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by: Alan B - Fri, 18 Mar 2022 10:28 UTC

A new preview version (build 19431034) has just been released. I’ll attempt
to build a Linux virtual machine later. The first version of the preview
wasn’t too bad but I couldn’t get 3-D graphics working. But at least it’s
free :) Parallels Desktop for ARM Macs works better currently but it ain’t
free. I haven’t used UTM recently but that may also have been updated.

--
Cheers, Alan

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by: Chris Ridd - Fri, 18 Mar 2022 13:19 UTC

On 18/03/2022 10:28, Alan B wrote:
> A new preview version (build 19431034) has just been released. I’ll attempt
> to build a Linux virtual machine later. The first version of the preview
> wasn’t too bad but I couldn’t get 3-D graphics working. But at least it’s
> free :) Parallels Desktop for ARM Macs works better currently but it ain’t
> free. I haven’t used UTM recently but that may also have been updated.

Thanks, updating now. The previous version ran an ARM build of Ubuntu
pretty well, though with no GUI.

--
Chris

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by: Chris - Fri, 18 Mar 2022 20:08 UTC

Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com> wrote:
> On 18/03/2022 10:28, Alan B wrote:
>> A new preview version (build 19431034) has just been released. I’ll attempt
>> to build a Linux virtual machine later. The first version of the preview
>> wasn’t too bad but I couldn’t get 3-D graphics working. But at least it’s
>> free :) Parallels Desktop for ARM Macs works better currently but it ain’t
>> free. I haven’t used UTM recently but that may also have been updated.
>
> Thanks, updating now. The previous version ran an ARM build of Ubuntu
> pretty well, though with no GUI.

Is that because the Arm build of ubuntu is usually a server image? You need
to install a WM before it'll work.

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Subject: Re: VMware Fusion for M1 Macs
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by: Chris Ridd - Fri, 18 Mar 2022 20:14 UTC

On 18/03/2022 20:08, Chris wrote:
> Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com> wrote:
>> On 18/03/2022 10:28, Alan B wrote:
>>> A new preview version (build 19431034) has just been released. I’ll attempt
>>> to build a Linux virtual machine later. The first version of the preview
>>> wasn’t too bad but I couldn’t get 3-D graphics working. But at least it’s
>>> free :) Parallels Desktop for ARM Macs works better currently but it ain’t
>>> free. I haven’t used UTM recently but that may also have been updated.
>>
>> Thanks, updating now. The previous version ran an ARM build of Ubuntu
>> pretty well, though with no GUI.
>
> Is that because the Arm build of ubuntu is usually a server image? You need
> to install a WM before it'll work.

Possibly. But it is a better way to learn a Linux distro without relying
on the crutch of whatever whacky UI was flavour of the day.

--
Chris

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by: Alan B - Fri, 18 Mar 2022 20:36 UTC

On 18 Mar 2022 at 20:14:36 GMT, "Chris Ridd" <chrisridd@mac.com> wrote:

> On 18/03/2022 20:08, Chris wrote:
>> Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com> wrote:
>>> On 18/03/2022 10:28, Alan B wrote:
>>>> A new preview version (build 19431034) has just been released. I’ll attempt
>>>> to build a Linux virtual machine later. The first version of the preview
>>>> wasn’t too bad but I couldn’t get 3-D graphics working. But at least it’s
>>>> free :) Parallels Desktop for ARM Macs works better currently but it ain’t
>>>> free. I haven’t used UTM recently but that may also have been updated.
>>>
>>> Thanks, updating now. The previous version ran an ARM build of Ubuntu
>>> pretty well, though with no GUI.
>>
>> Is that because the Arm build of ubuntu is usually a server image? You need
>> to install a WM before it'll work.
>
> Possibly. But it is a better way to learn a Linux distro without relying
> on the crutch of whatever whacky UI was flavour of the day.

I've updated VMware now and tried to build VMs with both Ubuntu ARM servers
20.04 LTS and 21.10 but both fail after installation with this EFI stub error,
i.e.

EFI stub: Exiting boot services and installing virtual address map...

This has been discussed on the VMware forum but I'm getting nowhere :(

<https://communities.vmware.com/t5/Fusion-for-Apple-Silicon-Tech/New-VMware-Fusion-Public-Tech-Preview-for-Apple-Silicon-released/m-p/2898038#M1024>

Next I downloaded the ARM iso for Fedora 35. The installer booted up but then
froze :( However I was able to create a working VM under Parallels 17.1.1.

Not a great start :(

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by: Chris - Sat, 19 Mar 2022 09:13 UTC

Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospam.gmail.com.here> wrote:
> On 18 Mar 2022 at 20:14:36 GMT, "Chris Ridd" <chrisridd@mac.com> wrote:
>
>> On 18/03/2022 20:08, Chris wrote:
>>> Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com> wrote:
>>>> On 18/03/2022 10:28, Alan B wrote:
>>>>> A new preview version (build 19431034) has just been released. I’ll attempt
>>>>> to build a Linux virtual machine later. The first version of the preview
>>>>> wasn’t too bad but I couldn’t get 3-D graphics working. But at least it’s
>>>>> free :) Parallels Desktop for ARM Macs works better currently but it ain’t
>>>>> free. I haven’t used UTM recently but that may also have been updated.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, updating now. The previous version ran an ARM build of Ubuntu
>>>> pretty well, though with no GUI.
>>>
>>> Is that because the Arm build of ubuntu is usually a server image? You need
>>> to install a WM before it'll work.
>>
>> Possibly. But it is a better way to learn a Linux distro without relying
>> on the crutch of whatever whacky UI was flavour of the day.
>
> I've updated VMware now and tried to build VMs with both Ubuntu ARM servers
> 20.04 LTS and 21.10 but both fail after installation with this EFI stub error,
> i.e.
>
> EFI stub: Exiting boot services and installing virtual address map...
>
> This has been discussed on the VMware forum but I'm getting nowhere :(
>
> <https://communities.vmware.com/t5/Fusion-for-Apple-Silicon-Tech/New-VMware-Fusion-Public-Tech-Preview-for-Apple-Silicon-released/m-p/2898038#M1024>
>
> Next I downloaded the ARM iso for Fedora 35. The installer booted up but then
> froze :( However I was able to create a working VM under Parallels 17.1.1.
>
> Not a great start :(

I'd recommend sticking with UTM. It works great. The only weakness I've
found is that you can't change the disk size once linux has been installed,
but that's it.

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by: Alan B - Sat, 19 Mar 2022 11:39 UTC

Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospam.gmail.com.here> wrote:
>> On 18 Mar 2022 at 20:14:36 GMT, "Chris Ridd" <chrisridd@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 18/03/2022 20:08, Chris wrote:
>>>> Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 18/03/2022 10:28, Alan B wrote:
>>>>>> A new preview version (build 19431034) has just been released. I’ll attempt
>>>>>> to build a Linux virtual machine later. The first version of the preview
>>>>>> wasn’t too bad but I couldn’t get 3-D graphics working. But at least it’s
>>>>>> free :) Parallels Desktop for ARM Macs works better currently but it ain’t
>>>>>> free. I haven’t used UTM recently but that may also have been updated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, updating now. The previous version ran an ARM build of Ubuntu
>>>>> pretty well, though with no GUI.
>>>>
>>>> Is that because the Arm build of ubuntu is usually a server image? You need
>>>> to install a WM before it'll work.
>>>
>>> Possibly. But it is a better way to learn a Linux distro without relying
>>> on the crutch of whatever whacky UI was flavour of the day.
>>
>> I've updated VMware now and tried to build VMs with both Ubuntu ARM servers
>> 20.04 LTS and 21.10 but both fail after installation with this EFI stub error,
>> i.e.
>>
>> EFI stub: Exiting boot services and installing virtual address map...
>>
>> This has been discussed on the VMware forum but I'm getting nowhere :(
>>
>> <https://communities.vmware.com/t5/Fusion-for-Apple-Silicon-Tech/New-VMware-Fusion-Public-Tech-Preview-for-Apple-Silicon-released/m-p/2898038#M1024>
>>
>> Next I downloaded the ARM iso for Fedora 35. The installer booted up but then
>> froze :( However I was able to create a working VM under Parallels 17.1.1.
>>
>> Not a great start :(
>
> I'd recommend sticking with UTM. It works great. The only weakness I've
> found is that you can't change the disk size once linux has been installed,
> but that's it.

Yes considering it’s free UTM is a good choice. I see it now offers Windows
10 and 11 ARM support. I’ve already got a Windows 11 ARM installation
running very nicely as a vm under Parallels so it would be interesting to
compare results.

--
Cheers, Alan

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by: Theo - Sat, 19 Mar 2022 14:53 UTC

Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd recommend sticking with UTM. It works great. The only weakness I've
> found is that you can't change the disk size once linux has been installed,
> but that's it.

You should be able to. UTM is just qemu under the hood, so:

qemu-img resize my-disk-image.qcow2 999G

will resize the virtual disc to 999 gigabytes (I forget where UTM puts it,
somewhere in ~/Library I think). Then it's a case of resizing the
partitions etc in Linux, just like on physical hardware.
(exact mechanism depends on what filesystems are being used, typically
gparted is the easiest although it doesn't cover all cases)

Theo

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by: Alan B - Sat, 19 Mar 2022 16:05 UTC

On 2022-03-19, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> wrote:

[snip]

> Yes considering it’s free UTM is a good choice. I see it now offers Windows
> 10 and 11 ARM support. I’ve already got a Windows 11 ARM installation
> running very nicely as a vm under Parallels so it would be interesting to
> compare results.

Just had a quick go at creating a Windows 11 vm under UTM. Installation
requires a working internet connection but unfortunately I can't seem
to configure UTM's network preferences to allow this. This hasn't been
a problem with Linux vm's I've created with UTM.

--
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Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'd recommend sticking with UTM. It works great. The only weakness I've
>> found is that you can't change the disk size once linux has been installed,
>> but that's it.
>
> You should be able to. UTM is just qemu under the hood, so:
>
> qemu-img resize my-disk-image.qcow2 999G
>
> will resize the virtual disc to 999 gigabytes (I forget where UTM puts it,
> somewhere in ~/Library I think). Then it's a case of resizing the
> partitions etc in Linux, just like on physical hardware.
> (exact mechanism depends on what filesystems are being used, typically
> gparted is the easiest although it doesn't cover all cases)

I tried it after my VM filled up and it didn't work.

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by: Chris - Mon, 21 Mar 2022 15:49 UTC

Is the preview only available to paid users of VMWare?

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by: Alan B - Mon, 21 Mar 2022 16:04 UTC

On 21 Mar 2022 at 15:49:07 GMT, "Chris" <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 18/03/2022 10:28, Alan B wrote:
>> A new preview version (build 19431034) has just been released. I’ll attempt
>> to build a Linux virtual machine later. The first version of the preview
>> wasn’t too bad but I couldn’t get 3-D graphics working. But at least it’s
>> free :) Parallels Desktop for ARM Macs works better currently but it ain’t
>> free. I haven’t used UTM recently but that may also have been updated.
>>
>
> Is the preview only available to paid users of VMWare?

I thought you only needed toi setup an account? I haven't paid for VMware for
some time now!

<https://customerconnect.vmware.com/downloads/get-download?downloadGroup=FUS-PUBTP-2021H1>

The d/l is about 88Mb so I might be able to (illegally?) email it to you. Once
you open the installer you can apply for a free license.

--
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by: Chris - Mon, 21 Mar 2022 21:23 UTC

Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospam.gmail.com.here> wrote:
> On 21 Mar 2022 at 15:49:07 GMT, "Chris" <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 18/03/2022 10:28, Alan B wrote:
>>> A new preview version (build 19431034) has just been released. I’ll attempt
>>> to build a Linux virtual machine later. The first version of the preview
>>> wasn’t too bad but I couldn’t get 3-D graphics working. But at least it’s
>>> free :) Parallels Desktop for ARM Macs works better currently but it ain’t
>>> free. I haven’t used UTM recently but that may also have been updated.
>>>
>>
>> Is the preview only available to paid users of VMWare?
>
> I thought you only needed toi setup an account? I haven't paid for VMware for
> some time now!

I just wanted to check as it asked me to login when I hit download. Ok I'll
try again.

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by: Alan B - Fri, 25 Mar 2022 12:48 UTC

On 2022-03-19, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

[snip]

> I'd recommend sticking with UTM. It works great. The only weakness I've
> found is that you can't change the disk size once linux has been installed,
> but that's it.

I've just got an ARM Windows 11 VM working with UTM and, as far as speed is
concerned, it compares pretty favourably with my equivalent VM running
in Parallels. I haven't tried changing disk size as 64GB is plenty big
enough for my needs at the moment.

--
Cheers, Alan

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by: Chris - Fri, 25 Mar 2022 15:07 UTC

On 25/03/2022 12:48, Alan B wrote:
> On 2022-03-19, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> I'd recommend sticking with UTM. It works great. The only weakness I've
>> found is that you can't change the disk size once linux has been installed,
>> but that's it.
>
> I've just got an ARM Windows 11 VM working with UTM and, as far as speed is
> concerned, it compares pretty favourably with my equivalent VM running
> in Parallels. I haven't tried changing disk size as 64GB is plenty big
> enough for my needs at the moment.

Nice!

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by: Alan B - Sat, 26 Mar 2022 11:55 UTC

On 2022-03-25, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 25/03/2022 12:48, Alan B wrote:
>> On 2022-03-19, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> I'd recommend sticking with UTM. It works great. The only weakness I've
>>> found is that you can't change the disk size once linux has been installed,
>>> but that's it.
>>
>> I've just got an ARM Windows 11 VM working with UTM and, as far as speed is
>> concerned, it compares pretty favourably with my equivalent VM running
>> in Parallels. I haven't tried changing disk size as 64GB is plenty big
>> enough for my needs at the moment.
>
> Nice!

Maybe? I had to read up on M$'s (not so?) wonderful "out of the box
experience" commands to enable the installation to proceed. Still you
learn something new every day, it's said ;)

--
Cheers, Alan

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VMware Fusion for M1 Macs	Alan B
VMware Fusion for M1 Macs	Chris Ridd
VMware Fusion for M1 Macs	Chris
VMware Fusion for M1 Macs	Chris Ridd
VMware Fusion for M1 Macs	Alan B
VMware Fusion for M1 Macs	Chris
VMware Fusion for M1 Macs	Alan B
VMware Fusion for M1 Macs	Alan B
VMware Fusion for M1 Macs	Theo
VMware Fusion for M1 Macs	Chris
VMware Fusion for M1 Macs	Alan B
VMware Fusion for M1 Macs	Chris
VMware Fusion for M1 Macs	Alan B
VMware Fusion for M1 Macs	Chris
VMware Fusion for M1 Macs	Alan B
VMware Fusion for M1 Macs	Chris