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Subject: Windows 10 oddity
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2022 10:18:04 +0000
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by: Scott - Wed, 30 Nov 2022 10:18 UTC

After a period of non-use my PC requires the password (which is
sensible). However, sometimes it requires Ctrl-Alt-Del and sometimes
it does not. I cannot see any pattern, but I suppose it may be a
two-stage process depending on time out of use. Anyone know?

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From: mo0...@posteo.de (Marco Moock)
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by: Marco Moock - Wed, 30 Nov 2022 11:53 UTC

Am 30.11.2022 um 10:18:04 Uhr schrieb Scott:

> After a period of non-use my PC requires the password (which is
> sensible). However, sometimes it requires Ctrl-Alt-Del and sometimes
> it does not. I cannot see any pattern, but I suppose it may be a
> two-stage process depending on time out of use. Anyone know?

Normally, Windows doesn't require Ctrl+Alt+Del. You can switch that off
in gpedit.msc.

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From: nos...@b-howie.co.uk (brian)
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by: brian - Wed, 30 Nov 2022 13:00 UTC

In message <tm7g6v$2g2es$9@dont-email.me>, Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de>
writes
>Am 30.11.2022 um 10:18:04 Uhr schrieb Scott:
>
>> After a period of non-use my PC requires the password (which is
>> sensible). However, sometimes it requires Ctrl-Alt-Del and sometimes
>> it does not. I cannot see any pattern, but I suppose it may be a
>> two-stage process depending on time out of use. Anyone know?
>
>Normally, Windows doesn't require Ctrl+Alt+Del. You can switch that off
>in gpedit.msc.
>
From the man who made it famous.

Https://www.theverge.com/2013/9/26/4772680/bill-gates-admits-ctrl-alt-del
-was-a-mistake

Brian
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by: Andy Burns - Wed, 30 Nov 2022 13:03 UTC

Scott wrote:

> sometimes it requires Ctrl-Alt-Del and sometimes
> it does not. I cannot see any pattern

Have you got smart unlock, so if it can see your phone nearby by bluetooth, it
doesn't lock?

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by: Martin Brown - Wed, 30 Nov 2022 15:45 UTC

On 30/11/2022 13:00, brian wrote:
> In message <tm7g6v$2g2es$9@dont-email.me>, Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de>
> writes
>> Am 30.11.2022 um 10:18:04 Uhr schrieb Scott:
>>
>>> After a period of non-use my PC requires the password (which is
>>> sensible). However, sometimes it requires Ctrl-Alt-Del and sometimes
>>> it does not. I cannot see any pattern, but I suppose it may be a
>>> two-stage process depending on time out of use. Anyone know?
>>
>> Normally, Windows doesn't require Ctrl+Alt+Del. You can switch that off
>> in gpedit.msc.
>>
> From the man who made it famous.
>
> Https://www.theverge.com/2013/9/26/4772680/bill-gates-admits-ctrl-alt-del
> -was-a-mistake
>
> Brian

On modern windows that keychord doesn't have anything like the
devastating effect it could have on a PC running MSDOS.

It merely gets the attention of the OS and allows you to start task
manager - which can be a useful thing to do on a sluggish PC - then you
know which task is hogging CPU, disk or memory (often it was IE).

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by: Brian Gaff - Wed, 30 Nov 2022 18:11 UTC

Not really, but since updates are very regular, it could be that if there
has had to be an update certain things need to be done, if no update, then
they don't.
Brian

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"Scott" <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
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> After a period of non-use my PC requires the password (which is
> sensible). However, sometimes it requires Ctrl-Alt-Del and sometimes
> it does not. I cannot see any pattern, but I suppose it may be a
> two-stage process depending on time out of use. Anyone know?

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by: Paul - Wed, 30 Nov 2022 23:28 UTC

On 11/30/2022 5:18 AM, Scott wrote:
> After a period of non-use my PC requires the password (which is
> sensible). However, sometimes it requires Ctrl-Alt-Del and sometimes
> it does not. I cannot see any pattern, but I suppose it may be a
> two-stage process depending on time out of use. Anyone know?
>

The usage of Control-Alt-Delete, is to ensure that Session 0
receives a password entry, and a session created by malware
is not capturing the information.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control-Alt-Delete

"Secure attention

Login spoofing is a social engineering trick in which a malicious
computer program with the appearance of a Windows login dialog box
prompts for user's account name and password to steal them.

To thwart this attack, Windows NT implements an optional security
measure in which Ctrl+Alt+Delete acts as a secure attention key combination.

Once the protection is activated, Windows requires the user to press
Ctrl+Alt+Delete each time before logging on or unlocking the computer.

Since the key combination is intercepted by Windows itself and
malicious software cannot mimic this behavior, the trick is thwarted.

Unless the Windows computer is part of a Windows domain network, the
secure attention protection is disabled by default and must be enabled
by the user."

I copied that section, to give some idea of what they are up to.

Whether it's being implemented properly, or being applied at the
right time... well, it's Windows innit.

Paul

Subject	Author
Windows 10 oddity	Scott
Re: Windows 10 oddity	Marco Moock
Re: Windows 10 oddity	brian
Re: Windows 10 oddity	Martin Brown
Re: Windows 10 oddity	Andy Burns
Re: Windows 10 oddity	Brian Gaff
Re: Windows 10 oddity	Paul