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* Kathleen Folbigg pardonedSylvia Else
`* Re: Kathleen Folbigg pardonedRod Speed
 +- Re: Kathleen Folbigg pardonedPeter Jason
 `* Re: Kathleen Folbigg pardonedPetzl
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 by: Sylvia Else - Mon, 5 Jun 2023 06:07 UTC

Max didn't feel the need to identify the woman who has been pardoned. It
was Kathleen Folbigg.

Can this please be the last time a woman is convicted of serial killing
her children on the basis of circumstantial evidence?

Sylvia.

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From: rod.spee...@gmail.com (Rod Speed)
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Subject: Re: Kathleen Folbigg pardoned
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 by: Rod Speed - Mon, 5 Jun 2023 16:04 UTC

Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote

> Max didn't feel the need to identify the woman who has been pardoned. It
> was Kathleen Folbigg.

> Can this please be the last time a woman is convicted of serial killing
> her children on the basis of circumstantial evidence?

She wasnt convicted on circumstantial evidence.

And why only women ?

Fact remains, all 4 kids deads.

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From: pj...@jostle.com (Peter Jason)
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Subject: Re: Kathleen Folbigg pardoned
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 by: Peter Jason - Mon, 5 Jun 2023 20:52 UTC

On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 02:04:20 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
>
>> Max didn't feel the need to identify the woman who has been pardoned. It
>> was Kathleen Folbigg.
>
>> Can this please be the last time a woman is convicted of serial killing
>> her children on the basis of circumstantial evidence?
>
>She wasnt convicted on circumstantial evidence.
>
>And why only women ?
>
>Fact remains, all 4 kids deads.

Fact remains, 100,000 foetuses killed every year. Of course they're
not "cute kids".

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Subject: Re: Kathleen Folbigg pardoned
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 by: Petzl - Thu, 8 Jun 2023 01:36 UTC

On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 02:04:20 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
>
>> Max didn't feel the need to identify the woman who has been pardoned. It
>> was Kathleen Folbigg.
>
>> Can this please be the last time a woman is convicted of serial killing
>> her children on the basis of circumstantial evidence?
>
>She wasnt convicted on circumstantial evidence.
>
>And why only women ?
>
>Fact remains, all 4 kids deads.
>
All died from same hereditary genetic defect, which led to doubts
about her guilt!
--
Petzl
Good lawyers know the law
Great lawyers know the judge

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Subject: Re: Kathleen Folbigg pardoned
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 by: Rod Speed - Thu, 8 Jun 2023 06:22 UTC

On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 11:36:38 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 02:04:20 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
>>
>>> Max didn't feel the need to identify the woman who has been pardoned.
>>> It
>>> was Kathleen Folbigg.
>>
>>> Can this please be the last time a woman is convicted of serial killing
>>> her children on the basis of circumstantial evidence?
>>
>> She wasnt convicted on circumstantial evidence.
>>
>> And why only women ?
>>
>> Fact remains, all 4 kids deads.

> All died from same hereditary genetic defect,

We don't know that.

> which led to doubts
> about her guilt!

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Subject: Re: Kathleen Folbigg pardoned
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 by: Petzl - Thu, 8 Jun 2023 06:27 UTC

On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 16:22:18 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 11:36:38 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 02:04:20 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
>>>
>>>> Max didn't feel the need to identify the woman who has been pardoned.
>>>> It
>>>> was Kathleen Folbigg.
>>>
>>>> Can this please be the last time a woman is convicted of serial killing
>>>> her children on the basis of circumstantial evidence?
>>>
>>> She wasnt convicted on circumstantial evidence.
>>>
>>> And why only women ?
>>>
>>> Fact remains, all 4 kids deads.
>
>> All died from same hereditary genetic defect,
>
>We don't know that.
>
This is what is said in media
<https://news.sky.com/story/kathleen-folbigg-daughters-may-have-died-due-to-incredibly-rare-genetic-mutation-as-imprisoned-mum-pardoned-12897085#:~:text=A%20second%20inquiry%2C%20launched%20in,led%20to%20Folbigg%20being%20pardoned.>
https://tinyurl.com/23woab9h
A second inquiry, launched in 2022, provided fresh evidence that
suggested the girls' deaths were caused by a genetic condition. The
condition, now known to be called calmodulinopathy, has led to Folbigg
being pardoned.2 days ago

>> which led to doubts
>> about her guilt!
--
Petzl
Good lawyers know the law
Great lawyers know the judge

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 by: Rod Speed - Thu, 8 Jun 2023 09:35 UTC

On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 16:27:16 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 16:22:18 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 11:36:38 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 02:04:20 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
>>>>
>>>>> Max didn't feel the need to identify the woman who has been pardoned.
>>>>> It
>>>>> was Kathleen Folbigg.
>>>>
>>>>> Can this please be the last time a woman is convicted of serial
>>>>> killing
>>>>> her children on the basis of circumstantial evidence?
>>>>
>>>> She wasnt convicted on circumstantial evidence.
>>>>
>>>> And why only women ?
>>>>
>>>> Fact remains, all 4 kids deads.
>>
>>> All died from same hereditary genetic defect,
>>
>> We don't know that.

> This is what is said in media

Just because some fuckwit journo in some shit rag claims something...

> <https://news.sky.com/story/kathleen-folbigg-daughters-may-have-died-due-to-incredibly-rare-genetic-mutation-as-imprisoned-mum-pardoned-12897085#:~:text=A%20second%20inquiry%2C%20launched%20in,led%20to%20Folbigg%20being%20pardoned.>
> https://tinyurl.com/23woab9h
> A second inquiry, launched in 2022, provided fresh evidence that
> suggested the girls' deaths were caused by a genetic condition. The
> condition, now known to be called calmodulinopathy, has led to Folbigg
> being pardoned.2 days ago

>>> which led to doubts
>>> about her guilt!

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 by: Peter Jason - Fri, 16 Jun 2023 05:50 UTC

deaths were caused by a genetic condition. The
>> condition, now known to be called calmodulinopathy, has led to Folbigg
>> being pardoned.2 days ago
>
>>>> which led to doubts
>>>> about her guilt!

Where will it all end?

Any thug, robbing and bashing, can claim the same, i.e. his actions
caused by a "genetic condition" inherited from his parents!

Perhaps Neandethalopathy? Eh wot?
Or maybe Australopithicity?

And who ranks higher, the victim or the perpetrator? Better to
hang/shoot/poison/strangle the crim and remove his "genetic condition"
from the gene pool.

Calmodulinopathy? WHF is that? Have the descendents and ancestors
of this woman been screened for this "Calmodulinopathy"? Have these
latter worthies been proscribed from breeding? Are we to be
threatened in the future by these crazies? Wait for it; more pics of
cute kids & weeping women coming our way!

Bah!

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 by: Rod Speed - Fri, 16 Jun 2023 17:14 UTC

Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote

>>> deaths were caused by a genetic condition.

That isnt clear at all. It was only the two girls that
had the genetic condition and it isnt at all clear
that that is what actually caused their deaths.

>>> The
>>> condition, now known to be called calmodulinopathy, has led to Folbigg
>>> being pardoned.2 days ago

>>>>> which led to doubts about her guilt!

> Where will it all end?

No one knows.

> Any thug, robbing and bashing, can claim the same, i.e. his actions
> caused by a "genetic condition" inherited from his parents!

Nope.

> Perhaps Neandethalopathy? Eh wot?
> Or maybe Australopithicity?

> And who ranks higher, the victim or the perpetrator? Better to
> hang/shoot/poison/strangle the crim and remove his "genetic condition"
> from the gene pool.

> Calmodulinopathy? WHF is that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calmodulin
the opathy bit just means a problem with that.

> Have the descendents and ancestors
> of this woman been screened for this "Calmodulinopathy"?

Yes, the 4 dead kids have.

> Have these
> latter worthies been proscribed from breeding?

No one ever is.

> Are we to be
> threatened in the future by these crazies?

Only their kids may be.

> Wait for it; more pics of
> cute kids & weeping women coming our way!

> Bah!

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 by: Phil Allison - Sat, 17 Jun 2023 06:14 UTC

Peter Jason wrote:
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>
> Any thug, robbing and bashing, can claim the same, i.e. his actions
> caused by a "genetic condition" inherited from his parents!

** Absurd drivel.
New medical evidence created "reasonable doubt " that there was ANY human intervention involved in the deaths.
No criminal act = no crime.

.... Phil

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Subject: Re: Kathleen Folbigg pardoned
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 by: Rod Speed - Sat, 17 Jun 2023 17:29 UTC

Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
> Peter Jason wrote

>> Any thug, robbing and bashing, can claim the same, i.e. his actions
>> caused by a "genetic condition" inherited from his parents!

> Absurd drivel.

Your sig is sposed to be last, with a line with just -- on it in front of
it.

> New medical evidence created "reasonable doubt " that there was ANY
> human intervention involved in the deaths.

BULLSHIT given that neither of the two boys had the genetic problem.

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 by: Phil Allison - Sun, 18 Jun 2023 05:23 UTC

Rod Speed wrote:
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> Phil Allison
>
> > Peter Jason wrote
> >> Any thug, robbing and bashing, can claim the same, i.e. his actions
> >> caused by a "genetic condition" inherited from his parents!
> > Absurd drivel.
>
> > New medical evidence created "reasonable doubt " that there was ANY
> > human intervention involved in the deaths.
>
> BULLSHIT given that neither of the two boys had the genetic problem.

** Irrelevant to the point being made.

FYI:

Both baby boys had serious medical conditions that could easily have killed them in a similar way to the girls.

........ Phil

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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 18 Jun 2023 09:33 UTC

Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Phil Allison
>>> Peter Jason wrote

>>>> Any thug, robbing and bashing, can claim the same, i.e. his actions
>>>> caused by a "genetic condition" inherited from his parents!

>>> Absurd drivel.

Yes, yours is.

>>> New medical evidence created "reasonable doubt " that there was ANY
>>> human intervention involved in the deaths.

>> BULLSHIT given that neither of the two boys had the genetic problem.

> Irrelevant to the point being made.

BULLSHIT given that she ended up with ALL
FOUR kids dead and the boys didnt have the
genetic problem and what she had in her diary.

> FYI:

> Both baby boys had serious medical conditions that could easily have
> killed them in a similar way to the girls.

BULLSHIT

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Rod Speed wrote:
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>
> >>> New medical evidence created "reasonable doubt " that there was ANY
> >>> human intervention involved in the deaths.
>
> >> BULLSHIT given that neither of the two boys had the genetic problem.
>
> > Irrelevant to the point being made.
>
> BULLSHIT

** Rod cannot see the point at all.


> > Both baby boys had serious medical conditions that could easily have
> > killed them in a similar way to the girls.
> BULLSHIT

** See the wiki on Kathleen Folbigg.

..... Phil

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 by: Rod Speed - Mon, 19 Jun 2023 06:06 UTC

Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>> >>> New medical evidence created "reasonable doubt " that there was ANY
>> >>> human intervention involved in the deaths.

>> >> BULLSHIT given that neither of the two boys had the genetic problem.

>> > Irrelevant to the point being made.

>> BULLSHIT

> Rod cannot see the point at all.

You never had a point.

>> > Both baby boys had serious medical conditions that could easily have
>> > killed them in a similar way to the girls.

>> BULLSHIT

> See the wiki on Kathleen Folbigg.

BULLSHIT.

Have fun explaining how ALL FOUR died.

Never happened ever before due to serious medical conditions so young

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Rod Speed wrote:
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> >> BULLSHIT
> > See the wiki on Kathleen Folbigg.
> BULLSHIT.
>
> Have fun explaining how ALL FOUR died.

** You can have " fun " proving Mrs Folbigg was legally responsible, with no doubt, for any of the deaths - let alone all four.

..... Phil

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 by: Rod Speed - Tue, 20 Jun 2023 09:10 UTC

Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote:

>> Have fun explaining how ALL FOUR died.

> You can have " fun " proving Mrs Folbigg was legally responsible, with
> no doubt, for any of the deaths - let alone all four.

The trial did just that.

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 by: Max - Sat, 1 Jul 2023 12:08 UTC

On 20/06/2023 6:53 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
> -------------------------
>>
>>>> BULLSHIT
>>> See the wiki on Kathleen Folbigg.
>> BULLSHIT.
>>
>> Have fun explaining how ALL FOUR died.
>
> ** You can have " fun " proving Mrs Folbigg was legally responsible, with no doubt, for any of the deaths - let alone all four.
>

Quite often people are convicted for crimes without their being direct
evidence.

Juries and judges deduce what has happened from the whole of the
available evidence, even if it is circumstantial evidence.


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