If you google how to clean stuff, in fact all kinds of stuff, wood,
ceramics, metals, plastics, boat, car, bathroom, kitchen, whatever you
get a lot of results saying to mix baking soda with vinegar. Now I am no
chemist but I have an idea that mixing an Alkali with an acid might
produce a bit of froth momentarily but is really pointless in terms of
mixing up a cleaning product. Doesn't it just make water?

TW

TimW <timw@nothanks.com> wrote:
> If you google how to clean stuff, in fact all kinds of stuff, wood,
> ceramics, metals, plastics, boat, car, bathroom, kitchen, whatever you
> get a lot of results saying to mix baking soda with vinegar. Now I am no
> chemist but I have an idea that mixing an Alkali with an acid might
> produce a bit of froth momentarily but is really pointless in terms of
> mixing up a cleaning product. Doesn't it just make water?
>
> TW
>
>

I’ve seen this a lot. I can only assume it comes from folk who didn’t pay
attention at school.

Tim

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On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 04:56:27 +1100, TimW <timw@nothanks.com> wrote:

> If you google how to clean stuff, in fact all kinds of stuff, wood,
> ceramics, metals, plastics, boat, car, bathroom, kitchen, whatever you
> get a lot of results saying to mix baking soda with vinegar.

> Now I am no chemist

That's obvious.

> but I have an idea that mixing an Alkali with an acid might produce a
> bit of froth momentarily but is really pointless in terms of mixing up a
> cleaning product. Doesn't it just make water?

No, a solution of sodium salts.

On 12 Oct 2022 at 18:56:27 BST, TimW <timw@nothanks.com> wrote:

> If you google how to clean stuff, in fact all kinds of stuff, wood,
> ceramics, metals, plastics, boat, car, bathroom, kitchen, whatever you
> get a lot of results saying to mix baking soda with vinegar. Now I am no
> chemist but I have an idea that mixing an Alkali with an acid might
> produce a bit of froth momentarily but is really pointless in terms of
> mixing up a cleaning product. Doesn't it just make water?

and sodium citrate or whatever.

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On 12/10/2022 18:56, TimW wrote:
> If you google how to clean stuff, in fact all kinds of stuff, wood,
> ceramics, metals, plastics, boat, car, bathroom, kitchen, whatever you
> get a lot of results saying to mix baking soda with vinegar. Now I am no
> chemist but I have an idea that mixing an Alkali with an acid might
> produce a bit of froth momentarily but is really pointless in terms of
> mixing up a cleaning product. Doesn't it just make water?
Baking soda paste on its own is a mild abrasive. Add vinegar in situ and
it might lift some cosmetic dirt but will end up as dilute sodium
acetate. Toothpaste will be almost as good.

Alumina suspension is a whole lot better trade name Cif.
Variant sold for ceramic hobs is quite good for glass.

And chrome polish or T-cut is finer still.

Various solvents and reducing acids will take out certain stains.
Some of the more effective ones are now banned (toxic/carcinogenic).

Never underestimate the power of microwaving a half lemon to get
stubborn marks out of a microwave oven. Citral vapour is a remarkably
good and relatively safe solvent for baked on oily gunge.

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On 12/10/2022 20:28, Tim+ wrote:
> TimW <timw@nothanks.com> wrote:
>> If you google how to clean stuff, in fact all kinds of stuff, wood,
>> ceramics, metals, plastics, boat, car, bathroom, kitchen, whatever you
>> get a lot of results saying to mix baking soda with vinegar. Now I am no
>> chemist but I have an idea that mixing an Alkali with an acid might
>> produce a bit of froth momentarily but is really pointless in terms of
>> mixing up a cleaning product. Doesn't it just make water?
>>
>> TW
>>
>>
>
> I’ve seen this a lot. I can only assume it comes from folk who didn’t pay
> attention at school.
>
> Tim
>

Often seen as a remedy for clearing a blocked sink drain, the idea being
that the frothing pushes the blockage out. I doubt if a sink is that
blocked any frothing would provide enough pressure.

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"TimW" <timw@nothanks.com> wrote in message
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> If you google how to clean stuff, in fact all kinds of stuff, wood,
> ceramics, metals, plastics, boat, car, bathroom, kitchen, whatever you get
> a lot of results saying to mix baking soda with vinegar. Now I am no
> chemist but I have an idea that mixing an Alkali with an acid might
> produce a bit of froth momentarily but is really pointless in terms of
> mixing up a cleaning product. Doesn't it just make water?
>
> TW
>

I have to laugh when Brian Blesseds voice advertises what sounds like Flash
white Dung or something like that.
Brian

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"Martin Brown" <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On 12/10/2022 18:56, TimW wrote:
>> If you google how to clean stuff, in fact all kinds of stuff, wood,
>> ceramics, metals, plastics, boat, car, bathroom, kitchen, whatever you
>> get a lot of results saying to mix baking soda with vinegar. Now I am no
>> chemist but I have an idea that mixing an Alkali with an acid might
>> produce a bit of froth momentarily but is really pointless in terms of
>> mixing up a cleaning product. Doesn't it just make water?
> Baking soda paste on its own is a mild abrasive. Add vinegar in situ and
> it might lift some cosmetic dirt but will end up as dilute sodium acetate.
> Toothpaste will be almost as good.
>
> Alumina suspension is a whole lot better trade name Cif.
> Variant sold for ceramic hobs is quite good for glass.
>
> And chrome polish or T-cut is finer still.
>
> Various solvents and reducing acids will take out certain stains.
> Some of the more effective ones are now banned (toxic/carcinogenic).
>
> Never underestimate the power of microwaving a half lemon to get stubborn
> marks out of a microwave oven. Citral vapour is a remarkably good and
> relatively safe solvent for baked on oily gunge.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Martin Brown
>

On 13/10/2022 05:28, alan_m wrote:
> On 12/10/2022 20:28, Tim+ wrote:
>> TimW <timw@nothanks.com> wrote:
>>> If you google how to clean stuff, in fact all kinds of stuff, wood,
>>> ceramics, metals, plastics, boat, car, bathroom, kitchen, whatever you
>>> get a lot of results saying to mix baking soda with vinegar. Now I am no
>>> chemist but I have an idea that mixing an Alkali with an acid might
>>> produce a bit of froth momentarily but is really pointless in terms of
>>> mixing up a cleaning product. Doesn't it just make water?
>>>
>>> TW
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I’ve seen this a lot.  I can only assume it comes from folk who didn’t
>> pay
>> attention at school.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>
> Often seen as a remedy for clearing a blocked sink drain, the idea being
> that the frothing pushes the blockage out. I doubt if a sink is that
> blocked any frothing would provide enough pressure.

Highly unlikely to do any good. Neat caustic or a gel formulation is the
best best (wear gloves and eye protection - it is unforgiving).
>

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On 10/13/2022 4:04 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
> On 13/10/2022 05:28, alan_m wrote:
>> On 12/10/2022 20:28, Tim+ wrote:
>>> TimW <timw@nothanks.com> wrote:
>>>> If you google how to clean stuff, in fact all kinds of stuff, wood,
>>>> ceramics, metals, plastics, boat, car, bathroom, kitchen, whatever you
>>>> get a lot of results saying to mix baking soda with vinegar. Now I am no
>>>> chemist but I have an idea that mixing an Alkali with an acid might
>>>> produce a bit of froth momentarily but is really pointless in terms of
>>>> mixing up a cleaning product. Doesn't it just make water?
>>>>
>>>> TW
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I’ve seen this a lot.  I can only assume it comes from folk who didn’t pay
>>> attention at school.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>
>> Often seen as a remedy for clearing a blocked sink drain, the idea being that the frothing pushes the blockage out. I doubt if a sink is that blocked any frothing would provide enough pressure.
>
> Highly unlikely to do any good. Neat caustic or a gel formulation is the best best (wear gloves and eye protection - it is unforgiving).
>>
>
Blocked sink drain == use a "snake"

I have two snakes here, for blockages. One has a bit of
an auger on the end, for working through a plug-up of
some material. The second one is the steel band type,
for working with smaller plumbing that cannot take
the auger on a bend.

For a blocked frozen sump line, use a snake, then strap a
1/4" poly tube to it. Move the snake down to the frozen
blockage. Run a trickle of hot water down the poly tube.
After about 10 minutes work, the frozen plug will be freed.
You advance the snake down the sump line, as the frozen
area melts ahead of your tube. The snake is there, so you
can work the limp plastic line down to the plugged spot.

So the snake can also be used as a leader, for dragging
other stuff down a pipe.

*******

The problem with chemical formulations, is some of them
damage the pipes and cause "pinholes" to appear in the
medal. For example, in a bathroom basin, say a P-trap
metal tube, that metal will react with your strong
chemical. The company making the chemical does not
care, because it's not their sink!!! If the entire
path was made of iron pipe, or black plastic pipe, the
chemical might well be OK.

The reason I mention it, is the pipes back home were
damaged by that crap, and I was the guy to discover
where the pinholes were located :-/ Senseless damage.

*******

Is using a snake messy ? Does it constitute "work" ???

Yes :-/

No more chemicals for me, thanks. Imagine cleaning
your snake later, when it is coated with conc sodium
hydroxide from the chemical. That's what happens when
you get a call to auger through an attempted chemical
cure. Yes, you do have to clean the snake. Or it'll
stink where ever you keep it.

Paul

On 13/10/2022 14:17, Paul wrote:

> I have two snakes here, for blockages. One has a bit of
> an auger on the end, for working through a plug-up of
> some material. The second one is the steel band type,
> for working with smaller plumbing that cannot take
> the auger on a bend.

Always handy to have a length of net curtain wire - effectively a metres
long thin spring with a plastic covering that is robust enough to push
through gunge.

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On Fri, 14 Oct 2022 00:17:16 +1100, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

> On 10/13/2022 4:04 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
>> On 13/10/2022 05:28, alan_m wrote:
>>> On 12/10/2022 20:28, Tim+ wrote:
>>>> TimW <timw@nothanks.com> wrote:
>>>>> If you google how to clean stuff, in fact all kinds of stuff, wood,
>>>>> ceramics, metals, plastics, boat, car, bathroom, kitchen, whatever
>>>>> you
>>>>> get a lot of results saying to mix baking soda with vinegar. Now I
>>>>> am no
>>>>> chemist but I have an idea that mixing an Alkali with an acid might
>>>>> produce a bit of froth momentarily but is really pointless in terms
>>>>> of
>>>>> mixing up a cleaning product. Doesn't it just make water?
>>>>>
>>>>> TW
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I’ve seen this a lot. I can only assume it comes from folk who
>>>> didn’t pay
>>>> attention at school.
>>>>
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>
>>> Often seen as a remedy for clearing a blocked sink drain, the idea
>>> being that the frothing pushes the blockage out. I doubt if a sink is
>>> that blocked any frothing would provide enough pressure.
>> Highly unlikely to do any good. Neat caustic or a gel formulation is
>> the best best (wear gloves and eye protection - it is unforgiving).
>>>
>>
> Blocked sink drain == use a "snake"
>
> I have two snakes here, for blockages. One has a bit of
> an auger on the end, for working through a plug-up of
> some material. The second one is the steel band type,
> for working with smaller plumbing that cannot take
> the auger on a bend.
>
> For a blocked frozen sump line, use a snake, then strap a
> 1/4" poly tube to it. Move the snake down to the frozen
> blockage. Run a trickle of hot water down the poly tube.
> After about 10 minutes work, the frozen plug will be freed.
> You advance the snake down the sump line, as the frozen
> area melts ahead of your tube. The snake is there, so you
> can work the limp plastic line down to the plugged spot.
>
> So the snake can also be used as a leader, for dragging
> other stuff down a pipe.
>
> *******

> The problem with chemical formulations, is some of them
> damage the pipes and cause "pinholes" to appear in the
> medal. For example, in a bathroom basin, say a P-trap
> metal tube, that metal will react with your strong chemical.

Depends on the chemical, that doesn't happen with caustic soda.

Plumber mate of mine used to tip an entire winchester of conc
nitric acid down a blocked drain, from the chem store at work.
That doesn't affect metal either.

> The company making the chemical does not
> care, because it's not their sink!!! If the entire
> path was made of iron pipe, or black plasticpipe, the chemical might
> well be OK.

> The reason I mention it, is the pipes back home were
> damaged by that crap, and I was the guy to discover
> where the pinholes were located :-/ Senseless damage.
>
> *******
>
> Is using a snake messy ? Does it constitute "work" ???
>
> Yes :-/
>
> No more chemicals for me, thanks. Imagine cleaning
> your snake later, when it is coated with conc sodium
> hydroxide from the chemical. That's what happens when
> you get a call to auger through an attempted chemical
> cure. Yes, you do have to clean the snake. Or it'll
> stink where ever you keep it.

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On Wed, 12 Oct 2022 21:46:14 +0100, Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk>
wrote:

>Never underestimate the power of microwaving a half lemon to get
>stubborn marks out of a microwave oven. Citral vapour is a remarkably
>good and relatively safe solvent for baked on oily gunge.

Never heard that one! Intrigued, thanks.

Lemon peel would be sufficient, I guess? Citral sounds like in the peel, not in
the flesh...

Thomas Prufer

The French use English Brown sauce for cleaning Brass etc.
They laugh at the thought of actually eating it.

Andrew

On 13/10/2022 08:01, Brian Gaff wrote:
> Coka Cola cleans pennies.
> Brian
>

On Tue, 1 Nov 2022 17:31:57 +0000
Andrew <Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com> wrote:

> The French use English Brown sauce for cleaning Brass etc.
> They laugh at the thought of actually eating it.
>

As we do about eating snails and frogs' legs.

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On Thursday, 13 October 2022 at 05:28:45 UTC+1, alan_m wrote:
> On 12/10/2022 20:28, Tim+ wrote:
> > TimW <ti...@nothanks.com> wrote:
> >> If you google how to clean stuff, in fact all kinds of stuff, wood,
> >> ceramics, metals, plastics, boat, car, bathroom, kitchen, whatever you
> >> get a lot of results saying to mix baking soda with vinegar. Now I am no
> >> chemist but I have an idea that mixing an Alkali with an acid might
> >> produce a bit of froth momentarily but is really pointless in terms of
> >> mixing up a cleaning product. Doesn't it just make water?
> >>
> >> TW
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I’ve seen this a lot. I can only assume it comes from folk who didn’t pay
> > attention at school.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> Often seen as a remedy for clearing a blocked sink drain, the idea being
> that the frothing pushes the blockage out. I doubt if a sink is that
> blocked any frothing would provide enough pressure.

The frothing causes no pressure as it's not constrained.
Baking soda does have some cleaning ability with clothes & carpet, have used it now & then when other things didn't work. But like any magic natural cleaner, it's a rubbish general purpose cleaner, more a specific treatment.