https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-63882524

that are complaining. They ought to stop whinging as they are giving
South Yorkshire a bad name.

They still have electricity and running water.

How many millions of Ukrainians have neither ATM.

How many thousands in the UK cannot afford to put on their gas CH.

A week without no electricity or gas was called a Scout Camp when I was
younger.

It still is if you do Freezer camp at Hesley Wood and you have to pay
for your kids to be cold.

And it's due to snow in the SE tommorow. So that will make national news.

--
Adam

In article <tn051q$1a8cn$1@dont-email.me>,
ARW <adamwadsworth@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-63882524

> that are complaining. They ought to stop whinging as they are giving
> South Yorkshire a bad name.

> They still have electricity and running water.

> How many millions of Ukrainians have neither ATM.

> How many thousands in the UK cannot afford to put on their gas CH.

> A week without no electricity or gas was called a Scout Camp when I was
> younger.

> It still is if you do Freezer camp at Hesley Wood and you have to pay
> for your kids to be cold.

> And it's due to snow in the SE tommorow. So that will make national news.

From TW3: "The whole of Britain was affected by blizzards today - here is a
picture of the snow outside the newsroom window." That was 60 years ago -
nothing changes.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On 09/12/2022 20:17, ARW wrote:
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-63882524
>
> that are complaining. They ought to stop whinging as they are giving
> South Yorkshire a bad name.
>
> They still have electricity and running water.

A couple of days ago reports said that many were without electricity as
well and qwere complaining that the utility companies provided electric
heater that they were unable to use.

No heat, no light, no cooking, no hot water - it's a bit much when you
are living in an "advanced" country that is not at war.

On Fri, 9 Dec 2022 20:17:45 +0000, ARW
<adamwadsworth@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-63882524
>
>that are complaining. They ought to stop whinging as they are giving
>South Yorkshire a bad name.
>
>They still have electricity and running water.
>
>How many millions of Ukrainians have neither ATM.
>
>How many thousands in the UK cannot afford to put on their gas CH.
>
>A week without no electricity or gas was called a Scout Camp when I was
>younger.
>
>It still is if you do Freezer camp at Hesley Wood and you have to pay
>for your kids to be cold.
>
>
>And it's due to snow in the SE tommorow. So that will make national news.

There are loads of parents complaining about swimming pools not having
the money to pay for heating the water. I don't recall any heated
pools when I was a child. I was a keen swimmer and it never did me any
harm, the whining bastards.

On 09/12/2022 20:56, SteveW wrote:
> On 09/12/2022 20:17, ARW wrote:
>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-63882524
>>
>> that are complaining. They ought to stop whinging as they are giving
>> South Yorkshire a bad name.
>>
>> They still have electricity and running water.
>
> A couple of days ago reports said that many were without electricity as
> well and qwere complaining that the utility companies provided electric
> heater that they were unable to use.
>
> No heat, no light, no cooking, no hot water - it's a bit much when you
> are living in an "advanced" country that is not at war.
>
There were no reports on Radio Sheffield of powercuts.

On 10/12/2022 06:32, ARW wrote:
> On 09/12/2022 20:56, SteveW wrote:
>> On 09/12/2022 20:17, ARW wrote:
>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-63882524
>>>
>>> that are complaining. They ought to stop whinging as they are giving
>>> South Yorkshire a bad name.
>>>
>>> They still have electricity and running water.
>>
>> A couple of days ago reports said that many were without electricity
>> as well and qwere complaining that the utility companies provided
>> electric heater that they were unable to use.
>>
>> No heat, no light, no cooking, no hot water - it's a bit much when you
>> are living in an "advanced" country that is not at war.
>>
> There were no reports on Radio Sheffield of powercuts.

I can't remember which newspaper website it was on, but they were
definitely complaining about being given electric heaters that they
could not use.

On 9 Dec 2022 at 20:17:45 GMT, ARW wrote:

> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-63882524
>
> that are complaining. They ought to stop whinging as they are giving
> South Yorkshire a bad name.
>
> They still have electricity and running water.
>
> How many millions of Ukrainians have neither ATM.
>
> How many thousands in the UK cannot afford to put on their gas CH.
>
> A week without no electricity or gas was called a Scout Camp when I was
> younger.
>
> It still is if you do Freezer camp at Hesley Wood and you have to pay
> for your kids to be cold.
>
>
> And it's due to snow in the SE tommorow. So that will make national news.

I was out around Stocksbridge yesterday and the council was going door to
door, checking people were OK, and that their gas was back on. The 4 or 5 I
happened to see were reconnected, and certainly not moaning.
--
Cheers, Rob, Sheffield UK

On 10/12/2022 08:30, SteveW wrote:
> On 10/12/2022 06:32, ARW wrote:
>> On 09/12/2022 20:56, SteveW wrote:
>>> On 09/12/2022 20:17, ARW wrote:
>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-63882524
>>>>
>>>> that are complaining. They ought to stop whinging as they are giving
>>>> South Yorkshire a bad name.
>>>>
>>>> They still have electricity and running water.
>>>
>>> A couple of days ago reports said that many were without electricity
>>> as well and qwere complaining that the utility companies provided
>>> electric heater that they were unable to use.
>>>
>>> No heat, no light, no cooking, no hot water - it's a bit much when
>>> you are living in an "advanced" country that is not at war.
>>>
>> There were no reports on Radio Sheffield of powercuts.
>
> I can't remember which newspaper website it was on, but they were
> definitely complaining about being given electric heaters that they
> could not use.

Given that those that are complaining often have two mouths and no ears.

They have said that they have been told to only use the electric heaters
at set times.

On 10/12/2022 09:15, ARW wrote:
> On 10/12/2022 08:30, SteveW wrote:
>> On 10/12/2022 06:32, ARW wrote:
>>> On 09/12/2022 20:56, SteveW wrote:
>>>> On 09/12/2022 20:17, ARW wrote:
>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-63882524
>>>>>
>>>>> that are complaining. They ought to stop whinging as they are
>>>>> giving South Yorkshire a bad name.
>>>>>
>>>>> They still have electricity and running water.
>>>>
>>>> A couple of days ago reports said that many were without electricity
>>>> as well and qwere complaining that the utility companies provided
>>>> electric heater that they were unable to use.
>>>>
>>>> No heat, no light, no cooking, no hot water - it's a bit much when
>>>> you are living in an "advanced" country that is not at war.
>>>>
>>> There were no reports on Radio Sheffield of powercuts.
>>
>> I can't remember which newspaper website it was on, but they were
>> definitely complaining about being given electric heaters that they
>> could not use.
>
> Given that those that are complaining often have two mouths and no ears.

And quite likely several tw*tter accounts too

<Mike Gibbs says he's been using a weighted blanket to stay warm, but
described his home as an "ice box">

Perhaps he should brush up on physics or David Attenborough programs.
If you want to retain body heat then you need effective insulation,
like Polar bears and Scottish Coos have. A heavy blanket does not
mean a well-insulating blanket.

And how does water from a burst main 'leak into a gas main' unless
the latter was broken at the same time as the water main and the
gas pressure is less then the hydraulic pressure of the water.
This doesn't make sense. When a similar incident knocked out the
gas supply to much of West Sussex in 1985? it was because a mole
plough managed to go straight through a large water main and
also the parallel medium pressure gas main.

On 09/12/2022 20:17, ARW wrote:
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-63882524
>
> that are complaining. They ought to stop whinging as they are giving
> South Yorkshire a bad name.
>
> They still have electricity and running water.
>
> How many millions of Ukrainians have neither ATM.
>
> How many thousands in the UK cannot afford to put on their gas CH.
>
> A week without no electricity or gas was called a Scout Camp when I was
> younger.
>
> It still is if you do Freezer camp at Hesley Wood and you have to pay
> for your kids to be cold.
>
>
> And it's due to snow in the SE tommorow. So that will make national news.
>
>
"Your Children wont know what Snow is" (some climb-it alarmist)

--
"An intellectual is a person knowledgeable in one field who speaks out
only in others...”

Tom Wolfe

On 09/12/2022 20:56, SteveW wrote:
> On 09/12/2022 20:17, ARW wrote:
>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-63882524
>>
>> that are complaining. They ought to stop whinging as they are giving
>> South Yorkshire a bad name.
>>
>> They still have electricity and running water.
>
> A couple of days ago reports said that many were without electricity as
> well and qwere complaining that the utility companies provided electric
> heater that they were unable to use.
>
> No heat, no light, no cooking, no hot water - it's a bit much when you
> are living in an "advanced" country that is not at war.
>
Not at all. When the EU decrees that companies must be paid to install
heat pumps, windmills and solar panels, instead of generating reliable
electricity, and delivering reliable heat via gas, what do you expect?

We wont really have Brexit until the Climate Change Act is junked.

Despite the furore from every green cominng out from under its bridge
and saying 'we need more renewable energy' and that wanker Sunak U
turning on fracking.

--
"An intellectual is a person knowledgeable in one field who speaks out
only in others...”

Tom Wolfe

On 10/12/2022 00:16, Cursitor Doom wrote:

> There are loads of parents complaining about swimming pools not having
> the money to pay for heating the water. I don't recall any heated
> pools when I was a child. I was a keen swimmer and it never did me any
> harm, the whining bastards.

Recently on local social media many people, including myself, were
remembering the Southend on Sea schools policy of when the weather
started getting cold pupils from local schools were bussed down for
swimming lessons to the Westcliff open air unheated swimming pool filled
with sea water. You had no option about going in!

Some people remember the pool with fondness but they used it mid Summer.
Anyone who was forced to use it for school swimming lessons had
different views.

The pool is still there - but now without water being the basement area
of a Casino.

This was the same pool where it was claimed that Ian Dury contacted
Polio in 1949.

For those fond of cold swimming I believe that the RNLI are organising a
Boxing Day swim in the sea around my way.

--
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In message <tn1lee$1ql7$1@gioia.aioe.org>, at 10:01:50 on Sat, 10 Dec
2022, Andrew <Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com> remarked:

>And how does water from a burst main 'leak into a gas main' unless
>the latter was broken at the same time as the water main and the
>gas pressure is less then the hydraulic pressure of the water.
>This doesn't make sense. When a similar incident knocked out the
>gas supply to much of West Sussex in 1985? it was because a mole
>plough managed to go straight through a large water main and
>also the parallel medium pressure gas main.

It's all a bit shrouded in mystery, but I don't think the gas pressure
in the affected pipes is especially high, because it's going straight
into people's homes. The TV report yesterday said that Cadent were going
house-to-house emptying the water out of presumably the pipes downstream
of people's meters.

The bloke from the water company appeared completely clueless and a week
after the incident still couldn't say what had caused the water main
(perhaps a long distance one and not that feeding individual houses,
because the homes have running water) to "burst".

The only mechanism I can think of is perhaps the local gas distribution
pipes have some emergency pressure relief valves and water got in
through those.
--
Roland Perry

On 10/12/2022 08:56, RJH wrote:

> I was out around Stocksbridge yesterday and the council was going door to
> door, checking people were OK, and that their gas was back on. The 4 or 5 I
> happened to see were reconnected, and certainly not moaning.

Council of gas supplier? I believe the supplier (Centrica) has a legal
duty to do so after a gas outage. There are still boilers around with
pilot lights and gas appliances with missing flame protection.

--
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On 10/12/2022 10:30, alan_m wrote:
> On 10/12/2022 08:56, RJH wrote:
>
>> I was out around Stocksbridge yesterday and the council was going door to
>> door, checking people were OK, and that their gas was back on. The 4
>> or 5 I
>> happened to see were reconnected, and certainly not moaning.
>
> Council of gas supplier?
Council or gas supplier?

--
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On 10/12/2022 10:15, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

>>
>>
> "Your Children wont know what Snow is" (some climb-it alarmist)
>
Or coal, 8 track players, leaded petrol and a fucking good hiding.

In message <tn1t3f$1l4kb$1@dont-email.me>, ARW
<adamwadsworth@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>On 10/12/2022 10:15, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>>>
>>>
>> "Your Children wont know what Snow is" (some climb-it alarmist)
>>
>Or coal, 8 track players, leaded petrol and a fucking good hiding.
>

Apparently some already don't know what coal is. Some heritage railways
have had visiting children puzzled about the black rocks that are being
used on the steam engines, they hadn't come across it before.

Adrian
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On 10/12/2022 10:01, Andrew wrote:
> On 10/12/2022 09:15, ARW wrote:
>> On 10/12/2022 08:30, SteveW wrote:
>>> On 10/12/2022 06:32, ARW wrote:
>>>> On 09/12/2022 20:56, SteveW wrote:
>>>>> On 09/12/2022 20:17, ARW wrote:
>>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-63882524
>>>>>>
>>>>>> that are complaining. They ought to stop whinging as they are
>>>>>> giving South Yorkshire a bad name.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They still have electricity and running water.
>>>>>
>>>>> A couple of days ago reports said that many were without
>>>>> electricity as well and qwere complaining that the utility
>>>>> companies provided electric heater that they were unable to use.
>>>>>
>>>>> No heat, no light, no cooking, no hot water - it's a bit much when
>>>>> you are living in an "advanced" country that is not at war.
>>>>>
>>>> There were no reports on Radio Sheffield of powercuts.
>>>
>>> I can't remember which newspaper website it was on, but they were
>>> definitely complaining about being given electric heaters that they
>>> could not use.
>>
>> Given that those that are complaining often have two mouths and no ears.
>
> And quite likely several tw*tter accounts too
>
> <Mike Gibbs says he's been using a weighted blanket to stay warm, but
> described his home as an "ice box">
>
> Perhaps he should brush up on physics or David Attenborough programs.
> If you want to retain body heat then you need effective insulation,
> like Polar bears and Scottish Coos have. A heavy blanket does not
> mean a well-insulating blanket.
>
> And how does water from a burst main 'leak into a gas main' unless
> the latter was broken at the same time as the water main and the
> gas pressure is less then the hydraulic pressure of the water.
> This doesn't make sense. When a similar incident knocked out the
> gas supply to much of West Sussex in 1985? it was because a mole
> plough managed to go straight through a large water main and
> also the parallel medium pressure gas main.

I have worked in houses (3 bedroom) with no CH and stopped in them
overnight when working away.

You can usually keep it warm enough with two 2kW heaters - one upstairs
and one downstairs and keeping the doors open to all rooms.

On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 08:30:42 +0000, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk>
wrote:

>On 10/12/2022 06:32, ARW wrote:
>> On 09/12/2022 20:56, SteveW wrote:
>>> On 09/12/2022 20:17, ARW wrote:
>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-63882524
>>>>
>>>> that are complaining. They ought to stop whinging as they are giving
>>>> South Yorkshire a bad name.
>>>>
>>>> They still have electricity and running water.
>>>
>>> A couple of days ago reports said that many were without electricity
>>> as well and qwere complaining that the utility companies provided
>>> electric heater that they were unable to use.
>>>
>>> No heat, no light, no cooking, no hot water - it's a bit much when you
>>> are living in an "advanced" country that is not at war.
>>>
>> There were no reports on Radio Sheffield of powercuts.
>
>I can't remember which newspaper website it was on, but they were
>definitely complaining about being given electric heaters that they
>could not use.

Some people are ungrateful. I learnt to write my name in window
frost:

https://twitter.com/4bruce7/status/1601518362378768384/photo/1

--
AnthonyL

Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next?

On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 00:16:20 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 9 Dec 2022 20:17:45 +0000, ARW
><adamwadsworth@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-63882524
>>
>>that are complaining. They ought to stop whinging as they are giving
>>South Yorkshire a bad name.
>>
>>They still have electricity and running water.
>>
>>How many millions of Ukrainians have neither ATM.
>>
>>How many thousands in the UK cannot afford to put on their gas CH.
>>
>>A week without no electricity or gas was called a Scout Camp when I was
>>younger.
>>
>>It still is if you do Freezer camp at Hesley Wood and you have to pay
>>for your kids to be cold.
>>
>>
>>And it's due to snow in the SE tommorow. So that will make national news.
>
>There are loads of parents complaining about swimming pools not having
>the money to pay for heating the water. I don't recall any heated
>pools when I was a child. I was a keen swimmer and it never did me any
>harm, the whining bastards.

I went through 7 years of grammar school with cold showers after the
two PE, one games and any other physical activity.

I blame any lack of size on the long term effects of those years!

--
AnthonyL

Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next?

On 10/12/2022 12:16, Adrian wrote:
> In message <tn1t3f$1l4kb$1@dont-email.me>, ARW
> <adamwadsworth@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>> On 10/12/2022 10:15, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> "Your Children wont know what Snow is" (some climb-it alarmist)
>>>
>> Or coal, 8 track players, leaded petrol and a fucking good hiding.
>>
>
> Apparently some already don't know what coal is.  Some heritage railways
> have had visiting children puzzled about the black rocks that are being
> used on the steam engines, they hadn't come across it before.

I know and I live in a former mining town

And I have Kirklees light railway 5 miles away from home - OK so it has
changed it's name.

On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 10:01:50 +0000, Andrew wrote:
> And how does water from a burst main 'leak into a gas main' unless the
> latter was broken at the same time as the water main and the gas
> pressure is less then the hydraulic pressure of the water.

It is. Mains gas is at 35 millibar or so after the regulator. It's a bit
higher in the mains - one site says 70 millibar - but still in the
millibar range. Water is at several bar - I think 10 bar is the maximum,
and below 1 bar is too low. So water is at between 100 and 1000 times the
pressure of gas.
In fact, gravity is enough to do the job. 1 bar is about 10 metres height
of water. Submerging a broken gas main in a metre of water (100 millibar)
is enough pressure to flood the pipes.

There are of course gas distribution pipes that run at much higher
pressures. These aren't connected directly to customers, and usually
avoid residential areas as much as possible.

Mike

On 10/12/2022 12:32, AnthonyL wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 08:30:42 +0000, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/12/2022 06:32, ARW wrote:
>>> On 09/12/2022 20:56, SteveW wrote:
>>>> On 09/12/2022 20:17, ARW wrote:
>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-63882524
>>>>>
>>>>> that are complaining. They ought to stop whinging as they are giving
>>>>> South Yorkshire a bad name.
>>>>>
>>>>> They still have electricity and running water.
>>>>
>>>> A couple of days ago reports said that many were without electricity
>>>> as well and qwere complaining that the utility companies provided
>>>> electric heater that they were unable to use.
>>>>
>>>> No heat, no light, no cooking, no hot water - it's a bit much when you
>>>> are living in an "advanced" country that is not at war.
>>>>
>>> There were no reports on Radio Sheffield of powercuts.
>>
>> I can't remember which newspaper website it was on, but they were
>> definitely complaining about being given electric heaters that they
>> could not use.
>
> Some people are ungrateful. I learnt to write my name in window
> frost:
>
> https://twitter.com/4bruce7/status/1601518362378768384/photo/1
>

This one has memory loss

https://news.sky.com/story/woman-91-is-left-without-heating-for-seven-days-after-thousands-of-homes-in-sheffield-have-gas-supply-cut-off-12764343

"all I've got is a microwave and a heater. It's terrible," Mrs
Richardson told Sky News.

"I've never known anything like it, I've lived here for 70 years and
I've never had anything like this.

On 10/12/2022 10:20, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <tn1lee$1ql7$1@gioia.aioe.org>, at 10:01:50 on Sat, 10 Dec
> 2022, Andrew <Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com> remarked:
>
>> And how does water from a burst main 'leak into a gas main' unless
>> the latter was broken at the same time as the water main and the
>> gas pressure is less then the hydraulic pressure of the water.
>> This doesn't make sense. When a similar incident knocked out the
>> gas supply to much of West Sussex in 1985? it was because a mole
>> plough managed to go straight through a large water main and
>> also the parallel medium pressure gas main.
>
> It's all a bit shrouded in mystery, but I don't think the gas pressure
> in the affected pipes is especially high, because it's going straight
> into people's homes. The TV report yesterday said that Cadent were going
> house-to-house emptying the water out of presumably the pipes downstream
> of people's meters.
>
> The bloke from the water company appeared completely clueless and a week
> after the incident still couldn't say what had caused the water main
> (perhaps a long distance one and not that feeding individual houses,
> because the homes have running water) to "burst".
>
> The only mechanism I can think of is perhaps the local gas distribution
> pipes have some emergency pressure relief valves and water got in
> through those.

It was a water pipe installed in 1970

On 10/12/2022 13:53, ARW wrote:
> On 10/12/2022 10:20, Roland Perry wrote:
>> In message <tn1lee$1ql7$1@gioia.aioe.org>, at 10:01:50 on Sat, 10 Dec
>> 2022, Andrew <Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com> remarked:
>>
>>> And how does water from a burst main 'leak into a gas main' unless
>>> the latter was broken at the same time as the water main and the
>>> gas pressure is less then the hydraulic pressure of the water.
>>> This doesn't make sense. When a similar incident knocked out the
>>> gas supply to much of West Sussex in 1985? it was because a mole
>>> plough managed to go straight through a large water main and
>>> also the parallel medium pressure gas main.
>>
>> It's all a bit shrouded in mystery, but I don't think the gas pressure
>> in the affected pipes is especially high, because it's going straight
>> into people's homes. The TV report yesterday said that Cadent were
>> going house-to-house emptying the water out of presumably the pipes
>> downstream of people's meters.
>>
>> The bloke from the water company appeared completely clueless and a
>> week after the incident still couldn't say what had caused the water
>> main (perhaps a long distance one and not that feeding individual
>> houses, because the homes have running water) to "burst".
>>
>> The only mechanism I can think of is perhaps the local gas
>> distribution pipes have some emergency pressure relief valves and
>> water got in through those.
>
> It was a water pipe installed in 1970
that burst