Nice speech. Nice to see someone put Hanson down. Calling out
anti-vaxxers for what they are - selfish and ignorant. What a pity we're
stuck with a useless PM who just enabled them. I don't always agree with
Lambie, but she is on the money with this one.

Go Lambie. A donation is on it's way. If I lived in Tassie, I'd vote for
her.

On 23/11/2021 5:05 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:

> Nice speech. Nice to see someone put Hanson down.

Pauline Hanson needs to be put down. Permanently.

> Calling out anti-vaxxers for what they are - selfish and ignorant. What a pity we're
> stuck with a useless PM who just enabled them.

What did he do?

> I don't always agree with Lambie, but she is on the money with this one.

Yes, she is.

> Go Lambie. A donation is on it's way. If I lived in Tassie, I'd vote for
> her.

I like her. I think she's pretty down to Earth and has realistic views.
Like you I don't agree with everything she says, but then I can't
remember the last time I met someone that I did.

--
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Regards,
Noddy.

On 23/11/2021 7:39 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 23/11/2021 5:05 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>
>> Nice speech. Nice to see someone put Hanson down.
>
> Pauline Hanson needs to be put down. Permanently.
>
>> Calling out anti-vaxxers for what they are - selfish and ignorant.
>> What a pity we're stuck with a useless PM who just enabled them.
>
> What did he do?
>

**He failed miserably to denounce the violent, homicidal thugs in the
Melbourne demonstrations.

On 23/11/21 5:05 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> Nice speech. Nice to see someone put Hanson down. Calling out
> anti-vaxxers for what they are - selfish and ignorant. What a pity we're
> stuck with a useless PM who just enabled them. I don't always agree with
> Lambie, but she is on the money with this one.
>
> Go Lambie. A donation is on it's way. If I lived in Tassie, I'd vote for
> her.

I saw a bit of that on the tv news last night and I was pleasantly
surprised, generally I think of her as a bit of a nutter but she's on
the money this time.

--
Daryl

On 23/11/2021 8:41 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 23/11/21 5:05 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> Nice speech. Nice to see someone put Hanson down. Calling out
>> anti-vaxxers for what they are - selfish and ignorant. What a pity
>> we're stuck with a useless PM who just enabled them. I don't always
>> agree with Lambie, but she is on the money with this one.
>>
>> Go Lambie. A donation is on it's way. If I lived in Tassie, I'd vote
>> for her.
>
> I saw a bit of that on the tv news last night and I was pleasantly
> surprised, generally I think of her as a bit of a nutter but she's on
> the money this time.
>

**You think that Lambie is a bit of a nutter, but Scummo is sane?

Really?

On 23/11/2021 7:48 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 23/11/2021 7:39 am, Noddy wrote:
>> On 23/11/2021 5:05 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>
>>> Nice speech. Nice to see someone put Hanson down.
>>
>> Pauline Hanson needs to be put down. Permanently.
>>
>>> Calling out anti-vaxxers for what they are - selfish and ignorant.
>>> What a pity we're stuck with a useless PM who just enabled them.
>>
>> What did he do?
>>
>
> **He failed miserably to denounce the violent, homicidal thugs in the
> Melbourne demonstrations.

Odd. I heard him doing precisely that on the radio a couple of days ago.

--
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--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 23/11/2021 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 23/11/2021 8:41 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 23/11/21 5:05 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> Nice speech. Nice to see someone put Hanson down. Calling out
>>> anti-vaxxers for what they are - selfish and ignorant. What a pity
>>> we're stuck with a useless PM who just enabled them. I don't always
>>> agree with Lambie, but she is on the money with this one.
>>>
>>> Go Lambie. A donation is on it's way. If I lived in Tassie, I'd vote
>>> for her.
>>
>> I saw a bit of that on the tv news last night and I was pleasantly
>> surprised, generally I think of her as a bit of a nutter but she's on
>> the money this time.
>>
>
> **You think that Lambie is a bit of a nutter, but Scummo is sane?

Where did he actually say that? :)

> Really?

This is your problem whenever the topic turns political Trev. You turn
into a fanatical whackjob.

--
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--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 23-Nov-21 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 23/11/2021 8:41 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 23/11/21 5:05 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> Nice speech. Nice to see someone put Hanson down. Calling out
>>> anti-vaxxers for what they are - selfish and ignorant. What a pity
>>> we're stuck with a useless PM who just enabled them. I don't always
>>> agree with Lambie, but she is on the money with this one.
>>>
>>> Go Lambie. A donation is on it's way. If I lived in Tassie, I'd vote
>>> for her.
>>
>> I saw a bit of that on the tv news last night and I was pleasantly
>> surprised, generally I think of her as a bit of a nutter but she's on
>> the money this time.
>>
>
> **You think that Lambie is a bit of a nutter, but Scummo is sane?
>
> Really?

I think Scomo is sane, just increasingly slippery. I may have trusted
him once. Not now.

Sylvia.

On 23/11/2021 10:59 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 23-Nov-21 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 23/11/2021 8:41 am, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 23/11/21 5:05 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> Nice speech. Nice to see someone put Hanson down. Calling out
>>>> anti-vaxxers for what they are - selfish and ignorant. What a pity
>>>> we're stuck with a useless PM who just enabled them. I don't always
>>>> agree with Lambie, but she is on the money with this one.
>>>>
>>>> Go Lambie. A donation is on it's way. If I lived in Tassie, I'd vote
>>>> for her.
>>>
>>> I saw a bit of that on the tv news last night and I was pleasantly
>>> surprised, generally I think of her as a bit of a nutter but she's on
>>> the money this time.
>>>
>>
>> **You think that Lambie is a bit of a nutter, but Scummo is sane?
>>
>> Really?
>
> I think Scomo is sane, just increasingly slippery. I may have trusted
> him once. Not now.
>
> Sylvia.

I call into question the sanity of any person who believes in magical
sky fairies.

On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 12:04:13 +0800, Clocky wrote:

> On 23/11/2021 10:59 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 23-Nov-21 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 23/11/2021 8:41 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 23/11/21 5:05 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> Nice speech. Nice to see someone put Hanson down. Calling out
>>>>> anti-vaxxers for what they are - selfish and ignorant. What a pity
>>>>> we're stuck with a useless PM who just enabled them. I don't always
>>>>> agree with Lambie, but she is on the money with this one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Go Lambie. A donation is on it's way. If I lived in Tassie, I'd vote
>>>>> for her.
>>>>
>>>> I saw a bit of that on the tv news last night and I was pleasantly
>>>> surprised, generally I think of her as a bit of a nutter but she's on
>>>> the money this time.
>>>>
>>>
>>> **You think that Lambie is a bit of a nutter, but Scummo is sane?
>>>
>>> Really?
>>
>> I think Scomo is sane, just increasingly slippery. I may have trusted
>> him once. Not now.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> I call into question the sanity of any person who believes in magical
> sky fairies.

Yep, there's only two types of people who do religion. Nuts or charlatans.

alvey

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On 23-Nov-21 3:04 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 23/11/2021 10:59 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 23-Nov-21 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 23/11/2021 8:41 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 23/11/21 5:05 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> Nice speech. Nice to see someone put Hanson down. Calling out
>>>>> anti-vaxxers for what they are - selfish and ignorant. What a pity
>>>>> we're stuck with a useless PM who just enabled them. I don't always
>>>>> agree with Lambie, but she is on the money with this one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Go Lambie. A donation is on it's way. If I lived in Tassie, I'd
>>>>> vote for her.
>>>>
>>>> I saw a bit of that on the tv news last night and I was pleasantly
>>>> surprised, generally I think of her as a bit of a nutter but she's
>>>> on the money this time.
>>>>
>>>
>>> **You think that Lambie is a bit of a nutter, but Scummo is sane?
>>>
>>> Really?
>>
>> I think Scomo is sane, just increasingly slippery. I may have trusted
>> him once. Not now.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
>
> I call into question the sanity of any person who believes in magical
> sky fairies.
>
>
There is that. But to an extent, one has to forgive delusions that are
the result of indoctrination while a child, not least because
questioning the sanity of a large proportion of the world's population
is a tad disconcerting.

Religious indoctrination should be considered a form of child abuse, and
prosecuted accordingly. But I'm not holding my breath.

Sylvia.

On 23/11/2021 4:36 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 23-Nov-21 3:04 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 23/11/2021 10:59 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 23-Nov-21 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:41 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 23/11/21 5:05 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> Nice speech. Nice to see someone put Hanson down. Calling out
>>>>>> anti-vaxxers for what they are - selfish and ignorant. What a pity
>>>>>> we're stuck with a useless PM who just enabled them. I don't
>>>>>> always agree with Lambie, but she is on the money with this one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Go Lambie. A donation is on it's way. If I lived in Tassie, I'd
>>>>>> vote for her.
>>>>>
>>>>> I saw a bit of that on the tv news last night and I was pleasantly
>>>>> surprised, generally I think of her as a bit of a nutter but she's
>>>>> on the money this time.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **You think that Lambie is a bit of a nutter, but Scummo is sane?
>>>>
>>>> Really?
>>>
>>> I think Scomo is sane, just increasingly slippery. I may have trusted
>>> him once. Not now.
>>>
>>> Sylvia.
>>
>>
>> I call into question the sanity of any person who believes in magical
>> sky fairies.
>>
>>
> There is that. But to an extent, one has to forgive delusions that are
> the result of indoctrination while a child, not least because
> questioning the sanity of a large proportion of the world's population
> is a tad disconcerting.

**It's all about education. I grew up believing in that silliness, but,
by about age 13, I began to seriously question the logic of such
beliefs. How any adult could accept the concept of supernatural beliefs
is beyond, well, belief.

>
> Religious indoctrination should be considered a form of child abuse, and
> prosecuted accordingly. But I'm not holding my breath.

**I agree. It is child abuse, pure and simple. At the very least, no
child should be taught such gobbledegook in ANY educational institution,
during school hours. I have no issue with the teaching of religion, in a
purely objective, historical perspective.

On 23-Nov-21 5:08 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 23/11/2021 4:36 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 23-Nov-21 3:04 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 23/11/2021 10:59 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> On 23-Nov-21 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:41 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/11/21 5:05 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> Nice speech. Nice to see someone put Hanson down. Calling out
>>>>>>> anti-vaxxers for what they are - selfish and ignorant. What a
>>>>>>> pity we're stuck with a useless PM who just enabled them. I don't
>>>>>>> always agree with Lambie, but she is on the money with this one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Go Lambie. A donation is on it's way. If I lived in Tassie, I'd
>>>>>>> vote for her.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I saw a bit of that on the tv news last night and I was pleasantly
>>>>>> surprised, generally I think of her as a bit of a nutter but she's
>>>>>> on the money this time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> **You think that Lambie is a bit of a nutter, but Scummo is sane?
>>>>>
>>>>> Really?
>>>>
>>>> I think Scomo is sane, just increasingly slippery. I may have
>>>> trusted him once. Not now.
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>>
>>> I call into question the sanity of any person who believes in magical
>>> sky fairies.
>>>
>>>
>> There is that. But to an extent, one has to forgive delusions that are
>> the result of indoctrination while a child, not least because
>> questioning the sanity of a large proportion of the world's population
>> is a tad disconcerting.
>
> **It's all about education. I grew up believing in that silliness, but,
> by about age 13, I began to seriously question the logic of such
> beliefs. How any adult could accept the concept of supernatural beliefs
> is beyond, well, belief.

Some people have better mental defences than others. I wasn't brought up
believing in God, so I don't know how I would have fared.

Sylvia.

On 23/11/2021 3:49 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 23-Nov-21 5:08 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 23/11/2021 4:36 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 23-Nov-21 3:04 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 23/11/2021 10:59 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>> On 23-Nov-21 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:41 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>> On 23/11/21 5:05 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> Nice speech. Nice to see someone put Hanson down. Calling out
>>>>>>>> anti-vaxxers for what they are - selfish and ignorant. What a
>>>>>>>> pity we're stuck with a useless PM who just enabled them. I
>>>>>>>> don't always agree with Lambie, but she is on the money with
>>>>>>>> this one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Go Lambie. A donation is on it's way. If I lived in Tassie, I'd
>>>>>>>> vote for her.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I saw a bit of that on the tv news last night and I was
>>>>>>> pleasantly surprised, generally I think of her as a bit of a
>>>>>>> nutter but she's on the money this time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **You think that Lambie is a bit of a nutter, but Scummo is sane?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>
>>>>> I think Scomo is sane, just increasingly slippery. I may have
>>>>> trusted him once. Not now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I call into question the sanity of any person who believes in
>>>> magical sky fairies.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> There is that. But to an extent, one has to forgive delusions that
>>> are the result of indoctrination while a child, not least because
>>> questioning the sanity of a large proportion of the world's
>>> population is a tad disconcerting.
>>
>> **It's all about education. I grew up believing in that silliness,
>> but, by about age 13, I began to seriously question the logic of such
>> beliefs. How any adult could accept the concept of supernatural
>> beliefs is beyond, well, belief.
>
> Some people have better mental defences than others. I wasn't brought up
> believing in God, so I don't know how I would have fared.
>
> Sylvia.

I'm christened a Roman Catholic but worked I out it was all a load of
ridiculous nonsense by age 11.

On 23-Nov-21 7:26 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 23/11/2021 3:49 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 23-Nov-21 5:08 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 23/11/2021 4:36 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> On 23-Nov-21 3:04 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 23/11/2021 10:59 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>> On 23-Nov-21 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:41 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 23/11/21 5:05 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Nice speech. Nice to see someone put Hanson down. Calling out
>>>>>>>>> anti-vaxxers for what they are - selfish and ignorant. What a
>>>>>>>>> pity we're stuck with a useless PM who just enabled them. I
>>>>>>>>> don't always agree with Lambie, but she is on the money with
>>>>>>>>> this one.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Go Lambie. A donation is on it's way. If I lived in Tassie, I'd
>>>>>>>>> vote for her.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I saw a bit of that on the tv news last night and I was
>>>>>>>> pleasantly surprised, generally I think of her as a bit of a
>>>>>>>> nutter but she's on the money this time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **You think that Lambie is a bit of a nutter, but Scummo is sane?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think Scomo is sane, just increasingly slippery. I may have
>>>>>> trusted him once. Not now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I call into question the sanity of any person who believes in
>>>>> magical sky fairies.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> There is that. But to an extent, one has to forgive delusions that
>>>> are the result of indoctrination while a child, not least because
>>>> questioning the sanity of a large proportion of the world's
>>>> population is a tad disconcerting.
>>>
>>> **It's all about education. I grew up believing in that silliness,
>>> but, by about age 13, I began to seriously question the logic of such
>>> beliefs. How any adult could accept the concept of supernatural
>>> beliefs is beyond, well, belief.
>>
>> Some people have better mental defences than others. I wasn't brought
>> up believing in God, so I don't know how I would have fared.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> I'm christened a Roman Catholic but worked I out it was all a load of
> ridiculous nonsense by age 11.

My father was brought up Roman Catholic too, but as I said, I wasn't
brought up to believe in God, so at some point he figured it out too.

Many of the non-believers I've met were brought up as Catholics.

I think Catholic teachings contribute a lot to the growth of atheism ;)

Sylvia.

On 23/11/21 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 23/11/2021 8:41 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 23/11/21 5:05 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> Nice speech. Nice to see someone put Hanson down. Calling out
>>> anti-vaxxers for what they are - selfish and ignorant. What a pity
>>> we're stuck with a useless PM who just enabled them. I don't always
>>> agree with Lambie, but she is on the money with this one.
>>>
>>> Go Lambie. A donation is on it's way. If I lived in Tassie, I'd vote
>>> for her.
>>
>> I saw a bit of that on the tv news last night and I was pleasantly
>> surprised, generally I think of her as a bit of a nutter but she's on
>> the money this time.
>>
>
> **You think that Lambie is a bit of a nutter, but Scummo is sane?
>
> Really?

See my general comment earlier about ALL politicians.
Lambie was first elected as a member of the United Australia party and
it would be difficult to find a bigger bunch of nutters in Australian
politics.
On the positive side her background is a lot more "average working
class" than many pollies who have legal backgrounds and come from
wealthy families so its good to have people from diverse backgrounds in
politics.

--
Daryl

On 23/11/2021 4:39 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 23-Nov-21 7:26 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 23/11/2021 3:49 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 23-Nov-21 5:08 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 23/11/2021 4:36 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>> On 23-Nov-21 3:04 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 10:59 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>> On 23-Nov-21 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:41 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 23/11/21 5:05 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Nice speech. Nice to see someone put Hanson down. Calling out
>>>>>>>>>> anti-vaxxers for what they are - selfish and ignorant. What a
>>>>>>>>>> pity we're stuck with a useless PM who just enabled them. I
>>>>>>>>>> don't always agree with Lambie, but she is on the money with
>>>>>>>>>> this one.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Go Lambie. A donation is on it's way. If I lived in Tassie,
>>>>>>>>>> I'd vote for her.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I saw a bit of that on the tv news last night and I was
>>>>>>>>> pleasantly surprised, generally I think of her as a bit of a
>>>>>>>>> nutter but she's on the money this time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **You think that Lambie is a bit of a nutter, but Scummo is sane?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think Scomo is sane, just increasingly slippery. I may have
>>>>>>> trusted him once. Not now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I call into question the sanity of any person who believes in
>>>>>> magical sky fairies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> There is that. But to an extent, one has to forgive delusions that
>>>>> are the result of indoctrination while a child, not least because
>>>>> questioning the sanity of a large proportion of the world's
>>>>> population is a tad disconcerting.
>>>>
>>>> **It's all about education. I grew up believing in that silliness,
>>>> but, by about age 13, I began to seriously question the logic of
>>>> such beliefs. How any adult could accept the concept of supernatural
>>>> beliefs is beyond, well, belief.
>>>
>>> Some people have better mental defences than others. I wasn't brought
>>> up believing in God, so I don't know how I would have fared.
>>>
>>> Sylvia.
>>
>> I'm christened a Roman Catholic but worked I out it was all a load of
>> ridiculous nonsense by age 11.
>
> My father was brought up Roman Catholic too, but as I said, I wasn't
> brought up to believe in God, so at some point he figured it out too.
>
> Many of the non-believers I've met were brought up as Catholics.
>
> I think Catholic teachings contribute a lot to the growth of atheism ;)
>
> Sylvia.

For me it was an Anglican priest that helped it along. When I first came
to this country as a kid I didn't know any English and I ended up in the
Anglican scripture class through a simple misunderstanding. (I didn't
know what Anglican was, I assumed it was all the same shit). I was
scolded and thrown out of class when the preaches discovered I was a
Catholic. I was already questioning it anyway but I thought to myself,
so much for the grace of god and all that rubbish. Religious types are
deluded and fucking hypocrites with it.

On 23/11/21 5:08 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 23/11/2021 4:36 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 23-Nov-21 3:04 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 23/11/2021 10:59 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> On 23-Nov-21 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:41 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/11/21 5:05 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> Nice speech. Nice to see someone put Hanson down. Calling out
>>>>>>> anti-vaxxers for what they are - selfish and ignorant. What a
>>>>>>> pity we're stuck with a useless PM who just enabled them. I don't
>>>>>>> always agree with Lambie, but she is on the money with this one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Go Lambie. A donation is on it's way. If I lived in Tassie, I'd
>>>>>>> vote for her.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I saw a bit of that on the tv news last night and I was pleasantly
>>>>>> surprised, generally I think of her as a bit of a nutter but she's
>>>>>> on the money this time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> **You think that Lambie is a bit of a nutter, but Scummo is sane?
>>>>>
>>>>> Really?
>>>>
>>>> I think Scomo is sane, just increasingly slippery. I may have
>>>> trusted him once. Not now.
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>>
>>> I call into question the sanity of any person who believes in magical
>>> sky fairies.
>>>
>>>
>> There is that. But to an extent, one has to forgive delusions that are
>> the result of indoctrination while a child, not least because
>> questioning the sanity of a large proportion of the world's population
>> is a tad disconcerting.
>
> **It's all about education. I grew up believing in that silliness, but,
> by about age 13, I began to seriously question the logic of such
> beliefs. How any adult could accept the concept of supernatural beliefs
> is beyond, well, belief.
>
Age ~13 is when kids begin to *question everything*. The problem is that
the *indoctrination*, and that is what it is, begins much, much earlier
at an age where kids will accept anything and everything.
>>
>> Religious indoctrination should be considered a form of child abuse,
>> and prosecuted accordingly. But I'm not holding my breath.
>
> **I agree. It is child abuse, pure and simple. At the very least, no
> child should be taught such gobbledegook in ANY educational institution,
> during school hours. I have no issue with the teaching of religion, in a
> purely objective, historical perspective.

A child should be taught about *every single religion*, with no
exclusions. It should *not* occur until High School and definitely not
until the child exits the concrete thinking stage. Children should
preferably be taught about religion by someone like Richard Dawkins or
Daniel Dennett.

--
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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 23/11/21 6:49 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 23-Nov-21 5:08 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 23/11/2021 4:36 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 23-Nov-21 3:04 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 23/11/2021 10:59 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>> On 23-Nov-21 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:41 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>> On 23/11/21 5:05 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> Nice speech. Nice to see someone put Hanson down. Calling out
>>>>>>>> anti-vaxxers for what they are - selfish and ignorant. What a
>>>>>>>> pity we're stuck with a useless PM who just enabled them. I
>>>>>>>> don't always agree with Lambie, but she is on the money with
>>>>>>>> this one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Go Lambie. A donation is on it's way. If I lived in Tassie, I'd
>>>>>>>> vote for her.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I saw a bit of that on the tv news last night and I was
>>>>>>> pleasantly surprised, generally I think of her as a bit of a
>>>>>>> nutter but she's on the money this time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **You think that Lambie is a bit of a nutter, but Scummo is sane?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>
>>>>> I think Scomo is sane, just increasingly slippery. I may have
>>>>> trusted him once. Not now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I call into question the sanity of any person who believes in
>>>> magical sky fairies.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> There is that. But to an extent, one has to forgive delusions that
>>> are the result of indoctrination while a child, not least because
>>> questioning the sanity of a large proportion of the world's
>>> population is a tad disconcerting.
>>
>> **It's all about education. I grew up believing in that silliness,
>> but, by about age 13, I began to seriously question the logic of such
>> beliefs. How any adult could accept the concept of supernatural
>> beliefs is beyond, well, belief.
>
> Some people have better mental defences than others. I wasn't brought up
> believing in God, so I don't know how I would have fared.
>
> Sylvia.

I was brought up by a parent who was religious and a parent who wasn't.

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 23/11/21 7:39 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 23-Nov-21 7:26 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 23/11/2021 3:49 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 23-Nov-21 5:08 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 23/11/2021 4:36 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>> On 23-Nov-21 3:04 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 10:59 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>> On 23-Nov-21 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:41 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 23/11/21 5:05 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Nice speech. Nice to see someone put Hanson down. Calling out
>>>>>>>>>> anti-vaxxers for what they are - selfish and ignorant. What a
>>>>>>>>>> pity we're stuck with a useless PM who just enabled them. I
>>>>>>>>>> don't always agree with Lambie, but she is on the money with
>>>>>>>>>> this one.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Go Lambie. A donation is on it's way. If I lived in Tassie,
>>>>>>>>>> I'd vote for her.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I saw a bit of that on the tv news last night and I was
>>>>>>>>> pleasantly surprised, generally I think of her as a bit of a
>>>>>>>>> nutter but she's on the money this time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **You think that Lambie is a bit of a nutter, but Scummo is sane?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think Scomo is sane, just increasingly slippery. I may have
>>>>>>> trusted him once. Not now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I call into question the sanity of any person who believes in
>>>>>> magical sky fairies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> There is that. But to an extent, one has to forgive delusions that
>>>>> are the result of indoctrination while a child, not least because
>>>>> questioning the sanity of a large proportion of the world's
>>>>> population is a tad disconcerting.
>>>>
>>>> **It's all about education. I grew up believing in that silliness,
>>>> but, by about age 13, I began to seriously question the logic of
>>>> such beliefs. How any adult could accept the concept of supernatural
>>>> beliefs is beyond, well, belief.
>>>
>>> Some people have better mental defences than others. I wasn't brought
>>> up believing in God, so I don't know how I would have fared.
>>>
>>> Sylvia.
>>
>> I'm christened a Roman Catholic but worked I out it was all a load of
>> ridiculous nonsense by age 11.
>
> My father was brought up Roman Catholic too, but as I said, I wasn't
> brought up to believe in God, so at some point he figured it out too.
>
> Many of the non-believers I've met were brought up as Catholics.
>
> I think Catholic teachings contribute a lot to the growth of atheism ;)
>
> Sylvia.

A friend from long ago, a South American, did three or four years in a
Catholic seminary in Venezuela. After that period of time engaged in
fairly intense study, he left it all behind, his only comment on
religion being "bullshit".

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Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 23/11/21 7:43 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 23/11/21 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 23/11/2021 8:41 am, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 23/11/21 5:05 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> Nice speech. Nice to see someone put Hanson down. Calling out
>>>> anti-vaxxers for what they are - selfish and ignorant. What a pity
>>>> we're stuck with a useless PM who just enabled them. I don't always
>>>> agree with Lambie, but she is on the money with this one.
>>>>
>>>> Go Lambie. A donation is on it's way. If I lived in Tassie, I'd vote
>>>> for her.
>>>
>>> I saw a bit of that on the tv news last night and I was pleasantly
>>> surprised, generally I think of her as a bit of a nutter but she's on
>>> the money this time.
>>>
>>
>> **You think that Lambie is a bit of a nutter, but Scummo is sane?
>>
>> Really?
>
> See my general comment earlier about ALL politicians.
> Lambie was first elected as a member of the United Australia party and
> it would be difficult to find a bigger bunch of nutters in Australian
> politics.
> On the positive side her background is a lot more "average working
> class" than many pollies who have legal backgrounds and come from
> wealthy families so its good to have people from diverse backgrounds in
> politics.
>
>
You'll be pushing Darren the liar to try for preselection next.

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Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 23/11/2021 5:08 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 23/11/2021 4:36 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:

>> There is that. But to an extent, one has to forgive delusions that are
>> the result of indoctrination while a child, not least because
>> questioning the sanity of a large proportion of the world's population
>> is a tad disconcerting.
>
> **It's all about education. I grew up believing in that silliness, but,
> by about age 13, I began to seriously question the logic of such
> beliefs. How any adult could accept the concept of supernatural beliefs
> is beyond, well, belief.

Well you should be pointing that bone at your parents, as they're the
ones who set you on that path.

I have no problem with religion per se', as long as it's not rammed down
my throat. And regardless of what you may happen to think, it's not all
bad. For some, particularly the elderly, it's a form of social network
that doesn't exist anywhere else.

Take my mother in law for example. She's in her 80's, and she goes to
Church every Sunday morning. She sings in the church choir, she helps
out with fetes and meals for others and so on. I don't think she's
overly religious, in fact I have no idea if she has a theological bent
or not as I don't ask and she doesn't say. To her it seems to be about
the social gatherings. Meeting up with her friends, helping those who
need it, and feeling like she has a purpose.

If that's what she likes to do it's fine with me, and if she chooses to
do it under the umbrella of the local Church I couldn't care less. As
long as she doesn't force her views onto others then it's no one else's
business what she believes in.

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Regards,
Noddy.

On 23/11/21 10:00 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 23/11/2021 5:08 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 23/11/2021 4:36 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>
>>> There is that. But to an extent, one has to forgive delusions that
>>> are the result of indoctrination while a child, not least because
>>> questioning the sanity of a large proportion of the world's
>>> population is a tad disconcerting.
>>
>> **It's all about education. I grew up believing in that silliness,
>> but, by about age 13, I began to seriously question the logic of such
>> beliefs. How any adult could accept the concept of supernatural
>> beliefs is beyond, well, belief.
>
> Well you should be pointing that bone at your parents, as they're the
> ones who set you on that path.
>
> I have no problem with religion per se', as long as it's not rammed down
> my throat. And regardless of what you may happen to think, it's not all
> bad. For some, particularly the elderly, it's a form of social network
> that doesn't exist anywhere else.
>
> Take my mother in law for example. She's in her 80's, and she goes to
> Church every Sunday morning. She sings in the church choir, she helps
> out with fetes and meals for others and so on. I don't think she's
> overly religious, in fact I have no idea if she has a theological bent
> or not as I don't ask and she doesn't say. To her it seems to be about
> the social gatherings. Meeting up with her friends, helping those who
> need it, and feeling like she has a purpose.

There is certainly that aspect to it, I've also seen business people
using church for networking where they meet like minded people.
My wife is a church elder and many of my friends and relatives go to
church, I would also call a few ministers friends but interestingly they
know that I'm not interested in religion so they never try to preach to me.
I've even been to plenty of church social functions and not once has
anyone preached to me and I don't waste my time telling them my views so
we get along just fine.
I suspect that quite a few people go to church for the social
interaction rather than being overly religious.

>
> If that's what she likes to do it's fine with me, and if she chooses to
> do it under the umbrella of the local Church I couldn't care less. As
> long as she doesn't force her views onto others then it's no one else's
> business what she believes in.
>
Better for her to have a social life and be happy than to sit around and
be miserable, better for her health too.

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On 23/11/21 10:23 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 23/11/21 10:00 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 23/11/2021 5:08 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 23/11/2021 4:36 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>
>>>> There is that. But to an extent, one has to forgive delusions that
>>>> are the result of indoctrination while a child, not least because
>>>> questioning the sanity of a large proportion of the world's
>>>> population is a tad disconcerting.
>>>
>>> **It's all about education. I grew up believing in that silliness,
>>> but, by about age 13, I began to seriously question the logic of such
>>> beliefs. How any adult could accept the concept of supernatural
>>> beliefs is beyond, well, belief.
>>
>> Well you should be pointing that bone at your parents, as they're the
>> ones who set you on that path.
>>
>> I have no problem with religion per se', as long as it's not rammed
>> down my throat. And regardless of what you may happen to think, it's
>> not all bad. For some, particularly the elderly, it's a form of social
>> network that doesn't exist anywhere else.
>>
>> Take my mother in law for example. She's in her 80's, and she goes to
>> Church every Sunday morning. She sings in the church choir, she helps
>> out with fetes and meals for others and so on. I don't think she's
>> overly religious, in fact I have no idea if she has a theological bent
>> or not as I don't ask and she doesn't say. To her it seems to be about
>> the social gatherings. Meeting up with her friends, helping those who
>> need it, and feeling like she has a purpose.
>
> There is certainly that aspect to it, I've also seen business people
> using church for networking where they meet like minded people.
> My wife is a church elder and many of my friends and relatives go to
> church, I would also call a few ministers friends but interestingly they
> know that I'm not interested in religion so they never try to preach to me.
> I've even been to plenty of church social functions and not once has
> anyone preached to me and I don't waste my time telling them my views so
> we get along just fine.
> I suspect that quite a few people go to church for the social
> interaction rather than being overly religious.
>
>>
>> If that's what she likes to do it's fine with me, and if she chooses
>> to do it under the umbrella of the local Church I couldn't care less.
>> As long as she doesn't force her views onto others then it's no one
>> else's business what she believes in.
>>
> Better for her to have a social life and be happy than to sit around and
> be miserable, better for her health too.
>
Yeah, it'd be dreadful if she was like her son Darren.

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 23/11/2021 10:23 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 23/11/21 10:00 pm, Noddy wrote:

>>
>> Take my mother in law for example. She's in her 80's, and she goes to
>> Church every Sunday morning. She sings in the church choir, she helps
>> out with fetes and meals for others and so on. I don't think she's
>> overly religious, in fact I have no idea if she has a theological bent
>> or not as I don't ask and she doesn't say. To her it seems to be about
>> the social gatherings. Meeting up with her friends, helping those who
>> need it, and feeling like she has a purpose.
>
> There is certainly that aspect to it, I've also seen business people
> using church for networking where they meet like minded people.
> My wife is a church elder and many of my friends and relatives go to
> church, I would also call a few ministers friends but interestingly they
> know that I'm not interested in religion so they never try to preach to me.
> I've even been to plenty of church social functions and not once has
> anyone preached to me and I don't waste my time telling them my views so
> we get along just fine.

Which is exactly how it should be. What other people want to believe in
is *their* business, and as long as it doesn't impact on me I couldn't
care less. The corner block next door to me got sold recently to a
Samoan Church group who want to build a church on it. Great. Knock
yourselves out and have a blast. I *really* couldn't care less as long
as I'm not affected by it.

To me religion is like a penis. Play with it all you want, but don't get
it out in public and don't try to ram it down anyone else's throat.

> I suspect that quite a few people go to church for the social
> interaction rather than being overly religious.

I think some of the clergy themselves aren't overly religious. There has
long been a Modernist movement within the Catholic Church (and
presumably others) that subscribes to the view that the writings of the
Bible are more a case of historical myth rather than an accurate factual
account of the history of mankind.
>> If that's what she likes to do it's fine with me, and if she chooses
>> to do it under the umbrella of the local Church I couldn't care less.
>> As long as she doesn't force her views onto others then it's no one
>> else's business what she believes in.
>>
> Better for her to have a social life and be happy than to sit around and
> be miserable, better for her health too.

Indeed.

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Regards,
Noddy.