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SubjectAuthor
* Loading up the loot.Peter Jason
+* Re: Loading up the loot.Rod Speed
|`* Re: Loading up the loot.Max
| `* Re: Loading up the loot.Rod Speed
|  `* Re: Loading up the loot.Max
|   `* Re: Loading up the loot.Rod Speed
|    `* Re: Loading up the loot.Max
|     `* Re: Loading up the loot.Rod Speed
|      `* Re: Loading up the loot.Max
|       `* Re: Loading up the loot.Rod Speed
|        `* Re: Loading up the loot.Max
|         `* Re: Loading up the loot.Rod Speed
|          `* Re: Loading up the loot.Max
|           `* Re: Loading up the loot.Rod Speed
|            `* Re: Loading up the loot.Max
|             `- Re: Loading up the loot.Rod Speed
+- Re: Loading up the loot.Ozix
`- Re: Loading up the loot.Sylvia Else

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 by: Peter Jason - Fri, 30 Sep 2022 05:36 UTC

I live in town. Always there's items discarded on the footpath no
doubt from landlords clearing out the previous tenant's mess. I
loaded up some stuff last evening...a floor oscillating-fan, two floor
heaters (one oscillating) a Gerni device and a new broom handle.
Everything works except perhaps the Gerni.
Is this "finders keepers"? Has the ejected tenant any further rights
to his stuff?

Re: Loading up the loot.

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From: rod.spee...@gmail.com (Rod Speed)
Newsgroups: aus.legal
Subject: Re: Loading up the loot.
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 by: Rod Speed - Fri, 30 Sep 2022 06:20 UTC

Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote

> I live in town. Always there's items discarded on the footpath no
> doubt from landlords clearing out the previous tenant's mess.

Much more often it is stuff discarded by those who don't have
any way to get rid of it.

> I loaded up some stuff last evening...a floor oscillating-fan, two floor
> heaters (one oscillating) a Gerni device and a new broom handle.

> Everything works except perhaps the Gerni.

> Is this "finders keepers"?

Not if it has been dumped there by a landlord who has evicted a tenant.

> Has the ejected tenant any further rights to his stuff?

Yep, if it has been dumped there by the landlord who has
evicted them or has skipped with the rent owing, its still his.

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 by: Ozix - Fri, 30 Sep 2022 07:58 UTC

Peter Jason wrote:
> I live in town. Always there's items discarded on the footpath no
> doubt from landlords clearing out the previous tenant's mess. I
> loaded up some stuff last evening...a floor oscillating-fan, two floor
> heaters (one oscillating) a Gerni device and a new broom handle.
> Everything works except perhaps the Gerni.
> Is this "finders keepers"? Has the ejected tenant any further rights
> to his stuff?
>

You could plead ignorance, say you thought it was hard rubbish verge
pickup this weekend.

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From: max...@val.morgan (Max)
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Subject: Re: Loading up the loot.
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 by: Max - Fri, 30 Sep 2022 08:36 UTC

On 30/09/2022 4:20 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>
>> I live in town.  Always there's items discarded on the footpath no
>> doubt from landlords clearing out the previous tenant's mess.
>
> Much more often it is stuff discarded by those who don't have
> any way to get rid of it.
>
>> I loaded up some stuff last evening...a floor oscillating-fan, two floor
>> heaters (one oscillating) a Gerni device and a new broom handle.
>
>> Everything works except perhaps the Gerni.
>
>> Is this "finders keepers"?
>
> Not if it has been dumped there by a landlord who has evicted a tenant.
>
>> Has the ejected tenant any further rights  to his stuff?
>
> Yep, if it has been dumped there by the landlord who has
> evicted them or has skipped with the rent owing, its still his.

It depends on where the items are.

Are they on private property or public land such as the verge, pavement
or road?

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Subject: Re: Loading up the loot.
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 by: Rod Speed - Fri, 30 Sep 2022 09:02 UTC

Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote

>>> I live in town. Always there's items discarded on the footpath no
>>> doubt from landlords clearing out the previous tenant's mess.

>> Much more often it is stuff discarded by those who don't have
>> any way to get rid of it.

>>> I loaded up some stuff last evening...a floor oscillating-fan, two
>>> floor
>>> heaters (one oscillating) a Gerni device and a new broom handle.

>>> Everything works except perhaps the Gerni.

>>> Is this "finders keepers"?

>> Not if it has been dumped there by a landlord who has evicted a tenant.

>>> Has the ejected tenant any further rights to his stuff?

>> Yep, if it has been dumped there by the landlord who has
>> evicted them or has skipped with the rent owing, its still his.

> It depends on where the items are.

Nope.

> Are they on private property or public land such as the verge, pavement
> or road?

Irrelevant if the landlord has dumped it after having evicted
the tenant or the tenant has skipped after failing to pay the
rent or if somone has dumped what they no longer need.

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Subject: Re: Loading up the loot.
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 by: Sylvia Else - Sat, 1 Oct 2022 00:43 UTC

On 30-Sept-22 3:36 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
> I live in town. Always there's items discarded on the footpath no
> doubt from landlords clearing out the previous tenant's mess. I
> loaded up some stuff last evening...a floor oscillating-fan, two floor
> heaters (one oscillating) a Gerni device and a new broom handle.
> Everything works except perhaps the Gerni.
> Is this "finders keepers"? Has the ejected tenant any further rights
> to his stuff?

The tenant would have a better claim on the item than you would. But I
don't see that you would be subject to a theft charge, for example,
because you could reasonably argue that you believed it had been abandoned.

Sylvia.

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Subject: Re: Loading up the loot.
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 by: Max - Sat, 1 Oct 2022 07:41 UTC

On 30/09/2022 7:02 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>
>>>> I live in town.  Always there's items discarded on the footpath no
>>>> doubt from landlords clearing out the previous tenant's mess.
>
>>>  Much more often it is stuff discarded by those who don't have
>>> any way to get rid of it.
>
>>>> I loaded up some stuff last evening...a floor oscillating-fan, two
>>>> floor
>>>> heaters (one oscillating) a Gerni device and a new broom handle.
>
>>>> Everything works except perhaps the Gerni.
>
>>>> Is this "finders keepers"?
>
>>>  Not if it has been dumped there by a landlord who has evicted a tenant.
>
>>>> Has the ejected tenant any further rights  to his stuff?
>
>>> Yep, if it has been dumped there by the landlord who has
>>> evicted them or has skipped with the rent owing, its still his.
>
>> It depends on where the items are.
>
> Nope.
>
>> Are they on private property or public land such as the verge,
>> pavement or road?
>
> Irrelevant if the landlord has dumped it after having evicted
> the tenant or the tenant has skipped after failing to pay the
> rent or if somone has dumped what they no longer need.

There is a time period, possibly something like 30 days, after which
they are regarded as uncollected goods.

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 by: Rod Speed - Sat, 1 Oct 2022 09:08 UTC

Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote

>>>>> I live in town. Always there's items discarded on the footpath no
>>>>> doubt from landlords clearing out the previous tenant's mess.
>>
>>>> Much more often it is stuff discarded by those who don't have
>>>> any way to get rid of it.
>>
>>>>> I loaded up some stuff last evening...a floor oscillating-fan, two
>>>>> floor
>>>>> heaters (one oscillating) a Gerni device and a new broom handle.
>>
>>>>> Everything works except perhaps the Gerni.
>>
>>>>> Is this "finders keepers"?
>>
>>>> Not if it has been dumped there by a landlord who has evicted a
>>>> tenant.
>>
>>>>> Has the ejected tenant any further rights to his stuff?
>>
>>>> Yep, if it has been dumped there by the landlord who has
>>>> evicted them or has skipped with the rent owing, its still his.

>>> It depends on where the items are.

>> Nope.

>>> Are they on private property or public land such as the verge,
>>> pavement or road?

>> Irrelevant if the landlord has dumped it after having evicted
>> the tenant or the tenant has skipped after failing to pay the
>> rent or if somone has dumped what they no longer need.

> There is a time period, possibly something like 30 days,after which
> they are regarded as uncollected goods.

Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant claim about where they are located.

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 by: Max - Sat, 1 Oct 2022 23:41 UTC

On 1/10/2022 7:08 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>
>>>>>> I live in town.  Always there's items discarded on the footpath no
>>>>>> doubt from landlords clearing out the previous tenant's mess.
>>>
>>>>>  Much more often it is stuff discarded by those who don't have
>>>>> any way to get rid of it.
>>>
>>>>>> I loaded up some stuff last evening...a floor oscillating-fan, two
>>>>>> floor
>>>>>> heaters (one oscillating) a Gerni device and a new broom handle.
>>>
>>>>>> Everything works except perhaps the Gerni.
>>>
>>>>>> Is this "finders keepers"?
>>>
>>>>>  Not if it has been dumped there by a landlord who has evicted a
>>>>> tenant.
>>>
>>>>>> Has the ejected tenant any further rights  to his stuff?
>>>
>>>>> Yep, if it has been dumped there by the landlord who has
>>>>> evicted them or has skipped with the rent owing, its still his.
>
>>>> It depends on where the items are.
>
>>>  Nope.
>
>>>> Are they on private property or public land such as the verge,
>>>> pavement or road?
>
>>>  Irrelevant if the landlord has dumped it after having evicted
>>> the tenant or the tenant has skipped after failing to pay the
>>> rent or if somone has dumped what they no longer need.
>
>> There is a time period, possibly something like 30 days,after which
>> they are regarded as uncollected goods.
>
> Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant claim about where they are located.

If the goods are on private property, then they are never uncollected.
If they are on public property, then they can be uncollected.

Therefore, it matters where the goods are located.

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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 2 Oct 2022 02:08 UTC

Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote

>>>>>>> I live in town. Always there's items discarded on the footpath no
>>>>>>> doubt from landlords clearing out the previous tenant's mess.
>>>>
>>>>>> Much more often it is stuff discarded by those who don't have
>>>>>> any way to get rid of it.
>>>>
>>>>>>> I loaded up some stuff last evening...a floor oscillating-fan, two
>>>>>>> floor
>>>>>>> heaters (one oscillating) a Gerni device and a new broom handle.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Everything works except perhaps the Gerni.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Is this "finders keepers"?
>>>>
>>>>>> Not if it has been dumped there by a landlord who has evicted a
>>>>>> tenant.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Has the ejected tenant any further rights to his stuff?
>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, if it has been dumped there by the landlord who has
>>>>>> evicted them or has skipped with the rent owing, its still his.
>>
>>>>> It depends on where the items are.
>>
>>>> Nope.
>>
>>>>> Are they on private property or public land such as the verge,
>>>>> pavement or road?
>>
>>>> Irrelevant if the landlord has dumped it after having evicted
>>>> the tenant or the tenant has skipped after failing to pay the
>>>> rent or if somone has dumped what they no longer need.
>>
>>> There is a time period, possibly something like 30 days,after which
>>> they are regarded as uncollected goods.

>> Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant claim about where they are
>> located.

> If the goods are on private property,

What Pete took wasnt.

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 by: Max - Sun, 2 Oct 2022 04:47 UTC

On 2/10/2022 1:08 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>
>>>>>>>> I live in town.  Always there's items discarded on the footpath no
>>>>>>>> doubt from landlords clearing out the previous tenant's mess.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Much more often it is stuff discarded by those who don't have
>>>>>>> any way to get rid of it.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I loaded up some stuff last evening...a floor oscillating-fan,
>>>>>>>> two floor
>>>>>>>> heaters (one oscillating) a Gerni device and a new broom handle.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Everything works except perhaps the Gerni.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is this "finders keepers"?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Not if it has been dumped there by a landlord who has evicted a
>>>>>>> tenant.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Has the ejected tenant any further rights  to his stuff?
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yep, if it has been dumped there by the landlord who has
>>>>>>> evicted them or has skipped with the rent owing, its still his.
>>>
>>>>>> It depends on where the items are.
>>>
>>>>>  Nope.
>>>
>>>>>> Are they on private property or public land such as the verge,
>>>>>> pavement or road?
>>>
>>>>>  Irrelevant if the landlord has dumped it after having evicted
>>>>> the tenant or the tenant has skipped after failing to pay the
>>>>> rent or if somone has dumped what they no longer need.
>>>
>>>> There is a time period, possibly something like 30 days,after which
>>>> they are regarded as uncollected goods.
>
>>>  Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant claim about where they are
>>> located.
>
>> If the goods are on private property,
>
> What Pete took wasnt.

This is what Pete said:

> Always there's items discarded on the footpath no
> doubt from landlords clearing out the previous tenant's mes

The items were on the footpath. There they were on public property.

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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 2 Oct 2022 05:08 UTC

Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote

>>>>>>>>> I live in town. Always there's items discarded on the footpath
>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>> doubt from landlords clearing out the previous tenant's mess.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Much more often it is stuff discarded by those who don't have
>>>>>>>> any way to get rid of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I loaded up some stuff last evening...a floor oscillating-fan,
>>>>>>>>> two floor
>>>>>>>>> heaters (one oscillating) a Gerni device and a new broom handle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Everything works except perhaps the Gerni.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is this "finders keepers"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not if it has been dumped there by a landlord who has evicted a
>>>>>>>> tenant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Has the ejected tenant any further rights to his stuff?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yep, if it has been dumped there by the landlord who has
>>>>>>>> evicted them or has skipped with the rent owing, its still his.
>>>>
>>>>>>> It depends on where the items are.
>>>>
>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Are they on private property or public land such as the verge,
>>>>>>> pavement or road?
>>>>
>>>>>> Irrelevant if the landlord has dumped it after having evicted
>>>>>> the tenant or the tenant has skipped after failing to pay the
>>>>>> rent or if somone has dumped what they no longer need.
>>>>
>>>>> There is a time period, possibly something like 30 days,after which
>>>>> they are regarded as uncollected goods.
>>
>>>> Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant claim about where they are
>>>> located.
>>
>>> If the goods are on private property,

>> What Pete took wasnt.
>
> This is what Pete said:
>
>> Always there's items discarded on the footpath no
>> doubt from landlords clearing out the previous tenant's mes
>
> The items were on the footpath. There they were on public property.

So your mindless shit about where is was is clearly irrelevant.

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 by: Max - Sun, 2 Oct 2022 05:32 UTC

On 2/10/2022 4:08 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>
>>>>>>>>>> I live in town.  Always there's items discarded on the
>>>>>>>>>> footpath no
>>>>>>>>>> doubt from landlords clearing out the previous tenant's mess.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Much more often it is stuff discarded by those who don't have
>>>>>>>>> any way to get rid of it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I loaded up some stuff last evening...a floor oscillating-fan,
>>>>>>>>>> two floor
>>>>>>>>>> heaters (one oscillating) a Gerni device and a new broom handle.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Everything works except perhaps the Gerni.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is this "finders keepers"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Not if it has been dumped there by a landlord who has evicted
>>>>>>>>> a tenant.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Has the ejected tenant any further rights  to his stuff?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yep, if it has been dumped there by the landlord who has
>>>>>>>>> evicted them or has skipped with the rent owing, its still his.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It depends on where the items are.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Nope.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are they on private property or public land such as the verge,
>>>>>>>> pavement or road?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Irrelevant if the landlord has dumped it after having evicted
>>>>>>> the tenant or the tenant has skipped after failing to pay the
>>>>>>> rent or if somone has dumped what they no longer need.
>>>>>
>>>>>> There is a time period, possibly something like 30 days,after
>>>>>> which  they are regarded as uncollected goods.
>>>
>>>>>  Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant claim about where they are
>>>>> located.
>>>
>>>> If the goods are on private property,
>
>>>  What Pete took wasnt.
>>
>> This is what Pete said:
>>
>>> Always there's items discarded on the footpath no
>>> doubt from landlords clearing out the previous tenant's mes
>>
>> The items were on the footpath.  There they were on public property.
>
> So your mindless shit about where is was is clearly irrelevant.

I asked the question of where the items were:

> It depends on where the items are.
>
> Are they on private property or public land such as the verge, pavement or road?

You said that was irrelevant:

> Irrelevant if the landlord has dumped it after having evicted
> the tenant or the tenant has skipped after failing to pay the
> rent or if somone has dumped what they no longer need.

Which is wrong, because it does matter if they were dumped on private or
public property.

If it is private, then they are never 'uncollected' afte 30 days, where
as with public it is, fuckwit.

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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 2 Oct 2022 06:10 UTC

Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote

>>>>>>>>>>> I live in town. Always there's items discarded on the
>>>>>>>>>>> footpath no
>>>>>>>>>>> doubt from landlords clearing out the previous tenant's mess.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Much more often it is stuff discarded by those who don't have
>>>>>>>>>> any way to get rid of it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I loaded up some stuff last evening...a floor oscillating-fan,
>>>>>>>>>>> two floor
>>>>>>>>>>> heaters (one oscillating) a Gerni device and a new broom
>>>>>>>>>>> handle.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Everything works except perhaps the Gerni.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Is this "finders keepers"?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not if it has been dumped there by a landlord who has evicted
>>>>>>>>>> a tenant.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Has the ejected tenant any further rights to his stuff?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yep, if it has been dumped there by the landlord who has
>>>>>>>>>> evicted them or has skipped with the rent owing, its still his.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It depends on where the items are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are they on private property or public land such as the verge,
>>>>>>>>> pavement or road?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Irrelevant if the landlord has dumped it after having evicted
>>>>>>>> the tenant or the tenant has skipped after failing to pay the
>>>>>>>> rent or if somone has dumped what they no longer need.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is a time period, possibly something like 30 days,after
>>>>>>> which they are regarded as uncollected goods.
>>>>
>>>>>> Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant claim about where they are
>>>>>> located.
>>>>
>>>>> If the goods are on private property,
>>
>>>> What Pete took wasnt.
>>>
>>> This is what Pete said:
>>>
>>>> Always there's items discarded on the footpath no
>>>> doubt from landlords clearing out the previous tenant's mes
>>>
>>> The items were on the footpath. There they were on public property.

>> So your mindless shit about where is was is clearly irrelevant.

> I asked the question of where the items were:

And you were too fucking stupid to realise that he had already said that.

>> It depends on where the items are.
>> Are they on private property or public land such as the verge,
>> pavement or road?

> You said that was irrelevant:

Because your question was irrelevant given he had stated
right from the start where they were.

>> Irrelevant if the landlord has dumped it after having evicted
>> the tenant or the tenant has skipped after failing to pay the
>> rent or if somone has dumped what they no longer need.
>
> Which is wrong,

Nope.

> because it does matter if they were dumped on private or public
> property.

But we know that they were not.

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 by: Max - Mon, 3 Oct 2022 04:57 UTC

On 2/10/2022 5:10 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I live in town.  Always there's items discarded on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> footpath no
>>>>>>>>>>>> doubt from landlords clearing out the previous tenant's mess.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  Much more often it is stuff discarded by those who don't have
>>>>>>>>>>> any way to get rid of it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I loaded up some stuff last evening...a floor
>>>>>>>>>>>> oscillating-fan, two floor
>>>>>>>>>>>> heaters (one oscillating) a Gerni device and a new broom
>>>>>>>>>>>> handle.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything works except perhaps the Gerni.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Is this "finders keepers"?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  Not if it has been dumped there by a landlord who has
>>>>>>>>>>> evicted a tenant.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Has the ejected tenant any further rights  to his stuff?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, if it has been dumped there by the landlord who has
>>>>>>>>>>> evicted them or has skipped with the rent owing, its still his.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It depends on where the items are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Nope.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are they on private property or public land such as the verge,
>>>>>>>>>> pavement or road?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Irrelevant if the landlord has dumped it after having evicted
>>>>>>>>> the tenant or the tenant has skipped after failing to pay the
>>>>>>>>> rent or if somone has dumped what they no longer need.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is a time period, possibly something like 30 days,after
>>>>>>>> which  they are regarded as uncollected goods.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant claim about where they
>>>>>>> are located.
>>>>>
>>>>>> If the goods are on private property,
>>>
>>>>>  What Pete took wasnt.
>>>>
>>>> This is what Pete said:
>>>>
>>>>> Always there's items discarded on the footpath no
>>>>> doubt from landlords clearing out the previous tenant's mes
>>>>
>>>> The items were on the footpath.  There they were on public property.
>
>>>  So your mindless shit about where is was is clearly irrelevant.
>
>> I asked the question of where the items were:
>
> And you were too fucking stupid to realise that he had already said that.
>
>>> It depends on where the items are.
>>>  Are they on private property or public land such as the verge,
>>> pavement or road?
>
>> You said that was irrelevant:
>
> Because your question was irrelevant given he had stated
> right from the start where they were.
>

Even so, it was still acceptable for me to say what I said.

We were having a general discussion about the subject and my post was
relevant to that.

>>> Irrelevant if the landlord has dumped it after having evicted
>>> the tenant or the tenant has skipped after failing to pay the
>>> rent or if somone has dumped what they no longer need.
>>
>> Which is wrong,
>
> Nope.
>
>> because it does matter if they were dumped on private or  public
>> property.
>
> But we know that they were not.

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 by: Rod Speed - Mon, 3 Oct 2022 14:51 UTC

Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote

>>>>>>>>>>>>> I live in town. Always there's items discarded on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> footpath no
>>>>>>>>>>>>> doubt from landlords clearing out the previous tenant's mess.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Much more often it is stuff discarded by those who don't have
>>>>>>>>>>>> any way to get rid of it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I loaded up some stuff last evening...a floor
>>>>>>>>>>>>> oscillating-fan, two floor
>>>>>>>>>>>>> heaters (one oscillating) a Gerni device and a new broom
>>>>>>>>>>>>> handle.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything works except perhaps the Gerni.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is this "finders keepers"?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not if it has been dumped there by a landlord who has
>>>>>>>>>>>> evicted a tenant.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has the ejected tenant any further rights to his stuff?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, if it has been dumped there by the landlord who has
>>>>>>>>>>>> evicted them or has skipped with the rent owing, its still
>>>>>>>>>>>> his.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It depends on where the items are.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Are they on private property or public land such as the verge,
>>>>>>>>>>> pavement or road?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Irrelevant if the landlord has dumped it after having evicted
>>>>>>>>>> the tenant or the tenant has skipped after failing to pay the
>>>>>>>>>> rent or if somone has dumped what they no longer need.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is a time period, possibly something like 30 days,after
>>>>>>>>> which they are regarded as uncollected goods.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant claim about where they
>>>>>>>> are located.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If the goods are on private property,
>>>>
>>>>>> What Pete took wasnt.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is what Pete said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Always there's items discarded on the footpath no
>>>>>> doubt from landlords clearing out the previous tenant's mes
>>>>>
>>>>> The items were on the footpath. There they were on public property.
>>
>>>> So your mindless shit about where is was is clearly irrelevant.
>>
>>> I asked the question of where the items were:

>> And you were too fucking stupid to realise that he had already said
>> that.
>>
>>>> It depends on where the items are.
>>>> Are they on private property or public land such as the verge,
>>>> pavement or road?
>>
>>> You said that was irrelevant:

>> Because your question was irrelevant given he had stated
>> right from the start where they were.

> Even so, it was still acceptable for me to say what I said.

Nope, your shit was completely irrelevant, as always.

> We were having a general discussion about the subject

BULLSHIT.

> and my post was relevant to that.

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

>>>> Irrelevant if the landlord has dumped it after having evicted
>>>> the tenant or the tenant has skipped after failing to pay the
>>>> rent or if somone has dumped what they no longer need.
>>>
>>> Which is wrong,
>> Nope.
>>
>>> because it does matter if they were dumped on private or public
>>> property.
>> But we know that they were not.

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 by: Max - Tue, 4 Oct 2022 06:31 UTC

On 4/10/2022 1:51 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I live in town.  Always there's items discarded on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> footpath no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doubt from landlords clearing out the previous tenant's mess.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Much more often it is stuff discarded by those who don't have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> any way to get rid of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I loaded up some stuff last evening...a floor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oscillating-fan, two floor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heaters (one oscillating) a Gerni device and a new broom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> handle.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything works except perhaps the Gerni.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is this "finders keepers"?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Not if it has been dumped there by a landlord who has
>>>>>>>>>>>>> evicted a tenant.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has the ejected tenant any further rights  to his stuff?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, if it has been dumped there by the landlord who has
>>>>>>>>>>>>> evicted them or has skipped with the rent owing, its still
>>>>>>>>>>>>> his.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It depends on where the items are.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  Nope.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are they on private property or public land such as the
>>>>>>>>>>>> verge, pavement or road?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  Irrelevant if the landlord has dumped it after having evicted
>>>>>>>>>>> the tenant or the tenant has skipped after failing to pay the
>>>>>>>>>>> rent or if somone has dumped what they no longer need.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There is a time period, possibly something like 30 days,after
>>>>>>>>>> which  they are regarded as uncollected goods.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant claim about where they
>>>>>>>>> are located.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If the goods are on private property,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>  What Pete took wasnt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is what Pete said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Always there's items discarded on the footpath no
>>>>>>> doubt from landlords clearing out the previous tenant's mes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The items were on the footpath.  There they were on public property.
>>>
>>>>>  So your mindless shit about where is was is clearly irrelevant.
>>>
>>>> I asked the question of where the items were:
>
>>>  And you were too fucking stupid to realise that he had already said
>>> that.
>>>
>>>>> It depends on where the items are.
>>>>>  Are they on private property or public land such as the verge,
>>>>> pavement or road?
>>>
>>>> You said that was irrelevant:
>
>>>  Because your question was irrelevant given he had stated
>>> right from the start where they were.
>
>> Even so, it was still acceptable for me to say what I said.
>
> Nope, your shit was completely irrelevant, as always.
>

You don't get to decide what is relevant to the discussion, fuckwit. You
never do.

>> We were having a general discussion about the subject
>
> BULLSHIT.
>

See above.

>> and my post was  relevant to that.
>
> You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
>
>>>>> Irrelevant if the landlord has dumped it after having evicted
>>>>> the tenant or the tenant has skipped after failing to pay the
>>>>> rent or if somone has dumped what they no longer need.
>>>>
>>>> Which is wrong,
>>>  Nope.
>>>
>>>> because it does matter if they were dumped on private or  public
>>>> property.
>>>  But we know that they were not.

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 by: Rod Speed - Tue, 4 Oct 2022 06:37 UTC

Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I live in town. Always there's items discarded on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> footpath no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doubt from landlords clearing out the previous tenant's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mess.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Much more often it is stuff discarded by those who don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any way to get rid of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I loaded up some stuff last evening...a floor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oscillating-fan, two floor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heaters (one oscillating) a Gerni device and a new broom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> handle.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything works except perhaps the Gerni.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is this "finders keepers"?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not if it has been dumped there by a landlord who has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evicted a tenant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has the ejected tenant any further rights to his stuff?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, if it has been dumped there by the landlord who has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evicted them or has skipped with the rent owing, its still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It depends on where the items are.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are they on private property or public land such as the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> verge, pavement or road?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Irrelevant if the landlord has dumped it after having evicted
>>>>>>>>>>>> the tenant or the tenant has skipped after failing to pay the
>>>>>>>>>>>> rent or if somone has dumped what they no longer need.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There is a time period, possibly something like 30 days,after
>>>>>>>>>>> which they are regarded as uncollected goods.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant claim about where they
>>>>>>>>>> are located.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If the goods are on private property,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What Pete took wasnt.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is what Pete said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Always there's items discarded on the footpath no
>>>>>>>> doubt from landlords clearing out the previous tenant's mes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The items were on the footpath. There they were on public
>>>>>>> property.
>>>>
>>>>>> So your mindless shit about where is was is clearly irrelevant.
>>>>
>>>>> I asked the question of where the items were:
>>
>>>> And you were too fucking stupid to realise that he had already said
>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>>>> It depends on where the items are.
>>>>>> Are they on private property or public land such as the verge,
>>>>>> pavement or road?
>>>>
>>>>> You said that was irrelevant:
>>
>>>> Because your question was irrelevant given he had stated
>>>> right from the start where they were.
>>
>>> Even so, it was still acceptable for me to say what I said.
>> Nope, your shit was completely irrelevant, as always.

> You don't get to decide what is relevant to the discussion

Wrong, as always.

>>> We were having a general discussion about the subject
>> BULLSHIT.

> See above.

See above.

>>> and my post was relevant to that.
>> You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
>>
>>>>>> Irrelevant if the landlord has dumped it after having evicted
>>>>>> the tenant or the tenant has skipped after failing to pay the
>>>>>> rent or if somone has dumped what they no longer need.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which is wrong,
>>>> Nope.
>>>>
>>>>> because it does matter if they were dumped on private or public
>>>>> property.
>>>> But we know that they were not.


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