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* leaseMax
+- Re: leasePeter Jason
`* Re: leaseRod Speed
 `* Re: leaseSylvia Else
  `* Re: leaseMax
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 by: Max - Fri, 20 Oct 2023 22:52 UTC

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-20/port-of-darwin-chinese-company-lease-not-cancelled/103003452

The Darwin port was leased by the NT government to a Chinese owned company.

There have been calls for the Federal government to cancel the lease.

What would be the legal basis for cancelling the lease?

Aren't leases binding to both parties, as against the whole world?

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 by: Peter Jason - Fri, 20 Oct 2023 23:41 UTC

On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 09:52:25 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:

>https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-20/port-of-darwin-chinese-company-lease-not-cancelled/103003452
>
>The Darwin port was leased by the NT government to a Chinese owned company.
>
>There have been calls for the Federal government to cancel the lease.
>
>What would be the legal basis for cancelling the lease?
>
>Aren't leases binding to both parties, as against the whole world?

Perhaps there was an option to renew.

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From: rod.spee...@gmail.com (Rod Speed)
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Subject: Re: lease
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2023 11:45:07 +1100
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 by: Rod Speed - Sat, 21 Oct 2023 00:45 UTC

Max <max@invalid.address> wrote

Fuck, can't even get a reliable death squad anymore...

> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-20/port-of-darwin-chinese-company-lease-not-cancelled/103003452

> The Darwin port was leased by the NT government to a Chinese owned
> company.

> There have been calls for the Federal government to cancel the lease.

> What would be the legal basis for cancelling the lease?

That the NT govt had no legal capacity to do that.

> Aren't leases binding to both parties, as against the whole world?

Nope, dope.

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From: syl...@email.invalid (Sylvia Else)
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 by: Sylvia Else - Sat, 21 Oct 2023 01:28 UTC

On 21-Oct-23 11:45 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> Max <max@invalid.address> wrote
>
> Fuck, can't even get a reliable death squad anymore...
>
>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-20/port-of-darwin-chinese-company-lease-not-cancelled/103003452
>
>> The Darwin port was leased by the NT government to a Chinese owned
>> company.
>
>> There have been calls for the Federal government to cancel the lease.
>
>> What would be the legal basis for cancelling the lease?
>
>
The Commonwealth government could legislate it out of existence. But
they'd almost certainly have to pay compensation.

Sylvia.

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 by: Max - Sat, 21 Oct 2023 02:18 UTC

On 21/10/2023 12:28 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 21-Oct-23 11:45 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>> Max <max@invalid.address> wrote
>>
>> Fuck, can't even get a reliable death squad anymore...
>>
>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-20/port-of-darwin-chinese-company-lease-not-cancelled/103003452
>>
>>> The Darwin port was leased by the NT government to a Chinese owned
>>> company.
>>
>>> There have been calls for the Federal government to cancel the lease.
>>
>>> What would be the legal basis for cancelling the lease?
>>
>>
> The Commonwealth government could legislate it out of existence. But
> they'd almost certainly have to pay compensation.
>

Why could the Commonwealth government do it and not the NT govt?

What special power does the Cth govt have to do this?

Can the Cth govt legislate any lease out of existence, such as a
residential lease?

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 by: Sylvia Else - Sat, 21 Oct 2023 05:30 UTC

On 21-Oct-23 1:18 pm, Max wrote:
> On 21/10/2023 12:28 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 21-Oct-23 11:45 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> Max <max@invalid.address> wrote
>>>
>>> Fuck, can't even get a reliable death squad anymore...
>>>
>>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-20/port-of-darwin-chinese-company-lease-not-cancelled/103003452
>>>
>>>> The Darwin port was leased by the NT government to a Chinese owned
>>>> company.
>>>
>>>> There have been calls for the Federal government to cancel the lease.
>>>
>>>> What would be the legal basis for cancelling the lease?
>>>
>>>
>> The Commonwealth government could legislate it out of existence. But
>> they'd almost certainly have to pay compensation.
>>
>
> Why could the Commonwealth government do it and not the NT govt?
>
> What special power does the Cth govt have to do this?
>
> Can the Cth govt legislate any lease out of existence, such as a
> residential lease?
>

The NT could probably do it as well.

However the NT is not a sovereign state. Its legislative power derives
entirely from the Commonwealth's Northern Territory (Self-Goverment) Act
1978.

<http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdb/au/legis/cth/consol_act/nta1978425/>

The Commonwealth can, by legislation, therefore overrule any legislation
of the NT, or legislate for it. The former happened in respect of the
NT's euthanasia law. The Commonwealth cannot do the same for the states.

Sylvia.

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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 22 Oct 2023 05:16 UTC

On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 13:18:58 +1100, Max <max@invalid.address> wrote:

> On 21/10/2023 12:28 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 21-Oct-23 11:45 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> Max <max@invalid.address> wrote
>>>
>>> Fuck, can't even get a reliable death squad anymore...
>>>
>>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-20/port-of-darwin-chinese-company-lease-not-cancelled/103003452
>>>
>>>> The Darwin port was leased by the NT government to a Chinese owned
>>>> company.
>>>
>>>> There have been calls for the Federal government to cancel the lease.
>>>
>>>> What would be the legal basis for cancelling the lease?
>>>
>>>
>> The Commonwealth government could legislate it out of existence. But
>> they'd almost certainly have to pay compensation.

> Why could the Commonwealth government do it

Because that makes no sense.

> and not the NT govt?

Because the NT govt was stupid enough to do that, stupid.

> What special power does the Cth govt have to do this?

Thats the power the federal govt has over territorys, stupid.

> Can the Cth govt legislate any lease out of existence, such as a
> residential lease?

Nope, dope.

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