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* HOME FILE STORAGEfastrack1966
+* Re: HOME FILE STORAGETheo
|`* Re: HOME FILE STORAGEChris Ridd
| `* Re: HOME FILE STORAGERobH
|  `* Re: HOME FILE STORAGEfastrack1966
|   +* Re: HOME FILE STORAGEPancho
|   |`* Re: HOME FILE STORAGEfastrack1966
|   | `- Re: HOME FILE STORAGEGordon
|   `* Re: HOME FILE STORAGETheo
|    `- Re: HOME FILE STORAGEfastrack1966
+* Re: HOME FILE STORAGEAdrian Caspersz
|`* Re: HOME FILE STORAGEfastrack1966
| `* Re: HOME FILE STORAGEAdrian Caspersz
|  `* Re: HOME FILE STORAGEJaimie Vandenbergh
|   `* Re: HOME FILE STORAGERJH
|    `- Re: HOME FILE STORAGEJohnny B Good
`* Re: HOME FILE STORAGERaj Kundra
 +- Re: HOME FILE STORAGEAdrian Caspersz
 `* Re: HOME FILE STORAGEfastrack1966
  `* Re: HOME FILE STORAGETheo
   `* Re: HOME FILE STORAGEPancho
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 by: fastrack1966 - Thu, 15 Apr 2021 14:27 UTC

Does anyone know of a cheap "Windows Way" of file storage? I need a NAS setup but without buying a Windows license, no Linux (can't deal with it!), and live file access. Hence a box with twin hard drives - I've built all the hardware and have a brainwave:
Microsoft are unlikely to be checking licensing of an old Win XP computer. If this computer is on my home LAN but not on the internet will it be protected? This is assuming all other devices are protected of course, which they are. Will this computer be vulnerable if all the other devices are updated securely?

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 by: Theo - Thu, 15 Apr 2021 15:09 UTC

fastrack1966 <googlenospam@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> Does anyone know of a cheap "Windows Way" of file storage? I need a NAS
> setup but without buying a Windows license, no Linux (can't deal with
> it!), and live file access. Hence a box with twin hard drives - I've
> built all the hardware and have a brainwave:

There are lots of 'appliance' Linux and FreeBSD distros. You install them
from the CD/USB/etc. You get a clicky GUI or (more likely) a web interface.
They file share to Windows. You never need to know what they run under the
hood.

https://www.fosslinux.com/43258/best-linux-nas-solutions.htm
and many other lists like that.

Many will let you run VMs which means you can install Windows inside a VM and
give it access to the files like any other machine.

Theo

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 by: Chris Ridd - Thu, 15 Apr 2021 16:19 UTC

On 15/04/2021 16:09, Theo wrote:
> fastrack1966 <googlenospam@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> Does anyone know of a cheap "Windows Way" of file storage? I need a NAS
>> setup but without buying a Windows license, no Linux (can't deal with
>> it!), and live file access. Hence a box with twin hard drives - I've
>> built all the hardware and have a brainwave:
>
> There are lots of 'appliance' Linux and FreeBSD distros. You install them
> from the CD/USB/etc. You get a clicky GUI or (more likely) a web interface.
> They file share to Windows. You never need to know what they run under the
> hood.
>
> https://www.fosslinux.com/43258/best-linux-nas-solutions.htm

As you point out you never have to know what's under the hood.

Which advice the author of that hilariously badly informed article has
taken to heart! The top "Linux" NAS runs FreeBSD, the next runs
NexentaOS (based on illumos), there's FreeNAS further down which is also
definitely not Linux...

--
Chris

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 by: RobH - Thu, 15 Apr 2021 16:24 UTC

On 15/04/2021 17:19, Chris Ridd wrote:
> On 15/04/2021 16:09, Theo wrote:
>> fastrack1966 <googlenospam@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Does anyone know of a cheap "Windows Way" of file storage? I need a NAS
>>> setup but without buying a Windows license, no Linux (can't deal with
>>> it!), and live file access.  Hence a box with twin hard drives - I've
>>> built all the hardware and have a brainwave:
>>
>> There are lots of 'appliance' Linux and FreeBSD distros.  You install
>> them
>> from the CD/USB/etc.  You get a clicky GUI or (more likely) a web
>> interface.
>> They file share to Windows.  You never need to know what they run
>> under the
>> hood.
>>
>> https://www.fosslinux.com/43258/best-linux-nas-solutions.htm
>
> As you point out you never have to know what's under the hood.
>
> Which advice the author of that hilariously badly informed article has
> taken to heart! The top "Linux" NAS runs FreeBSD, the next runs
> NexentaOS (based on illumos), there's FreeNAS further down which is also
> definitely not Linux...
>

I have been using FreeNAS or TrueNAS as it is now known? for that last 6
years. It is being used as a file server and for data storage. It is
easily accessable from all my other devices.

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 by: fastrack1966 - Thu, 15 Apr 2021 18:59 UTC

On Thursday, 15 April 2021 at 17:24:35 UTC+1, RobH wrote:
> On 15/04/2021 17:19, Chris Ridd wrote:
> > On 15/04/2021 16:09, Theo wrote:
> >> fastrack1966 <google...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >>> Does anyone know of a cheap "Windows Way" of file storage? I need a NAS
> >>> setup but without buying a Windows license, no Linux (can't deal with
> >>> it!), and live file access. Hence a box with twin hard drives - I've
> >>> built all the hardware and have a brainwave:
> >>
> >> There are lots of 'appliance' Linux and FreeBSD distros. You install
> >> them
> >> from the CD/USB/etc. You get a clicky GUI or (more likely) a web
> >> interface.
> >> They file share to Windows. You never need to know what they run
> >> under the
> >> hood.
> >>
> >> https://www.fosslinux.com/43258/best-linux-nas-solutions.htm
> >
> > As you point out you never have to know what's under the hood.
> >
> > Which advice the author of that hilariously badly informed article has
> > taken to heart! The top "Linux" NAS runs FreeBSD, the next runs
> > NexentaOS (based on illumos), there's FreeNAS further down which is also
> > definitely not Linux...
> >
> I have been using FreeNAS or TrueNAS as it is now known? for that last 6
> years. It is being used as a file server and for data storage. It is
> easily accessable from all my other devices.
I tried Truenas, Rockstor, then OMV. All three I got working after a fashion but my biggest bugbear was Shares. With all of them I found sharing/SMB a nightmare, and I have been in Windows I.T. support for 30 years! Sometimes it would take all night for a share to appear on a Windows computer, I simply abandoned all three. I may try again in the future if I have the courage. I may try an XP based twin-data-drives plus OS drive and see what blows up :-(

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 by: Adrian Caspersz - Thu, 15 Apr 2021 19:46 UTC

On 15/04/2021 15:27, fastrack1966 wrote:
> Does anyone know of a cheap "Windows Way" of file storage? I need a NAS setup but without buying a Windows license, no Linux (can't deal with it!), and live file access. Hence a box with twin hard drives - I've built all the hardware and have a brainwave:
> Microsoft are unlikely to be checking licensing of an old Win XP computer. If this computer is on my home LAN but not on the internet will it be protected? This is assuming all other devices are protected of course, which they are. Will this computer be vulnerable if all the other devices are updated securely?

It won't be actively protected, but if it's denied a gateway to the
internet _and_ you don't have unknown trojan processes running amok on
other machines, you could well get away with it ...

.... until the electricity bill lands on the doormat.

--
Adrian C

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 by: Pancho - Thu, 15 Apr 2021 20:26 UTC

On 15/04/2021 19:59, fastrack1966 wrote:
> On Thursday, 15 April 2021 at 17:24:35 UTC+1, RobH wrote:
>> On 15/04/2021 17:19, Chris Ridd wrote:
>>> On 15/04/2021 16:09, Theo wrote:
>>>> fastrack1966 <google...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> Does anyone know of a cheap "Windows Way" of file storage? I need a NAS
>>>>> setup but without buying a Windows license, no Linux (can't deal with
>>>>> it!), and live file access. Hence a box with twin hard drives - I've
>>>>> built all the hardware and have a brainwave:
>>>>
>>>> There are lots of 'appliance' Linux and FreeBSD distros. You install
>>>> them
>>>> from the CD/USB/etc. You get a clicky GUI or (more likely) a web
>>>> interface.
>>>> They file share to Windows. You never need to know what they run
>>>> under the
>>>> hood.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.fosslinux.com/43258/best-linux-nas-solutions.htm
>>>
>>> As you point out you never have to know what's under the hood.
>>>
>>> Which advice the author of that hilariously badly informed article has
>>> taken to heart! The top "Linux" NAS runs FreeBSD, the next runs
>>> NexentaOS (based on illumos), there's FreeNAS further down which is also
>>> definitely not Linux...
>>>
>> I have been using FreeNAS or TrueNAS as it is now known? for that last 6
>> years. It is being used as a file server and for data storage. It is
>> easily accessable from all my other devices.
> I tried Truenas, Rockstor, then OMV. All three I got working after a fashion but my biggest bugbear was Shares. With all of them I found sharing/SMB a nightmare, and I have been in Windows I.T. support for 30 years! Sometimes it would take all night for a share to appear on a Windows computer, I simply abandoned all three. I may try again in the future if I have the courage. I may try an XP based twin-data-drives plus OS drive and see what blows up :-(
>

I'm a windows programmer, but I use Linux for serving files. However
rather than use a NAS distribution I use Samba with a bog standard Linux
distro, something like Ubuntu. (I actually use raspberry pi os, but it
is very similar)

There are only a few config files to edit and it is easy to find
examples. I use nothing apart from "net use" to mount the shares
permanently on windows 10.

It lacks sophistication, but is very stable and was relatively easy to
achieve, there are good how to descriptions on the web. The only
unexpected thing I learnt was that it was better to format the disks
using ext4 rather than ntfs, better write performance.

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 by: fastrack1966 - Thu, 15 Apr 2021 20:51 UTC

On Thursday, 15 April 2021 at 20:46:20 UTC+1, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
> On 15/04/2021 15:27, fastrack1966 wrote:
> > Does anyone know of a cheap "Windows Way" of file storage? I need a NAS setup but without buying a Windows license, no Linux (can't deal with it!), and live file access. Hence a box with twin hard drives - I've built all the hardware and have a brainwave:
> > Microsoft are unlikely to be checking licensing of an old Win XP computer. If this computer is on my home LAN but not on the internet will it be protected? This is assuming all other devices are protected of course, which they are. Will this computer be vulnerable if all the other devices are updated securely?
> It won't be actively protected, but if it's denied a gateway to the
> internet _and_ you don't have unknown trojan processes running amok on
> other machines, you could well get away with it ...
>
> ... until the electricity bill lands on the doormat.
>
> --
> Adrian C
You mean someone will hack into my electric account!!!! We are still on the old school clockwork meters here...........

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 by: fastrack1966 - Thu, 15 Apr 2021 20:54 UTC

On Thursday, 15 April 2021 at 21:26:55 UTC+1, Pancho wrote:
> On 15/04/2021 19:59, fastrack1966 wrote:
> > On Thursday, 15 April 2021 at 17:24:35 UTC+1, RobH wrote:
> >> On 15/04/2021 17:19, Chris Ridd wrote:
> >>> On 15/04/2021 16:09, Theo wrote:
> >>>> fastrack1966 <google...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>>> Does anyone know of a cheap "Windows Way" of file storage? I need a NAS
> >>>>> setup but without buying a Windows license, no Linux (can't deal with
> >>>>> it!), and live file access. Hence a box with twin hard drives - I've
> >>>>> built all the hardware and have a brainwave:
> >>>>
> >>>> There are lots of 'appliance' Linux and FreeBSD distros. You install
> >>>> them
> >>>> from the CD/USB/etc. You get a clicky GUI or (more likely) a web
> >>>> interface.
> >>>> They file share to Windows. You never need to know what they run
> >>>> under the
> >>>> hood.
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.fosslinux.com/43258/best-linux-nas-solutions.htm
> >>>
> >>> As you point out you never have to know what's under the hood.
> >>>
> >>> Which advice the author of that hilariously badly informed article has
> >>> taken to heart! The top "Linux" NAS runs FreeBSD, the next runs
> >>> NexentaOS (based on illumos), there's FreeNAS further down which is also
> >>> definitely not Linux...
> >>>
> >> I have been using FreeNAS or TrueNAS as it is now known? for that last 6
> >> years. It is being used as a file server and for data storage. It is
> >> easily accessable from all my other devices.
> > I tried Truenas, Rockstor, then OMV. All three I got working after a fashion but my biggest bugbear was Shares. With all of them I found sharing/SMB a nightmare, and I have been in Windows I.T. support for 30 years! Sometimes it would take all night for a share to appear on a Windows computer, I simply abandoned all three. I may try again in the future if I have the courage. I may try an XP based twin-data-drives plus OS drive and see what blows up :-(
> >
> I'm a windows programmer, but I use Linux for serving files. However
> rather than use a NAS distribution I use Samba with a bog standard Linux
> distro, something like Ubuntu. (I actually use raspberry pi os, but it
> is very similar)
>
> There are only a few config files to edit and it is easy to find
> examples. I use nothing apart from "net use" to mount the shares
> permanently on windows 10.
>
> It lacks sophistication, but is very stable and was relatively easy to
> achieve, there are good how to descriptions on the web. The only
> unexpected thing I learnt was that it was better to format the disks
> using ext4 rather than ntfs, better write performance.
Yes I was using EXT4, maybe I'll give Ubuntu a go when my patience has come back

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 by: Theo - Thu, 15 Apr 2021 22:32 UTC

fastrack1966 <googlenospam@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> I tried Truenas, Rockstor, then OMV. All three I got working after a
> fashion but my biggest bugbear was Shares. With all of them I found
> sharing/SMB a nightmare, and I have been in Windows I.T. support for 30
> years! Sometimes it would take all night for a share to appear on a
> Windows computer, I simply abandoned all three. I may try again in the
> future if I have the courage. I may try an XP based twin-data-drives plus
> OS drive and see what blows up :-(

Did you try going to

\\nas-server-name-or-IP\sharename

directly in Windows Explorer?

Windows' network server discovery has always been a mystery to me, but I've
found it a lot easier to test things by just typing it in direct.

I recently set up Samba on FreeBSD for a Mac client - I had to list the
shares in one config file and that was it, I could then connect by name from
the Mac.

Theo

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 by: Gordon - Fri, 16 Apr 2021 03:16 UTC

On 2021-04-15, fastrack1966 <googlenospam@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> On Thursday, 15 April 2021 at 21:26:55 UTC+1, Pancho wrote:
>> On 15/04/2021 19:59, fastrack1966 wrote:
>> > On Thursday, 15 April 2021 at 17:24:35 UTC+1, RobH wrote:
>> >> On 15/04/2021 17:19, Chris Ridd wrote:
>> >>> On 15/04/2021 16:09, Theo wrote:
>> >>>> fastrack1966 <google...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>>>> Does anyone know of a cheap "Windows Way" of file storage? I need a NAS
>> >>>>> setup but without buying a Windows license, no Linux (can't deal with
>> >>>>> it!), and live file access. Hence a box with twin hard drives - I've
>> >>>>> built all the hardware and have a brainwave:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> There are lots of 'appliance' Linux and FreeBSD distros. You install
>> >>>> them
>> >>>> from the CD/USB/etc. You get a clicky GUI or (more likely) a web
>> >>>> interface.
>> >>>> They file share to Windows. You never need to know what they run
>> >>>> under the
>> >>>> hood.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> https://www.fosslinux.com/43258/best-linux-nas-solutions.htm
>> >>>
>> >>> As you point out you never have to know what's under the hood.
>> >>>
>> >>> Which advice the author of that hilariously badly informed article has
>> >>> taken to heart! The top "Linux" NAS runs FreeBSD, the next runs
>> >>> NexentaOS (based on illumos), there's FreeNAS further down which is also
>> >>> definitely not Linux...
>> >>>
>> >> I have been using FreeNAS or TrueNAS as it is now known? for that last 6
>> >> years. It is being used as a file server and for data storage. It is
>> >> easily accessable from all my other devices.
>> > I tried Truenas, Rockstor, then OMV. All three I got working after a fashion but my biggest bugbear was Shares. With all of them I found sharing/SMB a nightmare, and I have been in Windows I.T. support for 30 years! Sometimes it would take all night for a share to appear on a Windows computer, I simply abandoned all three. I may try again in the future if I have the courage. I may try an XP based twin-data-drives plus OS drive and see what blows up :-(
>> >
>> I'm a windows programmer, but I use Linux for serving files. However
>> rather than use a NAS distribution I use Samba with a bog standard Linux
>> distro, something like Ubuntu. (I actually use raspberry pi os, but it
>> is very similar)
>>
>> There are only a few config files to edit and it is easy to find
>> examples. I use nothing apart from "net use" to mount the shares
>> permanently on windows 10.
>>
>> It lacks sophistication, but is very stable and was relatively easy to
>> achieve, there are good how to descriptions on the web. The only
>> unexpected thing I learnt was that it was better to format the disks
>> using ext4 rather than ntfs, better write performance.
> Yes I was using EXT4, maybe I'll give Ubuntu a go when my patience has come back

There we go, answered your own question. Seems to me that you are not
starting from scratch. You have some experience and skills.

I am sure the Windows way also has the ability to raise ones blood pressure.

That it easy and stick with it, make sure you know what you wish to achieve
and then search out the solution.

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 by: fastrack1966 - Fri, 16 Apr 2021 12:53 UTC

On Thursday, 15 April 2021 at 23:32:22 UTC+1, Theo wrote:
> fastrack1966 <google...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > I tried Truenas, Rockstor, then OMV. All three I got working after a
> > fashion but my biggest bugbear was Shares. With all of them I found
> > sharing/SMB a nightmare, and I have been in Windows I.T. support for 30
> > years! Sometimes it would take all night for a share to appear on a
> > Windows computer, I simply abandoned all three. I may try again in the
> > future if I have the courage. I may try an XP based twin-data-drives plus
> > OS drive and see what blows up :-(
> Did you try going to
>
> \\nas-server-name-or-IP\sharename
>
> directly in Windows Explorer?
>
> Windows' network server discovery has always been a mystery to me, but I've
> found it a lot easier to test things by just typing it in direct.
>
> I recently set up Samba on FreeBSD for a Mac client - I had to list the
> shares in one config file and that was it, I could then connect by name from
> the Mac.
>
> Theo
I tried that way, mapping in the GUI. Net use. One mystery was that on one of my trials of Truenas I could not map thro the GUI in Windows but when I went to net use it mapped immediately.

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 by: Adrian Caspersz - Sat, 17 Apr 2021 08:28 UTC

On 15/04/2021 21:51, fastrack1966 wrote:
>>
>> ... until the electricity bill lands on the doormat.
>>
>> --
>> Adrian C
> You mean someone will hack into my electric account!!!! We are still on the old school clockwork meters here...........
>

Nah, the power supply of an old XP PC may not be that energy efficient
to run 24/7.

Figure 100W load costs £100 a year on your bill.

(I'd investigate a purpose built NAS, or cloud drive with 2FA/2SA)

--
Adrian C

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On 17 Apr 2021 at 09:28:32 BST, "Adrian Caspersz" <email@here.invalid>
wrote:

> On 15/04/2021 21:51, fastrack1966 wrote:
>>>
>>> ... until the electricity bill lands on the doormat.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Adrian C
>> You mean someone will hack into my electric account!!!! We are still on the old school clockwork meters here...........
>>
>
> Nah, the power supply of an old XP PC may not be that energy efficient
> to run 24/7.

And XP has sod all power saving compared to modern Windows, and nor does
a ~20 year old PC.

> Figure 100W load costs £100 a year on your bill.

£120 here at the mo. I should look around.

> (I'd investigate a purpose built NAS, or cloud drive with 2FA/2SA)

Aye. Figure in backups as well - don't have any data only in one place.
This may mean two NAS type objects, or a cloud backup for your NAS, a
local external USB for your NAS or whatever.

Cheers - Jaimie
--
C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++
makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away
your whole leg.
-- Bjarne Stroustrup

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 by: RJH - Sat, 17 Apr 2021 12:25 UTC

On 17 Apr 2021 at 12:09:46 BST, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
<jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:

> On 17 Apr 2021 at 09:28:32 BST, "Adrian Caspersz" <email@here.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 15/04/2021 21:51, fastrack1966 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ... until the electricity bill lands on the doormat.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Adrian C
>>> You mean someone will hack into my electric account!!!! We are still on
>>> the old school clockwork meters here...........
>>>
>>
>> Nah, the power supply of an old XP PC may not be that energy efficient
>> to run 24/7.
>
> And XP has sod all power saving compared to modern Windows, and nor does
> a ~20 year old PC.
>
>> Figure 100W load costs £100 a year on your bill.
>
> £120 here at the mo. I should look around.

Pretty much impossible to compare like with like due to hugely variable
standing charges. ISTR 20p kW/hr as the gross figure here when I last looked -
putting the cost at about £175 . . .

--
Cheers, Rob

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On Sat, 17 Apr 2021 12:25:06 +0000, RJH wrote:

> On 17 Apr 2021 at 12:09:46 BST, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
> <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
>
>> On 17 Apr 2021 at 09:28:32 BST, "Adrian Caspersz" <email@here.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 15/04/2021 21:51, fastrack1966 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ... until the electricity bill lands on the doormat.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Adrian C
>>>> You mean someone will hack into my electric account!!!! We are
>>>> still on
>>>> the old school clockwork meters here...........
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Nah, the power supply of an old XP PC may not be that energy
>>> efficient to run 24/7.
>>
>> And XP has sod all power saving compared to modern Windows, and nor
>> does a ~20 year old PC.
>>
>>> Figure 100W load costs £100 a year on your bill.
>>
>> £120 here at the mo. I should look around.
>
> Pretty much impossible to compare like with like due to hugely variable
> standing charges. ISTR 20p kW/hr as the gross figure here when I last
> looked -
> putting the cost at about £175 . . .

My FreeNAS box (XigmaNAS as of more than two years ago) with three HDDs
(WD 10, 6 and 4 TB capacity) spinning 24/7 'cos I don't want them to
suffer the abuse of a spin down time out and I value my sanity too much
to put up with the annoyance this causes, takes only 47 watts (plus
another 3 watts for an APC BackUPS500).

I last upgraded the MoBo some 12 years back to take advantage of the
built in GBe LAN port (trying an iNTEL based GBe adapter had been a waste
of time and money).

I didn't discover that the 64MB/s speed limit on copying large GB sized
media files to and from the NAS had been a Win2K issue until I ran a test
using a customer's win7 box when I saw initial data rates topping 124MB/s
in each direction until the cache buffers filled up some 3 or 5 seconds
later when it dropped to the disk transfer speed limit of around 85 to 90
MB/s!

The win2k box MoBo was some two or three years younger so more up to
date. Actually, it was about as recent as it could be before the MoBo
makers totally dropped driver support as I discovered about six or seven
years ago on my next major 4 yearly hardware upgrade, forcing me to
finally abandon the Microsoft ship and go over to Linux Mint.

That data transfer speed test with a win7 desktop had revealed the
weakness of Linux and its poor SMB performance I'd observed ever since
I'd abandoned Novel's NW3.12 with its artificial 1MB/s network speed
limit imposed on a 100Mb/s LAN to rebuild the server on Linux based
distros which even then showed a 6.8MB/s limit when win2k to win2k speeds
topped 10MB/s.

When I temporarily resorted to booting the server from a Knoppix Live CD
to work around a 1Tib address wrap around bug in FreeNAS's Ext2 support
driver whilst waiting for a bug fix to this issue, the read/write
performance halved from the 50 to 60MB/s I was seeing over GBe to a mere
25MB/s.

I was seeing a definite pattern with Linux and piss poor SMB data
transfer speeds, a pattern that was confirmed as no fluke when I made the
switch to Linux Mint. Writes to the NAS box from the local disks on this
Linux Mint desktop top out at 64 to 66 MB/s with reads from the NAS doing
no better than 45 MB/s, often down to 25MB/s or slower.

It's a situation I've put up with since writes to the NAS were no slower
than they had been with win2k on a previous version of hardware and I had
hopes of finally seeing a FreeBSD desktop distro that even I could manage
to install which would restore those 125MB/s speeds I'd seen between win7
and the FreeBSD based NAS.

Having taken a brief look at one FreeBSD desktop offering just recently,
the time to 'jump ship' yet again may be nigh. However, I'll need to take
a much closer look at these later FreeBSD desktop offerings before making
any such move.

For added interest, here's a copy and paste of the status page of my
XigmaNAS box

Version 11.2.0.4 - Omnius (revision 6026)
Compiled Thursday 20 September 2018 18:45:43 GMT
Platform OS FreeBSD 11.2-RELEASE-p3 #0 r338829M: Thu Sep 20 17:32:35
CEST 2018

Platform x64-embedded on AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+
System ALiveNF7G-FullHD..
System BIOS American Megatrends Inc. Version: P1.10 04/11/2008
System Time Saturday 17 April 2021 22:51:56 GMT
System Uptime 683 Days 7 Hours 38 Minutes 40 Seconds
System Config Change Tuesday 04 June 2019 14:21:58 GMT
CPU Frequency 1000MHz
CPU Usage 0%
CPU Core Usage
Core 0: 0% Temp: 34.6 °C
Core 1: 0% Temp: 32.6 °C
Memory Usage 42% of 3.8GiB
Swap Usage 32% of 536.87MB
Device: /dev/da2p3 | Total: 536.87MB | Used: 173.49MB | Free: 363.38MB
Load Averages
0.23, 0.25, 0.25 [Show Process Information]
Disk Space Usage
DISK_1 81% of 9.7TB Total: 9.7TB | Used: 7.9TB | Free: 1.8TB
DISK_2 93% of 5.8TB Total: 5.8TB | Used: 5.4TB | Free: 385GB
DISK_3 89% of 3.9TB Total: 3.9TB | Used: 3.4TB | Free: 435GB
UPS Status ups1 UPS disabled

The disks are formatted as three separate UFS volumes since the bulk of
the data are large GB sized media files, the loss of which wouldn't be
any major tragedy. What little 'precious' data there is, I have
duplicated on physically separate volumes in the NAS box and the desktop
client machine.

I've been running network storage for just on quarter of a century,
starting with a 2nd hand Novel file server installed on an NEC PowerMate
II with its original AT MoBo and 16MHz clocked 286 processor and a 16MB
ISA memory expansion card and an ESDI adapter connected to a whopping
280MB full height ESDI disk drive so noisy (especially after I'd added
another 300MB full height drive) that I had to keep it in the basement.

Over the next 4 or 5 years, I upgraded to IDE HDDs and the MoBo/cpu to
386SX then 386DX followed by a 486SX before rebuilding the whole thing
into its current Gateway2000 desktop case with a Pentium class MoBo that
could boot up off the 100mA rated 5VSB of its original 140W rated ITX psu.
I fixed that compatibility issue by adding the pcb from a 5v 2A wallwart
to the PSU to supplement the 5VSB line.

I could have used a more recent small form factor ATX psu but the one I
bought as a potential replacement consumes an extra couple of watts so it
remains in the box labelled "NAS spares".

As a consequence of all those hardware upgrades, with the advent of the
Gateway2000 cased version, it went from being the noisiest bit of IT kit
in the house with just 580MB of storage space to the quietest with 20TB's
worth of storage space.

The thermostatic fan in that 140W ITX psu keeps the HDD temperatures low
(worst case is the 10TB HDD running 11 deg above ambient). I won't have
to start worrying about overheating issues unless an extreme Heatwave
event in the UK threatens to raise the ambient above the 40deg C mark.

If SMB data transfer rates are important to you, I'd recommend against
using a Linux based NAS and choose a FreeBSD based one instead.

--
Johnny B Good

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 by: Raj Kundra - Sun, 18 Apr 2021 10:06 UTC

On 15/04/2021 15:27, fastrack1966 wrote:
> Does anyone know of a cheap "Windows Way" of file storage? I need a NAS setup but without buying a Windows license, no Linux (can't deal with it!), and live file access. Hence a box with twin hard drives - I've built all the hardware and have a brainwave:
> Microsoft are unlikely to be checking licensing of an old Win XP computer. If this computer is on my home LAN but not on the internet will it be protected? This is assuming all other devices are protected of course, which they are. Will this computer be vulnerable if all the other devices are updated securely?

Got HP Micro server with 4-8Gb Ram and 4 x 2TB HDD set as 2 mirrored RAIDS.

Please do not laugh, it is running Windows XP for last 4-5 years without
any problems, Yes I have latest version of AVG installed on it. Auto
starts at 7:30am and shuts down 10:30PM. Used as file server and
storage, so all files are in one place and I can access them over the
network from other 4 windows 10 PC’s. I think that is the simplest
solution you can have, unless some tells me another way.

You can use windows 10 to make sure you are fully up to date.

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 by: Adrian Caspersz - Sun, 18 Apr 2021 10:55 UTC

On 18/04/2021 11:06, Raj Kundra wrote:

> Please do not laugh, it is running Windows XP for last 4-5 years without
> any problems, Yes I have latest version of AVG installed on it. Auto
> starts at 7:30am and shuts down 10:30PM. Used as file server and
> storage, so all files are in one place and I can access them over the
> network from other 4 windows 10 PC’s. I think that is the simplest
> solution you can have, unless some tells me another way.

Would not say the simplest but if it works, and you can handle it, why
fix it?

But if ye absolutely have to stay in windows for ? reasons and want
something newer, Windows Hyper-V stand-alone server is a free download.

OK, it is a server OS intended for virtualisation use - but if ye just
ignore that role and just use it as a plain Jane (No GUI!) operating
system, you'll find ye can actually host traditional SMB windows shares
on it. And it is fully supported by Windows update, including possibly
the Malicious Software Removal Tool?. Probably breaks some EULA
somewhere, which might put ye on the naughty step with Microsoft.

I think most folks get unstuck on Windows sharing and interoperability
due to their own OS authentication, workgroup, domain and subnet issues.
All of that stems from misconfiguration, and makes it difficult for them
to use better file sharing alternatives hosted on say Linux.

You can fix the Windows "issues" to make it apparently superior by
disabling as much security features as you can get hold of. Kill Windows
updates, don't use passwords, have it wide open. Bodge it. Super, it works.

Well, each to their own (mess) - not all have been successfully through
the diagnostic training that gives them a ticket to get things 'right'
as Microsoft/Apple/Linux/Google etc.. designed.

And neither me, and frankly all these NAS products (and arguably all
Operating Systems and all security concepts) are way too complicated for
mainstream ....

Lets start again with everything ;-)

Fisher Price IT...

--
Adrian C

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 by: fastrack1966 - Mon, 19 Apr 2021 13:53 UTC

On Sunday, 18 April 2021 at 11:06:34 UTC+1, Raj Kundra wrote:
> On 15/04/2021 15:27, fastrack1966 wrote:
> > Does anyone know of a cheap "Windows Way" of file storage? I need a NAS setup but without buying a Windows license, no Linux (can't deal with it!), and live file access. Hence a box with twin hard drives - I've built all the hardware and have a brainwave:
> > Microsoft are unlikely to be checking licensing of an old Win XP computer. If this computer is on my home LAN but not on the internet will it be protected? This is assuming all other devices are protected of course, which they are. Will this computer be vulnerable if all the other devices are updated securely?
> Got HP Micro server with 4-8Gb Ram and 4 x 2TB HDD set as 2 mirrored RAIDS.
>
> Please do not laugh, it is running Windows XP for last 4-5 years without
> any problems, Yes I have latest version of AVG installed on it. Auto
> starts at 7:30am and shuts down 10:30PM. Used as file server and
> storage, so all files are in one place and I can access them over the
> network from other 4 windows 10 PC’s. I think that is the simplest
> solution you can have, unless some tells me another way.
>
> You can use windows 10 to make sure you are fully up to date.
Thats great, I still have my old XP CD. I should add bearing in mind an earlier post the PC is not old, it could run Win10 but using XP cuts the OS price. Just a bit...........

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 by: Theo - Mon, 19 Apr 2021 16:50 UTC

fastrack1966 <googlenospam@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> Thats great, I still have my old XP CD. I should add bearing in mind an
> earlier post the PC is not old, it could run Win10 but using XP cuts the
> OS price. Just a bit...........

Windows 7 keys can be bought on ebay for a few quid and I think they still
work for registering Windows 10, although it's been a long time since I
looked into this.

Theo

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 by: Pancho - Mon, 19 Apr 2021 17:57 UTC

On 19/04/2021 17:50, Theo wrote:
> fastrack1966 <googlenospam@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> Thats great, I still have my old XP CD. I should add bearing in mind an
>> earlier post the PC is not old, it could run Win10 but using XP cuts the
>> OS price. Just a bit...........
>
> Windows 7 keys can be bought on ebay for a few quid and I think they still
> work for registering Windows 10, although it's been a long time since I
> looked into this.
>
> Theo
>

I bought a Win10 licence off ebay, for a genuine licenced Win7 laptop
that refused to upgrade to Win10 at the appropriate time.

I can see a Win10 licence for £2.98 today.

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 by: fastrack1966 - Wed, 21 Apr 2021 12:01 UTC

On Monday, 19 April 2021 at 18:57:36 UTC+1, Pancho wrote:
> On 19/04/2021 17:50, Theo wrote:
> > fastrack1966 <google...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >> Thats great, I still have my old XP CD. I should add bearing in mind an
> >> earlier post the PC is not old, it could run Win10 but using XP cuts the
> >> OS price. Just a bit...........
> >
> > Windows 7 keys can be bought on ebay for a few quid and I think they still
> > work for registering Windows 10, although it's been a long time since I
> > looked into this.
> >
> > Theo
> >
> I bought a Win10 licence off ebay, for a genuine licenced Win7 laptop
> that refused to upgrade to Win10 at the appropriate time.
>
>
> I can see a Win10 licence for £2.98 today.
Oh Well, I paid £15 for Gen Win10 last week, I have to look more carefully!

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