On 21/01/2022 07:02, Mark Olson wrote:
> wessie <willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:
>> Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote in
>> news:go6jughckaaqlbb2afd9f38aa449csfnl5@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 13:21:26 +0100, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> And the second is to see if he repeated any stories on reddit,
>>>>>>> where he was quite prolific.
>>>>>>> This is his stuff, sorted by upvotes:
>>>>>>> https://old.reddit.com/user/MisterShine/?sort=top
>>>
>>>>>> <clicks> He knew about the poop knife!
>>>
>>>>> The what now?
>>>
>>>> I'm sure you've googled it by now,
>>>
>>> I did, but didn't want to click on any of the links that came up
>>>
>>>> but the fact that you'd never heard
>>>> of it is quite surprising.
>>>
>>> My own personal cultural ignorance never suprises me. There's vast
>>> swathes of human endeavour that I'm ignorant about
>>>
>>>> Anyway
>>>> https://www.originalpoopknife.com/pages/the-story-of-the-poop-knife1
>>>
>>> Oh.
>>>
>>> I guess the world is split into two types of people - those who find
>>> fart/shit/piss gags funny, and those that don't
>>>
>>> I'm in the second camp
>>
>> bummer
>
> LOL
>
> I'm firmly in the "shit/piss isn't funny" camp with Champ.
>
> Farts, you have to be there.
>

So you're a number 2 as well?

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ogden wrote:

> > I guess the world is split into two types of people - those who
> > find fart/shit/piss gags funny, and those that don't
> >
> > I'm in the second camp
>
> Can you pinpoint the exact date your inner 12-year-old died?

I've got a feeling mine is stil running the outer 53 year old.

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Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
> On 21/01/2022 07:02, Mark Olson wrote:
>> wessie <willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:
>>> Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote in
>>> news:go6jughckaaqlbb2afd9f38aa449csfnl5@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 13:21:26 +0100, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> And the second is to see if he repeated any stories on reddit,
>>>>>>>> where he was quite prolific.
>>>>>>>> This is his stuff, sorted by upvotes:
>>>>>>>> https://old.reddit.com/user/MisterShine/?sort=top
>>>>
>>>>>>> <clicks> He knew about the poop knife!
>>>>
>>>>>> The what now?
>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure you've googled it by now,
>>>>
>>>> I did, but didn't want to click on any of the links that came up
>>>>
>>>>> but the fact that you'd never heard
>>>>> of it is quite surprising.
>>>>
>>>> My own personal cultural ignorance never suprises me. There's vast
>>>> swathes of human endeavour that I'm ignorant about
>>>>
>>>>> Anyway
>>>>> https://www.originalpoopknife.com/pages/the-story-of-the-poop-knife1
>>>>
>>>> Oh.
>>>>
>>>> I guess the world is split into two types of people - those who find
>>>> fart/shit/piss gags funny, and those that don't
>>>>
>>>> I'm in the second camp
>>>
>>> bummer
>>
>> LOL
>>
>> I'm firmly in the "shit/piss isn't funny" camp with Champ.
>>
>> Farts, you have to be there.
>>
>
> So you're a number 2 as well?

I am not a number, I am a free man!

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On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 03:01:04 -0800 (PST), ogden <eldaifo@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Champ wrote:
>> I guess the world is split into two types of people - those who find
>> fart/shit/piss gags funny, and those that don't
>> I'm in the second camp

>Can you pinpoint the exact date your inner 12-year-old died?

Yes. I would have been about 8
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On 1/19/2022 3:15 AM, ogden wrote:
>
> R&B is, and has always been, nothing more than a euphemism for whatever "black" music was at the time.
>

Nope. No way. Hip-hop and rap dominate the black music market now, and
some hip-hop artists may have adopted some R&B stylings, but hip-hop and
rap are _not_ R&B.

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On 1/17/2022 10:53 PM, sweller wrote:
> Ace wrote:
>
>> Quite so. And of course the same was true for the taped versions. I
>> still have a ton (or two) of my old cassettes dating back to the
>> 1980s, and quite enjoyed listening to them in the correct fashion in
>> my Landrover,
>
> I have boxes and boxes of tapes - still.
>

This thread got me back to cataloging my music. Not all of it. I still
have boxes of reel-to-reel tapes (both 7" & 10") downstairs and a bunch
of cassettes I made, but the pre-recorded stuff? Around 1000 cassettes,
CDs, and vinyl (33, 45, & 78 rpms.) I've sorted them into 18 genres,
from rock, classical and jazz, to afropop, latin, and New Orleans. It's
a shame I'll probably never listen to most of them again.

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On 24/01/2022 01:36, Turby wrote:
> On 1/19/2022 3:15 AM, ogden wrote:
>>
>> R&B is, and has always been, nothing more than a euphemism for
>> whatever "black" music was at the time.
>>
>
> Nope. No way. Hip-hop and rap dominate the black music market now, and
> some hip-hop artists may have adopted some R&B stylings, but hip-hop and
> rap are _not_ R&B.
>
>

Hmm. I suppose John Mayall (OBE) and his ilk were playing essentially
'black music' back in the 60's. Certainly with 'roots' in the blues.

Genuine question, who first put the R in the B in *British* rhythm and
blues and had that term used about their music?

<Googles>

Opinions differ. Note that Mayall was playing from 1956 and the
Bluesbreakers were formed in 1963.

Alexis Korner, Geno Washington ?

In any case, that was then, not now.

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On 1/23/2022 11:12 PM, Pete Fisher wrote:
>
> Hmm. I suppose John Mayall (OBE) and his ilk were playing essentially
> 'black music' back in the 60's. Certainly with 'roots' in the blues.
>
> Genuine question, who first put the R in the B in *British* rhythm and
> blues and had that term used about their music?
>
> <Googles>
>
> Opinions differ. Note that Mayall was playing from 1956 and the
> Bluesbreakers were formed in 1963.
>
> Alexis Korner, Geno Washington ?
>
> In any case, that was then, not now.
>

IANE (obviously,) but I'd bet Korner, then Mayall.

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On 24/01/2022 19:50, Turby wrote:
> On 1/23/2022 11:12 PM, Pete Fisher wrote:
>>
>> Hmm. I suppose John Mayall (OBE) and his ilk were playing essentially
>> 'black music' back in the 60's. Certainly with 'roots' in the blues.
>>
>> Genuine question, who first put the R in the B in *British* rhythm and
>> blues and had that term used about their music?
>>
>> <Googles>
>>
>> Opinions differ. Note that Mayall was playing from 1956 and the
>> Bluesbreakers were formed in 1963.
>>
>> Alexis Korner, Geno Washington ?
>>
>> In any case, that was then, not now.
>>
>
> IANE (obviously,) but I'd bet Korner, then Mayall.
>
>

Indeed. The days of Emperor Roscoe 'live from the Marquee Club'.

Cool: https://www.emperorrosko.net/

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On 25/01/2022 09:30, Pete Fisher wrote:
> On 24/01/2022 19:50, Turby wrote:
>> On 1/23/2022 11:12 PM, Pete Fisher wrote:
>>>
>>> Hmm. I suppose John Mayall (OBE) and his ilk were playing essentially
>>> 'black music' back in the 60's. Certainly with 'roots' in the blues.
>>>
>>> Genuine question, who first put the R in the B in *British* rhythm
>>> and blues and had that term used about their music?
>>>
>>> <Googles>
>>>
>>> Opinions differ. Note that Mayall was playing from 1956 and the
>>> Bluesbreakers were formed in 1963.
>>>
>>> Alexis Korner, Geno Washington ?
>>>
>>> In any case, that was then, not now.
>>>
>>
>> IANE (obviously,) but I'd bet Korner, then Mayall.
>>
>>
>
> Indeed. The days of Emperor Roscoe 'live from the Marquee Club'.
>
> Cool: https://www.emperorrosko.net/
>
>
>
ROSKO!

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Turby wrote:
> ogden wrote:
> >
> > R&B is, and has always been, nothing more than a euphemism for whatever "black" music was at the time.
>
> Nope.

Don't shoot the messenger.

"The "Rhythm & Blues" term was created to replace the designation "race music," which until then was the standard catch-all phrase used in reference to most music made by Black people at the time. After the "race music" term was deemed offensive, Billboard began using the Rhythm & Blues name that Wexler created."

https://www.liveabout.com/what-is-randb-music-2851217

> No way. Hip-hop and rap dominate the black music market now, and
> some hip-hop artists may have adopted some R&B stylings, but hip-hop and
> rap are _not_ R&B.

Which is why a new euphemism was needed: "Urban".

https://www.theguardian.com/arts/features/story/0,11710,1236375,00.html

On 1/25/2022 2:47 AM, ogden wrote:
> Turby wrote:
>> ogden wrote:
>>>
>>> R&B is, and has always been, nothing more than a euphemism for whatever "black" music was at the time.
>>
>> Nope.
>
> Don't shoot the messenger.
>
> "The "Rhythm & Blues" term was created to replace the designation "race music," which until then was the standard catch-all phrase used in reference to most music made by Black people at the time. After the "race music" term was deemed offensive, Billboard began using the Rhythm & Blues name that Wexler created."
>
> https://www.liveabout.com/what-is-randb-music-2851217
>
That's only one opinion, and even there: "And today, the term can be
used to loosely define most sung African-American urban music, even
though soul and funk can be placed in categories of their own."
"Loosely" and "most" and "urban." That leaves out a lot of black music.
Especially today, where rap and hip-hop are such a large part of it.

>
>> No way. Hip-hop and rap dominate the black music market now, and
>> some hip-hop artists may have adopted some R&B stylings, but hip-hop and
>> rap are _not_ R&B.
>
> Which is why a new euphemism was needed: "Urban".
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/arts/features/story/0,11710,1236375,00.html
>
Rap started as an offshoot of poetry jams, and hip-hop was an attempt to
add some musicality to rap.

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Turby wrote:
> ogden wrote:
> > Turby wrote:
> >> ogden wrote:
> >>>
> >>> R&B is, and has always been, nothing more than a euphemism for whatever "black" music was at the time.
> >>
> >> Nope.
> >
> > Don't shoot the messenger.
> >
> > "The "Rhythm & Blues" term was created to replace the designation "race music," which until then was the standard catch-all phrase used in reference to most music made by Black people at the time. After the "race music" term was deemed offensive, Billboard began using the Rhythm & Blues name that Wexler created."
> >
> > https://www.liveabout.com/what-is-randb-music-2851217
> >
> That's only one opinion

Opinion?

"The term "rhythm and blues," often called "R&B," originated in the 1940s when it replaced "race music" as a general marketing term for all African American music, though it usually referred only to secular, not religious music. The term first appeared in commercial recording in 1948, when RCA Victor records began using "blues and rhythm" music as a descriptor for African American secular songs."
Library of Congress - https://www.loc.gov/collections/songs-of-america/articles-and-essays/musical-styles/popular-songs-of-the-day/rhythm-and-blues/

"rhythm and blues, also called rhythm & blues or R&B, term used for several types of postwar African-American popular music, as well as for some white rock music derived from it. The term was coined by Jerry Wexler in 1947, when he was editing the charts at the trade journal Billboard and found that the record companies issuing Black popular music considered the chart names then in use (Harlem Hit Parade, Sepia, Race) to be demeaning."
Encyclopedia Britannica - https://www.britannica.com/art/rhythm-and-blues

On 1/25/2022 12:34 PM, ogden wrote:
> Turby wrote:
>> ogden wrote:
>>> Turby wrote:
>>>> ogden wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> R&B is, and has always been, nothing more than a euphemism for whatever "black" music was at the time.
>>>>
>>>> Nope.
>>>
>>> Don't shoot the messenger.
>>>
>>> "The "Rhythm & Blues" term was created to replace the designation "race music," which until then was the standard catch-all phrase used in reference to most music made by Black people at the time. After the "race music" term was deemed offensive, Billboard began using the Rhythm & Blues name that Wexler created."
>>>
>>> https://www.liveabout.com/what-is-randb-music-2851217
>>>
>> That's only one opinion
>
> Opinion?
>
> "The term "rhythm and blues," often called "R&B," originated in the 1940s when it replaced "race music" as a general marketing term for all African American music, though it usually referred only to secular, not religious music. The term first appeared in commercial recording in 1948, when RCA Victor records began using "blues and rhythm" music as a descriptor for African American secular songs."
> Library of Congress - https://www.loc.gov/collections/songs-of-america/articles-and-essays/musical-styles/popular-songs-of-the-day/rhythm-and-blues/
>
> "rhythm and blues, also called rhythm & blues or R&B, term used for several types of postwar African-American popular music, as well as for some white rock music derived from it. The term was coined by Jerry Wexler in 1947, when he was editing the charts at the trade journal Billboard and found that the record companies issuing Black popular music considered the chart names then in use (Harlem Hit Parade, Sepia, Race) to be demeaning."
> Encyclopedia Britannica - https://www.britannica.com/art/rhythm-and-blues

I wasn't arguing about the origin of the term or its early history, but
the current definition:

"R&B is ... nothing more than a euphemism for whatever "black" music was
at the time."

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On 25/01/2022 21:22, Turby wrote:
> On 1/25/2022 12:34 PM, ogden wrote:
>> "rhythm and blues, also called rhythm & blues or R&B, term used for
>> several types of postwar African-American popular music, as well as
>> for some white rock music derived from it. The term was coined by
>> Jerry Wexler in 1947, when he was editing the charts at the trade
>> journal Billboard and found that the record companies issuing Black
>> popular music considered the chart names then in use (Harlem Hit
>> Parade, Sepia, Race) to be demeaning."
>> Encyclopedia Britannica - https://www.britannica.com/art/rhythm-and-blues
>
> I wasn't arguing about the origin of the term or its early history, but
> the current definition:
>
> "R&B is ... nothing more than a euphemism for whatever "black" music was
> at the time."

Indeed, today's "R&B" bears no resemblance to what is more generally
meant when people talk of "Rhythm & Blues".
There has been a huge divergence in meaning over the decades of my life
alone...

Chris

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