On 07/02/2022 12:37, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 6:35:50 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 6:27:00 AM UTC-6, RustyHinge wrote:
>>> On 07/02/2022 09:54, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>>>
>>>> First sixth form Chemistry lesson saw a bottle left prominently on a
>>>> bench. It contained a a coloured liquid (I cannot remember the colour
>>>> now), of course no one touched it, well for a short time. Then while the
>>>> teacher disappeared into the prep room someone had to pick it up and
>>>> give it a little shake. Quick as a flash the colour changed.
>>>>
>>>> Teacher comes back and tells the gentlemen and lady present, careful
>>>> what you do in this lab unless you know what your are doing and its
>>>> consequences.
>>>>
>>>> Incidentally after a while the colour changed back.
>>>>
>>>> My father left a tobacco tin lying around. When curiosity got the better
>>>> of me, a large button suspended on a wound up rubber bands shot out
>>>> across the room.
>>> I have a tin box about the size of one which would hold six pencils
>>> abreast. When primed it has a flat piece of plastic in the miggle of
>>> which is attached a wound-up ruber band stretched between the ends of
>>> the box.
>>>
>>> RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIP!
>>> --
>>> Rusty Hinge
>>> To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.
>> Give everybody on earth a button which initiates World War III. Put a label underneath it which reads "Please don't push this."
>
> Didn't Newcomb have a couple boxes which you were supposed to look in or not or something like that?.

Yes, and how did Schroedinger's cat get fed between experiments?

Chris

On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 14:23:42 +0000
"ChrisND@privacy.net" <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:

> Yes, and how did Schroedinger's cat get fed between experiments?

Quantum tunneling ?

One detail Schroedinger overlooked was that observation by senses
other than sight is possible and in order to prevent observation by odour
of prdure the bos must be airtight which guarantees the state of the cat
after a certain elapsed time.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

On 07/02/2022 14:53, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 14:23:42 +0000
> "ChrisND@privacy.net" <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> Yes, and how did Schroedinger's cat get fed between experiments?
>
> Quantum tunneling ?
>
> One detail Schroedinger overlooked was that observation by senses
> other than sight is possible and in order to prevent observation by odour
> of prdure the bos must be airtight which guarantees the state of the cat
> after a certain elapsed time.

Maybe he combined it with the feeding?
Chris

PS And changing the oxygen bottle?

On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 10:21:33 AM UTC-6, chr...@privacy.net wrote:
> On 07/02/2022 14:53, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> > On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 14:23:42 +0000
> > "Chr...@privacy.net" <chr...@privacy.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, and how did Schroedinger's cat get fed between experiments?
> >
> > Quantum tunneling ?
> >
> > One detail Schroedinger overlooked was that observation by senses
> > other than sight is possible and in order to prevent observation by odour
> > of prdure the bos must be airtight which guarantees the state of the cat
> > after a certain elapsed time.
> Maybe he combined it with the feeding?
> Chris
>
>
> PS And changing the oxygen bottle?

Probably what Schrodinger overlooked(Was it Schrodinger who actually proposed the experiment?)was the fact that you can't compare the macro and micro scopic worlds.

On 2022-02-06, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 10:01:17 -0000
> "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Hnnn, so is nature ethical or not?
>
> As far as I can tell the most common form of natural death is being
> eaten alive followed by starvation or accident (not sure which wins).
>
> Ethics and morals are human things, you need to be sentient to have
> them, nature just is.
>
Animals are sentinent. My daughters are vegetarians, so I show them how
my dogs are able to distinguish between meat and veggie while I toss
them food.

--
greymausg@mail.com
That's not a mousehole!

On 2022-02-06, Tone <email@address.com> wrote:
> On 06/02/2022 13:40, Don Stockbauer wrote:
>> On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 7:31:44 AM UTC-6, Peter wrote:
>>> "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)" <bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in news:sto69e$foi
>>> $1...@dont-email.me:
>>>> Hnnn, so is nature ethical or not?
>>>>
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>> Mr Tennyson reminded us that nature is red in tooth and claw. I don't
>>> think that ethics makes much of an appearance when the mustelid is
>>> rending the mouse.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Peter
>>> -----
>>
>> The most common form of unnatural death would be to be at Ground Zero during a nuclear weapon detonation. The beauty of it is you would feel absolutely no pain , because your brain would be vaporized before any pain signals could get there.
>>

Was visiting an old friend in retirement home, he had been moved to a
single room upstairs for snoring, so as I was doing business for him, we
went up to that room, and shut the door, and sat down. After a few
moments, the door opened and a woman came in, pulled back the covers and
got into bed, then looked over and saw the two men looking at her, she
got out and left.

"She was in this room before me, and gets mixed up."

Right.

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That's not a mousehole!

ChrisND@privacy.net said:
>
> Yes, and how did Schroedinger's cat get fed between experiments?

It's only in the box during experiments. Between them, it isn't Quantum.

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 10:59:43 AM UTC-6, maus wrote:
> On 2022-02-06, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote:
> > On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 10:01:17 -0000
> > "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)" <bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> Hnnn, so is nature ethical or not?
> >
> > As far as I can tell the most common form of natural death is being
> > eaten alive followed by starvation or accident (not sure which wins).
> >
> > Ethics and morals are human things, you need to be sentient to have
> > them, nature just is.
> >
> Animals are sentinent. My daughters are vegetarians, so I show them how
> my dogs are able to distinguish between meat and veggie while I toss
> them food.
>
> --
> grey...@mail.com
> That's not a mousehole!

Post concerning Schrodinger's cat rescinded due to author's lack of research into the subject.

On 2022-02-07, Don Stockbauer <donstockbauer@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 6:35:50 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 6:27:00 AM UTC-6, RustyHinge wrote:
>> > On 07/02/2022 09:54, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>> >
>> > > First sixth form Chemistry lesson saw a bottle left prominently on a
>> > > bench. It contained a a coloured liquid (I cannot remember the colour
>> > > now), of course no one touched it, well for a short time. Then while the
>> > > teacher disappeared into the prep room someone had to pick it up and
>> > > give it a little shake. Quick as a flash the colour changed.
>> > >
>> > > Teacher comes back and tells the gentlemen and lady present, careful
>> > > what you do in this lab unless you know what your are doing and its
>> > > consequences.
>> > >
>> > > Incidentally after a while the colour changed back.
>> > >
>> > > My father left a tobacco tin lying around. When curiosity got the better
>> > > of me, a large button suspended on a wound up rubber bands shot out
>> > > across the room.
>> > I have a tin box about the size of one which would hold six pencils
>> > abreast. When primed it has a flat piece of plastic in the miggle of
>> > which is attached a wound-up ruber band stretched between the ends of
>> > the box.
>> >
>> > RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIP!
>> > --
>> > Rusty Hinge
>> > To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.
>> Give everybody on earth a button which initiates World War III. Put a label underneath it which reads "Please don't push this."
>
> Didn't Newcomb have a couple boxes which you were supposed to look in or not or something like that?.

Pandora.

--
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That's not a mousehole!

On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 11:12:46 AM UTC-6, maus wrote:
> On 2022-02-07, Don Stockbauer <donsto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 6:35:50 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> >> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 6:27:00 AM UTC-6, RustyHinge wrote:
> >> > On 07/02/2022 09:54, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > First sixth form Chemistry lesson saw a bottle left prominently on a
> >> > > bench. It contained a a coloured liquid (I cannot remember the colour
> >> > > now), of course no one touched it, well for a short time. Then while the
> >> > > teacher disappeared into the prep room someone had to pick it up and
> >> > > give it a little shake. Quick as a flash the colour changed.
> >> > >
> >> > > Teacher comes back and tells the gentlemen and lady present, careful
> >> > > what you do in this lab unless you know what your are doing and its
> >> > > consequences.
> >> > >
> >> > > Incidentally after a while the colour changed back.
> >> > >
> >> > > My father left a tobacco tin lying around. When curiosity got the better
> >> > > of me, a large button suspended on a wound up rubber bands shot out
> >> > > across the room.
> >> > I have a tin box about the size of one which would hold six pencils
> >> > abreast. When primed it has a flat piece of plastic in the miggle of
> >> > which is attached a wound-up ruber band stretched between the ends of
> >> > the box.
> >> >
> >> > RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIP!
> >> > --
> >> > Rusty Hinge
> >> > To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.
> >> Give everybody on earth a button which initiates World War III. Put a label underneath it which reads "Please don't push this."
> >
> > Didn't Newcomb have a couple boxes which you were supposed to look in or not or something like that?.
> Pandora.
> --
> grey...@mail.com
> That's not a mousehole!

"Box" is often a euphemism for vagina.

On 07-Feb-22 14:53, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 14:23:42 +0000
> "ChrisND@privacy.net" <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> Yes, and how did Schroedinger's cat get fed between experiments?
>
> Quantum tunneling ?
>
> One detail Schroedinger overlooked was that observation by senses
> other than sight is possible and in order to prevent observation by odour
> of prdure the bos must be airtight which guarantees the state of the cat
> after a certain elapsed time.
>
One must postulate a small cat and a sufficiently large box.

P.S. Is the cat spherical?
If not, why?

--
Sam Plusnet

Sam Plusnet said:
> On 07-Feb-22 14:53, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 14:23:42 +0000
>> "ChrisND@privacy.net" <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, and how did Schroedinger's cat get fed between experiments?
>>
>> Quantum tunneling ?
>>
>> One detail Schroedinger overlooked was that observation by senses
>> other than sight is possible and in order to prevent observation by odour
>> of prdure the bos must be airtight which guarantees the state of the cat
>> after a certain elapsed time.
>>
> One must postulate a small cat and a sufficiently large box.
>
> P.S. Is the cat spherical?
> If not, why?

Perhaps it will be next time you look ?

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

On 7 Feb 2022 17:12:45 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:

>On 2022-02-07, Don Stockbauer <donstockbauer@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 6:35:50 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
>>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 6:27:00 AM UTC-6, RustyHinge wrote:
>>> > On 07/02/2022 09:54, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > First sixth form Chemistry lesson saw a bottle left prominently on a
>>> > > bench. It contained a a coloured liquid (I cannot remember the colour
>>> > > now), of course no one touched it, well for a short time. Then while the
>>> > > teacher disappeared into the prep room someone had to pick it up and
>>> > > give it a little shake. Quick as a flash the colour changed.
>>> > >
>>> > > Teacher comes back and tells the gentlemen and lady present, careful
>>> > > what you do in this lab unless you know what your are doing and its
>>> > > consequences.
>>> > >
>>> > > Incidentally after a while the colour changed back.
>>> > >
>>> > > My father left a tobacco tin lying around. When curiosity got the better
>>> > > of me, a large button suspended on a wound up rubber bands shot out
>>> > > across the room.
>>> > I have a tin box about the size of one which would hold six pencils
>>> > abreast. When primed it has a flat piece of plastic in the miggle of
>>> > which is attached a wound-up ruber band stretched between the ends of
>>> > the box.
>>> >
>>> > RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIP!
>>> > --
>>> > Rusty Hinge
>>> > To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.
>>> Give everybody on earth a button which initiates World War III. Put a label underneath it which reads "Please don't push this."
>>
>> Didn't Newcomb have a couple boxes which you were supposed to look in or not or something like that?.
>
>Pandora.

Delicious.

Though I prefer the version with fruit and nuts.

Nick

On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 2:58:12 PM UTC-6, Nick Odell wrote:
> On 7 Feb 2022 17:12:45 GMT, maus <ma...@dmaus.org> wrote:
>
> >On 2022-02-07, Don Stockbauer <donsto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 6:35:50 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> >>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 6:27:00 AM UTC-6, RustyHinge wrote:
> >>> > On 07/02/2022 09:54, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > > First sixth form Chemistry lesson saw a bottle left prominently on a
> >>> > > bench. It contained a a coloured liquid (I cannot remember the colour
> >>> > > now), of course no one touched it, well for a short time. Then while the
> >>> > > teacher disappeared into the prep room someone had to pick it up and
> >>> > > give it a little shake. Quick as a flash the colour changed.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Teacher comes back and tells the gentlemen and lady present, careful
> >>> > > what you do in this lab unless you know what your are doing and its
> >>> > > consequences.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Incidentally after a while the colour changed back.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > My father left a tobacco tin lying around. When curiosity got the better
> >>> > > of me, a large button suspended on a wound up rubber bands shot out
> >>> > > across the room.
> >>> > I have a tin box about the size of one which would hold six pencils
> >>> > abreast. When primed it has a flat piece of plastic in the miggle of
> >>> > which is attached a wound-up ruber band stretched between the ends of
> >>> > the box.
> >>> >
> >>> > RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIP!
> >>> > --
> >>> > Rusty Hinge
> >>> > To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.
> >>> Give everybody on earth a button which initiates World War III. Put a label underneath it which reads "Please don't push this."
> >>
> >> Didn't Newcomb have a couple boxes which you were supposed to look in or not or something like that?.
> >
> >Pandora.
> Delicious.
>
> Though I prefer the version with fruit and nuts.
>
> Nick

As with all physics and math problems one always assumes spherical symmetry.

Even if you're modeling a cow.

On 07/02/2022 17:12, maus wrote:
> On 2022-02-07, Don Stockbauer <donstockbauer@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 6:35:50 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:
>>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 6:27:00 AM UTC-6, RustyHinge wrote:
>>>> On 07/02/2022 09:54, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> First sixth form Chemistry lesson saw a bottle left prominently on a
>>>>> bench. It contained a a coloured liquid (I cannot remember the colour
>>>>> now), of course no one touched it, well for a short time. Then while the
>>>>> teacher disappeared into the prep room someone had to pick it up and
>>>>> give it a little shake. Quick as a flash the colour changed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Teacher comes back and tells the gentlemen and lady present, careful
>>>>> what you do in this lab unless you know what your are doing and its
>>>>> consequences.
>>>>>
>>>>> Incidentally after a while the colour changed back.
>>>>>
>>>>> My father left a tobacco tin lying around. When curiosity got the better
>>>>> of me, a large button suspended on a wound up rubber bands shot out
>>>>> across the room.
>>>> I have a tin box about the size of one which would hold six pencils
>>>> abreast. When primed it has a flat piece of plastic in the miggle of
>>>> which is attached a wound-up ruber band stretched between the ends of
>>>> the box.
>>>>
>>>> RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIP!
>>>> --
>>>> Rusty Hinge
>>>> To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.
>>> Give everybody on earth a button which initiates World War III. Put a label underneath it which reads "Please don't push this."
>>
>> Didn't Newcomb have a couple boxes which you were supposed to look in or not or something like that?.
>
> Pandora.

A drian Mole.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On 07/02/2022 18:51, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> On 07-Feb-22 14:53, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 14:23:42 +0000
>> "ChrisND@privacy.net" <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, and how did Schroedinger's cat get fed between experiments?
>>
>>     Quantum tunneling ?
>>
>>     One detail Schroedinger overlooked was that observation by senses
>> other than sight is possible and in order to prevent observation by odour
>> of prdure the bos must be airtight which guarantees the state of the cat
>> after a certain elapsed time.
>>
> One must postulate a small cat and a sufficiently large box.
>
> P.S. Is the cat spherical?
> If not, why?
>
Because its a damn silly name for a cat?
HTH, Chris

On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 5:35:31 AM UTC-6, chr...@privacy.net wrote:
> On 07/02/2022 18:51, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> > On 07-Feb-22 14:53, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> >> On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 14:23:42 +0000
> >> "Chr...@privacy.net" <chr...@privacy.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Yes, and how did Schroedinger's cat get fed between experiments?
> >>
> >> Quantum tunneling ?
> >>
> >> One detail Schroedinger overlooked was that observation by senses
> >> other than sight is possible and in order to prevent observation by odour
> >> of prdure the bos must be airtight which guarantees the state of the cat
> >> after a certain elapsed time.
> >>
> > One must postulate a small cat and a sufficiently large box.
> >
> > P.S. Is the cat spherical?
> > If not, why?
> >
> Because its a damn silly name for a cat?
> HTH, Chris

I always thought "flea licks" was a funny name for a cat.

On 08-Feb-22 11:35, ChrisND@privacy.net wrote:
> On 07/02/2022 18:51, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>> On 07-Feb-22 14:53, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>> On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 14:23:42 +0000
>>> "ChrisND@privacy.net" <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, and how did Schroedinger's cat get fed between experiments?
>>>
>>>     Quantum tunneling ?
>>>
>>>     One detail Schroedinger overlooked was that observation by senses
>>> other than sight is possible and in order to prevent observation by
>>> odour
>>> of prdure the bos must be airtight which guarantees the state of the cat
>>> after a certain elapsed time.
>>>
>> One must postulate a small cat and a sufficiently large box.
>>
>> P.S. Is the cat spherical?
>> If not, why?
>>
> Because its a damn silly name for a cat?
> HTH, Chris

I'd become hyspherical if I was locked in a box like that.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 06/02/2022 20:25, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> On 06-Feb-22 13:40, Don Stockbauer wrote:
>
>> Let's push for a painless death.
>
> Interesting idea.
>
> Affix a large push-button at some point along a busy street, with a legend.
>
> "Press for Painless Death."
>
> Attach a counter to the button, and maybe an observation camera.

Probably best to clarify whose death.

On 07/02/2022 17:12, maus wrote:
> On 2022-02-07, Don Stockbauer <donstockbauer@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Didn't Newcomb have a couple boxes which you were supposed to look in or not or something like that?.
>
> Pandora.

Was she an aeroplane blonde?

On 09-Feb-22 12:52, Mike Fleming wrote:
> On 06/02/2022 20:25, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>> On 06-Feb-22 13:40, Don Stockbauer wrote:
>>
>>> Let's push for a painless death.
>>
>> Interesting idea.
>>
>> Affix a large push-button at some point along a busy street, with a
>> legend.
>>
>> "Press for Painless Death."
>>
>> Attach a counter to the button, and maybe an observation camera.
>
> Probably best to clarify whose death.

I would rather leave the ambiguity in place.

--
Sam Plusnet