>>> a computer is easier. As is adding attachments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But you can use a communication method far superior to texting.
>>>>>
>>>>> I tend to not like texting, but it is how many prefer things these days.
>>>>
>>>> But phones read emails, so if you need to send Mr Smith a long text, just
>>>> email him with your computer.
>>>
>>> I use email as well... but I do not force it onto people.
>>
>> Everybody has email who has texts.
>
> I do not have the email addresses of all I text with.

You should if you're having long conversations.

>>> And texting has advantages over email (faster and more conversational, for
>>> example).
>>
>> Isn't either of those things.
>
> More of your rules.

Not a rule, a fact.

On Mar 17, 2022 at 12:51:44 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.1i5z4i1pmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, let's take a =A31000 computer and use it as a =A330 phone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Take a what and use a what?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> = A 3 is clearly a pound sign.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, not really.
>>>>>
>>>>> Clearly I was talking about price, and pounds are the only currency commonly
>>>>> used in the UK, and I'm in the UK. Put 1 and 1 and 1 together.
>>>>
>>>> That gets to the "3", but not the "= A 3"
>>>
>>> Pedantry detected, take OCD tablet.
>>
>> It is true that 1+1+1 is 3.
>
> You have demonstrated OCD well, master Yoda.

People who do not have OCD can add 1+1+1.

>
>>>>>>> I don't think it's your mac, I think it's your computer's disdain for British
>>>>>>> symbols. I'll try again in dollars and see what happens:
>>>>>>> Yes, let's take a $1000 computer and use it as a $30 phone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why not just make the best use of each tool?
>>>>>
>>>>> I do, which is why I never text on a computer. If I go to the computer instead
>>>>> of the phone, I use email.
>>>>
>>>> We have already established we agree it is easier to type on a computer.
>>>
>>> But you will not accept if you're on the computer you might aswell use
>>> something better than text.
>>
>> There are times text is the best solution, such as when responding to a text.
>
> No, text is for short sentences, like "see you in half an hour".

That is one use.

> Anyway, don't Iphones have predictive text? I've typed about three whole
> sentences without entering a single word.

They do. So do Macs (though I tend to not use it much.

>
>> Or talking to someone who prefers text.
>
> Make them eat cake!

Would they use floury language.

>
>>> Texts are a simple method of communication designed for basic phones, and old
>>> networks that don't have much bandwidth.
>>
>> I use more advanced text. Apple products are not limited to what Android ones
>> are. Even Android is moving forward, though slowly.
>
> What are these advances?

Fully encrypted, message effects (not that I use those), location sharing,
voice messaging, message delivery confirmation, read receipts, real time
viewing of replying, stickers and other silly stuff like that, sending money,
etc.
>
>>>>>>>> But we have already established it is easier to type on a computer. Texting on
>>>>>>>> a computer is easier. As is adding attachments.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But you can use a communication method far superior to texting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I tend to not like texting, but it is how many prefer things these days.
>>>>>
>>>>> But phones read emails, so if you need to send Mr Smith a long text, just
>>>>> email him with your computer.
>>>>
>>>> I use email as well... but I do not force it onto people.
>>>
>>> Everybody has email who has texts.
>>
>> I do not have the email addresses of all I text with.
>
> You should if you're having long conversations.

Not if they do not wish to share it.

>
>>>> And texting has advantages over email (faster and more conversational, for
>>>> example).
>>>
>>> Isn't either of those things.
>>
>> More of your rules.
>
> Not a rule, a fact.

Based on your rule you expect others to follow.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 22:24:50 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mar 14, 2022 at 2:55:05 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1i0lt3nxmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ah, you admit typing on a phone is absurd.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is harder on a small screen than full sized keyboard. Was that in question?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not by you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nor anyone in this conversation. :)
>>>>
>>>> You were typing to me on a phone.
>>>
>>> Well, I was speaking to the phone so it would type.
>>
>> If it's anything like Alexa, you'd end up "typing" garbage. Never found
>> anything that can do speach recognition properly.
>
> I find macOS does a pretty good job, though it is far from perfect.

I've seen my friend try to use voice recognition on his iphone. It was hysterical.

>>>>>>>> I thought at first, how can you use voice to text when talking on the phone.
>>>>>>>> "On the phone" means something different to people my age.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not sure you are much older than I am.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was going to say I feel older, but you have similar health problems to me so
>>>>>> maybe not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Likely not.
>>>>
>>>> I'm currently running on a 32 hour body clock, beat that. Quite fun though
>>>> having every "day" different. Sometimes it's dark and quiet, sometimes I see
>>>> the sunset, sometimes I see the sunrise. Sometimes my neighbour doesn't like
>>>> the loud music at my "midday".
>>>
>>> Curious. What causes your clock to go off? Any idea?
>>
>> Most people have 25-26 hour bodyclocks. There was some silly theory that the
>> world used to spin slower, but that's bollocks. We'd have evidence of that
>> unless it was ages ago, in which case we would have evolved to the 24 hour
>> cycle. I think it's so we naturally go slightly slower and are triggered by
>> the sun coming up and going down. If we ran slightly faster, we'd want to go
>> to bed and wake up before the light was ready.
>
> That seems a reasonable hypotheses.
>
>> I think my fatigue syndrome has slowed me down further. But it's very random.
>
> I can understand that. My atypical POTS is unpredictable and rather
> inconvenient!

If you don't mind being out of synch with everyone else, I find it a lot nicer to just go to bed when you're really tired, then get up when you're ready.

>>>>>> As far as ideas go, I'd say I'm more old fashioned than you. I don't ever type
>>>>>> much on my phone. I use it only for texts,
>>>>>
>>>>> How do you do texts without typing?
>>>>
>>>> "type much".
>>>
>>> So presumably you do not text much. When I am texting more than a little I
>>> move to my computer. It is easier there.
>>
>> I don't text much more than "see you at 11", or "how much do you want for the
>> car?"
>>
>> How do you text from a computer?
>
> Open Messages and type. One of the good things about iOS and macOS is you can
> start on one and just move to the other. This works with word processing,
> texting, phone calls, etc.

Another wonderful idea to solve a non-existant problem. That would be like driving my car to London and changing the car into a van halfway.

>>>>>> calls, and the internet when I'm away from home and want to look something up,
>>>>>> or pass the time watching youtube when waiting for someone.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do more and more on my phone these days.
>>>>
>>>> Like what? If you're at home, why not use the computer?
>>>
>>> If I am going to be doing much I do... so if I am texting. Even then I prefer
>>> voice.
>>
>> I prefer the words to match what I wanted to say.
>
> Does someone not?

Oyster nation simply doesn't work, every sing gets all angled up and your end up with in unintelligent mass.

On Mar 21, 2022 at 11:56:48 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.1jd9kyb3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 22:24:50 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mar 14, 2022 at 2:55:05 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.1i0lt3nxmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ah, you admit typing on a phone is absurd.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is harder on a small screen than full sized keyboard. Was that in question?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not by you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nor anyone in this conversation. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> You were typing to me on a phone.
>>>>
>>>> Well, I was speaking to the phone so it would type.
>>>
>>> If it's anything like Alexa, you'd end up "typing" garbage. Never found
>>> anything that can do speach recognition properly.
>>
>> I find macOS does a pretty good job, though it is far from perfect.
>
> I've seen my friend try to use voice recognition on his iphone. It was
> hysterical.

For me it works fairly well, though it is far from perfect.

>
>>>>>>>>> I thought at first, how can you use voice to text when talking on the phone.
>>>>>>>>> "On the phone" means something different to people my age.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not sure you are much older than I am.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was going to say I feel older, but you have similar health problems to me so
>>>>>>> maybe not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Likely not.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm currently running on a 32 hour body clock, beat that. Quite fun though
>>>>> having every "day" different. Sometimes it's dark and quiet, sometimes I see
>>>>> the sunset, sometimes I see the sunrise. Sometimes my neighbour doesn't like
>>>>> the loud music at my "midday".
>>>>
>>>> Curious. What causes your clock to go off? Any idea?
>>>
>>> Most people have 25-26 hour bodyclocks. There was some silly theory that the
>>> world used to spin slower, but that's bollocks. We'd have evidence of that
>>> unless it was ages ago, in which case we would have evolved to the 24 hour
>>> cycle. I think it's so we naturally go slightly slower and are triggered by
>>> the sun coming up and going down. If we ran slightly faster, we'd want to go
>>> to bed and wake up before the light was ready.
>>
>> That seems a reasonable hypotheses.
>>
>>> I think my fatigue syndrome has slowed me down further. But it's very random.
>>
>> I can understand that. My atypical POTS is unpredictable and rather
>> inconvenient!
>
> If you don't mind being out of synch with everyone else, I find it a lot nicer
> to just go to bed when you're really tired, then get up when you're ready.

When I can do that I do, but even then I have "spontaneous arousals", which
are not nearly as much fun as they sound. Those have been better recently, but
they come and go.

>
>>>>>>> As far as ideas go, I'd say I'm more old fashioned than you. I don't ever type
>>>>>>> much on my phone. I use it only for texts,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How do you do texts without typing?
>>>>>
>>>>> "type much".
>>>>
>>>> So presumably you do not text much. When I am texting more than a little I
>>>> move to my computer. It is easier there.
>>>
>>> I don't text much more than "see you at 11", or "how much do you want for the
>>> car?"
>>>
>>> How do you text from a computer?
>>
>> Open Messages and type. One of the good things about iOS and macOS is you can
>> start on one and just move to the other. This works with word processing,
>> texting, phone calls, etc.
>
> Another wonderful idea to solve a non-existant problem. That would be like
> driving my car to London and changing the car into a van halfway.
>
>>>>>>> calls, and the internet when I'm away from home and want to look something up,
>>>>>>> or pass the time watching youtube when waiting for someone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do more and more on my phone these days.
>>>>>
>>>>> Like what? If you're at home, why not use the computer?
>>>>
>>>> If I am going to be doing much I do... so if I am texting. Even then I prefer
>>>> voice.
>>>
>>> I prefer the words to match what I wanted to say.
>>
>> Does someone not?
>
> Oyster nation simply doesn't work, every sing gets all angled up and your end
> up with in unintelligent mass.

Is that were you learned to communicate?

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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 22:28:12 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mar 14, 2022 at 2:48:27 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1i0li1c7mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 17:54:21 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 10, 2022 at 1:28:34 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.1is25wlxmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 02 Mar 2022 23:52:25 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 1, 2022 at 11:30:49 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.1id4dny6mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 03:52:25 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 25, 2022 at 12:05:40 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>> <op.1h4wnqnimvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:12:25 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 22, 2022 at 4:08:46 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <22eRJ.242536$_5r7.214859@fx09.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 22/02/2022 22:11, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 22, 2022 at 12:37:28 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> <YXaRJ.35647$EjU2.10121@fx07.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/02/2022 19:31, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 22, 2022 at 12:20:39 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <cIaRJ.68297$fIV5.13225@fx12.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/02/2022 19:13, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 22, 2022 at 11:56:16 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <llaRJ.965257$YlU2.351869@fx08.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/02/2022 15:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 19:59:52 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Macs aren't even the same, the older ones had only close on the left and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the other two on the right!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm fairly sure you'd find the new macOS far better than the problematic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones you experienced in the past.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Comparing modern Windows with Macs from 20 years ago does seem odd. To be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fair, though, there are some things from Classic MacOS I still miss.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first one I bought had OS X Leopard and I've used every Apple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operating system since then. I had to purchase new hardware, though, to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> progress past El Capitan (IIRC)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic Mac was pretty amazing for its time, and there are still some things
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about the Finder and about Preferences files, how the "recent" items were
>>>>>>>>>>>>> handled in the Apple menu, and I am sure some more that I miss. Overall,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> though, the modern OS is far past what existed 20 years ago... as one would
>>>>>>>>>>>>> figure!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I first considered buying a Mac in 1983 - but bought British instead!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Macs came out in 1984, but they had the Apple II systems before that. My
>>>>>>>>>>> family had an Apple IIe -- my brother's but I got to use it. I really like
>>>>>>>>>>> AppleWorks -- a word processor, spreadsheet, and database combo.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My mistake - I should have said Apple computer.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If figured you might have meant that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At least you accept some people don't have OCD.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Never suggested otherwise.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then follow their lead.
>>>>>
>>>>> I shall not join you in pushing such rules onto others.
>>>>
>>>> I push the absence of rules.
>>>
>>> You repeatedly show you have very specific rules you not only follow but
>>> insist others are wrong not to. You are very lawful, even if your "laws" are
>>> not the same society uses.
>>
>> Why can't you tell the difference between absence of rules and rules?
>
> False assumption on your part. To the contrary, I am noting where you fail to
> see your very strong belief in rules as anything other than a lack of rules.
> But you keep insisting folks should follow some rule of yours.

You're not right in the head. I want people to not follow rules and to think for themselves, yet you somehow think that's a rule!

>>>> You might aswell say an atheist has a belief!
>>>
>>> For those atheist who push that their way of seeing the world is the only way
>>> and then they mock others you might have a point.
>>
>> No, the religious person believes in a god. The atheist has an absence of
>> belief.
>
> Correct. But atheists can ALSO push ideas about religious folks based on their
> feelings or the like.

Yes, they believe that the rules for religious people are wrong. This is negating a rule, not creating one.

>>> Hmmmm, we are fellow atheists but only one of us routinely does that. I will
>>> admit for some religious folks who push their religion onto me I have pushed
>>> back and noted where I see their views as flawed. But here is the thing:
>>> others are allowed to be "wrong". It is not harmful to me in any way for
>>> someone to strongly believe in the Invisible Green Dragon or a deity or
>>> whatever. I care more about how people treat others.
>>
>> Religions start wars.
>
> That is one cause of wars. Or, really, people using religion as an excuse.

It's is the cause of 99% of wars. Wanting rid of the Jewish morons for example.

On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 23:17:34 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mar 14, 2022 at 1:34:30 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1i0h3sicmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Misspelling of McIntosh.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All those sorta names can be spelt Mc or Mac. So who is this Macintosh? The
>>>>>> only one I know of invented some stupid new age furniture with everything at
>>>>>> right angles.
>>>>>
>>>>> The apple variety is McIntosh. The Macintosh name is based on that, but either
>>>>> on accident or purpose they misspelled it. I would like to think on purpose.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure the name was around long before that in Scotland.
>>>
>>> Yes, but that is not what the Mac was named after (not in time but
>>> derivation).
>>
>> Shouldn't they be paying royalties to everyone with that surname?
>
> Why?

Well McDonalds thought Mrs McDonald didn't own her name. If you believe in this ownership of words bullshit, then people with that surname must own it.

>> And why aren't they Apple Mcs?
>
> They misspelled McIntosh. I think Mac works better anyway.

So they fucked up? ROFL! You own an Apple Mc.

On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 23:17:59 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mar 14, 2022 at 1:33:21 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1i0h1vdxmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 17:51:56 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 10, 2022 at 3:26:38 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.1is8mor0mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 02 Mar 2022 23:55:06 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 2, 2022 at 1:01:32 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.1id8kuufmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 03:55:00 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 25, 2022 at 12:03:21 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>> <op.1h4wjvjrmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 19:20:39 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 22/02/2022 19:13, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 22, 2022 at 11:56:16 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <llaRJ.965257$YlU2.351869@fx08.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/02/2022 15:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 19:59:52 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>>> Macs aren't even the same, the older ones had only close on the left and
>>>>>>>>>>>> the other two on the right!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm fairly sure you'd find the new macOS far better than the problematic
>>>>>>>>>>> ones you experienced in the past.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Comparing modern Windows with Macs from 20 years ago does seem odd. To be
>>>>>>>>>> fair, though, there are some things from Classic MacOS I still miss.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The first one I bought had OS X Leopard and I've used every Apple
>>>>>>>>> operating system since then. I had to purchase new hardware, though, to
>>>>>>>>> progress past El Capitan (IIRC)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is as bad as Android. How the fuck are users supposed to know if a
>>>>>>>> Leopard is better than a Tiger? Why not just 10.1, 10.2, 10.3 etc?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I tend to look at the version numbers... but many products have such names.
>>>>>>> Look at Android and the candy names.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Exactly they're both stupid. I go to download a program for my phone and it
>>>>>> says "this is compatible with lollipop and upwards". How the fuck do I know if
>>>>>> a candy is more than a lollipop? I'm not a fucking child, I know how to count.
>>>>>
>>>>> I actually tend to agree with you and prefer numbers... but what the hell
>>>>> happened to Windows 4 through 94? And then what type number is NT. And then
>>>>> what version of Windows 10 or Windows 11 are you running? How do you
>>>>> differentiate? The latest Windows 10 version is, from what I just found on
>>>>> line, "20H2". What the hell is that about?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, it's a fucking mess. Sometimes I think people make things more
>>>> complicated so they can sound clever. Like left wing folk using many long
>>>> words.
>>>
>>> Some of it is marketing, but there is also in ANY group going to be jargon to
>>> help be more specific. Those not in the field will find it cumbersome and
>>> confusing. This is true of tech, medicine, law, construction, ... pretty much
>>> anything.
>>
>> Most of that jargon is not needed.
>
> Some might not be, but for any group with complex ideas it can help to express
> those ideas.

Better to use plain English.

In article <op.1jf25mtvmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>, Commander Kinsey
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

> >
> > They misspelled McIntosh. I think Mac works better anyway.
>
> So they fucked up? ROFL! You own an Apple Mc.

it was not a fuckup. it was intentional.

On Mar 22, 2022 at 11:30:14 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.1jf20ol9mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

>>>>>
>>>>> I push the absence of rules.
>>>>
>>>> You repeatedly show you have very specific rules you not only follow but
>>>> insist others are wrong not to. You are very lawful, even if your "laws" are
>>>> not the same society uses.
>>>
>>> Why can't you tell the difference between absence of rules and rules?
>>
>> False assumption on your part. To the contrary, I am noting where you fail to
>> see your very strong belief in rules as anything other than a lack of rules.
>> But you keep insisting folks should follow some rule of yours.
>
> You're not right in the head. I want people to not follow rules and to think
> for themselves, yet you somehow think that's a rule!

You demonstrate your attachment to your own rules time and time again...
instead of digging back I will just wait a day or two when you do it again. I
will note it.

>>>>> You might aswell say an atheist has a belief!
>>>>
>>>> For those atheist who push that their way of seeing the world is the only way
>>>> and then they mock others you might have a point.
>>>
>>> No, the religious person believes in a god. The atheist has an absence of
>>> belief.
>>
>> Correct. But atheists can ALSO push ideas about religious folks based on their
>> feelings or the like.
>
> Yes, they believe that the rules for religious people are wrong. This is
> negating a rule, not creating one.

I am an atheist. I do not tell people to not celebrate Christmas or Ramadan.
If I did that would be me pushing a rule onto them.

>
>>>> Hmmmm, we are fellow atheists but only one of us routinely does that. I will
>>>> admit for some religious folks who push their religion onto me I have pushed
>>>> back and noted where I see their views as flawed. But here is the thing:
>>>> others are allowed to be "wrong". It is not harmful to me in any way for
>>>> someone to strongly believe in the Invisible Green Dragon or a deity or
>>>> whatever. I care more about how people treat others.
>>>
>>> Religions start wars.
>>
>> That is one cause of wars. Or, really, people using religion as an excuse.
>
> It's is the cause of 99% of wars. Wanting rid of the Jewish morons for
> example.

What do you mean by your last sentence?

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On Mar 22, 2022 at 11:33:12 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.1jf25mtvmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 23:17:34 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mar 14, 2022 at 1:34:30 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.1i0h3sicmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Misspelling of McIntosh.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All those sorta names can be spelt Mc or Mac. So who is this Macintosh? The
>>>>>>> only one I know of invented some stupid new age furniture with everything at
>>>>>>> right angles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The apple variety is McIntosh. The Macintosh name is based on that, but either
>>>>>> on accident or purpose they misspelled it. I would like to think on purpose.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure the name was around long before that in Scotland.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, but that is not what the Mac was named after (not in time but
>>>> derivation).
>>>
>>> Shouldn't they be paying royalties to everyone with that surname?
>>
>> Why?
>
> Well McDonalds thought Mrs McDonald didn't own her name. If you believe in
> this ownership of words bullshit, then people with that surname must own it.

Is that as deep as your knowledge is on IP? You have taken a small amount of
knowledge about IP law and created your own rule. There you go -- making up
your own rules again.

>
>>> And why aren't they Apple Mcs?
>>
>> They misspelled McIntosh. I think Mac works better anyway.
>
> So they fucked up? ROFL! You own an Apple Mc.

I am not sure if they did it on purpose or not... though I think I read
somewhere it was a mistake at first but they liked it that way.

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On Mar 22, 2022 at 11:33:35 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.1jf259i8mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 23:17:59 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mar 14, 2022 at 1:33:21 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.1i0h1vdxmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 17:51:56 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mar 10, 2022 at 3:26:38 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.1is8mor0mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 02 Mar 2022 23:55:06 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 2, 2022 at 1:01:32 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>> <op.1id8kuufmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 03:55:00 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Feb 25, 2022 at 12:03:21 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>> <op.1h4wjvjrmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 19:20:39 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 22/02/2022 19:13, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 22, 2022 at 11:56:16 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> <llaRJ.965257$YlU2.351869@fx08.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/02/2022 15:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 19:59:52 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Macs aren't even the same, the older ones had only close on the left and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the other two on the right!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm fairly sure you'd find the new macOS far better than the problematic
>>>>>>>>>>>> ones you experienced in the past.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Comparing modern Windows with Macs from 20 years ago does seem odd. To be
>>>>>>>>>>> fair, though, there are some things from Classic MacOS I still miss.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The first one I bought had OS X Leopard and I've used every Apple
>>>>>>>>>> operating system since then. I had to purchase new hardware, though, to
>>>>>>>>>> progress past El Capitan (IIRC)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is as bad as Android. How the fuck are users supposed to know if a
>>>>>>>>> Leopard is better than a Tiger? Why not just 10.1, 10.2, 10.3 etc?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I tend to look at the version numbers... but many products have such names.
>>>>>>>> Look at Android and the candy names.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Exactly they're both stupid. I go to download a program for my phone and it
>>>>>>> says "this is compatible with lollipop and upwards". How the fuck do I know if
>>>>>>> a candy is more than a lollipop? I'm not a fucking child, I know how to count.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I actually tend to agree with you and prefer numbers... but what the hell
>>>>>> happened to Windows 4 through 94? And then what type number is NT. And then
>>>>>> what version of Windows 10 or Windows 11 are you running? How do you
>>>>>> differentiate? The latest Windows 10 version is, from what I just found on
>>>>>> line, "20H2". What the hell is that about?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, it's a fucking mess. Sometimes I think people make things more
>>>>> complicated so they can sound clever. Like left wing folk using many long
>>>>> words.
>>>>
>>>> Some of it is marketing, but there is also in ANY group going to be jargon to
>>>> help be more specific. Those not in the field will find it cumbersome and
>>>> confusing. This is true of tech, medicine, law, construction, ... pretty much
>>>> anything.
>>>
>>> Most of that jargon is not needed.
>>
>> Some might not be, but for any group with complex ideas it can help to express
>> those ideas.
>
> Better to use plain English.

Using more specific words makes things more clear... but to understand you
need to know the context and be educated on the topic.

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On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 19:10:42 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mar 22, 2022 at 11:33:12 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1jf25mtvmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 23:17:34 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 14, 2022 at 1:34:30 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.1i0h3sicmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Misspelling of McIntosh.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All those sorta names can be spelt Mc or Mac. So who is this Macintosh? The
>>>>>>>> only one I know of invented some stupid new age furniture with everything at
>>>>>>>> right angles.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The apple variety is McIntosh. The Macintosh name is based on that, but either
>>>>>>> on accident or purpose they misspelled it. I would like to think on purpose.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sure the name was around long before that in Scotland.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, but that is not what the Mac was named after (not in time but
>>>>> derivation).
>>>>
>>>> Shouldn't they be paying royalties to everyone with that surname?
>>>
>>> Why?
>>
>> Well McDonalds thought Mrs McDonald didn't own her name. If you believe in
>> this ownership of words bullshit, then people with that surname must own it.
>
> Is that as deep as your knowledge is on IP? You have taken a small amount of
> knowledge about IP law and created your own rule. There you go -- making up
> your own rules again.

I didn't create a rule, I gave you evidence of what happened in reality. Fuck this, you're killfiled, your intelligence is a 2 digit IQ. You post 10 times as much as everyone else put together in these newsgroups, I don't have time for your retarded OCD bullshit anymore.

On Mar 22, 2022 at 11:39:24 AM MST, "nospam" wrote
<220320221439240883%nospam@nospam.invalid>:

> In article <op.1jf25mtvmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>, Commander Kinsey
> <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> They misspelled McIntosh. I think Mac works better anyway.
>>
>> So they fucked up? ROFL! You own an Apple Mc.
>
> it was not a fuckup. it was intentional.

Looking into it seems they changed the spelling for legal (IP) reasons.

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On Mar 22, 2022 at 12:12:37 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.1jf4zbpsmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 19:10:42 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mar 22, 2022 at 11:33:12 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.1jf25mtvmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 23:17:34 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mar 14, 2022 at 1:34:30 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.1i0h3sicmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Misspelling of McIntosh.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All those sorta names can be spelt Mc or Mac. So who is this Macintosh? The
>>>>>>>>> only one I know of invented some stupid new age furniture with everything at
>>>>>>>>> right angles.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The apple variety is McIntosh. The Macintosh name is based on that, but either
>>>>>>>> on accident or purpose they misspelled it. I would like to think on purpose.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm sure the name was around long before that in Scotland.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, but that is not what the Mac was named after (not in time but
>>>>>> derivation).
>>>>>
>>>>> Shouldn't they be paying royalties to everyone with that surname?
>>>>
>>>> Why?
>>>
>>> Well McDonalds thought Mrs McDonald didn't own her name. If you believe in
>>> this ownership of words bullshit, then people with that surname must own it.
>>
>> Is that as deep as your knowledge is on IP? You have taken a small amount of
>> knowledge about IP law and created your own rule. There you go -- making up
>> your own rules again.
>
> I didn't create a rule,

You did -- based on your ignorance if IP rules. You knew just a little bit and
extrapolated poorly from there.

> I gave you evidence of what happened in reality.

Nope. You extrapolated based on faulty and partial info and then wondered why
things were not fitting your rule.

> Fuck this, you're killfiled, your intelligence is a 2 digit IQ. You post 10
> times as much as everyone else put together in these newsgroups, I don't have
> time for your retarded OCD bullshit anymore.

That is how you feel.

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