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From: NemoN...@hotmail.co.uk (Jenny M Benson)
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 by: Jenny M Benson - Sat, 30 Apr 2022 15:48 UTC

I was amazed, somewhat shocked and angry, when a woman was being
interviewed on the television during a piece about the rising cost of
fuel and she said something along the lines of "why should I have to put
a cardigan on to keep warm in the house?"

Now I have just read a news item which included a woman saying that
"getting food from the food bank was saving her about £100 a week" and
without it she would often not be able to provide food for the family.
The family comprised her, her husband and a baby (under a year old, I
think.)

Is £100 per week for food REASONABLE for such a family? I'm inclined to
think not but perhaps I am quite wrong.

My only income is Pension Credit so I am, perhaps, better off than some
but a lot worse off than many. I manage to feed and clothe myself
adequately, I "go out" very little and I don't go away on holiday, but I
do keep pets and maintain a tiny "garden" which is nearly all pots. I
don't feel I am particularly disadvantaged.
--
Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK

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 by: steve hague - Sat, 30 Apr 2022 16:39 UTC

On 30/04/2022 16:48, Jenny M Benson wrote:
> I was amazed, somewhat shocked and angry, when a woman was being
> interviewed on the television during a piece about the rising cost of
> fuel and she said something along the lines of "why should I have to put
> a cardigan on to keep warm in the house?"
>
> Now I have just read a news item which included a woman saying that
> "getting food from the food bank was saving her about £100 a week" and
> without it she would often not be able to provide food for the family.
> The family comprised her, her husband and a baby (under a year old, I
> think.)
>
> Is £100 per week for food REASONABLE for such a family?  I'm inclined to
> think not but perhaps I am quite wrong.
>
> My only income is Pension Credit so I am, perhaps, better off than some
> but a lot worse off than many.  I manage to feed and clothe myself
> adequately, I "go out" very little and I don't go away on holiday, but I
> do keep pets and maintain a tiny "garden" which is nearly all pots.  I
> don't feel I am particularly disadvantaged.

I suppose it could be down to expectations, which sometimes have no
connection with reality. £100 for food in a week seems exorbitant. Are
they living on take-aways and feeding the baby on caviar? But it could
be that they struggle to keep a roof over their heads, rents being what
they are and mortgages not easily available. When Maggie and I first got
together, we lived on my wages, and saved hers. After about four years
we had enough for a deposit on a house. I doubt that would be feasible
today for most couples, both incomes would be needed just to get by.
Steve

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 by: J. P. Gilliver (John - Sat, 30 Apr 2022 17:01 UTC

On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 at 16:48:51, Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk>
wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>I was amazed, somewhat shocked and angry, when a woman was being
>interviewed on the television during a piece about the rising cost of
>fuel and she said something along the lines of "why should I have to
>put a cardigan on to keep warm in the house?"

I put on more layers when cold, certainly.
>
>Now I have just read a news item which included a woman saying that
>"getting food from the food bank was saving her about £100 a week" and
>without it she would often not be able to provide food for the family.
>The family comprised her, her husband and a baby (under a year old, I
>think.)
>
>Is £100 per week for food REASONABLE for such a family? I'm inclined
>to think not but perhaps I am quite wrong.

I shop about once a fortnight, and - at present - think I've been (a
bit) extravagant if it comes to over 70. That's just me, so 35 per
person per week (why do I feel like Stanley Holloway?), but I buy a lot
of ready meals and other what I presume many here would say are
lazy-thus-expensive food, and snacks and things beyond the necessary.

OK, a baby might involve expenses I wouldn't think of, but still, for
two adults and a baby, 100 a week does _sound_ rather excessive.
>
>My only income is Pension Credit so I am, perhaps, better off than some
>but a lot worse off than many. I manage to feed and clothe myself
>adequately, I "go out" very little and I don't go away on holiday, but
>I do keep pets and maintain a tiny "garden" which is nearly all pots. I
>don't feel I am particularly disadvantaged.

I'm living on savings, and my "going out" is a McDonalds or similar when
I do the fortnightly shop. I haven't been out of the country for
decades, and don't holiday, except twice a year visiting friends in
England (holidays are better if you have someone to share them with*). I
hate gardening. I certainly don't feel disadvantaged.

* I'm quite content, in case anyone thinks that sounds otherwise.

One thing in shopping that amazes me is the range in bacon: I buy
"cooking bacon", which most of the supermarkets sell (certainly Asda,
Sains, and M [though not Aldi/Lidl]), which is ridiculously cheap: I
usually get at least two or three meals out of a pack (often in effect a
gammon steak or two). The pack in my 'fridge at the moment is 750g, 1.49
(M). But I look at the other sorts on the shelf, and the range goes up
to - well, the most expensive is little cubes (are they called
"lardons"?), which seem to be about 7 to 12 pounds a kilo! I understand
maybe people don't want to buy cooking bacon as it can be pot luck what
you get (I select, but those buying for home delivery can't), but still,
one of the other varieties, then cutting it into cubes yourself - OK, I
don't like any cooking activity, but for that price ...
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

But this can only happen if we replace the urge to blame with the urge to
learn so that it is safe for staff to admit errors and raise concerns without
the fear of being punished.
- Former MI5 boss Eliza Manningham-Buller, RT 2016/5/7-13

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 by: Sid Nuncius - Sat, 30 Apr 2022 18:36 UTC

On 30/04/2022 16:48, Jenny M Benson wrote:
> I was amazed, somewhat shocked and angry, when a woman was being
> interviewed on the television during a piece about the rising cost of
> fuel and she said something along the lines of "why should I have to put
> a cardigan on to keep warm in the house?"

I think a lot of people's expectations about use of energy in all sorts
of ways will need to change. I'm not sympathetic to indignation over
wearing an extra layer indoors - if you're still comfortable, so what?
(Personally, I prefer an indoor temperature which is comfortable when
wearing a jumper.) The people I do feel for very much are those who
can't afford to heat their homes at all, or only to heat them so
inadequately that they are permanently cold.

Similarly, I've heard people complaining about things like having to
save up laundry to do a large load every few days rather than put a few
things in the washing machine every day - as if this were a gross
infringement of a basic human right. ISTM it's the sensible,
responsible thing to do anyway if you can. (I accept, of course, that in
many families laundry every day is necessary - but with full loads.)

There are a lot of people in real hardship at the moment, who genuinely
cannot afford sufficient energy and food for the basics of a decent
life. I really don't think that interviewing people who invite sympathy
over having to make minor, often sensible, changes to the way they live
is the point right now.

--
Sid
(Make sure Matron is away when you reply)

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 by: Sam Plusnet - Sat, 30 Apr 2022 20:37 UTC

On 30-Apr-22 19:36, Sid Nuncius wrote:
> On 30/04/2022 16:48, Jenny M Benson wrote:
>> I was amazed, somewhat shocked and angry, when a woman was being
>> interviewed on the television during a piece about the rising cost of
>> fuel and she said something along the lines of "why should I have to
>> put a cardigan on to keep warm in the house?"
>
> I think a lot of people's expectations about use of energy in all sorts
> of ways will need to change.  I'm not sympathetic to indignation over
> wearing an extra layer indoors - if you're still comfortable, so what?
> (Personally, I prefer an indoor temperature which is comfortable when
> wearing a jumper.)  The people I do feel for very much are those who
> can't afford to heat their homes at all, or only to heat them so
> inadequately that they are permanently cold.
>
> Similarly, I've heard people complaining about things like having to
> save up laundry to do a large load every few days rather than put a few
> things in the washing machine every day - as if this were a gross
> infringement of a basic human right.  ISTM it's the sensible,
> responsible thing to do anyway if you can. (I accept, of course, that in
> many families laundry every day is necessary - but with full loads.)
>
> There are a lot of people in real hardship at the moment, who genuinely
> cannot afford sufficient energy and food for the basics of a decent
> life.  I really don't think that interviewing people who invite sympathy
> over having to make minor, often sensible, changes to the way they live
> is the point right now.

It's all true, but people always start with what is 'normal' for them.
Now large numbers of people are finding out that their income does not
stretch as far as it once did.

Having seen it before, umrats will know how to manage, but there are so
many people today who have never experienced (e.g.) high inflation, and
don't have the skills to deal with it.

--
Sam Plusnet

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 by: J. P. Gilliver (John - Sat, 30 Apr 2022 21:04 UTC

On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 at 21:37:37, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote (my
responses usually FOLLOW):
>On 30-Apr-22 19:36, Sid Nuncius wrote:
[]
>> There are a lot of people in real hardship at the moment, who
>>genuinely cannot afford sufficient energy and food for the basics of
>>a decent life.  I really don't think that interviewing people who
>>invite sympathy over having to make minor, often sensible, changes to
>>the way they live is the point right now.

But equally, I on the whole don't want _ever_ to see people who are
genuinely on the breadline interviewed, unless there is a _very_ good
reason: I don't just mean for my own comfort - yes, it is uncomfortable
seeing such, but I probably _ought_ to be subjected to such discomfort -
but I think _informed consent_ is rarely obtained (or even
obtain_able_), and thus these people are being exploited. (Similarly,
sadly, at the moment, the recently bereaved in/from Ukraine.)

(Especially if one of the multitudinous variations on "how do you feel"
- including, in this case, "about Russia(ns)" - is used. I feel quite
violent towards the reporters in such cases; more seriously, I think
serious fines and disciplinary action should be given to reporter,
editor, and company where this is asked.)
>
>It's all true, but people always start with what is 'normal' for them.
>Now large numbers of people are finding out that their income does not
>stretch as far as it once did.
>
>Having seen it before, umrats will know how to manage, but there are so
>many people today who have never experienced (e.g.) high inflation, and
>don't have the skills to deal with it.
>
True. Though more than a very little such interviewing is just lazy
programming - it's so easy and predictable that it serves little
purpose.
>
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Santa's elves are just a bunch of subordinate Clauses.

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 by: Penny - Sun, 1 May 2022 08:37 UTC

On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 18:01:14 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> scrawled in the dust...

>On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 at 16:48:51, Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk>
>wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>>I was amazed, somewhat shocked and angry, when a woman was being
>>interviewed on the television during a piece about the rising cost of
>>fuel and she said something along the lines of "why should I have to
>>put a cardigan on to keep warm in the house?"
>
>I put on more layers when cold, certainly.

Adding a layer when sitting down indoors is surely 'normal'.

>>Now I have just read a news item which included a woman saying that
>>"getting food from the food bank was saving her about £100 a week" and
>>without it she would often not be able to provide food for the family.
>>The family comprised her, her husband and a baby (under a year old, I
>>think.)
>>
>>Is £100 per week for food REASONABLE for such a family? I'm inclined
>>to think not but perhaps I am quite wrong.
>
>I shop about once a fortnight, and - at present - think I've been (a
>bit) extravagant if it comes to over 70. That's just me, so 35 per
>person per week (why do I feel like Stanley Holloway?), but I buy a lot
>of ready meals and other what I presume many here would say are
>lazy-thus-expensive food, and snacks and things beyond the necessary.

I shop fortnightly too but mostly batch cook my own 'ready meals' for the
freezer. Shop bought tend to have too much pepper for my taste, though I
buy them occasionally. My grocery bill is rarely more than £25, unless I
have a coupon for spending more, when I stock up on cupboard stuff or
non-grocery items.

>OK, a baby might involve expenses I wouldn't think of, but still, for
>two adults and a baby, 100 a week does _sound_ rather excessive.

Maybe it includes alcohol, they won't get that from the food bank. In fact
if she only bought the items provided by the food bank she'd probably save
a lot.

--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

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 by: Vicky - Sun, 1 May 2022 09:27 UTC

On Sun, 01 May 2022 09:37:25 +0100, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 18:01:14 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
><G6JPG@255soft.uk> scrawled in the dust...
>
>>On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 at 16:48:51, Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk>
>>wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>>>I was amazed, somewhat shocked and angry, when a woman was being
>>>interviewed on the television during a piece about the rising cost of
>>>fuel and she said something along the lines of "why should I have to
>>>put a cardigan on to keep warm in the house?"
>>
>>I put on more layers when cold, certainly.
>
>Adding a layer when sitting down indoors is surely 'normal'.
>
>>>Now I have just read a news item which included a woman saying that
>>>"getting food from the food bank was saving her about £100 a week" and
>>>without it she would often not be able to provide food for the family.
>>>The family comprised her, her husband and a baby (under a year old, I
>>>think.)
>>>
>>>Is £100 per week for food REASONABLE for such a family? I'm inclined
>>>to think not but perhaps I am quite wrong.
>>
>>I shop about once a fortnight, and - at present - think I've been (a
>>bit) extravagant if it comes to over 70. That's just me, so 35 per
>>person per week (why do I feel like Stanley Holloway?), but I buy a lot
>>of ready meals and other what I presume many here would say are
>>lazy-thus-expensive food, and snacks and things beyond the necessary.
>
>I shop fortnightly too but mostly batch cook my own 'ready meals' for the
>freezer. Shop bought tend to have too much pepper for my taste, though I
>buy them occasionally. My grocery bill is rarely more than £25, unless I
>have a coupon for spending more, when I stock up on cupboard stuff or
>non-grocery items.
>
>>OK, a baby might involve expenses I wouldn't think of, but still, for
>>two adults and a baby, 100 a week does _sound_ rather excessive.
>
>Maybe it includes alcohol, they won't get that from the food bank. In fact
>if she only bought the items provided by the food bank she'd probably save
>a lot.

Possibly includes diposable nappies? People use those now, not terry
ones. Terry costs at the outset but then not to buy,but laundry costs
too, fuel and soap for the machine. Most probably have washing
machines.

Our bulb fuel bill is now huge. I have been unable in 4 years with
bulb to get a real idea of average monthly use of gas and electricity
as they estimated often even when we sent readings. I will post if I
can separately to show how incomprehensible it is

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 by: BrritSki - Sun, 1 May 2022 11:12 UTC

On 01/05/2022 10:27, Vicky wrote:
>
> Our bulb fuel bill is now huge. I have been unable in 4 years with
> bulb to get a real idea of average monthly use of gas and electricity
> as they estimated often even when we sent readings. I will post if I
> can separately to show how incomprehensible it is

Did you not keep a record of the meter readings ?

You should get emails from Bulb when they receive your meter readings
and then the statements show whether it was an estimate or a customer
reading.

Stick it all in a spreadsheet and Bob's your TrAuntie.

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 by: Vicky - Sun, 1 May 2022 11:28 UTC

On Sun, 1 May 2022 12:12:32 +0100, BrritSki
<rtilburyTAKEAWAY@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 01/05/2022 10:27, Vicky wrote:
>>
>> Our bulb fuel bill is now huge. I have been unable in 4 years with
>> bulb to get a real idea of average monthly use of gas and electricity
>> as they estimated often even when we sent readings. I will post if I
>> can separately to show how incomprehensible it is
>
>Did you not keep a record of the meter readings ?
>
>You should get emails from Bulb when they receive your meter readings
>and then the statements show whether it was an estimate or a customer
>reading.
>
>Stick it all in a spreadsheet and Bob's your TrAuntie.

If I could do spreadsheets...

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 by: BrritSki - Sun, 1 May 2022 12:24 UTC

On 01/05/2022 12:28, Vicky wrote:
> On Sun, 1 May 2022 12:12:32 +0100, BrritSki
> <rtilburyTAKEAWAY@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 01/05/2022 10:27, Vicky wrote:
>>>
>>> Our bulb fuel bill is now huge. I have been unable in 4 years with
>>> bulb to get a real idea of average monthly use of gas and electricity
>>> as they estimated often even when we sent readings. I will post if I
>>> can separately to show how incomprehensible it is
>>
>> Did you not keep a record of the meter readings ?
>>
>> You should get emails from Bulb when they receive your meter readings
>> and then the statements show whether it was an estimate or a customer
>> reading.
>>
>> Stick it all in a spreadsheet and Bob's your TrAuntie.
>
> If I could do spreadsheets...

Well do it on paper then if you have the meter readings...

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 by: J. P. Gilliver (John - Sun, 1 May 2022 12:32 UTC

On Sun, 1 May 2022 at 10:27:53, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com> wrote (my
responses usually FOLLOW):
>On Sun, 01 May 2022 09:37:25 +0100, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 18:01:14 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
>><G6JPG@255soft.uk> scrawled in the dust...
>>
>>>On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 at 16:48:51, Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk>
>>>wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
[]
>>>>The family comprised her, her husband and a baby (under a year old, I
>>>>think.)
>>>>
>>>>Is £100 per week for food REASONABLE for such a family? I'm inclined
>>>>to think not but perhaps I am quite wrong.
>>>
>>>I shop about once a fortnight, and - at present - think I've been (a
>>>bit) extravagant if it comes to over 70. That's just me, so 35 per
[]
>>I shop fortnightly too but mostly batch cook my own 'ready meals' for the

Ah, I dislike cooking about as much as I dislike gardening (or most
other chores), so that's my "luxury", I guess ...
[]
>>>two adults and a baby, 100 a week does _sound_ rather excessive.
>>
>>Maybe it includes alcohol, they won't get that from the food bank. In fact

.... But then I never* buy alcohol, other than Christmas presents for
others. I'm not teetotal nor puritanical** - I just don't like the taste
of any beer or spirit (and wine not enough to get through a bottle
before it deteriorates [plus it's very hard to _find_ a Spätlese or
Auslese in an England supermarket]), so it just doesn't _occur_ to me to
buy any.

* OK, I bought some apricot liqueur at some point in the last 15 years.
(I have a capful very occasionally. It's nearly finished.)

** Actually, I _do_ get a bit puritanical when I see drunken behaviour,
but it's an aspect of British and western generally) life I accept, like
the gambling industry - and like I expect others to accept the TV
licence.

>>if she only bought the items provided by the food bank she'd probably save
>>a lot.
>
>Possibly includes diposable nappies? People use those now, not terry
>ones. Terry costs at the outset but then not to buy,but laundry costs
>too, fuel and soap for the machine. Most probably have washing
>machines.

Hmm, I'd consider that (disposable nappies) an acceptable aspect of
modern civilised living (quite apart from the energy costs of terrys).
>
>Our bulb fuel bill is now huge. I have been unable in 4 years with
>bulb to get a real idea of average monthly use of gas and electricity
>as they estimated often even when we sent readings. I will post if I
>can separately to show how incomprehensible it is

Ignore the bills, and work out your consumption from your readings. I'm
not sure an average _monthly_ cost is that meaningful anyway, as it's
going to vary significantly from summer to winter (I assume you heat by
gas); a _yearly_ average is more meaningful, for a given house and
household.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Diplomacy is the art of letting someone have your way.

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 by: Penny - Sun, 1 May 2022 13:10 UTC

On Sun, 01 May 2022 10:27:53 +0100, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com> scrawled
in the dust...

>Our bulb fuel bill is now huge. I have been unable in 4 years with
>bulb to get a real idea of average monthly use of gas and electricity
>as they estimated often even when we sent readings. I will post if I
>can separately to show how incomprehensible it is

Unless you send in the readings on the billing day, the bill will always
show as estimated but the estimate should be based upon the reading you
sent. In fact, without checking, I think those readings I sent when my
smart meter was failing to report electricity use, appeared on the bill, as
well as the estimate based upon them.

A fairly (or unfairly) large amount of current billing is because they put
the daily charges up, along with the rise in energy prices. I have yet to
hear a reasoned explanation of that rise.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

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 by: J. P. Gilliver (John - Sun, 1 May 2022 13:43 UTC

On Sun, 1 May 2022 at 14:10:22, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> wrote
(my responses usually FOLLOW):
[]
>A fairly (or unfairly) large amount of current billing is because they put
>the daily charges up, along with the rise in energy prices. I have yet to
>hear a reasoned explanation of that rise.

One of the main reasons given is that the remaining companies had to
take on the customers (each of whom they have to sell energy to at a
loss) of the companies that had folded - and the daily (or standing)
charge is the only thing they could increase. That _ought_ to then
reduce again assuming the number of companies doesn't shrink further,
but almost certainly won't, giving the lie to that - but the cap even
raised will still be less than they're paying, so we'll have to wait (I
suspect at least a year) for things to settle.

I raise my cap to you all ... (-:
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

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 by: BrritSki - Sun, 1 May 2022 13:53 UTC

On 01/05/2022 14:10, Penny wrote:
> On Sun, 01 May 2022 10:27:53 +0100, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com> scrawled
> in the dust...
>
>> Our bulb fuel bill is now huge. I have been unable in 4 years with
>> bulb to get a real idea of average monthly use of gas and electricity
>> as they estimated often even when we sent readings. I will post if I
>> can separately to show how incomprehensible it is
>
> Unless you send in the readings on the billing day, the bill will always
> show as estimated but the estimate should be based upon the reading you
> sent.

That is not what Bulb do. I have been a Bulb customer for 3 years now
and I have had no problems with them [1].

They send you an email just before the statement date and if you send in
the meter readings in the next 3 days those are what they use when
calculating the bill as shown in my cut-n-paste statement excerpts
elsewhere to Vicky.

[1] Until this month when there was a phantom reading for the 1st April
which was not sent by me (we were in Venice). It didn't make any
difference to the bill as the estimate was in line with my actual
reading 4 days before. I asked for an explanation and they apologised an
recalculated the bill, but it was the same as they had used the actual
readings on both bills. SO i've asked again who generated the phantom
reading and I'm still waiting for a reply.

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 by: krw - Sun, 1 May 2022 15:35 UTC

On 1.5.22 14:53, BrritSki wrote:
> On 01/05/2022 14:10, Penny wrote:
>> On Sun, 01 May 2022 10:27:53 +0100, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com>
>> scrawled
>> in the dust...
>>
>>> Our bulb fuel bill is now huge. I have been unable in 4 years with
>>> bulb to get a real idea of average monthly use of gas and electricity
>>> as they estimated often even when we sent readings. I will post if I
>>> can separately to show how incomprehensible it is
>>
>> Unless you send in the readings on the billing day, the bill will always
>> show as estimated but the estimate should be based upon the reading you
>> sent.
>
> That is not what Bulb do. I have been a Bulb customer for 3 years now
> and I have had no problems with them [1].
>
> They send you an email just before the statement date and if you send in
> the meter readings in the next 3 days those are what they use when
> calculating the bill as shown in my cut-n-paste statement excerpts
> elsewhere to Vicky.
>
> [1] Until this month when there was a phantom reading for the 1st April
> which was not sent by me (we were in Venice). It didn't make any
> difference to the bill as the estimate was in line with my actual
> reading 4 days before. I asked for an explanation and they apologised an
> recalculated the bill, but it was the same as they had used the actual
> readings on both bills. SO i've asked again who generated the phantom
> reading and I'm still waiting for a reply.

Perhaps a meter reader read the meters?

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

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 by: Mike McMillan - Sun, 1 May 2022 15:59 UTC

Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 01 May 2022 10:27:53 +0100, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com> scrawled
> in the dust...
>
>> Our bulb fuel bill is now huge. I have been unable in 4 years with
>> bulb to get a real idea of average monthly use of gas and electricity
>> as they estimated often even when we sent readings. I will post if I
>> can separately to show how incomprehensible it is
>
> Unless you send in the readings on the billing day, the bill will always
> show as estimated but the estimate should be based upon the reading you
> sent. In fact, without checking, I think those readings I sent when my
> smart meter was failing to report electricity use, appeared on the bill, as
> well as the estimate based upon them.
>
> A fairly (or unfairly) large amount of current billing is because they put
> the daily charges up, along with the rise in energy prices. I have yet to
> hear a reasoned explanation of that rise.

I am told that the whopping gert increase in standing charges is to cover
the cost of all the bills unpaid to the now ex-energy companies who folded.

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

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 by: BrritSki - Sun, 1 May 2022 16:07 UTC

On 01/05/2022 16:35, krw wrote:
> On 1.5.22 14:53, BrritSki wrote:
>>
>> ... Until this month when there was a phantom reading for the 1st
>> April which was not sent by me (we were in Venice). It didn't make any
>> difference to the bill as the estimate was in line with my actual
>> reading 4 days before. I asked for an explanation and they apologised
>> an recalculated the bill, but it was the same as they had used the
>> actual readings on both bills. SO i've asked again who generated the
>> phantom reading and I'm still waiting for a reply.
>
> Perhaps a meter reader read the meters?
>
Nope, the meter is locked in the garage and we do not have a smart meter
(and never will if I have anything to do with it).

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BrritSki <rtilburyTAKEAWAY@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 01/05/2022 16:35, krw wrote:
>> On 1.5.22 14:53, BrritSki wrote:
>>>
>>> ... Until this month when there was a phantom reading for the 1st
>>> April which was not sent by me (we were in Venice). It didn't make any
>>> difference to the bill as the estimate was in line with my actual
>>> reading 4 days before. I asked for an explanation and they apologised
>>> an recalculated the bill, but it was the same as they had used the
>>> actual readings on both bills. SO i've asked again who generated the
>>> phantom reading and I'm still waiting for a reply.
>>
>> Perhaps a meter reader read the meters?
>>
> Nope, the meter is locked in the garage and we do not have a smart meter
> (and never will if I have anything to do with it).
>

‘Locked in the garage’? Don’t you ever let it have a day out?

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

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 by: Vicky - Sun, 1 May 2022 17:18 UTC

On Sun, 1 May 2022 16:35:50 +0100, krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:

>Perhaps a meter reader read the meters?

They are supposed to do that for us 4 times a year. They do some
readings. They sometimes call, do the inside the porch electric and go
away not doing the out the front gas.

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On Sun, 1 May 2022 at 16:15:33, Mike McMillan
<toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>BrritSki <rtilburyTAKEAWAY@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 01/05/2022 16:35, krw wrote:
[]
>>> Perhaps a meter reader read the meters?

I was going to say that seems likely; around the time of the change in
cap, someone read mine (he actually knocked at the door to ask where it
was, as the lavender has hidden the cover!) - first time I've (knowingly
- it _is_ outside, so they might have) had it read for, I think, several
years. But ...
>>>
>> Nope, the meter is locked in the garage and we do not have a smart meter

.... obviously not in your case.

>> (and never will if I have anything to do with it).
>>
>
>‘Locked in the garage’? Don’t you ever let it have a day out?
>
(-:

Actually, that brought up some nice mental images - then, I thought of
the first Wallace and Gromit film, in which just such a meter features!
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

pu gnikcab yb naem uoy tahw siht sI

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 by: Joe Kerr - Sun, 1 May 2022 17:35 UTC

On 01/05/2022 13:32, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>>>
>
> ... But then I never* buy alcohol, other than Christmas presents for
> others. I'm not teetotal nor puritanical** - I just don't like the taste
> of any beer or spirit (and wine not enough to get through a bottle
> before it deteriorates [plus it's very hard to _find_ a Spätlese or
> Auslese in an England supermarket]), so it just doesn't _occur_ to me to
> buy any.

Majestic Wine has a selection of them but I think your nearest branch is
Tenterden.

--
Ric

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 by: J. P. Gilliver (John - Sun, 1 May 2022 18:02 UTC

On Sun, 1 May 2022 at 18:35:32, Joe Kerr <joe_kerr@cheerful.com> wrote
(my responses usually FOLLOW):
>On 01/05/2022 13:32, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>>>>
>> ... But then I never* buy alcohol, other than Christmas presents for
>>others. I'm not teetotal nor puritanical** - I just don't like the
>>taste of any beer or spirit (and wine not enough to get through a
>>bottle before it deteriorates [plus it's very hard to _find_ a
>>Spätlese or Auslese in an England supermarket]), so it just doesn't
>>_occur_ to me to buy any.
>
>Majestic Wine has a selection of them but I think your nearest branch
>is Tenterden.
>
Thanks. I didn't doubt they _could_ be find, by aficionados (and
probably at quite a cost). That's why I specifically said supermarkets
(-:. I think if I'd had to pay a lot - and/or make a special journey (or
pay extra for delivery) - I'd end up drinking too slowly, and it'd
deteriorate before I finished it. Not that I couldn't afford it, but I
wouldn't enjoy it!
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"There is no such thing as bad weather - only the wrong clothes." - Billy
Connolly, in his World Tour of England, Ireland and Wales, 4 March 2002 (BBC1).

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 by: Sam Plusnet - Sun, 1 May 2022 18:33 UTC

On 01-May-22 13:32, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
> On Sun, 1 May 2022 at 10:27:53, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com> wrote (my

>> Our bulb fuel bill is now huge. I have been unable in 4 years with
>> bulb to get a real idea of average monthly use of gas and electricity
>> as they estimated often even when we sent readings. I will post if I
>> can separately to show how incomprehensible it is
>
> Ignore the bills, and work out your consumption from your readings. I'm
> not sure an average _monthly_ cost is that meaningful anyway, as it's
> going to vary significantly from summer to winter (I assume you heat by
> gas); a _yearly_ average is more meaningful, for a given house and
> household.

If you keep track for an extended period of time - even if you switch
suppliers - you can compare your consumption in (e.g.) March 2022 with
that in March 2019, March 2020, March 2021 and so on.

--
Sam Plusnet

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 by: J. P. Gilliver (John - Sun, 1 May 2022 19:04 UTC

On Sun, 1 May 2022 at 19:33:10, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote (my
responses usually FOLLOW):
>On 01-May-22 13:32, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>> On Sun, 1 May 2022 at 10:27:53, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com> wrote
>>(my
>
>>> Our bulb fuel bill is now huge. I have been unable in 4 years with
>>> bulb to get a real idea of average monthly use of gas and electricity
>>> as they estimated often even when we sent readings. I will post if I
>>> can separately to show how incomprehensible it is
>> Ignore the bills, and work out your consumption from your readings.
>>I'm not sure an average _monthly_ cost is that meaningful anyway, as
>>it's going to vary significantly from summer to winter (I assume you
>>heat by gas); a _yearly_ average is more meaningful, for a given
>>house and household.
>
>If you keep track for an extended period of time - even if you switch
>suppliers - you can compare your consumption in (e.g.) March 2022 with
>that in March 2019, March 2020, March 2021 and so on.
>
I see what you man, you can build up an "average March" consumption. But
you'd need quite a long period, as years vary - and that long might
cover changes in circumstance: different numbers of people in the
household, or retirement or similar meaning you're spending a different
proportion of time at home (and varying amounts of cooking).
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

A waist is a terrible thing to mind.

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