Gentlemen,

I got this Makita SDS+ drill a while ago and it does what it claims to
do, but is somewhat limited in that it can only accept SDS bits. It
would be really useful if it could be adapted to accept normal HSS
twist drills as well (not permanently adapted by just when required).
Anyone know a viable way of doing this?

CD

On 13/11/2022 18:00, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> Gentlemen,
>
> I got this Makita SDS+ drill a while ago and it does what it claims to
> do, but is somewhat limited in that it can only accept SDS bits. It
> would be really useful if it could be adapted to accept normal HSS
> twist drills as well (not permanently adapted by just when required).
> Anyone know a viable way of doing this?
>
> CD

https://www.screwfix.com/p/erbauer-cha54701-1-2-keyed-chuck-sds-plus-adaptor/

On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 18:10:10 +0000, Richard
<smithski@btinternet.com.invalid> wrote:

>On 13/11/2022 18:00, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> Gentlemen,
>>
>> I got this Makita SDS+ drill a while ago and it does what it claims to
>> do, but is somewhat limited in that it can only accept SDS bits. It
>> would be really useful if it could be adapted to accept normal HSS
>> twist drills as well (not permanently adapted by just when required).
>> Anyone know a viable way of doing this?
>>
>> CD
>
>https://www.screwfix.com/p/erbauer-cha54701-1-2-keyed-chuck-sds-plus-adaptor/

The site is down right now and has been for quite some time, it seems.
:(

On 13/11/2022 18:18, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 18:10:10 +0000, Richard
> <smithski@btinternet.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 13/11/2022 18:00, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>> Gentlemen,
>>>
>>> I got this Makita SDS+ drill a while ago and it does what it claims to
>>> do, but is somewhat limited in that it can only accept SDS bits. It
>>> would be really useful if it could be adapted to accept normal HSS
>>> twist drills as well (not permanently adapted by just when required).
>>> Anyone know a viable way of doing this?
>>>
>>> CD
>>
>> https://www.screwfix.com/p/erbauer-cha54701-1-2-keyed-chuck-sds-plus-adaptor/
>
> The site is down right now and has been for quite some time, it seems.
> :(

https://www.amazon.co.uk/SDS-Adapter/s?k=SDS+Adapter

You cannot use these chucks in hammer mode!
In my experience the chuck works but tends to make the drill a bit
cumbersome. Best suited to larger "normal" drill bits.

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On Sunday, 13 November 2022 at 18:34:37 UTC, alan_m wrote:
> On 13/11/2022 18:18, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> > On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 18:10:10 +0000, Richard
> > <smit...@btinternet.com.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> On 13/11/2022 18:00, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> >>> Gentlemen,
> >>>
> >>> I got this Makita SDS+ drill a while ago and it does what it claims to
> >>> do, but is somewhat limited in that it can only accept SDS bits. It
> >>> would be really useful if it could be adapted to accept normal HSS
> >>> twist drills as well (not permanently adapted by just when required).
> >>> Anyone know a viable way of doing this?
> >>>
> >>> CD
> >>
> >> https://www.screwfix.com/p/erbauer-cha54701-1-2-keyed-chuck-sds-plus-adaptor/
> >
> > The site is down right now and has been for quite some time, it seems.
> > :(
> https://www.amazon.co.uk/SDS-Adapter/s?k=SDS+Adapter
>
> You cannot use these chucks in hammer mode!
> In my experience the chuck works but tends to make the drill a bit
> cumbersome. Best suited to larger "normal" drill bits.
I have one of these (keyless chuck for SDS+) but I hardly ever use it.
Much better results come from using a separate non-impact drill when
precision is required. I have a very nice Skill drill with two-speed
gearbox and variable speed trigger which provides a decent amount
of torque at 60rpm. It is 50 years old!

John

On 13/11/2022 18:18, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 18:10:10 +0000, Richard
> <smithski@btinternet.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 13/11/2022 18:00, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>> Gentlemen,
>>>
>>> I got this Makita SDS+ drill a while ago and it does what it claims to
>>> do, but is somewhat limited in that it can only accept SDS bits. It
>>> would be really useful if it could be adapted to accept normal HSS
>>> twist drills as well (not permanently adapted by just when required).
>>> Anyone know a viable way of doing this?
>>>
>>> CD
>>
>> https://www.screwfix.com/p/erbauer-cha54701-1-2-keyed-chuck-sds-plus-adaptor/
>
> The site is down right now and has been for quite some time, it seems.
> :(
>

Apologies.
Correct url:
https://www.screwfix.com/p/erbauer-cha54701-1-2-keyed-chuck-sds-plus-adaptor/1447h

On 13/11/2022 18:00, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> Gentlemen,
>
> I got this Makita SDS+ drill a while ago and it does what it claims to
> do, but is somewhat limited in that it can only accept SDS bits. It
> would be really useful if it could be adapted to accept normal HSS
> twist drills as well (not permanently adapted by just when required).
> Anyone know a viable way of doing this?

With my Metabo, the SDS chuck twists off, and a conventional chuck can
be swapped in instead. The conventional chuck doesn't link with the
hammer mode. I don't know if the Makita SDS chuck is removable/swappable.

--
Andrew

On Sunday, 13 November 2022 at 18:00:53 UTC, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> Gentlemen,
>
> I got this Makita SDS+ drill a while ago and it does what it claims to
> do, but is somewhat limited in that it can only accept SDS bits. It
> would be really useful if it could be adapted to accept normal HSS
> twist drills as well (not permanently adapted by just when required).
> Anyone know a viable way of doing this?
>
> CD

Just beware with the adaptor chucks that less than 1 second in hammer mode is all it takes to destroy them.

On 14/11/2022 00:36, Animal wrote:
> On Sunday, 13 November 2022 at 18:00:53 UTC, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> Gentlemen,
>>
>> I got this Makita SDS+ drill a while ago and it does what it claims to
>> do, but is somewhat limited in that it can only accept SDS bits. It
>> would be really useful if it could be adapted to accept normal HSS
>> twist drills as well (not permanently adapted by just when required).
>> Anyone know a viable way of doing this?
>>
>> CD
>
> Just beware with the adaptor chucks that less than 1 second in hammer mode is all it takes to destroy them.

I agree with you.... But there are standard drills around with a
standard chuck that have a hammer mode on the drill itself.....

So it would be easy for someone who had an ordinary drill with hammer
mode and an SDS drill to "assume" that a drill chuck adapter should also
be able to support hammer mode when used with a SDS drill.

In article <tksuk8$4og$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
SH <i.love.spam@spam.com> wrote:
> On 14/11/2022 00:36, Animal wrote:
> > On Sunday, 13 November 2022 at 18:00:53 UTC, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> >> Gentlemen,
> >>
> >> I got this Makita SDS+ drill a while ago and it does what it claims to
> >> do, but is somewhat limited in that it can only accept SDS bits. It
> >> would be really useful if it could be adapted to accept normal HSS
> >> twist drills as well (not permanently adapted by just when required).
> >> Anyone know a viable way of doing this?
> >>
> >> CD
> >
> > Just beware with the adaptor chucks that less than 1 second in hammer mode is all it takes to destroy them.

> I agree with you.... But there are standard drills around with a
> standard chuck that have a hammer mode on the drill itself.....

> So it would be easy for someone who had an ordinary drill with hammer
> mode and an SDS drill to "assume" that a drill chuck adapter should also
> be able to support hammer mode when used with a SDS drill.

I bought a standard chuck which fits into my SDS chuck. Saves carting an
exctra drill around.

--
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"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On 13/11/2022 18:18, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 18:10:10 +0000, Richard
> <smithski@btinternet.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 13/11/2022 18:00, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>> Gentlemen,
>>>
>>> I got this Makita SDS+ drill a while ago and it does what it claims to
>>> do, but is somewhat limited in that it can only accept SDS bits. It
>>> would be really useful if it could be adapted to accept normal HSS
>>> twist drills as well (not permanently adapted by just when required).
>>> Anyone know a viable way of doing this?
>>>
>>> CD
>>
>> https://www.screwfix.com/p/erbauer-cha54701-1-2-keyed-chuck-sds-plus-adaptor/
>
> The site is down right now and has been for quite some time, it seems.
> :(
>

No, it's just that there's a bit missing from the link which hasn't
wrapped Try this one instead:
https://www.screwfix.com/p/erbauer-cha54701-1-2-keyed-chuck-sds-plus-adaptor/1447h
--
Cheers,
Roger

On 13/11/2022 22:32, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
> On 13/11/2022 18:00, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> Gentlemen,
>>
>> I got this Makita SDS+ drill a while ago and it does what it claims to
>> do, but is somewhat limited in that it can only accept SDS bits. It
>> would be really useful if it could be adapted to accept normal HSS
>> twist drills as well (not permanently adapted by just when required).
>> Anyone know a viable way of doing this?
>
> With my Metabo, the SDS chuck twists off, and a conventional chuck can
> be swapped in instead. The conventional chuck doesn't link with the
> hammer mode. I don't know if the Makita SDS chuck is removable/swappable.
>
FWIW my 18V Mak DHR243Z SDS has two chucks - one SDS and one
conventional, they're fairly easy to swap.

Before my old DW SDS drill died I occasionally used a standard chuck
mounted on an SDS shaft, but it made the thing very cumbersome.

In article <jtcrlpFd9bpU1@mid.individual.net>,
alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> You cannot use these chucks in hammer mode!
> In my experience the chuck works but tends to make the drill a bit
> cumbersome. Best suited to larger "normal" drill bits.

I thought it would be useful when I bought my first SDS some 30 years ago.
But a wobbly chuck sticking a long way out from the drill near useless.

--
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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

nothanks@aolbin.com wrote:

> FWIW my 18V Mak DHR243Z SDS has two chucks - one SDS and one conventional

As does my mains HR2470, though it makes for quite a long beast as a
conventional drill, I've only one needed the extra "oomph" to drill desk-grommet
holes in 40mm thick oak.

Roger Mills wrote:

> there's a bit missing from the link which hasn't wrapped Try
> this one instead:
> https://www.screwfix.com/p/erbauer-cha54701-1-2-keyed-chuck-sds-plus-adaptor/1447h

As with any screwfix URL with "slash p slash" in it, the descriptive crap in the
middle is not required and can be removed or shortened, e.g.

<https://screwfix.com/p/crap/1447h>

On 13/11/2022 18:00, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> Gentlemen,
>
> I got this Makita SDS+ drill a while ago and it does what it claims to
> do, but is somewhat limited in that it can only accept SDS bits. It
> would be really useful if it could be adapted to accept normal HSS
> twist drills as well (not permanently adapted by just when required).
> Anyone know a viable way of doing this?

Depends on which model of drill it is. Some accept an interchangeable
traditional chuck. For all the others you can get an add on chuck with a
SDS mount on the back of it. (makes for a long and wobbly setup though)

--
Cheers,

John.

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On Monday, 14 November 2022 at 08:35:24 UTC, SH wrote:
> On 14/11/2022 00:36, Animal wrote:
> > On Sunday, 13 November 2022 at 18:00:53 UTC, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> >> Gentlemen,
> >>
> >> I got this Makita SDS+ drill a while ago and it does what it claims to
> >> do, but is somewhat limited in that it can only accept SDS bits. It
> >> would be really useful if it could be adapted to accept normal HSS
> >> twist drills as well (not permanently adapted by just when required).
> >> Anyone know a viable way of doing this?
> >>
> >> CD
> >
> > Just beware with the adaptor chucks that less than 1 second in hammer mode is all it takes to destroy them.
> I agree with you.... But there are standard drills around with a
> standard chuck that have a hammer mode on the drill itself.....
>
> So it would be easy for someone who had an ordinary drill with hammer
> mode and an SDS drill to "assume" that a drill chuck adapter should also
> be able to support hammer mode when used with a SDS drill.

In case anyone doesn't know, hammer mode & SDS hammer mode are different animals

On 14/11/2022 08:35, SH wrote:
> On 14/11/2022 00:36, Animal wrote:
>> On Sunday, 13 November 2022 at 18:00:53 UTC, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>> Gentlemen,
>>>
>>> I got this Makita SDS+ drill a while ago and it does what it claims to
>>> do, but is somewhat limited in that it can only accept SDS bits. It
>>> would be really useful if it could be adapted to accept normal HSS
>>> twist drills as well (not permanently adapted by just when required).
>>> Anyone know a viable way of doing this?
>>>
>>> CD
>>
>> Just beware with the adaptor chucks that less than 1 second in hammer
>> mode is all it takes to destroy them.
>
> I agree with you.... But there are standard drills around with a
> standard chuck that have a hammer mode on the drill itself.....

With quite a significant difference in the impact energy per blow!

> So it would be easy for someone who had an ordinary drill with hammer
> mode and an SDS drill to "assume" that a drill chuck adapter should also
> be able to support hammer mode when used with a SDS drill.

Many add on chucks don't have the elongated flues in the shaft required
to enable them to interact with the hammer in the drill.

--
Cheers,

John.

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On 14/11/2022 16:29, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <jtcrlpFd9bpU1@mid.individual.net>,
> alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> You cannot use these chucks in hammer mode!
>> In my experience the chuck works but tends to make the drill a bit
>> cumbersome. Best suited to larger "normal" drill bits.
>
>
> I thought it would be useful when I bought my first SDS some 30 years ago.
> But a wobbly chuck sticking a long way out from the drill near useless.
>

+1

Useless for precision especially with small drill bits. My purchase of
such a chuck was because of the same though process as yours. The number
of times I've use the chuck has been minimal in all the time I've had it.

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On 15/11/2022 00:17, John Rumm wrote:

> Many add on chucks don't have the elongated flues in the shaft required
> to enable them to interact with the hammer in the drill.
>

These chuck adapters have the standard SDS flutes or they wouldn't fit
into the sds mecanism. The problem is that when used in the SDS drill in
hammer mode the SDS is not hammimg the drill bit but is hammering the
adapter chuck instead. Seeing how a SDS can hammer through concrete with
ease a chuck built down to low price doesn't stand a change

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On 13/11/2022 18:18, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 18:10:10 +0000, Richard
> <smithski@btinternet.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 13/11/2022 18:00, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>> Gentlemen,
>>>
>>> I got this Makita SDS+ drill a while ago and it does what it claims to
>>> do, but is somewhat limited in that it can only accept SDS bits. It
>>> would be really useful if it could be adapted to accept normal HSS
>>> twist drills as well (not permanently adapted by just when required).
>>> Anyone know a viable way of doing this?
>>>
>>> CD
>>
>> https://www.screwfix.com/p/erbauer-cha54701-1-2-keyed-chuck-sds-plus-adaptor/
>
> The site is down right now and has been for quite some time, it seems.
> :(
>
Are you with Plusnet? There's a known problem with Plusnet's DNS and
their supplied router accessing Screwfix at the moment.

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On 14/11/2022 22:59, Animal wrote:
> On Monday, 14 November 2022 at 08:35:24 UTC, SH wrote:
>> On 14/11/2022 00:36, Animal wrote:
>>> On Sunday, 13 November 2022 at 18:00:53 UTC, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>> Gentlemen,
>>>>
>>>> I got this Makita SDS+ drill a while ago and it does what it claims to
>>>> do, but is somewhat limited in that it can only accept SDS bits. It
>>>> would be really useful if it could be adapted to accept normal HSS
>>>> twist drills as well (not permanently adapted by just when required).
>>>> Anyone know a viable way of doing this?
>>>>
>>>> CD
>>>
>>> Just beware with the adaptor chucks that less than 1 second in hammer mode is all it takes to destroy them.
>> I agree with you.... But there are standard drills around with a
>> standard chuck that have a hammer mode on the drill itself.....
>>
>> So it would be easy for someone who had an ordinary drill with hammer
>> mode and an SDS drill to "assume" that a drill chuck adapter should also
>> be able to support hammer mode when used with a SDS drill.
>
> In case anyone doesn't know, hammer mode & SDS hammer mode are different animals

Both the same, but the former is only possible if your
SDS drill has rotation stop. Not all do (did).

On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 13:37:04 +0000, Reentrant
<reentrant@invalid.org.uk> wrote:

>On 13/11/2022 18:18, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 18:10:10 +0000, Richard
>> <smithski@btinternet.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 13/11/2022 18:00, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>> Gentlemen,
>>>>
>>>> I got this Makita SDS+ drill a while ago and it does what it claims to
>>>> do, but is somewhat limited in that it can only accept SDS bits. It
>>>> would be really useful if it could be adapted to accept normal HSS
>>>> twist drills as well (not permanently adapted by just when required).
>>>> Anyone know a viable way of doing this?
>>>>
>>>> CD
>>>
>>> https://www.screwfix.com/p/erbauer-cha54701-1-2-keyed-chuck-sds-plus-adaptor/
>>
>> The site is down right now and has been for quite some time, it seems.
>> :(
>>
>Are you with Plusnet? There's a known problem with Plusnet's DNS and
>their supplied router accessing Screwfix at the moment.

Well I still can't get the page to load so that could certainly
explain it, yes.

On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 17:22:26 +0000, John Rumm
<see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:

>On 13/11/2022 18:00, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> Gentlemen,
>>
>> I got this Makita SDS+ drill a while ago and it does what it claims to
>> do, but is somewhat limited in that it can only accept SDS bits. It
>> would be really useful if it could be adapted to accept normal HSS
>> twist drills as well (not permanently adapted by just when required).
>> Anyone know a viable way of doing this?
>
>Depends on which model of drill it is. Some accept an interchangeable
>traditional chuck. For all the others you can get an add on chuck with a
>SDS mount on the back of it. (makes for a long and wobbly setup though)

Yes, I'm not happy that one of those add-on ones would work for my
purposes to be honest. However, swapping over chucks as others have
suggested are a much better solution and happily, the model I have is
able to do this.
Thanks, all.

On 15/11/2022 17:58, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 13:37:04 +0000, Reentrant
> <reentrant@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 13/11/2022 18:18, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>> On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 18:10:10 +0000, Richard
>>> <smithski@btinternet.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 13/11/2022 18:00, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>>> Gentlemen,
>>>>>
>>>>> I got this Makita SDS+ drill a while ago and it does what it claims to
>>>>> do, but is somewhat limited in that it can only accept SDS bits. It
>>>>> would be really useful if it could be adapted to accept normal HSS
>>>>> twist drills as well (not permanently adapted by just when required).
>>>>> Anyone know a viable way of doing this?
>>>>>
>>>>> CD
>>>>
>>>> https://www.screwfix.com/p/erbauer-cha54701-1-2-keyed-chuck-sds-plus-adaptor/
>>>
>>> The site is down right now and has been for quite some time, it seems.
>>> :(
>>>
>> Are you with Plusnet? There's a known problem with Plusnet's DNS and
>> their supplied router accessing Screwfix at the moment.
>
> Well I still can't get the page to load so that could certainly
> explain it, yes.

Details here if you're interested:

<https://community.plus.net/t5/My-Router/Unable-to-connect-to-screwfix-com-dns-issue/m-p/1894606>
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