On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 09:42:42 +0000, Jeff Layman
<jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 23/03/20 08:26, ss wrote:
>> Changed my car a couple of weeks back and it has the push button
>> start/stop rather than ignition key. It also cuts out if stopped at
>> traffic lights and restarts when accelerator pedal is pressed.
>>
>> All very well for saving fuel and I am sure the answer will be yes, but
>> how much does this impact on the battery life with all the `extra`stop
>> starts, or has the technology improved so that this has no adverse
>> effect on battery life.
>>
>> Most of our driving is around town.
>
>Batteries for the automatic stop/start system are designed for that
>purpose.
>
>My car has that system, but also has a button which disables it
>temporarily (pressing it again resets it). I find it helpful to disable
>it at junctions which are on a slope and you need to keep the brake on
>to avoid rolling forwards or back, and/or are very busy and when a gap
>appears you need to nip out quickly.

I don't follow this. Is this the handbrake or the footbrake? I was
taught you should use the handbrake to hold the vehicle while
stationary - not the footbrake.

On Thu, 15 Dec 2022 17:00:22 +0000
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

> I don't follow this. Is this the handbrake or the footbrake? I was
> taught you should use the handbrake to hold the vehicle while
> stationary - not the footbrake.

Engine switches off when you apply the handbrake, so has to restart
when you press the clutch before pulling away.

On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 04:00:22 +1100, Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk>
wrote:

> On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 09:42:42 +0000, Jeff Layman
> <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 23/03/20 08:26, ss wrote:
>>> Changed my car a couple of weeks back and it has the push button
>>> start/stop rather than ignition key. It also cuts out if stopped at
>>> traffic lights and restarts when accelerator pedal is pressed.
>>>
>>> All very well for saving fuel and I am sure the answer will be yes, but
>>> how much does this impact on the battery life with all the `extra`stop
>>> starts, or has the technology improved so that this has no adverse
>>> effect on battery life.
>>>
>>> Most of our driving is around town.
>>
>> Batteries for the automatic stop/start system are designed for that
>> purpose.
>>
>> My car has that system, but also has a button which disables it
>> temporarily (pressing it again resets it). I find it helpful to disable
>> it at junctions which are on a slope and you need to keep the brake on
>> to avoid rolling forwards or back, and/or are very busy and when a gap
>> appears you need to nip out quickly.
>
> I don't follow this. Is this the handbrake or the footbrake? I was
> taught you should use the handbrake to hold the vehicle while
> stationary - not the footbrake.

But there was never a good reason for that teaching.

On 15/12/2022 19:59, Rob Morley wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Dec 2022 17:00:22 +0000
> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I don't follow this. Is this the handbrake or the footbrake? I was
>> taught you should use the handbrake to hold the vehicle while
>> stationary - not the footbrake.
>
> Engine switches off when you apply the handbrake, so has to restart
> when you press the clutch before pulling away.

So how do you do a hill start?

--
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On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 14:27:01 +0000, Max Demian wrote:

> On 15/12/2022 19:59, Rob Morley wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Dec 2022 17:00:22 +0000 Scott
>> <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't follow this. Is this the handbrake or the footbrake? I was
>>> taught you should use the handbrake to hold the vehicle while
>>> stationary - not the footbrake.
>>
>> Engine switches off when you apply the handbrake, so has to restart
>> when you press the clutch before pulling away.
>
> So how do you do a hill start?

On my car, the electric 'handbrake' automatically disengages as you try
to pull away.

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Bob Eager wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 14:27:01 +0000, Max Demian wrote:
>
>> On 15/12/2022 19:59, Rob Morley wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 Dec 2022 17:00:22 +0000 Scott
>>> <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't follow this. Is this the handbrake or the footbrake? I was
>>>> taught you should use the handbrake to hold the vehicle while
>>>> stationary - not the footbrake.
>>>
>>> Engine switches off when you apply the handbrake, so has to restart
>>> when you press the clutch before pulling away.
>>
>> So how do you do a hill start?
>
> On my car, the electric 'handbrake' automatically disengages as you try
> to pull away.
>
>

Hmm I saw a very new Audi A3 driving down a snow covered road yesterday with its back wheels locked.
it was -5c outside
Auto handbrake ?

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On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 16:57:30 +0000, Mark wrote:

> Bob Eager wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 14:27:01 +0000, Max Demian wrote:
>>
>>> On 15/12/2022 19:59, Rob Morley wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 15 Dec 2022 17:00:22 +0000 Scott
>>>> <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I don't follow this. Is this the handbrake or the footbrake? I was
>>>>> taught you should use the handbrake to hold the vehicle while
>>>>> stationary - not the footbrake.
>>>>
>>>> Engine switches off when you apply the handbrake, so has to restart
>>>> when you press the clutch before pulling away.
>>>
>>> So how do you do a hill start?
>>
>> On my car, the electric 'handbrake' automatically disengages as you try
>> to pull away.
>>
>>
>>
> Hmm I saw a very new Audi A3 driving down a snow covered road yesterday
> with its back wheels locked.
> it was -5c outside Auto handbrake ?

Mine won't do it on the first pull away after starting. Or, the last car
didn't. Haven't tried it on the new one yet (only done 68 miles).

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On 16/12/2022 20:53, Bob Eager wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 16:57:30 +0000, Mark wrote:
>
>> Bob Eager wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 14:27:01 +0000, Max Demian wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 15/12/2022 19:59, Rob Morley wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 15 Dec 2022 17:00:22 +0000 Scott
>>>>> <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't follow this. Is this the handbrake or the footbrake? I was
>>>>>> taught you should use the handbrake to hold the vehicle while
>>>>>> stationary - not the footbrake.
>>>>>
>>>>> Engine switches off when you apply the handbrake, so has to restart
>>>>> when you press the clutch before pulling away.
>>>>
>>>> So how do you do a hill start?
>>>
>>> On my car, the electric 'handbrake' automatically disengages as you try
>>> to pull away.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Hmm I saw a very new Audi A3 driving down a snow covered road yesterday
>> with its back wheels locked.
>> it was -5c outside Auto handbrake ?
>
> Mine won't do it on the first pull away after starting. Or, the last car
> didn't. Haven't tried it on the new one yet (only done 68 miles).

The hire car that I had recently released the handbrake as you increased
the revs, even in neutral and with the clutch down. I only tried that
after having seen a newspaper report of a girl sitting in her father's
car, releasing the brake that way and the car rolling down a hill,
turning over and killing her.

Scott wrote:

> Batteries for the automatic stop/start system are designed for that
> purpose.
>
> My car has that system, but also has a button which disables it
> temporarily (pressing it again resets it). I find it helpful to disable
> it at junctions which are on a slope and you need to keep the brake on
> to avoid rolling forwards or back, and/or are very busy and when a gap
> appears you need to nip out quickly.

Mine wouldn't ever roll-back anyway, but rather than disable start/stop via the
button a "tricky" junctions, I just tap the gearbox into sport mode, that also
prevents the start/stop from activating, and the car is then ready to make a
keen getaway!

On 15/12/2022 21:24, chop wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 04:00:22 +1100, Scott
> <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't follow this.  Is this the handbrake or the footbrake?  I was
>> taught you should use the handbrake to hold the vehicle while
>> stationary - not the footbrake.
>
> But there was never a good reason for that teaching.

One good reason is that you aren't shining your high powered brake
lights into the eyes of the poor *** behind you.

Nowadays they are fitting cars with auto hold brakes. Stop, then take
your foot off the brake and it keeps them on for you.

Including the ******* lights.

Andy

Vir Campestris wrote:

> Nowadays they are fitting cars with auto hold brakes. Stop, then take your foot
> off the brake and it keeps them on for you.
>
> Including the ******* lights.

My previous car (same make) didn't leave the brake lights on when it held the
brakes for you, unfortunately the current one does, I could press the "P" button
on the gear knob for it to swap to the electric handbrake, but it's *so* much
effort :-P

On Tue, 20 Dec 2022 22:45:02 +1100, Vir Campestris
<vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 15/12/2022 21:24, chop wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 04:00:22 +1100, Scott
>> <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I don't follow this. Is this the handbrake or the footbrake? I was
>>> taught you should use the handbrake to hold the vehicle while
>>> stationary - not the footbrake.
>> But there was never a good reason for that teaching.
>
> One good reason is that you aren't shining your high powered brake
> lights into the eyes of the poor *** behind you.

Never had a problem when I was the one behind.

> Nowadays they are fitting cars with auto hold brakes. Stop, then take
> your foot off the brake and it keeps them on for you.

> Including the ******* lights.
>
> Andy

In article <op.1w8lrr0dnuhhzz@pvr2.lan>, chop <chop654@gmail.com>
scribeth thus
>On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 04:00:22 +1100, Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 09:42:42 +0000, Jeff Layman
>> <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 23/03/20 08:26, ss wrote:
>>>> Changed my car a couple of weeks back and it has the push button
>>>> start/stop rather than ignition key. It also cuts out if stopped at
>>>> traffic lights and restarts when accelerator pedal is pressed.
>>>>
>>>> All very well for saving fuel and I am sure the answer will be yes, but
>>>> how much does this impact on the battery life with all the `extra`stop
>>>> starts, or has the technology improved so that this has no adverse
>>>> effect on battery life.
>>>>
>>>> Most of our driving is around town.
>>>
>>> Batteries for the automatic stop/start system are designed for that
>>> purpose.
>>>
>>> My car has that system, but also has a button which disables it
>>> temporarily (pressing it again resets it). I find it helpful to disable
>>> it at junctions which are on a slope and you need to keep the brake on
>>> to avoid rolling forwards or back, and/or are very busy and when a gap
>>> appears you need to nip out quickly.
>>
>> I don't follow this. Is this the handbrake or the footbrake? I was
>> taught you should use the handbrake to hold the vehicle while
>> stationary - not the footbrake.
>
>But there was never a good reason for that teaching.

What if you were on an uphill slope and another car was right behind
you?...

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On Thursday, 15 December 2022 at 21:25:02 UTC, chop wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 04:00:22 +1100, Scott <newsg...@gefion.myzen.co.uk>
> wrote:
> > I don't follow this. Is this the handbrake or the footbrake? I was
> > taught you should use the handbrake to hold the vehicle while
> > stationary - not the footbrake.

> But there was never a good reason for that teaching.

The reason is your foot can come off the pedal when rear ended. OTOH nowadays handbrakes can be feeble, so better to use both brakes at a stop. Strange how many people think it safest to use only one.

On Wed, 21 Dec 2022 08:48:17 +1100, Animal <tabbypurr@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, 15 December 2022 at 21:25:02 UTC, chop wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 04:00:22 +1100, Scott <newsg...@gefion.myzen.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>> > I don't follow this. Is this the handbrake or the footbrake? I was
>> > taught you should use the handbrake to hold the vehicle while
>> > stationary - not the footbrake.
>
>> But there was never a good reason for that teaching.

> The reason is your foot can come off the pedal when rear ended.

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

If you are rear ended, even with the brakes fully on, your car will
slide over the road.

> OTOH nowadays handbrakes can be feeble,

Mine isn't. The car sort of just squats if you try to drive off with the
handbrake on.

> so better to use both brakes at a stop.

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

> Strange how many people think it safest to use only one.

Nothing strange about it given that even with perfect brakes,
your car will just slide over the ground if rear ended.