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* noticeMax
+* Re: noticeSylvia Else
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| +- Re: noticeSylvia Else
| `- Re: noticeRod Speed
`* Re: noticeRod Speed
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  `* Re: noticeRod Speed
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Newsgroups: aus.legal
Subject: notice
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2022 11:30:41 +1100
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 by: Max - Sun, 30 Oct 2022 00:30 UTC

Most employment contracts have a clause whereby both the employee and
employer can terminate the contract but must give 4 weeks notice.

What happens if an employee resigns but on the same day ceases to go
into work? Because they didn't give 4 weeks notice, do they now owe the
employer 4 weeks pay?

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 by: Sylvia Else - Sun, 30 Oct 2022 00:36 UTC

On 30-Oct-22 11:30 am, Max wrote:
> Most employment contracts have a clause whereby both the employee and
> employer can terminate the contract but must give 4 weeks notice.
>
> What happens if an employee resigns but on the same day ceases to go
> into work?  Because they didn't give 4 weeks notice, do they now owe the
> employer 4 weeks pay?

Not automatically. If the employer sustains an actual loss as a result
of the breach of contract, they could sue the employee. I doubt it
happens often, not least because it's arguable that the loss is that
incurred as a result of a reluctant employee not being present, which
could easily be zero, or even negative.

Sylvia.

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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 30 Oct 2022 01:32 UTC

Max <max@invalid.address> wrote

> Most employment contracts have a clause whereby both the employee and
> employer can terminate the contract but must give 4 weeks notice.

> What happens if an employee resigns but on the same day ceases to go
> into work?

Nothing special. They only get paid for the time they did work.

> Because they didn't give 4 weeks notice, do they now owe the employer 4
> weeks pay?

Nope, dope.

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 by: Max - Sun, 30 Oct 2022 02:05 UTC

On 30/10/2022 11:36 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 30-Oct-22 11:30 am, Max wrote:
>> Most employment contracts have a clause whereby both the employee and
>> employer can terminate the contract but must give 4 weeks notice.
>>
>> What happens if an employee resigns but on the same day ceases to go
>> into work?  Because they didn't give 4 weeks notice, do they now owe
>> the employer 4 weeks pay?
>
> Not automatically. If the employer sustains an actual loss as a result
> of the breach of contract, they could sue the employee. I doubt it
> happens often, not least because it's arguable that the loss is that
> incurred as a result of a reluctant employee not being present, which
> could easily be zero, or even negative.
>

Couldn't the employer easily deduct the amount from any unsued leave
payout or other severance payout?

Then the employee would have to sue the employer which would be too
expensive to bother for most employees.

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 by: Max - Sun, 30 Oct 2022 02:09 UTC

On 30/10/2022 12:32 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> Max <max@invalid.address> wrote
>
>> Most employment contracts have a clause whereby both the employee and
>> employer can terminate the contract but must give 4 weeks notice.
>
>> What happens if an employee resigns but on the same day ceases to go
>> into work?
>
> Nothing special. They only get paid for the time they did work.
>
>> Because they didn't give 4 weeks notice, do they now owe the employer
>> 4 weeks pay?
>
> Nope, dope.

Why does an employee have to give 4 weeks notice then?

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 by: Sylvia Else - Sun, 30 Oct 2022 02:26 UTC

On 30-Oct-22 1:05 pm, Max wrote:
> On 30/10/2022 11:36 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 30-Oct-22 11:30 am, Max wrote:
>>> Most employment contracts have a clause whereby both the employee and
>>> employer can terminate the contract but must give 4 weeks notice.
>>>
>>> What happens if an employee resigns but on the same day ceases to go
>>> into work?  Because they didn't give 4 weeks notice, do they now owe
>>> the employer 4 weeks pay?
>>
>> Not automatically. If the employer sustains an actual loss as a result
>> of the breach of contract, they could sue the employee. I doubt it
>> happens often, not least because it's arguable that the loss is that
>> incurred as a result of a reluctant employee not being present, which
>> could easily be zero, or even negative.
>>
>
> Couldn't the employer easily deduct the amount from any unsued leave
> payout or other severance payout?
>
> Then the employee would have to sue the employer which would be too
> expensive to bother for most employees.
>

Anyone at any time can retain money they owe to other people if they
think they won't get sued.

Anyone deprived of owed wages etc. would probably just complain to the
Fair Work Ombudsman.

Sylvia.

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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 30 Oct 2022 02:45 UTC

On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 13:05:14 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:

> On 30/10/2022 11:36 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 30-Oct-22 11:30 am, Max wrote:
>>> Most employment contracts have a clause whereby both the employee and
>>> employer can terminate the contract but must give 4 weeks notice.
>>>
>>> What happens if an employee resigns but on the same day ceases to go
>>> into work? Because they didn't give 4 weeks notice, do they now owe
>>> the employer 4 weeks pay?
>> Not automatically. If the employer sustains an actual loss as a result
>> of the breach of contract, they could sue the employee. I doubt it
>> happens often, not least because it's arguable that the loss is that
>> incurred as a result of a reluctant employee not being present, which
>> could easily be zero, or even negative.
>>
>
> Couldn't the employer easily deduct the amount from any unsued leave
> payout or other severance payout?

Not legal to do that, even if the contract says that.

> Then the employee would have to sue the employer which would be too
> expensive to bother for most employees.

Wrong, as always. They don't have to sue. And the small claims system
isn't expensive and the employee doesn't have to use it anyway.

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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 30 Oct 2022 02:46 UTC

On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 13:09:33 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:

> On 30/10/2022 12:32 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>> Max <max@invalid.address> wrote
>>
>>> Most employment contracts have a clause whereby both the employee and
>>> employer can terminate the contract but must give 4 weeks notice.
>>
>>> What happens if an employee resigns but on the same day ceases to go
>>> into work?
>> Nothing special. They only get paid for the time they did work.
>>
>>> Because they didn't give 4 weeks notice, do they now owe the employer
>>> 4 weeks pay?
>> Nope, dope.
>
> Why does an employee have to give 4 weeks notice then?

They don't, its a bluff by the employer and ignorant fools like you are
bluffed.

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 by: Max - Sun, 30 Oct 2022 03:04 UTC

On 30/10/2022 1:46 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 13:09:33 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:
>
>> On 30/10/2022 12:32 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> Max <max@invalid.address> wrote
>>>
>>>> Most employment contracts have a clause whereby both the employee
>>>> and employer can terminate the contract but must give 4 weeks notice.
>>>
>>>> What happens if an employee resigns but on the same day ceases to go
>>>> into work?
>>>  Nothing special. They only get paid for the time they did work.
>>>
>>>> Because they didn't give 4 weeks notice, do they now owe the
>>>> employer 4 weeks pay?
>>>  Nope, dope.
>>
>> Why does an employee have to give 4 weeks notice then?
>
> They don't, its a bluff by the employer and ignorant fools like you are
> bluffed.

I'm not bluffed. If and when I am sacked, I intend to resign on the spot
and walk out of the office never to return.

Then the employer won't be able to do any hand-over or finalising of my
work, which will serve them right.

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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 30 Oct 2022 03:08 UTC

On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 14:04:04 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:

> On 30/10/2022 1:46 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 13:09:33 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:
>>
>>> On 30/10/2022 12:32 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> Max <max@invalid.address> wrote
>>>>
>>>>> Most employment contracts have a clause whereby both the employee
>>>>> and employer can terminate the contract but must give 4 weeks notice.
>>>>
>>>>> What happens if an employee resigns but on the same day ceases to go
>>>>> into work?
>>>> Nothing special. They only get paid for the time they did work.
>>>>
>>>>> Because they didn't give 4 weeks notice, do they now owe the
>>>>> employer 4 weeks pay?
>>>> Nope, dope.
>>>
>>> Why does an employee have to give 4 weeks notice then?
>> They don't, its a bluff by the employer and ignorant fools like you
>> are bluffed.

> I'm not bluffed.

We'll see...

> If and when I am sacked, I intend to resign on the spot and walk out of
> the office never to return.

And that is precisely what your employer wants, regardless
of what might or might not be in your contract.

> Then the employer won't be able to do any hand-over or finalising of my
> work,

And avoid you deliberately fucking things up and stealing their data etc.

There is no handover or finalising your work with dunny cleaners.

> which will serve them right.

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 by: Max - Sun, 30 Oct 2022 06:06 UTC

On 30/10/2022 2:08 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 14:04:04 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:
>
>> On 30/10/2022 1:46 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 13:09:33 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 30/10/2022 12:32 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>> Max <max@invalid.address> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>> Most employment contracts have a clause whereby both the employee
>>>>>> and employer can terminate the contract but must give 4 weeks notice.
>>>>>
>>>>>> What happens if an employee resigns but on the same day ceases to
>>>>>> go into work?
>>>>>  Nothing special. They only get paid for the time they did work.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Because they didn't give 4 weeks notice, do they now owe the
>>>>>> employer 4 weeks pay?
>>>>>  Nope, dope.
>>>>
>>>> Why does an employee have to give 4 weeks notice then?
>>>  They don't, its a bluff by the employer and ignorant fools like you
>>> are bluffed.
>
>> I'm not bluffed.
>
> We'll see...
>
>> If and when I am sacked, I intend to resign on the spot and walk out
>> of the office never to return.
>
> And that is precisely what your employer wants, regardless
> of what might or might not be in your contract.
>

Not necessarily in my job. My employer would be majorly pissed off if I
just left suddenly.

There would need to be some handover of what I have been doing, because
without that it might take someone else a long time trying to work
things out.

>> Then the employer won't be able to do any hand-over or finalising of
>> my work,
>
> And avoid you deliberately fucking things up and stealing their data etc.
>
> There is no handover or finalising your work with dunny cleaners.
>

I am not a dunny cleaner, but I don't know why you would denigrate that
job. It is an honest and legitimate job, and I wouldn't mind doing it
myself.

There might also be some handover in that job, because the cleaner might
know which chemicals and tools to use at particular sites, as well as
security cards and keys etc.

>> which will serve them right.

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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 30 Oct 2022 06:29 UTC

On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 17:06:46 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:

> On 30/10/2022 2:08 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 14:04:04 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:
>>
>>> On 30/10/2022 1:46 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 13:09:33 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 30/10/2022 12:32 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>> Max <max@invalid.address> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most employment contracts have a clause whereby both the employee
>>>>>>> and employer can terminate the contract but must give 4 weeks
>>>>>>> notice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What happens if an employee resigns but on the same day ceases to
>>>>>>> go into work?
>>>>>> Nothing special. They only get paid for the time they did work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because they didn't give 4 weeks notice, do they now owe the
>>>>>>> employer 4 weeks pay?
>>>>>> Nope, dope.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why does an employee have to give 4 weeks notice then?
>>>> They don't, its a bluff by the employer and ignorant fools like you
>>>> are bluffed.
>>
>>> I'm not bluffed.
>> We'll see...
>>
>>> If and when I am sacked, I intend to resign on the spot and walk out
>>> of the office never to return.

>> And that is precisely what your employer wants, regardless
>> of what might or might not be in your contract.

> Not necessarily in my job. My employer would be majorly pissed off if I
> just left suddenly.

> There would need to be some handover of what I have been doing, because
> without that it might take someone else a long time trying to work
> things out.
>
>
>
>
>>> Then the employer won't be able to do any hand-over or finalising of
>>> my work,
>> And avoid you deliberately fucking things up and stealing their data
>> etc.
>> There is no handover or finalising your work with dunny cleaners.
>>
>
> I am not a dunny cleaner, but I don't know why you would denigrate that
> job. It is an honest and legitimate job, and I wouldn't mind doing it
> myself.

Only because even dunny cleaners are in short supply at the moment
and its a shit of a job so they don't want to do it themselves.

> There might also be some handover in that job,

Wrong, as always.

> because the cleaner might know which chemicals and tools to use at
> particular sites,

All dunnys are the same, stupid.

> as well as security cards and keys etc.

Trivial for your employer to give those to the new dunny cleaner.

>>> which will serve them right.

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 by: Max - Sun, 30 Oct 2022 12:04 UTC

On 30/10/2022 5:29 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 17:06:46 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:
>
>> On 30/10/2022 2:08 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 14:04:04 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 30/10/2022 1:46 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 13:09:33 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 30/10/2022 12:32 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>> Max <max@invalid.address> wrote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Most employment contracts have a clause whereby both the
>>>>>>>> employee and employer can terminate the contract but must give 4
>>>>>>>> weeks notice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What happens if an employee resigns but on the same day ceases
>>>>>>>> to go into work?
>>>>>>>  Nothing special. They only get paid for the time they did work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because they didn't give 4 weeks notice, do they now owe the
>>>>>>>> employer 4 weeks pay?
>>>>>>>  Nope, dope.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why does an employee have to give 4 weeks notice then?
>>>>>  They don't, its a bluff by the employer and ignorant fools like
>>>>> you are bluffed.
>>>
>>>> I'm not bluffed.
>>>  We'll see...
>>>
>>>> If and when I am sacked, I intend to resign on the spot and walk out
>>>> of the office never to return.
>
>>>  And that is precisely what your employer wants, regardless
>>> of what might or might not be in your contract.
>
>> Not necessarily in my job.  My employer would be majorly pissed off if
>> I just left suddenly.
>
>> There would need to be some handover of what I have been doing,
>> because without that it might take someone else a long time trying to
>> work things out.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>> Then the employer won't be able to do any hand-over or finalising of
>>>> my work,
>>>  And avoid you deliberately fucking things up and stealing their data
>>> etc.
>>>  There is no handover or finalising your work with dunny cleaners.
>>>
>>
>> I am not a dunny cleaner, but I don't know why you would denigrate
>> that job.  It is an honest and legitimate job, and I wouldn't mind
>> doing it myself.
>
> Only because even dunny cleaners are in short supply at the moment
> and its a shit of a job so they don't want to do it themselves.
>

Some people might like the job because you don't have to deal with other
fuckwit people.

>> There might also be some handover in that job,
>
> Wrong, as always.
>
>> because the cleaner might know which chemicals and tools to use at
>> particular sites,
>
> All dunnys are the same, stupid.
>

Wrong. You can use bleach on normal porcelain toilets, but you shouldn't
use it on enamelled toilets.

>> as well as security cards and keys etc.
>
> Trivial for your employer to give those to the new dunny cleaner.
>

The employee could keep the keys and cards when he resigns and not
return them to the employer. That would be a big headache for the employer.

>>>> which will serve them right.

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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 30 Oct 2022 17:15 UTC

On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 23:04:58 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:

> On 30/10/2022 5:29 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 17:06:46 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:
>>
>>> On 30/10/2022 2:08 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 14:04:04 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 30/10/2022 1:46 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 13:09:33 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 30/10/2022 12:32 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>> Max <max@invalid.address> wrote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Most employment contracts have a clause whereby both the
>>>>>>>>> employee and employer can terminate the contract but must give 4
>>>>>>>>> weeks notice.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What happens if an employee resigns but on the same day ceases
>>>>>>>>> to go into work?
>>>>>>>> Nothing special. They only get paid for the time they did work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because they didn't give 4 weeks notice, do they now owe the
>>>>>>>>> employer 4 weeks pay?
>>>>>>>> Nope, dope.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why does an employee have to give 4 weeks notice then?
>>>>>> They don't, its a bluff by the employer and ignorant fools like
>>>>>> you are bluffed.
>>>>
>>>>> I'm not bluffed.
>>>> We'll see...
>>>>
>>>>> If and when I am sacked, I intend to resign on the spot and walk out
>>>>> of the office never to return.
>>
>>>> And that is precisely what your employer wants, regardless
>>>> of what might or might not be in your contract.
>>
>>> Not necessarily in my job. My employer would be majorly pissed off if
>>> I just left suddenly.
>>
>>> There would need to be some handover of what I have been doing,
>>> because without that it might take someone else a long time trying to
>>> work things out.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Then the employer won't be able to do any hand-over or finalising of
>>>>> my work,
>>>> And avoid you deliberately fucking things up and stealing their data
>>>> etc.
>>>> There is no handover or finalising your work with dunny cleaners.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I am not a dunny cleaner, but I don't know why you would denigrate
>>> that job. It is an honest and legitimate job, and I wouldn't mind
>>> doing it myself.

>> Only because even dunny cleaners are in short supply at the moment
>> and its a shit of a job so they don't want to do it themselves.

> Some people might like the job because you don't have to deal with other
> fuckwit people.

More likely that is all they can do.

>>> There might also be some handover in that job,
>> Wrong, as always.
>>
>>> because the cleaner might know which chemicals and tools to use at
>>> particular sites,
>> All dunnys are the same, stupid.
>>
>
> Wrong. You can use bleach on normal porcelain toilets, but you shouldn't
> use it on enamelled toilets.

Wrong, as always.

>>> as well as security cards and keys etc.
>> Trivial for your employer to give those to the new dunny cleaner.

> The employee could keep the keys and cards when he resigns and not
> return them to the employer. That would be a big headache for the
> employer.

Nope, trivial to replace them.

>>>>> which will serve them right.

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 by: Peter Jason - Sun, 30 Oct 2022 20:20 UTC

>
>All dunnys are the same, stupid.

No, professor Moron, the one's in prison are of stainless steel.
You should stay in more!
>
>> as well as security cards and keys etc.
>
>Trivial for your employer to give those to the new dunny cleaner.
>
>>>> which will serve them right.

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 by: Max - Sun, 30 Oct 2022 23:27 UTC

On 31/10/2022 4:15 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 23:04:58 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:
>
>> On 30/10/2022 5:29 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 17:06:46 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 30/10/2022 2:08 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 14:04:04 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 30/10/2022 1:46 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 13:09:33 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 30/10/2022 12:32 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Max <max@invalid.address> wrote
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Most employment contracts have a clause whereby both the
>>>>>>>>>> employee and employer can terminate the contract but must give
>>>>>>>>>> 4 weeks notice.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What happens if an employee resigns but on the same day ceases
>>>>>>>>>> to go into work?
>>>>>>>>>  Nothing special. They only get paid for the time they did work.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Because they didn't give 4 weeks notice, do they now owe the
>>>>>>>>>> employer 4 weeks pay?
>>>>>>>>>  Nope, dope.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why does an employee have to give 4 weeks notice then?
>>>>>>>  They don't, its a bluff by the employer and ignorant fools like
>>>>>>> you are bluffed.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not bluffed.
>>>>>  We'll see...
>>>>>
>>>>>> If and when I am sacked, I intend to resign on the spot and walk
>>>>>> out of the office never to return.
>>>
>>>>>  And that is precisely what your employer wants, regardless
>>>>> of what might or might not be in your contract.
>>>
>>>> Not necessarily in my job.  My employer would be majorly pissed off
>>>> if I just left suddenly.
>>>
>>>> There would need to be some handover of what I have been doing,
>>>> because without that it might take someone else a long time trying
>>>> to work things out.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Then the employer won't be able to do any hand-over or finalising
>>>>>> of my work,
>>>>>  And avoid you deliberately fucking things up and stealing their
>>>>> data etc.
>>>>>  There is no handover or finalising your work with dunny cleaners.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am not a dunny cleaner, but I don't know why you would denigrate
>>>> that job.  It is an honest and legitimate job, and I wouldn't mind
>>>> doing it myself.
>
>>>  Only because even dunny cleaners are in short supply at the moment
>>> and its a shit of a job so they don't want to do it themselves.
>
>> Some people might like the job because you don't have to deal with
>> other fuckwit people.
>
> More likely that is all they can do.
>

Doesn't matter. If they are happy doing that, then that's all that matters.

It's not for you to denigrate it.

>>>> There might also be some handover in that job,
>>>  Wrong, as always.
>>>
>>>> because the cleaner might know which chemicals and tools to use at
>>>> particular sites,
>>>  All dunnys are the same, stupid.
>>>
>>
>> Wrong. You can use bleach on normal porcelain toilets, but you
>> shouldn't use it on enamelled toilets.
>
> Wrong, as always.
>

Bleach wares away the enamel.

>>>> as well as security cards and keys etc.
>>>  Trivial for your employer to give those to the new dunny cleaner.
>
>> The employee could keep the keys and cards when he resigns and not
>> return them to the employer.  That would be a big headache for the
>> employer.
>
> Nope, trivial to replace them.
>

But then the resigned employee could get access to the sites they used
to clean at.

>>>>>> which will serve them right.

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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 30 Oct 2022 23:47 UTC

On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 10:27:59 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:

> On 31/10/2022 4:15 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 23:04:58 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:
>>
>>> On 30/10/2022 5:29 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 17:06:46 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 30/10/2022 2:08 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 14:04:04 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 30/10/2022 1:46 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 13:09:33 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 30/10/2022 12:32 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Max <max@invalid.address> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Most employment contracts have a clause whereby both the
>>>>>>>>>>> employee and employer can terminate the contract but must give
>>>>>>>>>>> 4 weeks notice.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What happens if an employee resigns but on the same day ceases
>>>>>>>>>>> to go into work?
>>>>>>>>>> Nothing special. They only get paid for the time they did work.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Because they didn't give 4 weeks notice, do they now owe the
>>>>>>>>>>> employer 4 weeks pay?
>>>>>>>>>> Nope, dope.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why does an employee have to give 4 weeks notice then?
>>>>>>>> They don't, its a bluff by the employer and ignorant fools like
>>>>>>>> you are bluffed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not bluffed.
>>>>>> We'll see...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If and when I am sacked, I intend to resign on the spot and walk
>>>>>>> out of the office never to return.
>>>>
>>>>>> And that is precisely what your employer wants, regardless
>>>>>> of what might or might not be in your contract.
>>>>
>>>>> Not necessarily in my job. My employer would be majorly pissed off
>>>>> if I just left suddenly.
>>>>
>>>>> There would need to be some handover of what I have been doing,
>>>>> because without that it might take someone else a long time trying
>>>>> to work things out.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then the employer won't be able to do any hand-over or finalising
>>>>>>> of my work,
>>>>>> And avoid you deliberately fucking things up and stealing their
>>>>>> data etc.
>>>>>> There is no handover or finalising your work with dunny cleaners.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not a dunny cleaner, but I don't know why you would denigrate
>>>>> that job. It is an honest and legitimate job, and I wouldn't mind
>>>>> doing it myself.
>>
>>>> Only because even dunny cleaners are in short supply at the moment
>>>> and its a shit of a job so they don't want to do it themselves.
>>
>>> Some people might like the job because you don't have to deal with
>>> other fuckwit people.

>> More likely that is all they can do.

> Doesn't matter. If they are happy doing that,

I doubt any dunny cleaner does.

> then that's all that matters.

Wrong, as always.

> It's not for you to denigrate it.

Wrong, as always.

>>>>> There might also be some handover in that job,
>>>> Wrong, as always.
>>>>
>>>>> because the cleaner might know which chemicals and tools to use at
>>>>> particular sites,
>>>> All dunnys are the same, stupid.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Wrong. You can use bleach on normal porcelain toilets, but you
>>> shouldn't use it on enamelled toilets.
>> Wrong, as always.
>>
>
> Bleach wares away the enamel.

Wrong, as always.

And even if it did, the new dunny cleaner doesn't need you
to tell them about it, they should know that already and
even if they don't, can google it themselves, stupid.

>>>>> as well as security cards and keys etc.
>>>> Trivial for your employer to give those to the new dunny cleaner.
>>
>>> The employee could keep the keys and cards when he resigns and not
>>> return them to the employer. That would be a big headache for the
>>> employer.
>> Nope, trivial to replace them.
>>
>
> But then the resigned employee could get access to the sites they used
> to clean at.

Not when the employer has the locks and codes changed
as they should do with any sacked employee anyway in case
they have them copied, stupid.

>>>>>>> which will serve them right.

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 by: Max - Mon, 31 Oct 2022 01:10 UTC

On 31/10/2022 10:47 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 10:27:59 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:
>
>> On 31/10/2022 4:15 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 23:04:58 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 30/10/2022 5:29 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 17:06:46 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 30/10/2022 2:08 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 14:04:04 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 30/10/2022 1:46 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 13:09:33 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 30/10/2022 12:32 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Max <max@invalid.address> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Most employment contracts have a clause whereby both the
>>>>>>>>>>>> employee and employer can terminate the contract but must
>>>>>>>>>>>> give 4 weeks notice.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What happens if an employee resigns but on the same day
>>>>>>>>>>>> ceases to go into work?
>>>>>>>>>>>  Nothing special. They only get paid for the time they did work.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Because they didn't give 4 weeks notice, do they now owe the
>>>>>>>>>>>> employer 4 weeks pay?
>>>>>>>>>>>  Nope, dope.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why does an employee have to give 4 weeks notice then?
>>>>>>>>>  They don't, its a bluff by the employer and ignorant fools
>>>>>>>>> like you are bluffed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not bluffed.
>>>>>>>  We'll see...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If and when I am sacked, I intend to resign on the spot and walk
>>>>>>>> out of the office never to return.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>  And that is precisely what your employer wants, regardless
>>>>>>> of what might or might not be in your contract.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Not necessarily in my job.  My employer would be majorly pissed
>>>>>> off if I just left suddenly.
>>>>>
>>>>>> There would need to be some handover of what I have been doing,
>>>>>> because without that it might take someone else a long time trying
>>>>>> to work things out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then the employer won't be able to do any hand-over or
>>>>>>>> finalising of my work,
>>>>>>>  And avoid you deliberately fucking things up and stealing their
>>>>>>> data etc.
>>>>>>>  There is no handover or finalising your work with dunny cleaners.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not a dunny cleaner, but I don't know why you would denigrate
>>>>>> that job.  It is an honest and legitimate job, and I wouldn't mind
>>>>>> doing it myself.
>>>
>>>>>  Only because even dunny cleaners are in short supply at the moment
>>>>> and its a shit of a job so they don't want to do it themselves.
>>>
>>>> Some people might like the job because you don't have to deal with
>>>> other fuckwit people.
>
>>>  More likely that is all they can do.
>
>> Doesn't matter. If they are happy doing that,
>
> I doubt any dunny cleaner does.
>

As I said before, some people would like it because they wouldn't have
to deal with other people.

Some people get quite anxious when they have to interact with others.

>> then that's all that matters.
>
> Wrong, as always.
>
>> It's not for you to denigrate it.
>
> Wrong, as always.
>
>>>>>> There might also be some handover in that job,
>>>>>  Wrong, as always.
>>>>>
>>>>>> because the cleaner might know which chemicals and tools to use at
>>>>>> particular sites,
>>>>>  All dunnys are the same, stupid.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wrong. You can use bleach on normal porcelain toilets, but you
>>>> shouldn't use it on enamelled toilets.
>>>  Wrong, as always.
>>>
>>
>> Bleach wares away the enamel.
>
> Wrong, as always.
>
> And even if it did, the new dunny cleaner doesn't need you
> to tell them about it, they should know that already and
> even if they don't, can google it themselves, stupid.
>

It's just the same as any handover. The new or remaining employees
could work it out themselves but it would be easier if there was a handover.

That's why it's important that employers don't piss employees of when
they sack them. The employer benefits from an amicable handover.

>>>>>> as well as security cards and keys etc.
>>>>>  Trivial for your employer to give those to the new dunny cleaner.
>>>
>>>> The employee could keep the keys and cards when he resigns and not
>>>> return them to the employer.  That would be a big headache for the
>>>> employer.
>>>  Nope, trivial to replace them.
>>>
>>
>> But then the resigned employee could get access to the sites they used
>> to clean at.
>
> Not when the employer has the locks and codes changed
> as they should do with any sacked employee anyway in case
> they have them copied, stupid.
>

That would be quite a hassle and cost for the employer if they had to do
that.

It would be a good way for the sacked employee to get back the employer
for sacking them.

>>>>>>>> which will serve them right.

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 by: Rod Speed - Mon, 31 Oct 2022 02:41 UTC

On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 12:10:18 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:

> On 31/10/2022 10:47 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 10:27:59 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:
>>
>>> On 31/10/2022 4:15 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 23:04:58 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 30/10/2022 5:29 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 17:06:46 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 30/10/2022 2:08 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 14:04:04 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 30/10/2022 1:46 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 13:09:33 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 30/10/2022 12:32 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Max <max@invalid.address> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most employment contracts have a clause whereby both the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> employee and employer can terminate the contract but must
>>>>>>>>>>>>> give 4 weeks notice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What happens if an employee resigns but on the same day
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ceases to go into work?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing special. They only get paid for the time they did
>>>>>>>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because they didn't give 4 weeks notice, do they now owe the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> employer 4 weeks pay?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope, dope.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why does an employee have to give 4 weeks notice then?
>>>>>>>>>> They don't, its a bluff by the employer and ignorant fools
>>>>>>>>>> like you are bluffed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not bluffed.
>>>>>>>> We'll see...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If and when I am sacked, I intend to resign on the spot and walk
>>>>>>>>> out of the office never to return.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And that is precisely what your employer wants, regardless
>>>>>>>> of what might or might not be in your contract.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not necessarily in my job. My employer would be majorly pissed
>>>>>>> off if I just left suddenly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There would need to be some handover of what I have been doing,
>>>>>>> because without that it might take someone else a long time trying
>>>>>>> to work things out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then the employer won't be able to do any hand-over or
>>>>>>>>> finalising of my work,
>>>>>>>> And avoid you deliberately fucking things up and stealing their
>>>>>>>> data etc.
>>>>>>>> There is no handover or finalising your work with dunny cleaners.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not a dunny cleaner, but I don't know why you would denigrate
>>>>>>> that job. It is an honest and legitimate job, and I wouldn't mind
>>>>>>> doing it myself.
>>>>
>>>>>> Only because even dunny cleaners are in short supply at the moment
>>>>>> and its a shit of a job so they don't want to do it themselves.
>>>>
>>>>> Some people might like the job because you don't have to deal with
>>>>> other fuckwit people.
>>
>>>> More likely that is all they can do.
>>
>>> Doesn't matter. If they are happy doing that,

>> I doubt any dunny cleaner does.

> As I said before, some people would like it because they wouldn't have
> to deal with other people.

Plenty of other jobs where you don't have to deal with other
people and you don't have to deal with shit and piss stains.

> Some people get quite anxious when they have to interact with others.

Plenty of other jobs where you don't have to deal with other
people and you don't have to deal with shit and piss stains.

>>> then that's all that matters.
>> Wrong, as always.
>>
>>> It's not for you to denigrate it.
>> Wrong, as always.
>>
>>>>>>> There might also be some handover in that job,
>>>>>> Wrong, as always.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> because the cleaner might know which chemicals and tools to use at
>>>>>>> particular sites,
>>>>>> All dunnys are the same, stupid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Wrong. You can use bleach on normal porcelain toilets, but you
>>>>> shouldn't use it on enamelled toilets.
>>>> Wrong, as always.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Bleach wares away the enamel.
>> Wrong, as always.
>> And even if it did, the new dunny cleaner doesn't need you
>> to tell them about it, they should know that already and
>> even if they don't, can google it themselves, stupid.
>>
>
> It's just the same as any handover.

Wrong, as always, given that anyone can clean a dunny,

> The new or remaining employees could work it out themselves but it would
> be easier if there was a handover.

Wrong, as always, given that anyone can clean a dunny
and the sacked employee isnt the only one that can spell
out the detail of where the dunnys are and how to get to
them,

> That's why it's important that employers don't piss employees of when
> they sack them. The employer benefits from an amicable handover.

Wrong, as always, and not even possible with a sacked bludger like you.

>>>>>>> as well as security cards and keys etc.
>>>>>> Trivial for your employer to give those to the new dunny cleaner.
>>>>
>>>>> The employee could keep the keys and cards when he resigns and not
>>>>> return them to the employer. That would be a big headache for the
>>>>> employer.
>>>> Nope, trivial to replace them.
>>>>
>>>
>>> But then the resigned employee could get access to the sites they used
>>> to clean at.
>> Not when the employer has the locks and codes changed
>> as they should do with any sacked employee anyway in case
>> they have them copied, stupid.
>>
>
> That would be quite a hassle and cost for the employer if they had to do
> that.

But still makes sense if they care about the security.

> It would be a good way for the sacked employee to get back the employer
> for sacking them.

Which is why it makes sense to change the locks and codes, fuckwit.

And with well designed security, even if the sacked bludger
does keep everything, none of it will ever work there again.

>>>>>>>>> which will serve them right.

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 by: Max - Mon, 31 Oct 2022 08:02 UTC

On 31/10/2022 1:41 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 12:10:18 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:
>
>> On 31/10/2022 10:47 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 10:27:59 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 31/10/2022 4:15 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 23:04:58 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 30/10/2022 5:29 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 17:06:46 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 30/10/2022 2:08 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 14:04:04 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 30/10/2022 1:46 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 13:09:33 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 30/10/2022 12:32 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Max <max@invalid.address> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most employment contracts have a clause whereby both the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> employee and employer can terminate the contract but must
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give 4 weeks notice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What happens if an employee resigns but on the same day
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ceases to go into work?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Nothing special. They only get paid for the time they did
>>>>>>>>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because they didn't give 4 weeks notice, do they now owe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the employer 4 weeks pay?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Nope, dope.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why does an employee have to give 4 weeks notice then?
>>>>>>>>>>>  They don't, its a bluff by the employer and ignorant fools
>>>>>>>>>>> like you are bluffed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not bluffed.
>>>>>>>>>  We'll see...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If and when I am sacked, I intend to resign on the spot and
>>>>>>>>>> walk out of the office never to return.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  And that is precisely what your employer wants, regardless
>>>>>>>>> of what might or might not be in your contract.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not necessarily in my job.  My employer would be majorly pissed
>>>>>>>> off if I just left suddenly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There would need to be some handover of what I have been doing,
>>>>>>>> because without that it might take someone else a long time
>>>>>>>> trying to work things out.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Then the employer won't be able to do any hand-over or
>>>>>>>>>> finalising of my work,
>>>>>>>>>  And avoid you deliberately fucking things up and stealing
>>>>>>>>> their data etc.
>>>>>>>>>  There is no handover or finalising your work with dunny cleaners.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am not a dunny cleaner, but I don't know why you would
>>>>>>>> denigrate that job.  It is an honest and legitimate job, and I
>>>>>>>> wouldn't mind doing it myself.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Only because even dunny cleaners are in short supply at the moment
>>>>>>> and its a shit of a job so they don't want to do it themselves.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Some people might like the job because you don't have to deal with
>>>>>> other fuckwit people.
>>>
>>>>>  More likely that is all they can do.
>>>
>>>> Doesn't matter. If they are happy doing that,
>
>>>  I doubt any dunny cleaner does.
>
>> As I said before, some people would like it because they wouldn't have
>> to deal with other people.
>
> Plenty of other jobs where you don't have to deal with other
> people and you don't have to deal with shit and piss stains.
>
>> Some people get quite anxious when they have to interact with others.
>
> Plenty of other jobs where you don't have to deal with other
> people and you don't have to deal with shit and piss stains.
>

Not really, apart from truck driving.

>>>> then that's all that matters.
>>>  Wrong, as always.
>>>
>>>> It's not for you to denigrate it.
>>>  Wrong, as always.
>>>
>>>>>>>> There might also be some handover in that job,
>>>>>>>  Wrong, as always.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> because the cleaner might know which chemicals and tools to use
>>>>>>>> at particular sites,
>>>>>>>  All dunnys are the same, stupid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wrong. You can use bleach on normal porcelain toilets, but you
>>>>>> shouldn't use it on enamelled toilets.
>>>>>  Wrong, as always.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bleach wares away the enamel.
>>>  Wrong, as always.
>>>  And even if it did, the new dunny cleaner doesn't need you
>>> to tell them about it, they should know that already and
>>> even if they don't, can google it themselves, stupid.
>>>
>>
>> It's just the same as any handover.
>
> Wrong, as always, given that anyone can clean a dunny,
>
>> The new or remaining employees could work it out themselves but it
>> would be easier if there was a handover.
>
> Wrong, as always, given that anyone can clean a dunny
> and the sacked employee isnt the only one that can spell
> out the detail of where the dunnys are and how to get to
> them,
>
>> That's why it's important that employers don't piss employees of when
>> they sack them.  The employer benefits from an amicable handover.
>
> Wrong, as always, and not even possible with a sacked bludger like you.
>
>>>>>>>> as well as security cards and keys etc.
>>>>>>>  Trivial for your employer to give those to the new dunny cleaner.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The employee could keep the keys and cards when he resigns and not
>>>>>> return them to the employer.  That would be a big headache for the
>>>>>> employer.
>>>>>  Nope, trivial to replace them.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But then the resigned employee could get access to the sites they
>>>> used to clean at.
>>>  Not when the employer has the locks and codes changed
>>> as they should do with any sacked employee anyway in case
>>> they have them copied, stupid.
>>>
>>
>> That would be quite a hassle and cost for the employer if they had to
>> do that.
>
> But still makes sense if they care about the security.
>
>> It would be a good way for the sacked employee to get back the
>> employer for sacking them.
>
> Which is why it makes sense to change the locks and codes, fuckwit.
>
> And with well designed security, even if the sacked bludger
> does keep everything, none of it will ever work there again.
>

There is no way a cleaner would get sacked anyway, unless they were
doing a bad job, which is unlikely.


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On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 19:02:38 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:

> On 31/10/2022 1:41 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 12:10:18 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:
>>
>>> On 31/10/2022 10:47 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 10:27:59 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 31/10/2022 4:15 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 23:04:58 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 30/10/2022 5:29 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 17:06:46 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 30/10/2022 2:08 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 14:04:04 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 30/10/2022 1:46 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 30 Oct 2022 13:09:33 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 30/10/2022 12:32 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Max <max@invalid.address> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most employment contracts have a clause whereby both the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> employee and employer can terminate the contract but must
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give 4 weeks notice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What happens if an employee resigns but on the same day
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ceases to go into work?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing special. They only get paid for the time they did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because they didn't give 4 weeks notice, do they now owe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the employer 4 weeks pay?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope, dope.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why does an employee have to give 4 weeks notice then?
>>>>>>>>>>>> They don't, its a bluff by the employer and ignorant fools
>>>>>>>>>>>> like you are bluffed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not bluffed.
>>>>>>>>>> We'll see...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If and when I am sacked, I intend to resign on the spot and
>>>>>>>>>>> walk out of the office never to return.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And that is precisely what your employer wants, regardless
>>>>>>>>>> of what might or might not be in your contract.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not necessarily in my job. My employer would be majorly pissed
>>>>>>>>> off if I just left suddenly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There would need to be some handover of what I have been doing,
>>>>>>>>> because without that it might take someone else a long time
>>>>>>>>> trying to work things out.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Then the employer won't be able to do any hand-over or
>>>>>>>>>>> finalising of my work,
>>>>>>>>>> And avoid you deliberately fucking things up and stealing
>>>>>>>>>> their data etc.
>>>>>>>>>> There is no handover or finalising your work with dunny
>>>>>>>>>> cleaners.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am not a dunny cleaner, but I don't know why you would
>>>>>>>>> denigrate that job. It is an honest and legitimate job, and I
>>>>>>>>> wouldn't mind doing it myself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Only because even dunny cleaners are in short supply at the
>>>>>>>> moment
>>>>>>>> and its a shit of a job so they don't want to do it themselves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some people might like the job because you don't have to deal with
>>>>>>> other fuckwit people.
>>>>
>>>>>> More likely that is all they can do.
>>>>
>>>>> Doesn't matter. If they are happy doing that,
>>
>>>> I doubt any dunny cleaner does.
>>
>>> As I said before, some people would like it because they wouldn't have
>>> to deal with other people.
>> Plenty of other jobs where you don't have to deal with other
>> people and you don't have to deal with shit and piss stains.
>>
>>> Some people get quite anxious when they have to interact with others.

>> Plenty of other jobs where you don't have to deal with other
>> people and you don't have to deal with shit and piss stains.

> Not really, apart from truck driving.

Wrong, as always.

>>>>> then that's all that matters.
>>>> Wrong, as always.
>>>>
>>>>> It's not for you to denigrate it.
>>>> Wrong, as always.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There might also be some handover in that job,
>>>>>>>> Wrong, as always.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> because the cleaner might know which chemicals and tools to use
>>>>>>>>> at particular sites,
>>>>>>>> All dunnys are the same, stupid.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wrong. You can use bleach on normal porcelain toilets, but you
>>>>>>> shouldn't use it on enamelled toilets.
>>>>>> Wrong, as always.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bleach wares away the enamel.
>>>> Wrong, as always.
>>>> And even if it did, the new dunny cleaner doesn't need you
>>>> to tell them about it, they should know that already and
>>>> even if they don't, can google it themselves, stupid.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's just the same as any handover.
>> Wrong, as always, given that anyone can clean a dunny,
>>
>>> The new or remaining employees could work it out themselves but it
>>> would be easier if there was a handover.
>> Wrong, as always, given that anyone can clean a dunny
>> and the sacked employee isnt the only one that can spell
>> out the detail of where the dunnys are and how to get to
>> them,
>>
>>> That's why it's important that employers don't piss employees of when
>>> they sack them. The employer benefits from an amicable handover.
>> Wrong, as always, and not even possible with a sacked bludger like you.
>>
>>>>>>>>> as well as security cards and keys etc.
>>>>>>>> Trivial for your employer to give those to the new dunny cleaner.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The employee could keep the keys and cards when he resigns and not
>>>>>>> return them to the employer. That would be a big headache for the
>>>>>>> employer.
>>>>>> Nope, trivial to replace them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But then the resigned employee could get access to the sites they
>>>>> used to clean at.
>>>> Not when the employer has the locks and codes changed
>>>> as they should do with any sacked employee anyway in case
>>>> they have them copied, stupid.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That would be quite a hassle and cost for the employer if they had to
>>> do that.
>> But still makes sense if they care about the security.
>>
>>> It would be a good way for the sacked employee to get back the
>>> employer for sacking them.
>> Which is why it makes sense to change the locks and codes, fuckwit.
>> And with well designed security, even if the sacked bludger
>> does keep everything, none of it will ever work there again.


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Stinking Wog Cunt Max wrote:
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>
> An employer cannot just sack a person because they have stopped liking
> them or they want their mate to have the job.

** ROTFLMAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fucking happens * every day of the week * !!!
Nothing stops such things happening, such bosses *lie like bastards* when queried over their vile decisions.
Regular employees have no protection, a tiny few unionist excepted.

...... Phil

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 by: Max - Tue, 1 Nov 2022 06:43 UTC

On 31/10/2022 10:14 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
> Stinking Wog Cunt Max wrote:
> =========================
>>
>> An employer cannot just sack a person because they have stopped liking
>> them or they want their mate to have the job.
>
> ** ROTFLMAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Fucking happens * every day of the week * !!!
> Nothing stops such things happening, such bosses *lie like bastards* when queried over their vile decisions.
>
> Regular employees have no protection, a tiny few unionist excepted.
>

How can an employee defend themselves against this sort of behaviour?

Surely they can begin an unfair dismissal action?

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 by: Rod Speed - Tue, 1 Nov 2022 18:04 UTC

On Tue, 01 Nov 2022 17:43:34 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:

> On 31/10/2022 10:14 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
>> Stinking Wog Cunt Max wrote:
>> =========================
>>>
>>> An employer cannot just sack a person because they have stopped liking
>>> them or they want their mate to have the job.
>> ** ROTFLMAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> Fucking happens * every day of the week * !!!
>> Nothing stops such things happening, such bosses *lie like bastards*
>> when queried over their vile decisions.

>> Regular employees have no protection, a tiny few unionist excepted.

> How can an employee defend themselves against this sort of behaviour?

Dont piss the boss off so they don't get sacked, stupid.

> Surely they can begin an unfair dismissal action?

But with fuck all chance of succeedings, stupid.

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On 2/11/2022 5:04 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Nov 2022 17:43:34 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:
>
>> On 31/10/2022 10:14 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
>>> Stinking Wog Cunt Max wrote:
>>> =========================
>>>>
>>>> An employer cannot just sack a person because they have stopped liking
>>>> them or they want their mate to have the job.
>>>  **  ROTFLMAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>  Fucking happens * every day of the week *  !!!
>>> Nothing stops such things happening, such bosses *lie like bastards*
>>> when queried over their vile decisions.
>
>>>   Regular employees have no protection, a tiny few unionist excepted.
>
>> How can an employee defend themselves against this sort of behaviour?
>
> Dont piss the boss off so they don't get sacked, stupid.
>

Some people have whatever personality they have. It's not their fault.
They should not get sacked if they are doing a good job.

>> Surely they can begin an unfair dismissal action?
>
> But with fuck all chance of succeedings, stupid.

We'll see. Why do you think there are unfair dismissal laws if there is
no chance of ever succeeding.


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