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Re: Mac drive letters?

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On Saturday, 9 April 2022 at 00:54:53 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 12:39:26 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, 6 April 2022 at 23:20:02 UTC+1, Richard Tobin wrote:
> >> In article <de8cdc39-c872-425d...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> Personal computers have been multi-user systems for decades.
> >> > Then multi-users computers are personal computers then.
> >> Some are. I wouldn't call an IBM mainframe a personal computer.
> >
> > Me neither but it depends on what they are designed for.
> > Yesterday I went up to one of our robotics engineering students who was using a screwdriver
> > handle to hammer a nail in a piece of plywood.
> Was he successfull?

I think so, I told him I have hammers in my office if he needs a real hammer.

> >> >Or in the real world multi-user computers :-
> >> >Refers to computer systems that support two or more simultaneous users.
> >> Macs certainly fall into that category. You can easily have dozens of
> >> users logged in to a Mac.
> >
> > you can have dozens100s of watchers around an iMac screen but it doesn't make it a cinema.
> >
> >> I frequently log in to co-workers' Macs
> >> using ssh. They're not set up to run the graphical interface for
> >> multiple users on multiple screens (though I wouldn't be surprised if
> >> it can be done), but nor are many other multi-user systems.
> >
> > Yes I have used Timbuktu software a few times.
> > A friend used to to remotly administer 6 Mac minis in thailand.
> > But mainframes which are true multi-user systems where 100s can log on and run
> > programs because that is what it was designed to do.
> I can have 100s of users logging into a Windows PC on the network if I wish.

and doing what ?

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On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 12:09:21 +0100, whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Saturday, 9 April 2022 at 00:54:53 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 12:39:26 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Wednesday, 6 April 2022 at 23:20:02 UTC+1, Richard Tobin wrote:
>> >> In article <de8cdc39-c872-425d...@googlegroups.com>,
>> >> whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> Personal computers have been multi-user systems for decades.
>> >> > Then multi-users computers are personal computers then.
>> >> Some are. I wouldn't call an IBM mainframe a personal computer.
>> >
>> > Me neither but it depends on what they are designed for.
>> > Yesterday I went up to one of our robotics engineering students who was using a screwdriver
>> > handle to hammer a nail in a piece of plywood.
>> Was he successfull?
>
> I think so, I told him I have hammers in my office if he needs a real hammer.

The tool is in the eye of the beholder.

>> >> >Or in the real world multi-user computers :-
>> >> >Refers to computer systems that support two or more simultaneous users.
>> >> Macs certainly fall into that category. You can easily have dozens of
>> >> users logged in to a Mac.
>> >
>> > you can have dozens100s of watchers around an iMac screen but it doesn't make it a cinema.
>> >
>> >> I frequently log in to co-workers' Macs
>> >> using ssh. They're not set up to run the graphical interface for
>> >> multiple users on multiple screens (though I wouldn't be surprised if
>> >> it can be done), but nor are many other multi-user systems.
>> >
>> > Yes I have used Timbuktu software a few times.
>> > A friend used to to remotly administer 6 Mac minis in thailand.
>> > But mainframes which are true multi-user systems where 100s can log on and run
>> > programs because that is what it was designed to do.
>> I can have 100s of users logging into a Windows PC on the network if I wish.
>
> and doing what ?

Anything you would do if it was your own PC.

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On Saturday, 9 April 2022 at 00:56:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 14:38:55 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 14:05:20 UTC+1, Richard Tobin wrote:
> >> In article <f605f9df-4ac4-4032...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> I frequently log in to co-workers' Macs
> >> >> using ssh. They're not set up to run the graphical interface for
> >> >> multiple users on multiple screens (though I wouldn't be surprised if
> >> >> it can be done), but nor are many other multi-user systems.
> >>
> >> >Yes I have used Timbuktu software a few times. A friend used to to
> >> >remotly administer 6 Mac minis in thailand. But mainframes which are
> >> >true multi-user systems where 100s can log on and run programs
> >> >because that is what it was designed to do.
> >> Very few multi-user systems are mainframes.
> >
> > Some are refered to as minis, but not many if any are micros.
> >
> >> For example, the computer
> >> servers we use here are just rack-mounted Linux boxes.
> >
> > Why do you call them servers why not just hard disc arrays.
> Because they have a processor.

PCs, Macs, all have drives and processors and memory

> > or why not just use a PC or a Mac ?
> Because he's a geek?
> >> Would you
> >> suggest that they are not multi-user systems? You can do exactly the
> >> same with a Mac.
> >
> > But not effectively, otherwise they'd be no need for mainframes or minis or anythng else .
> They're just faster.
and that's it is it. you forgot about price and physical size.

> > But we all know there's no difference between a screwdriver and a hammer.
> I often use the wrong tool if it happens to be to hand.

Now there's a suprise.
But what do you mean by the wrong tool.?

> > Same with a bus and a car no differnce both carry people from point A to point B
> I've used my car to carry one metric tonne of ballast. Was fun getting it to go over the speedbumps.

Have you ever tried getting one metric tonne of ballast on a bus ?

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On Monday, 11 April 2022 at 12:37:35 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 12:09:21 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, 9 April 2022 at 00:54:53 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 12:39:26 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Wednesday, 6 April 2022 at 23:20:02 UTC+1, Richard Tobin wrote:
> >> >> In article <de8cdc39-c872-425d...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> >> whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> Personal computers have been multi-user systems for decades.
> >> >> > Then multi-users computers are personal computers then.
> >> >> Some are. I wouldn't call an IBM mainframe a personal computer.
> >> >
> >> > Me neither but it depends on what they are designed for.
> >> > Yesterday I went up to one of our robotics engineering students who was using a screwdriver
> >> > handle to hammer a nail in a piece of plywood.
> >> Was he successfull?
> >
> > I think so, I told him I have hammers in my office if he needs a real hammer.
> The tool is in the eye of the beholder.
> >> >> >Or in the real world multi-user computers :-
> >> >> >Refers to computer systems that support two or more simultaneous users.
> >> >> Macs certainly fall into that category. You can easily have dozens of
> >> >> users logged in to a Mac.
> >> >
> >> > you can have dozens100s of watchers around an iMac screen but it doesn't make it a cinema.
> >> >
> >> >> I frequently log in to co-workers' Macs
> >> >> using ssh. They're not set up to run the graphical interface for
> >> >> multiple users on multiple screens (though I wouldn't be surprised if
> >> >> it can be done), but nor are many other multi-user systems.
> >> >
> >> > Yes I have used Timbuktu software a few times.
> >> > A friend used to to remotly administer 6 Mac minis in thailand.
> >> > But mainframes which are true multi-user systems where 100s can log on and run
> >> > programs because that is what it was designed to do.
> >> I can have 100s of users logging into a Windows PC on the network if I wish.
> >
> > and doing what ?
> Anything you would do if it was your own PC.

So they can all use the copy of Word on the PC can they ?
Seems strange to me that anyone could log on and use word for free , we had to buy a site license to put it on every Mac & PC
that we wanted to, whenh we could have just bought one copy and shared it.

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 by: Commander Kinsey - Mon, 11 Apr 2022 12:39 UTC

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 13:11:22 +0100, whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Saturday, 9 April 2022 at 00:56:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 14:38:55 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 14:05:20 UTC+1, Richard Tobin wrote:
>> >> In article <f605f9df-4ac4-4032...@googlegroups.com>,
>> >> whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> I frequently log in to co-workers' Macs
>> >> >> using ssh. They're not set up to run the graphical interface for
>> >> >> multiple users on multiple screens (though I wouldn't be surprised if
>> >> >> it can be done), but nor are many other multi-user systems.
>> >>
>> >> >Yes I have used Timbuktu software a few times. A friend used to to
>> >> >remotly administer 6 Mac minis in thailand. But mainframes which are
>> >> >true multi-user systems where 100s can log on and run programs
>> >> >because that is what it was designed to do.
>> >> Very few multi-user systems are mainframes.
>> >
>> > Some are refered to as minis, but not many if any are micros.
>> >
>> >> For example, the computer
>> >> servers we use here are just rack-mounted Linux boxes.
>> >
>> > Why do you call them servers why not just hard disc arrays.
>> Because they have a processor.
>
> PCs, Macs, all have drives and processors and memory

But a disk array does not, or only a very rudimentary one. All it can do is store. You do what a networked RAID box is?

>> > or why not just use a PC or a Mac ?
>> Because he's a geek?
>> >> Would you
>> >> suggest that they are not multi-user systems? You can do exactly the
>> >> same with a Mac.
>> >
>> > But not effectively, otherwise they'd be no need for mainframes or minis or anythng else .
>> They're just faster.
> and that's it is it. you forgot about price and physical size.

And your point is?

>> > But we all know there's no difference between a screwdriver and a hammer.
>> I often use the wrong tool if it happens to be to hand.
>
> Now there's a suprise.
> But what do you mean by the wrong tool.?

On that isn't so good, but will manage and is easier than going to get the "right" one.

>> > Same with a bus and a car no differnce both carry people from point A to point B
>> I've used my car to carry one metric tonne of ballast. Was fun getting it to go over the speedbumps.
>
> Have you ever tried getting one metric tonne of ballast on a bus ?

No, but I know someone who successfully took a wardrobe on a bus. I think they used the nigger entrance.

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On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 13:15:33 +0100, whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, 11 April 2022 at 12:37:35 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 12:09:21 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Saturday, 9 April 2022 at 00:54:53 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 12:39:26 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Wednesday, 6 April 2022 at 23:20:02 UTC+1, Richard Tobin wrote:
>> >> >> In article <de8cdc39-c872-425d...@googlegroups.com>,
>> >> >> whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> Personal computers have been multi-user systems for decades.
>> >> >> > Then multi-users computers are personal computers then.
>> >> >> Some are. I wouldn't call an IBM mainframe a personal computer.
>> >> >
>> >> > Me neither but it depends on what they are designed for.
>> >> > Yesterday I went up to one of our robotics engineering students who was using a screwdriver
>> >> > handle to hammer a nail in a piece of plywood.
>> >> Was he successfull?
>> >
>> > I think so, I told him I have hammers in my office if he needs a real hammer.
>> The tool is in the eye of the beholder.
>> >> >> >Or in the real world multi-user computers :-
>> >> >> >Refers to computer systems that support two or more simultaneous users.
>> >> >> Macs certainly fall into that category. You can easily have dozens of
>> >> >> users logged in to a Mac.
>> >> >
>> >> > you can have dozens100s of watchers around an iMac screen but it doesn't make it a cinema.
>> >> >
>> >> >> I frequently log in to co-workers' Macs
>> >> >> using ssh. They're not set up to run the graphical interface for
>> >> >> multiple users on multiple screens (though I wouldn't be surprised if
>> >> >> it can be done), but nor are many other multi-user systems.
>> >> >
>> >> > Yes I have used Timbuktu software a few times.
>> >> > A friend used to to remotly administer 6 Mac minis in thailand.
>> >> > But mainframes which are true multi-user systems where 100s can log on and run
>> >> > programs because that is what it was designed to do.
>> >> I can have 100s of users logging into a Windows PC on the network if I wish.
>> >
>> > and doing what ?
>> Anything you would do if it was your own PC.
>
> So they can all use the copy of Word on the PC can they ?

Yes, more than one person can use a PC at once. Each user is in their own seperate space and uses their own apps. Can a Mac not do that?

> Seems strange to me that anyone could log on and use word for free , we had to buy a site license to put it on every Mac & PC
> that we wanted to, whenh we could have just bought one copy and shared it.

Yes you could have bought one. But it would run on one computer. 1000 people could have used that at once, but the poor computer would have been a bit slow.

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> >
> > So they can all use the copy of Word on the PC can they ?
>
> Yes, more than one person can use a PC at once. Each user is in their own
> seperate space and uses their own apps. Can a Mac not do that?

of course it can, long before pcs could.

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In article <e6caa4b4-edbd-419f-8593-5df8a8527591n@googlegroups.com>,
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> > > >On a mainframe you'd have just ONE copy of an application and 100s of
> > > >people could have that running. I used to run a minicomputer that
> > > >was called codata and multi-user system well 8 on ours. You'd have
> > > >ONE text editor and all 8 workstations could use it at the same time.
> > >
> > > It's true, MacOS X is not a 1960s timesharing system.
> > given that unix began life in the 1960s, it is, still with a lot of the
> > limitations put in place due to 1960s era technology.
>
> Unix has been updated I think the Unix that apple users is from 2008
> Don't forget like linux they implement unix at a point in time and are
> generally compatable up to a point.

it's still a 1960s operating system at its core.

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On Monday, 11 April 2022 at 13:39:50 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 13:11:22 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, 9 April 2022 at 00:56:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 14:38:55 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 14:05:20 UTC+1, Richard Tobin wrote:
> >> >> In article <f605f9df-4ac4-4032...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> >> whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> I frequently log in to co-workers' Macs
> >> >> >> using ssh. They're not set up to run the graphical interface for
> >> >> >> multiple users on multiple screens (though I wouldn't be surprised if
> >> >> >> it can be done), but nor are many other multi-user systems.
> >> >>
> >> >> >Yes I have used Timbuktu software a few times. A friend used to to
> >> >> >remotly administer 6 Mac minis in thailand. But mainframes which are
> >> >> >true multi-user systems where 100s can log on and run programs
> >> >> >because that is what it was designed to do.
> >> >> Very few multi-user systems are mainframes.
> >> >
> >> > Some are refered to as minis, but not many if any are micros.
> >> >
> >> >> For example, the computer
> >> >> servers we use here are just rack-mounted Linux boxes.
> >> >
> >> > Why do you call them servers why not just hard disc arrays.
> >> Because they have a processor.
> >
> > PCs, Macs, all have drives and processors and memory
> But a disk array does not, or only a very rudimentary one. All it can do is store.

That's all any disc can do, it can;t make tea it's a disc.

>You do what a networked RAID box is?

And how does that make any differnce to what it does.

> >> > or why not just use a PC or a Mac ?
> >> Because he's a geek?
> >> >> Would you
> >> >> suggest that they are not multi-user systems? You can do exactly the
> >> >> same with a Mac.
> >> >
> >> > But not effectively, otherwise they'd be no need for mainframes or minis or anythng else .
> >> They're just faster.
> > and that's it is it. you forgot about price and physical size.
> And your point is?

That you don't know what you are talking about.

> >> > But we all know there's no difference between a screwdriver and a hammer.
> >> I often use the wrong tool if it happens to be to hand.
> >
> > Now there's a suprise.
> > But what do you mean by the wrong tool.?
> On that isn't so good, but will manage and is easier than going to get the "right" one.

Which is why people either by a PC or Mac or a mainframe or a supercomputer.

> >> > Same with a bus and a car no differnce both carry people from point A to point B
> >> I've used my car to carry one metric tonne of ballast. Was fun getting it to go over the speedbumps.
> >
> > Have you ever tried getting one metric tonne of ballast on a bus ?
> No, but I know someone who successfully took a wardrobe on a bus. I think they used the nigger entrance.

So a bus is now a delivery van or lorry.

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On Monday, 11 April 2022 at 14:10:44 UTC+1, nospam wrote:
> In article <e6caa4b4-edbd-419f...@googlegroups.com>,
> whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > >On a mainframe you'd have just ONE copy of an application and 100s of
> > > > >people could have that running. I used to run a minicomputer that
> > > > >was called codata and multi-user system well 8 on ours. You'd have
> > > > >ONE text editor and all 8 workstations could use it at the same time.
> > > >
> > > > It's true, MacOS X is not a 1960s timesharing system.
> > > given that unix began life in the 1960s, it is, still with a lot of the
> > > limitations put in place due to 1960s era technology.
> >
> > Unix has been updated I think the Unix that apple users is from 2008
> > Don't forget like linux they implement unix at a point in time and are
> > generally compatable up to a point.
> it's still a 1960s operating system at its core.

So, very few peolpe use it at it''s core, very few people write assembly language,
even fewer type in hex bit to memory locations , but at it's core all programming come down to 1 & 0s
true or false, or a particular level of potential differnce .
And the first computer progamme was written in 1843 long before unix.

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On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 14:53:52 +0100, whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, 11 April 2022 at 13:39:50 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 13:11:22 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Saturday, 9 April 2022 at 00:56:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 14:38:55 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 14:05:20 UTC+1, Richard Tobin wrote:
>> >> >> In article <f605f9df-4ac4-4032...@googlegroups.com>,
>> >> >> whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> I frequently log in to co-workers' Macs
>> >> >> >> using ssh. They're not set up to run the graphical interface for
>> >> >> >> multiple users on multiple screens (though I wouldn't be surprised if
>> >> >> >> it can be done), but nor are many other multi-user systems.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Yes I have used Timbuktu software a few times. A friend used to to
>> >> >> >remotly administer 6 Mac minis in thailand. But mainframes which are
>> >> >> >true multi-user systems where 100s can log on and run programs
>> >> >> >because that is what it was designed to do.
>> >> >> Very few multi-user systems are mainframes.
>> >> >
>> >> > Some are refered to as minis, but not many if any are micros.
>> >> >
>> >> >> For example, the computer
>> >> >> servers we use here are just rack-mounted Linux boxes.
>> >> >
>> >> > Why do you call them servers why not just hard disc arrays.
>> >> Because they have a processor.
>> >
>> > PCs, Macs, all have drives and processors and memory
>> But a disk array does not, or only a very rudimentary one. All it can do is store.
>
> That's all any disc can do, it can;t make tea it's a disc.

So why do you want to call a server a disk?

>> You do what a networked RAID box is?
>
> And how does that make any differnce to what it does.

Because you refused to call "the computer servers we use here are just rack-mounted Linux boxes" servers, you said they were disks.

>> >> > or why not just use a PC or a Mac ?
>> >> Because he's a geek?
>> >> >> Would you
>> >> >> suggest that they are not multi-user systems? You can do exactly the
>> >> >> same with a Mac.
>> >> >
>> >> > But not effectively, otherwise they'd be no need for mainframes or minis or anythng else .
>> >> They're just faster.
>> > and that's it is it. you forgot about price and physical size.
>> And your point is?
>
> That you don't know what you are talking about.

What exactly have I got wrong?

>> >> > But we all know there's no difference between a screwdriver and a hammer.
>> >> I often use the wrong tool if it happens to be to hand.
>> >
>> > Now there's a suprise.
>> > But what do you mean by the wrong tool.?
>> On that isn't so good, but will manage and is easier than going to get the "right" one.
>
> Which is why people either by a PC or Mac or a mainframe or a supercomputer.

Hardly anyone has a supercomputer, except say the US Dept of Energy. They have something with 25,000 GPUs.

>> >> > Same with a bus and a car no differnce both carry people from point A to point B
>> >> I've used my car to carry one metric tonne of ballast. Was fun getting it to go over the speedbumps.
>> >
>> > Have you ever tried getting one metric tonne of ballast on a bus ?
>> No, but I know someone who successfully took a wardrobe on a bus. I think they used the nigger entrance.
>
> So a bus is now a delivery van or lorry.

It can be.

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In article <94506ae6-c1b8-45d6-aa21-79a71bdfc2ddn@googlegroups.com>,
whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Unix has been updated I think the Unix that apple users is from 2008
> > > Don't forget like linux they implement unix at a point in time and are
> > > generally compatable up to a point.
> > it's still a 1960s operating system at its core.
>
> So, very few peolpe use it at it''s core,

everyone who uses unix does.

it's impossible to use unix without the core of it functioning.

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On Tuesday, 12 April 2022 at 15:38:35 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 14:53:52 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Monday, 11 April 2022 at 13:39:50 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 13:11:22 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Saturday, 9 April 2022 at 00:56:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 14:38:55 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 14:05:20 UTC+1, Richard Tobin wrote:
> >> >> >> In article <f605f9df-4ac4-4032...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> >> >> whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> I frequently log in to co-workers' Macs
> >> >> >> >> using ssh. They're not set up to run the graphical interface for
> >> >> >> >> multiple users on multiple screens (though I wouldn't be surprised if
> >> >> >> >> it can be done), but nor are many other multi-user systems.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >Yes I have used Timbuktu software a few times. A friend used to to
> >> >> >> >remotly administer 6 Mac minis in thailand. But mainframes which are
> >> >> >> >true multi-user systems where 100s can log on and run programs
> >> >> >> >because that is what it was designed to do.
> >> >> >> Very few multi-user systems are mainframes.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Some are refered to as minis, but not many if any are micros.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> For example, the computer
> >> >> >> servers we use here are just rack-mounted Linux boxes.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Why do you call them servers why not just hard disc arrays.
> >> >> Because they have a processor.
> >> >
> >> > PCs, Macs, all have drives and processors and memory
> >> But a disk array does not, or only a very rudimentary one. All it can do is store.
> >
> > That's all any disc can do, it can;t make tea it's a disc.
> So why do you want to call a server a disk?

I don't. I can call the discs in my computer anything I want I can call it dave in fact
one of my discs is called dave.
I can't rename any of the network discs , even though I can store stuff on them.

> >> You do what a networked RAID box is?
> >
> > And how does that make any differnce to what it does.
> Because you refused to call "the computer servers we use here are just rack-mounted Linux boxes" servers, you said they were disks.

Because that's what they are to the user(s) . I don't know exactly what they are or what type.
They are most likely rack mounted but they could be running under windows.
It's all done by IT services.
They could be SSDs although I doubt it. But then again SSDs are drives not discs discs are sort of circular
like an old record, but most SSDs seem to be oblong or square, so why call them disks.

I heard at the weekend from a tech cast that honey can be used as a memristor.
Sweet!

> >> >> > or why not just use a PC or a Mac ?
> >> >> Because he's a geek?
> >> >> >> Would you
> >> >> >> suggest that they are not multi-user systems? You can do exactly the
> >> >> >> same with a Mac.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > But not effectively, otherwise they'd be no need for mainframes or minis or anythng else .
> >> >> "They're just faster."
> >> > and that's it is it. you forgot about price and physical size.
> >> And your point is?
> >
> > That you don't know what you are talking about.
> What exactly have I got wrong?

"They're just faster." There's more to it than that.
My iMac is much faster than my Macmini

> >> >> > But we all know there's no difference between a screwdriver and a hammer.
> >> >> I often use the wrong tool if it happens to be to hand.
> >> >
> >> > Now there's a suprise.
> >> > But what do you mean by the wrong tool.?
> >> On that isn't so good, but will manage and is easier than going to get the "right" one.
> >
> > Which is why people either by a PC or Mac or a mainframe or a supercomputer.
> Hardly anyone has a supercomputer, except say the US Dept of Energy.

There are quite a few coiuntries that have one but they aren't personal computers that are "They're just faster."

>They have something with 25,000 GPUs.

Som there's more to distiguish types of computers than just how fast they are.

> >> >> > Same with a bus and a car no differnce both carry people from point A to point B
> >> >> I've used my car to carry one metric tonne of ballast. Was fun getting it to go over the speedbumps.
> >> >
> >> > Have you ever tried getting one metric tonne of ballast on a bus ?
> >> No, but I know someone who successfully took a wardrobe on a bus. I think they used the nigger entrance.
> >
> > So a bus is now a delivery van or lorry.
> It can be.

Yep but london transport seem to buy these things with lots of seats in them, where as
lorries only have a couple of seats.
I dont; even think a bus driver is allowed to drive a big lorry or a HGV driver is allowed to drive a bus.

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On Tuesday, 12 April 2022 at 15:52:59 UTC+1, nospam wrote:
> In article <94506ae6-c1b8-45d6...@googlegroups.com>,
> whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Unix has been updated I think the Unix that apple users is from 2008
> > > > Don't forget like linux they implement unix at a point in time and are
> > > > generally compatable up to a point.
> > > it's still a 1960s operating system at its core.
> >
> > So, very few peolpe use it at it''s core,
> everyone who uses unix does.
>
> it's impossible to use unix without the core of it functioning.
So who are these people. The only ones I know of are IT services none of our students use unix except on one course
where they learn about it.

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On 12 Apr 2022 at 15:01:15 BST, whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> So, very few peolpe use it at it''s core, very few people write assembly language,
> even fewer type in hex bit to memory locations , but at it's core all programming come down to 1 & 0s
> true or false, or a particular level of potential differnce .

Have you been stealing apo'strophe's from Jim and u'sing them inappropriately?

--
Tim

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On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 16:14:06 +0100, whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, 12 April 2022 at 15:38:35 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 14:53:52 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Monday, 11 April 2022 at 13:39:50 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 13:11:22 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Saturday, 9 April 2022 at 00:56:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 14:38:55 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 14:05:20 UTC+1, Richard Tobin wrote:
>> >> >> >> In article <f605f9df-4ac4-4032...@googlegroups.com>,
>> >> >> >> whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> I frequently log in to co-workers' Macs
>> >> >> >> >> using ssh. They're not set up to run the graphical interface for
>> >> >> >> >> multiple users on multiple screens (though I wouldn't be surprised if
>> >> >> >> >> it can be done), but nor are many other multi-user systems.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >Yes I have used Timbuktu software a few times. A friend used to to
>> >> >> >> >remotly administer 6 Mac minis in thailand. But mainframes which are
>> >> >> >> >true multi-user systems where 100s can log on and run programs
>> >> >> >> >because that is what it was designed to do.
>> >> >> >> Very few multi-user systems are mainframes.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Some are refered to as minis, but not many if any are micros.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> For example, the computer
>> >> >> >> servers we use here are just rack-mounted Linux boxes.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Why do you call them servers why not just hard disc arrays.
>> >> >> Because they have a processor.
>> >> >
>> >> > PCs, Macs, all have drives and processors and memory
>> >> But a disk array does not, or only a very rudimentary one. All it can do is store.
>> >
>> > That's all any disc can do, it can;t make tea it's a disc.
>> So why do you want to call a server a disk?
>
> I don't. I can call the discs in my computer anything I want

IN your computer. Above you wanted to call a whole server a disk.

> I can call it dave in fact one of my discs is called dave.

After the Sky channel?

> I can't rename any of the network discs , even though I can store stuff on them.

Ah, you're a minion.

>> >> You do what a networked RAID box is?
>> >
>> > And how does that make any differnce to what it does.
>> Because you refused to call "the computer servers we use here are just rack-mounted Linux boxes" servers, you said they were disks.
>
> Because that's what they are to the user(s) . I don't know exactly what they are or what type.
> They are most likely rack mounted but they could be running under windows.
> It's all done by IT services.

Bad idea. Make your own servers.

> They could be SSDs although I doubt it. But then again SSDs are drives not discs discs are sort of circular
> like an old record, but most SSDs seem to be oblong or square, so why call them disks.

Because they do the same thing. Actually officially hey are "drives" - not sure what drive refers to as drive means either to operate a motor vehicle or to push a thing into another thing, like with a drill.

> I heard at the weekend from a tech cast that honey can be used as a memristor.
> Sweet!

If it's sweet, that means you ate it, which destroys the data integrity.

So at what density can this store data? And does it matter which species of bee is used?

>> >> >> > or why not just use a PC or a Mac ?
>> >> >> Because he's a geek?
>> >> >> >> Would you
>> >> >> >> suggest that they are not multi-user systems? You can do exactly the
>> >> >> >> same with a Mac.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > But not effectively, otherwise they'd be no need for mainframes or minis or anythng else .
>> >> >> "They're just faster."
>> >> > and that's it is it. you forgot about price and physical size.
>> >> And your point is?
>> >
>> > That you don't know what you are talking about.
>> What exactly have I got wrong?
>
> "They're just faster." There's more to it than that.
> My iMac is much faster than my Macmini

My point is there's no need for distinction between server, mainframe, desktop. They can all do each other's work, and in a few years the small ones will be as powerful as the big ones.

In 1982 when I had a ZX Spectrum, people referred to the "MIP" as a fast supercomputer. A million calculations per second! But now I have between my home computers 30 trillion calculations per second, 30,000,000 times faster, although it does use 13 amps and create enough heat to open the window in winter.

>> >> >> > But we all know there's no difference between a screwdriver and a hammer.
>> >> >> I often use the wrong tool if it happens to be to hand.
>> >> >
>> >> > Now there's a suprise.
>> >> > But what do you mean by the wrong tool.?
>> >> On that isn't so good, but will manage and is easier than going to get the "right" one.
>> >
>> > Which is why people either by a PC or Mac or a mainframe or a supercomputer.
>> Hardly anyone has a supercomputer, except say the US Dept of Energy.
>
> There are quite a few coiuntries that have one but they aren't personal computers that are "They're just faster."

Bigger, faster, more power, where do you draw the line? What would you call my collection of 9 CPUs and 7 GPUs?

>> They have something with 25,000 GPUs.
>
> Som there's more to distiguish types of computers than just how fast they are.
>
>> >> >> > Same with a bus and a car no differnce both carry people from point A to point B
>> >> >> I've used my car to carry one metric tonne of ballast. Was fun getting it to go over the speedbumps.
>> >> >
>> >> > Have you ever tried getting one metric tonne of ballast on a bus ?
>> >> No, but I know someone who successfully took a wardrobe on a bus. I think they used the nigger entrance.
>> >
>> > So a bus is now a delivery van or lorry.
>> It can be.
>
> Yep but london transport seem to buy these things with lots of seats in them, where as
> lorries only have a couple of seats.

Take the seats out and it's a campervan.

> I dont; even think a bus driver is allowed to drive a big lorry or a HGV driver is allowed to drive a bus.

I think one way is ok. There's extra shit to learn for passenger softy.

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On Wednesday, 13 April 2022 at 05:48:32 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 16:14:06 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, 12 April 2022 at 15:38:35 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 14:53:52 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Monday, 11 April 2022 at 13:39:50 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 13:11:22 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Saturday, 9 April 2022 at 00:56:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 14:38:55 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 14:05:20 UTC+1, Richard Tobin wrote:
> >> >> >> >> In article <f605f9df-4ac4-4032...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> >> >> >> whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> I frequently log in to co-workers' Macs
> >> >> >> >> >> using ssh. They're not set up to run the graphical interface for
> >> >> >> >> >> multiple users on multiple screens (though I wouldn't be surprised if
> >> >> >> >> >> it can be done), but nor are many other multi-user systems..
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >Yes I have used Timbuktu software a few times. A friend used to to
> >> >> >> >> >remotly administer 6 Mac minis in thailand. But mainframes which are
> >> >> >> >> >true multi-user systems where 100s can log on and run programs
> >> >> >> >> >because that is what it was designed to do.
> >> >> >> >> Very few multi-user systems are mainframes.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Some are refered to as minis, but not many if any are micros.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> For example, the computer
> >> >> >> >> servers we use here are just rack-mounted Linux boxes.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Why do you call them servers why not just hard disc arrays.
> >> >> >> Because they have a processor.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > PCs, Macs, all have drives and processors and memory
> >> >> But a disk array does not, or only a very rudimentary one. All it can do is store.
> >> >
> >> > That's all any disc can do, it can;t make tea it's a disc.
> >> So why do you want to call a server a disk?
> >
> > I don't. I can call the discs in my computer anything I want
> IN your computer. Above you wanted to call a whole server a disk.

Where did I say that.?

> > I can call it dave in fact one of my discs is called dave.
> After the Sky channel?

It's owned by the BBC not Sky.

> > I can't rename any of the network discs , even though I can store stuff on them.
> Ah, you're a minion.

Pretty much everyone else who uses them are minions too.

> >> >> You do what a networked RAID box is?
> >> >
> >> > And how does that make any differnce to what it does.
> >> Because you refused to call "the computer servers we use here are just rack-mounted Linux boxes" servers, you said they were disks.
> >
> > Because that's what they are to the user(s) . I don't know exactly what they are or what type.
> > They are most likely rack mounted but they could be running under windows.
> > It's all done by IT services.
> Bad idea. Make your own servers.

What out of double sided tape.
What idiot would make their own servers.
I wouldn't make my own shoes for teh same reason.

> > They could be SSDs although I doubt it. But then again SSDs are drives not discs discs are sort of circular
> > like an old record, but most SSDs seem to be oblong or square, so why call them disks.
> Because they do the same thing. Actually officially hey are "drives" - not sure what drive refers to as drive means either to operate a motor vehicle or to push a thing into another thing, like with a drill.

Yep which is why it's good to name something correctly, or descriptive to it's use.

> > I heard at the weekend from a tech cast that honey can be used as a memristor.
> > Sweet!
> If it's sweet, that means you ate it, which destroys the data integrity.

Sweet hasn't the same meaning as eat.
You seem to be getting words and meanings confused again.

>
> So at what density can this store data? And does it matter which species of bee is used?

No idea they didn;t go into those details.
It;s all here if yuor interested enough to see the details.
I assume you'll be colelcting honey to make your own chips soon.
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1361-6463/ac585b

> >> >> >> > or why not just use a PC or a Mac ?
> >> >> >> Because he's a geek?
> >> >> >> >> Would you
> >> >> >> >> suggest that they are not multi-user systems? You can do exactly the
> >> >> >> >> same with a Mac.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > But not effectively, otherwise they'd be no need for mainframes or minis or anythng else .
> >> >> >> "They're just faster."
> >> >> > and that's it is it. you forgot about price and physical size.
> >> >> And your point is?
> >> >
> >> > That you don't know what you are talking about.
> >> What exactly have I got wrong?
> >
> > "They're just faster." There's more to it than that.
> > My iMac is much faster than my Macmini
> My point is there's no need for distinction between server, mainframe, desktop. They can all do each other's work, and in a few years the small ones will be as powerful as the big ones.

and the big ones will be more powerful still.
So seems you can't tell the difference between a mainsframe a desktop and a laptop can they can all do the same.
So to store the NHS patient records for the UK can be done on a laptop, and any doctor can access this laptop
because it's a mulit-user device.

> In 1982 when I had a ZX Spectrum, people referred to the "MIP" as a fast supercomputer. A million calculations per second! But now I have between my home computers 30 trillion calculations per second, 30,000,000 times faster, although it does use 13 amps and create enough heat to open the window in winter.

So your computer is just the same as a central heating system because both give out heat.

> >> >> >> > But we all know there's no difference between a screwdriver and a hammer.
> >> >> >> I often use the wrong tool if it happens to be to hand.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Now there's a suprise.
> >> >> > But what do you mean by the wrong tool.?
> >> >> On that isn't so good, but will manage and is easier than going to get the "right" one.
> >> >
> >> > Which is why people either by a PC or Mac or a mainframe or a supercomputer.
> >> Hardly anyone has a supercomputer, except say the US Dept of Energy.
> >
> > There are quite a few coiuntries that have one but they aren't personal computers that are "They're just faster."
> Bigger, faster, more power, where do you draw the line? What would you call my collection of 9 CPUs and 7 GPUs?

A hobby, but I'd hardly call it that a passtime perhaps. 9 is hardly a lot, I had 2+ on my in my BBC with 2nd processor and
teletext box in the mid 1980s.
But why differenciate bewteen CPU and GPU it's just a Load of Transistors Doing Stuff maybe call them all LTDS chips.

> >> They have something with 25,000 GPUs.
> >
> > Som there's more to distiguish types of computers than just how fast they are.
> >
> >> >> >> > Same with a bus and a car no differnce both carry people from point A to point B
> >> >> >> I've used my car to carry one metric tonne of ballast. Was fun getting it to go over the speedbumps.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Have you ever tried getting one metric tonne of ballast on a bus ?
> >> >> No, but I know someone who successfully took a wardrobe on a bus. I think they used the nigger entrance.
> >> >
> >> > So a bus is now a delivery van or lorry.
> >> It can be.
> >
> > Yep but london transport seem to buy these things with lots of seats in them, where as
> > lorries only have a couple of seats.
> Take the seats out and it's a campervan.


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On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 11:59:14 +0100, whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, 13 April 2022 at 05:48:32 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 16:14:06 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Tuesday, 12 April 2022 at 15:38:35 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 14:53:52 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Monday, 11 April 2022 at 13:39:50 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 13:11:22 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On Saturday, 9 April 2022 at 00:56:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 14:38:55 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 14:05:20 UTC+1, Richard Tobin wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> In article <f605f9df-4ac4-4032...@googlegroups.com>,
>> >> >> >> >> whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> I frequently log in to co-workers' Macs
>> >> >> >> >> >> using ssh. They're not set up to run the graphical interface for
>> >> >> >> >> >> multiple users on multiple screens (though I wouldn't be surprised if
>> >> >> >> >> >> it can be done), but nor are many other multi-user systems.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >Yes I have used Timbuktu software a few times. A friend used to to
>> >> >> >> >> >remotly administer 6 Mac minis in thailand. But mainframes which are
>> >> >> >> >> >true multi-user systems where 100s can log on and run programs
>> >> >> >> >> >because that is what it was designed to do.
>> >> >> >> >> Very few multi-user systems are mainframes.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Some are refered to as minis, but not many if any are micros.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> For example, the computer
>> >> >> >> >> servers we use here are just rack-mounted Linux boxes.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Why do you call them servers why not just hard disc arrays.
>> >> >> >> Because they have a processor.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > PCs, Macs, all have drives and processors and memory
>> >> >> But a disk array does not, or only a very rudimentary one. All it can do is store.
>> >> >
>> >> > That's all any disc can do, it can;t make tea it's a disc.
>> >> So why do you want to call a server a disk?
>> >
>> > I don't. I can call the discs in my computer anything I want
>> IN your computer. Above you wanted to call a whole server a disk.
>
> Where did I say that.?

Up there, still quoted: "Why do you call them servers why not just hard disc arrays."

>> > I can call it dave in fact one of my discs is called dave.
>> After the Sky channel?
>
> It's owned by the BBC not Sky.

The BBC doesn't own anything, it's a theiving organisation taking your license fee to do as they wish, even if you don't watch their channels.

>> > I can't rename any of the network discs , even though I can store stuff on them.
>> Ah, you're a minion.
>
> Pretty much everyone else who uses them are minions too.

I set up my own.

>> >> >> You do what a networked RAID box is?
>> >> >
>> >> > And how does that make any differnce to what it does.
>> >> Because you refused to call "the computer servers we use here are just rack-mounted Linux boxes" servers, you said they were disks.
>> >
>> > Because that's what they are to the user(s) . I don't know exactly what they are or what type.
>> > They are most likely rack mounted but they could be running under windows.
>> > It's all done by IT services.
>> Bad idea. Make your own servers.
>
> What out of double sided tape.
> What idiot would make their own servers.
> I wouldn't make my own shoes for teh same reason.

When I said make, obviously I meant you buy the parts from Scan etc.

>> > They could be SSDs although I doubt it. But then again SSDs are drives not discs discs are sort of circular
>> > like an old record, but most SSDs seem to be oblong or square, so why call them disks.
>> Because they do the same thing. Actually officially hey are "drives" - not sure what drive refers to as drive means either to operate a motor vehicle or to push a thing into another thing, like with a drill.
>
> Yep which is why it's good to name something correctly, or descriptive to it's use.

So what would you name an SSD?

>> > I heard at the weekend from a tech cast that honey can be used as a memristor.
>> > Sweet!
>> If it's sweet, that means you ate it, which destroys the data integrity.
>
> Sweet hasn't the same meaning as eat.
> You seem to be getting words and meanings confused again.

The only meaning of sweet I use is for tasty food.

>> So at what density can this store data? And does it matter which species of bee is used?
>
> No idea they didn;t go into those details.
> It;s all here if yuor interested enough to see the details.
> I assume you'll be colelcting honey to make your own chips soon.
> https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1361-6463/ac585b

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>> >> >> >> > or why not just use a PC or a Mac ?
>> >> >> >> Because he's a geek?
>> >> >> >> >> Would you
>> >> >> >> >> suggest that they are not multi-user systems? You can do exactly the
>> >> >> >> >> same with a Mac.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > But not effectively, otherwise they'd be no need for mainframes or minis or anythng else .
>> >> >> >> "They're just faster."
>> >> >> > and that's it is it. you forgot about price and physical size.
>> >> >> And your point is?
>> >> >
>> >> > That you don't know what you are talking about.
>> >> What exactly have I got wrong?
>> >
>> > "They're just faster." There's more to it than that.
>> > My iMac is much faster than my Macmini
>> My point is there's no need for distinction between server, mainframe, desktop. They can all do each other's work, and in a few years the small ones will be as powerful as the big ones.
>
> and the big ones will be more powerful still.
> So seems you can't tell the difference between a mainsframe a desktop and a laptop can they can all do the same.
> So to store the NHS patient records for the UK can be done on a laptop, and any doctor can access this laptop
> because it's a mulit-user device.

There is no line drawn. It's like a car, a fast car, and a faster car.

>> In 1982 when I had a ZX Spectrum, people referred to the "MIP" as a fast supercomputer. A million calculations per second! But now I have between my home computers 30 trillion calculations per second, 30,000,000 times faster, although it does use 13 amps and create enough heat to open the window in winter.
>
> So your computer is just the same as a central heating system because both give out heat.

No, the central heating system would do no calculations.

And it's technically 7 computers although they can be controlled as one.

>> >> >> >> > But we all know there's no difference between a screwdriver and a hammer.
>> >> >> >> I often use the wrong tool if it happens to be to hand.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Now there's a suprise.
>> >> >> > But what do you mean by the wrong tool.?
>> >> >> On that isn't so good, but will manage and is easier than going to get the "right" one.
>> >> >
>> >> > Which is why people either by a PC or Mac or a mainframe or a supercomputer.
>> >> Hardly anyone has a supercomputer, except say the US Dept of Energy.
>> >
>> > There are quite a few coiuntries that have one but they aren't personal computers that are "They're just faster."
>> Bigger, faster, more power, where do you draw the line? What would you call my collection of 9 CPUs and 7 GPUs?
>
> A hobby, but I'd hardly call it that a passtime perhaps. 9 is hardly a lot, I had 2+ on my in my BBC with 2nd processor and
> teletext box in the mid 1980s.


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On Thursday, 14 April 2022 at 12:24:33 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 11:59:14 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, 13 April 2022 at 05:48:32 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 16:14:06 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Tuesday, 12 April 2022 at 15:38:35 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 14:53:52 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Monday, 11 April 2022 at 13:39:50 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> >> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 13:11:22 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > On Saturday, 9 April 2022 at 00:56:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 14:38:55 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 14:05:20 UTC+1, Richard Tobin wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> In article <f605f9df-4ac4-4032...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> >> >> >> >> whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> I frequently log in to co-workers' Macs
> >> >> >> >> >> >> using ssh. They're not set up to run the graphical interface for
> >> >> >> >> >> >> multiple users on multiple screens (though I wouldn't be surprised if
> >> >> >> >> >> >> it can be done), but nor are many other multi-user systems.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >Yes I have used Timbuktu software a few times. A friend used to to
> >> >> >> >> >> >remotly administer 6 Mac minis in thailand. But mainframes which are
> >> >> >> >> >> >true multi-user systems where 100s can log on and run programs
> >> >> >> >> >> >because that is what it was designed to do.
> >> >> >> >> >> Very few multi-user systems are mainframes.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Some are refered to as minis, but not many if any are micros.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> For example, the computer
> >> >> >> >> >> servers we use here are just rack-mounted Linux boxes.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Why do you call them servers why not just hard disc arrays.
> >> >> >> >> Because they have a processor.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > PCs, Macs, all have drives and processors and memory
> >> >> >> But a disk array does not, or only a very rudimentary one. All it can do is store.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > That's all any disc can do, it can;t make tea it's a disc.
> >> >> So why do you want to call a server a disk?
> >> >
> >> > I don't. I can call the discs in my computer anything I want
> >> IN your computer. Above you wanted to call a whole server a disk.
> >
> > Where did I say that.?
> Up there, still quoted: "Why do you call them servers why not just hard disc arrays."

So you're saying theres no difernce beween a server and a set of discs .
When I print the file is sent to a print server, then I can go to almost any networked printer in the university
to collect my printout.

Well here we have print servers and file servers, we have servers for particular groups too.
One speciality server is mostly using GPUs .

> >> > I can call it dave in fact one of my discs is called dave.
> >> After the Sky channel?
> >
> > It's owned by the BBC not Sky.
> The BBC doesn't own anything, it's a theiving organisation taking your license fee to do as they wish, even if you don't watch their channels.

Dave is on freeview

> >> > I can't rename any of the network discs , even though I can store stuff on them.
> >> Ah, you're a minion.
> >
> > Pretty much everyone else who uses them are minions too.
> I set up my own.

What do you mean by your own, in my job the uni pays for them I dont; have to pay for them.
They pay for the imac & the printers and everything else why would I want to make my own ?

> >> >> >> You do what a networked RAID box is?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And how does that make any differnce to what it does.
> >> >> Because you refused to call "the computer servers we use here are just rack-mounted Linux boxes" servers, you said they were disks.
> >> >
> >> > Because that's what they are to the user(s) . I don't know exactly what they are or what type.
> >> > They are most likely rack mounted but they could be running under windows.
> >> > It's all done by IT services.
> >> Bad idea. Make your own servers.
> >
> > What out of double sided tape.
> > What idiot would make their own servers.
> > I wouldn't make my own shoes for teh same reason.
> When I said make, obviously I meant you buy the parts from Scan etc.

Why ?
I doun;t buy the chairs or the tables or anything else, so why should I buy 'servers'
and what is a server anyway I thought you claimed it just linux rack mounted discs.
Surely if you were going to buy such a thing it'd be linux rack mounted discs rather than servers.

> >> > They could be SSDs although I doubt it. But then again SSDs are drives not discs discs are sort of circular
> >> > like an old record, but most SSDs seem to be oblong or square, so why call them disks.
> >> Because they do the same thing. Actually officially hey are "drives" - not sure what drive refers to as drive means either to operate a motor vehicle or to push a thing into another thing, like with a drill.
> >
> > Yep which is why it's good to name something correctly, or descriptive to it's use.
> So what would you name an SSD?

Whatever I waned. SS Dave might be a good name.

> >> > I heard at the weekend from a tech cast that honey can be used as a memristor.
> >> > Sweet!
> >> If it's sweet, that means you ate it, which destroys the data integrity.
> >
> > Sweet hasn't the same meaning as eat.
> > You seem to be getting words and meanings confused again.
> The only meaning of sweet I use is for tasty food.

well there sweet FA.
Could be the name for a desert
There are sweet spot sensors,

not sure if sweet and tasty mean the same thing.
> >> So at what density can this store data? And does it matter which species of bee is used?
> >
> > No idea they didn;t go into those details.
> > It;s all here if yuor interested enough to see the details.
> > I assume you'll be colelcting honey to make your own chips soon.
> > https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1361-6463/ac585b
> Uh....
>
> "We apologize for the inconvenience...
> ...but your activity and behavior on this site made us think that you are a bot."

Ah they have sussed you.
I didn't get that as they must know I'm a real person.

> So I filled in the squares containing bicycles then only got the intro paragraph then this:
>
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Maybe here we have a subscription for librarary services.
> >> >> >> >> > or why not just use a PC or a Mac ?
> >> >> >> >> Because he's a geek?
> >> >> >> >> >> Would you
> >> >> >> >> >> suggest that they are not multi-user systems? You can do exactly the
> >> >> >> >> >> same with a Mac.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > But not effectively, otherwise they'd be no need for mainframes or minis or anythng else .
> >> >> >> >> "They're just faster."
> >> >> >> > and that's it is it. you forgot about price and physical size.
> >> >> >> And your point is?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > That you don't know what you are talking about.
> >> >> What exactly have I got wrong?
> >> >
> >> > "They're just faster." There's more to it than that.
> >> > My iMac is much faster than my Macmini
> >> My point is there's no need for distinction between server, mainframe, desktop. They can all do each other's work, and in a few years the small ones will be as powerful as the big ones.
> >
> > and the big ones will be more powerful still.
> > So seems you can't tell the difference between a mainsframe a desktop and a laptop can they can all do the same.
> > So to store the NHS patient records for the UK can be done on a laptop, and any doctor can access this laptop
> > because it's a mulit-user device.
> There is no line drawn. It's like a car, a fast car, and a faster car.


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On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 14:16:51 +0100, whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, 14 April 2022 at 12:24:33 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 11:59:14 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Wednesday, 13 April 2022 at 05:48:32 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 16:14:06 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Tuesday, 12 April 2022 at 15:38:35 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 14:53:52 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On Monday, 11 April 2022 at 13:39:50 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 13:11:22 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > On Saturday, 9 April 2022 at 00:56:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 14:38:55 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> > On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 14:05:20 UTC+1, Richard Tobin wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> In article <f605f9df-4ac4-4032...@googlegroups.com>,
>> >> >> >> >> >> whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> I frequently log in to co-workers' Macs
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> using ssh. They're not set up to run the graphical interface for
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> multiple users on multiple screens (though I wouldn't be surprised if
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> it can be done), but nor are many other multi-user systems.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >Yes I have used Timbuktu software a few times. A friend used to to
>> >> >> >> >> >> >remotly administer 6 Mac minis in thailand. But mainframes which are
>> >> >> >> >> >> >true multi-user systems where 100s can log on and run programs
>> >> >> >> >> >> >because that is what it was designed to do.
>> >> >> >> >> >> Very few multi-user systems are mainframes.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Some are refered to as minis, but not many if any are micros.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> For example, the computer
>> >> >> >> >> >> servers we use here are just rack-mounted Linux boxes.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Why do you call them servers why not just hard disc arrays.
>> >> >> >> >> Because they have a processor.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > PCs, Macs, all have drives and processors and memory
>> >> >> >> But a disk array does not, or only a very rudimentary one. All it can do is store.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > That's all any disc can do, it can;t make tea it's a disc.
>> >> >> So why do you want to call a server a disk?
>> >> >
>> >> > I don't. I can call the discs in my computer anything I want
>> >> IN your computer. Above you wanted to call a whole server a disk.
>> >
>> > Where did I say that.?
>> Up there, still quoted: "Why do you call them servers why not just hard disc arrays."
>
> So you're saying theres no difernce beween a server and a set of discs .
> When I print the file is sent to a print server, then I can go to almost any networked printer in the university
> to collect my printout.
>
> Well here we have print servers and file servers, we have servers for particular groups too.
> One speciality server is mostly using GPUs .

It's you, not me, that's calling a server a disk.

>> >> > I can call it dave in fact one of my discs is called dave.
>> >> After the Sky channel?
>> >
>> > It's owned by the BBC not Sky.
>> The BBC doesn't own anything, it's a theiving organisation taking your license fee to do as they wish, even if you don't watch their channels.
>
> Dave is on freeview

But the license fee....

>> >> > I can't rename any of the network discs , even though I can store stuff on them.
>> >> Ah, you're a minion.
>> >
>> > Pretty much everyone else who uses them are minions too.
>> I set up my own.
>
> What do you mean by your own, in my job the uni pays for them I dont; have to pay for them.
> They pay for the imac & the printers and everything else why would I want to make my own ?

Don't be so OCD, I mean paid for by them, but bought and operated by you.

>> >> >> >> You do what a networked RAID box is?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > And how does that make any differnce to what it does.
>> >> >> Because you refused to call "the computer servers we use here are just rack-mounted Linux boxes" servers, you said they were disks.
>> >> >
>> >> > Because that's what they are to the user(s) . I don't know exactly what they are or what type.
>> >> > They are most likely rack mounted but they could be running under windows.
>> >> > It's all done by IT services.
>> >> Bad idea. Make your own servers.
>> >
>> > What out of double sided tape.
>> > What idiot would make their own servers.
>> > I wouldn't make my own shoes for teh same reason.
>> When I said make, obviously I meant you buy the parts from Scan etc.
>
> Why ?
> I doun;t buy the chairs or the tables or anything else, so why should I buy 'servers'

What exactly do you do? You seem unwilling to take anything into your own hands.

> and what is a server anyway I thought you claimed it just linux rack mounted discs.

No, it was you that told somebody to call a server a disk.

> Surely if you were going to buy such a thing it'd be linux rack mounted discs rather than servers.

Depends what I wanted to use it for. My server stored files for professors, ran the interdepartmental Quake deathmatch, and was an FTP server for several thousand illegal pirate films.

>> >> > They could be SSDs although I doubt it. But then again SSDs are drives not discs discs are sort of circular
>> >> > like an old record, but most SSDs seem to be oblong or square, so why call them disks.
>> >> Because they do the same thing. Actually officially hey are "drives" - not sure what drive refers to as drive means either to operate a motor vehicle or to push a thing into another thing, like with a drill.
>> >
>> > Yep which is why it's good to name something correctly, or descriptive to it's use.
>> So what would you name an SSD?
>
> Whatever I waned. SS Dave might be a good name.

FFS! Stop being so precise. I obviously meant what would you call SSDs in general. Disk? Drive? What?

>> >> > I heard at the weekend from a tech cast that honey can be used as a memristor.
>> >> > Sweet!
>> >> If it's sweet, that means you ate it, which destroys the data integrity.
>> >
>> > Sweet hasn't the same meaning as eat.
>> > You seem to be getting words and meanings confused again.
>> The only meaning of sweet I use is for tasty food.
>
> well there sweet FA.

Maybe because it tastes nice to not have to do anything?

> Could be the name for a desert
> There are sweet spot sensors,
>
> not sure if sweet and tasty mean the same thing.

Just means perfect.

>> >> So at what density can this store data? And does it matter which species of bee is used?
>> >
>> > No idea they didn;t go into those details.
>> > It;s all here if yuor interested enough to see the details.
>> > I assume you'll be colelcting honey to make your own chips soon.
>> > https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1361-6463/ac585b
>> Uh....
>>
>> "We apologize for the inconvenience...
>> ...but your activity and behavior on this site made us think that you are a bot."
>
> Ah they have sussed you.
> I didn't get that as they must know I'm a real person.


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On Friday, 15 April 2022 at 08:11:45 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 14:16:51 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, 14 April 2022 at 12:24:33 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 11:59:14 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Wednesday, 13 April 2022 at 05:48:32 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 16:14:06 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Tuesday, 12 April 2022 at 15:38:35 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> >> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 14:53:52 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > On Monday, 11 April 2022 at 13:39:50 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 13:11:22 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > On Saturday, 9 April 2022 at 00:56:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 14:38:55 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> > On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 14:05:20 UTC+1, Richard Tobin wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> In article <f605f9df-4ac4-4032...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I frequently log in to co-workers' Macs
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> using ssh. They're not set up to run the graphical interface for
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> multiple users on multiple screens (though I wouldn't be surprised if
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> it can be done), but nor are many other multi-user systems.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Yes I have used Timbuktu software a few times. A friend used to to
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >remotly administer 6 Mac minis in thailand. But mainframes which are
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >true multi-user systems where 100s can log on and run programs
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >because that is what it was designed to do.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Very few multi-user systems are mainframes.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > Some are refered to as minis, but not many if any are micros.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> For example, the computer
> >> >> >> >> >> >> servers we use here are just rack-mounted Linux boxes.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > Why do you call them servers why not just hard disc arrays.
> >> >> >> >> >> Because they have a processor.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > PCs, Macs, all have drives and processors and memory
> >> >> >> >> But a disk array does not, or only a very rudimentary one. All it can do is store.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > That's all any disc can do, it can;t make tea it's a disc.
> >> >> >> So why do you want to call a server a disk?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I don't. I can call the discs in my computer anything I want
> >> >> IN your computer. Above you wanted to call a whole server a disk.
> >> >
> >> > Where did I say that.?
> >> Up there, still quoted: "Why do you call them servers why not just hard disc arrays."
> >
> > So you're saying theres no difernce beween a server and a set of discs ..
> > When I print the file is sent to a print server, then I can go to almost any networked printer in the university
> > to collect my printout.
> >
> > Well here we have print servers and file servers, we have servers for particular groups too.
> > One speciality server is mostly using GPUs .
> It's you, not me, that's calling a server a disk.
> >> >> > I can call it dave in fact one of my discs is called dave.
> >> >> After the Sky channel?
> >> >
> >> > It's owned by the BBC not Sky.
> >> The BBC doesn't own anything, it's a theiving organisation taking your license fee to do as they wish, even if you don't watch their channels.
> >
> > Dave is on freeview
> But the license fee....
> >> >> > I can't rename any of the network discs , even though I can store stuff on them.
> >> >> Ah, you're a minion.
> >> >
> >> > Pretty much everyone else who uses them are minions too.
> >> I set up my own.
> >
> > What do you mean by your own, in my job the uni pays for them I dont; have to pay for them.
> > They pay for the imac & the printers and everything else why would I want to make my own ?
> Don't be so OCD, I mean paid for by them, but bought and operated by you.
> >> >> >> >> You do what a networked RAID box is?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > And how does that make any differnce to what it does.
> >> >> >> Because you refused to call "the computer servers we use here are just rack-mounted Linux boxes" servers, you said they were disks.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Because that's what they are to the user(s) . I don't know exactly what they are or what type.
> >> >> > They are most likely rack mounted but they could be running under windows.
> >> >> > It's all done by IT services.
> >> >> Bad idea. Make your own servers.
> >> >
> >> > What out of double sided tape.
> >> > What idiot would make their own servers.
> >> > I wouldn't make my own shoes for teh same reason.
> >> When I said make, obviously I meant you buy the parts from Scan etc.
> >
> > Why ?
> > I doun;t buy the chairs or the tables or anything else, so why should I buy 'servers'
> What exactly do you do? You seem unwilling to take anything into your own hands.
> > and what is a server anyway I thought you claimed it just linux rack mounted discs.
> No, it was you that told somebody to call a server a disk.
> > Surely if you were going to buy such a thing it'd be linux rack mounted discs rather than servers.
> Depends what I wanted to use it for. My server stored files for professors, ran the interdepartmental Quake deathmatch, and was an FTP server for several thousand illegal pirate films.
> >> >> > They could be SSDs although I doubt it. But then again SSDs are drives not discs discs are sort of circular
> >> >> > like an old record, but most SSDs seem to be oblong or square, so why call them disks.
> >> >> Because they do the same thing. Actually officially hey are "drives" - not sure what drive refers to as drive means either to operate a motor vehicle or to push a thing into another thing, like with a drill.
> >> >
> >> > Yep which is why it's good to name something correctly, or descriptive to it's use.
> >> So what would you name an SSD?
> >
> > Whatever I waned. SS Dave might be a good name.
> FFS! Stop being so precise. I obviously meant what would you call SSDs in general. Disk? Drive? What?
> >> >> > I heard at the weekend from a tech cast that honey can be used as a memristor.
> >> >> > Sweet!
> >> >> If it's sweet, that means you ate it, which destroys the data integrity.
> >> >
> >> > Sweet hasn't the same meaning as eat.
> >> > You seem to be getting words and meanings confused again.
> >> The only meaning of sweet I use is for tasty food.
> >
> > well there sweet FA.
> Maybe because it tastes nice to not have to do anything?
> > Could be the name for a desert
> > There are sweet spot sensors,
> >
> > not sure if sweet and tasty mean the same thing.
> Just means perfect.
> >> >> So at what density can this store data? And does it matter which species of bee is used?
> >> >
> >> > No idea they didn;t go into those details.
> >> > It;s all here if yuor interested enough to see the details.
> >> > I assume you'll be colelcting honey to make your own chips soon.
> >> > https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1361-6463/ac585b
> >> Uh....
> >>
> >> "We apologize for the inconvenience...
> >> ...but your activity and behavior on this site made us think that you are a bot."
> >
> > Ah they have sussed you.
> > I didn't get that as they must know I'm a real person.
> Or you're connecting from a uni IP.
> >> So I filled in the squares containing bicycles then only got the intro paragraph then this:
> >>
> >> "The computer you are using is not registered by an institution with a subscription to this article. Please choose one of the options below.
> >>
> >> IOPscience login
> >> Find out more about journal subscriptions at your site.
> >>
> >> Purchase from
> >> Article Galaxy
> >> CCC RightFind
> >>
> >> Rent from
> >> Purchase this article on DeepDyve. Opens in new tab"
> >
> > Maybe here we have a subscription for librarary services.
> Probably.
> >> >> >> >> >> > or why not just use a PC or a Mac ?
> >> >> >> >> >> Because he's a geek?
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Would you
> >> >> >> >> >> >> suggest that they are not multi-user systems? You can do exactly the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> same with a Mac.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > But not effectively, otherwise they'd be no need for mainframes or minis or anythng else .
> >> >> >> >> >> "They're just faster."
> >> >> >> >> > and that's it is it. you forgot about price and physical size.
> >> >> >> >> And your point is?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > That you don't know what you are talking about.
> >> >> >> What exactly have I got wrong?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "They're just faster." There's more to it than that.
> >> >> > My iMac is much faster than my Macmini
> >> >> My point is there's no need for distinction between server, mainframe, desktop. They can all do each other's work, and in a few years the small ones will be as powerful as the big ones.
> >> >
> >> > and the big ones will be more powerful still.
> >> > So seems you can't tell the difference between a mainsframe a desktop and a laptop can they can all do the same.
> >> > So to store the NHS patient records for the UK can be done on a laptop, and any doctor can access this laptop
> >> > because it's a mulit-user device.
> >> There is no line drawn. It's like a car, a fast car, and a faster car.
> >
> > There are lines drawn some cars aren;t allowed on public roads like the aston martin DB5 reconsrruction
> > of the james bond car complete with fake guns rotating numberplate and other things , except the ejector seat.
> > But at a few milliion dollars I assume you'll have yuor own private road to drive it on.
> That's just stupid laws, they don't mean the cars are any different in function.
> > Then theres the formula one cars that can't be driver on public roads.
> > But there are other divisions the way cars are devided into groups, sports cars' saloons, SUV, hatchbacks, classic, motorsport, family
> > penis extentions
> They all take people from A to B and have varying amounts of luggage space and speed. There is no distinct point at which they change from one classification to the other.
> >> >> In 1982 when I had a ZX Spectrum, people referred to the "MIP" as a fast supercomputer. A million calculations per second! But now I have between my home computers 30 trillion calculations per second, 30,000,000 times faster, although it does use 13 amps and create enough heat to open the window in winter.
> >> >
> >> > So your computer is just the same as a central heating system because both give out heat.
> >> No, the central heating system would do no calculations.
> >
> > Well if run properly it could work out whether or not the heating should come on or not based by a thermostat and the ambinet temperature.
> Hardly the same as 50 trillion calculations per second to 30 decimal places.
> >> And it's technically 7 computers although they can be controlled as one.
> >> >> >> >> >> > But we all know there's no difference between a screwdriver and a hammer.
> >> >> >> >> >> I often use the wrong tool if it happens to be to hand.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Now there's a suprise.
> >> >> >> >> > But what do you mean by the wrong tool.?
> >> >> >> >> On that isn't so good, but will manage and is easier than going to get the "right" one.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Which is why people either by a PC or Mac or a mainframe or a supercomputer.
> >> >> >> Hardly anyone has a supercomputer, except say the US Dept of Energy.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > There are quite a few coiuntries that have one but they aren't personal computers that are "They're just faster."
> >> >> Bigger, faster, more power, where do you draw the line? What would you call my collection of 9 CPUs and 7 GPUs?
> >> >
> >> > A hobby, but I'd hardly call it that a passtime perhaps. 9 is hardly a lot, I had 2+ on my in my BBC with 2nd processor and
> >> > teletext box in the mid 1980s.
> >> A normal hobby doesn't use more electricity than I can afford.
> >
> > you might have to redefine afford. Each PC in my lab uses about 50W not sure how many of them I'd leave on if I were paying for them.
> > Just had this discussion with the lab manager for the easter period should we shut them down.
> 50W? That's not a real computer. My best CPU uses 200W, my best GPU uses 250W.
> >> > But why differenciate bewteen CPU and GPU it's just a Load of Transistors Doing Stuff maybe call them all LTDS chips.
> >> One is more complex, one is faster. RISC and so forth.
> >
> > Does it matter ?
> Yet you want to classify cars which are much more similar.


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On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 01:56:58 +0100, whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Friday, 15 April 2022 at 08:11:45 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 14:16:51 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Thursday, 14 April 2022 at 12:24:33 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 11:59:14 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Wednesday, 13 April 2022 at 05:48:32 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 16:14:06 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > There are quite a few coiuntries that have one but they aren't personal computers that are "They're just faster."
>> >> >> Bigger, faster, more power, where do you draw the line? What would you call my collection of 9 CPUs and 7 GPUs?
>> >> >
>> >> > A hobby, but I'd hardly call it that a passtime perhaps. 9 is hardly a lot, I had 2+ on my in my BBC with 2nd processor and
>> >> > teletext box in the mid 1980s.
>> >> A normal hobby doesn't use more electricity than I can afford.
>> >
>> > you might have to redefine afford. Each PC in my lab uses about 50W not sure how many of them I'd leave on if I were paying for them.
>> > Just had this discussion with the lab manager for the easter period should we shut them down.
>> 50W? That's not a real computer. My best CPU uses 200W, my best GPU uses 250W.
>> >> > But why differenciate bewteen CPU and GPU it's just a Load of Transistors Doing Stuff maybe call them all LTDS chips.
>> >> One is more complex, one is faster. RISC and so forth.
>> >
>> > Does it matter ?
>> Yet you want to classify cars which are much more similar.
>
> I don't classify them.

You called a server a disk!

>> Why isn't there a word similarer?
>> >> >> >> They have something with 25,000 GPUs.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Som there's more to distiguish types of computers than just how fast they are.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > Same with a bus and a car no differnce both carry people from point A to point B
>> >> >> >> >> >> I've used my car to carry one metric tonne of ballast. Was fun getting it to go over the speedbumps.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Have you ever tried getting one metric tonne of ballast on a bus ?
>> >> >> >> >> No, but I know someone who successfully took a wardrobe on a bus. I think they used the nigger entrance.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > So a bus is now a delivery van or lorry.
>> >> >> >> It can be.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Yep but london transport seem to buy these things with lots of seats in them, where as
>> >> >> > lorries only have a couple of seats.
>> >> >> Take the seats out and it's a campervan.
>> >> >
>> >> > What makes it a van rather than a car ?
>> >> Seat space vs. storage space. My 7 seater has 5 seats removed, it's now a van.
>> >
>> > A van is the shorted name which comes from caravan.
>> > A friend of mine has slept in his car, so what is a campervan .
>> I slept in mine, with a normal household mattress in the back where the seats were, very comfy.
>>
>> For campervan I'd say you need some stuff in it like a TV, fridge, etc.
>
> that's a glampervan ;-)

No, it's a campervan. Without those it's a van.

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On 25/04/2022 01:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 01:56:58 +0100, whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com>
> wrote:
[....]
>> that's a glampervan ;-)
>
> No, it's a campervan.  Without those it's a van.

Ha! Nothing "camp" about you! ;-)

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On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 01:00:05 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 01:56:58 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Friday, 15 April 2022 at 08:11:45 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 14:16:51 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Thursday, 14 April 2022 at 12:24:33 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 11:59:14 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Wednesday, 13 April 2022 at 05:48:32 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> >> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 16:14:06 +0100, whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > There are quite a few coiuntries that have one but they aren't personal computers that are "They're just faster."
> >> >> >> Bigger, faster, more power, where do you draw the line? What would you call my collection of 9 CPUs and 7 GPUs?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > A hobby, but I'd hardly call it that a passtime perhaps. 9 is hardly a lot, I had 2+ on my in my BBC with 2nd processor and
> >> >> > teletext box in the mid 1980s.
> >> >> A normal hobby doesn't use more electricity than I can afford.
> >> >
> >> > you might have to redefine afford. Each PC in my lab uses about 50W not sure how many of them I'd leave on if I were paying for them.
> >> > Just had this discussion with the lab manager for the easter period should we shut them down.
> >> 50W? That's not a real computer. My best CPU uses 200W, my best GPU uses 250W.
> >> >> > But why differenciate bewteen CPU and GPU it's just a Load of Transistors Doing Stuff maybe call them all LTDS chips.
> >> >> One is more complex, one is faster. RISC and so forth.
> >> >
> >> > Does it matter ?
> >> Yet you want to classify cars which are much more similar.
> >
> > I don't classify them.
> You called a server a disk!
> >> Why isn't there a word similarer?
> >> >> >> >> They have something with 25,000 GPUs.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Som there's more to distiguish types of computers than just how fast they are.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Same with a bus and a car no differnce both carry people from point A to point B
> >> >> >> >> >> >> I've used my car to carry one metric tonne of ballast. Was fun getting it to go over the speedbumps.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > Have you ever tried getting one metric tonne of ballast on a bus ?
> >> >> >> >> >> No, but I know someone who successfully took a wardrobe on a bus. I think they used the nigger entrance.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > So a bus is now a delivery van or lorry.
> >> >> >> >> It can be.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Yep but london transport seem to buy these things with lots of seats in them, where as
> >> >> >> > lorries only have a couple of seats.
> >> >> >> Take the seats out and it's a campervan.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What makes it a van rather than a car ?
> >> >> Seat space vs. storage space. My 7 seater has 5 seats removed, it's now a van.
> >> >
> >> > A van is the shorted name which comes from caravan.
> >> > A friend of mine has slept in his car, so what is a campervan .
> >> I slept in mine, with a normal household mattress in the back where the seats were, very comfy.
> >>
> >> For campervan I'd say you need some stuff in it like a TV, fridge, etc.
> >
> > that's a glampervan ;-)
> No, it's a campervan. Without those it's a van.

So a glampervan then with mod cons in it so that's what makes it clamper, a campervan would just have essentials for life support.
When peolpe go camping it's to be under a tent in the open not hiding in a van with a bed.
Last time I went camping it was in a tent, didn;t even have calor gas.
Used what was found in the forest to burn to heat the food, you know like real camping,
no TV, no internet , no phone, no microwave, no servants, no shower unless you stood out in the rain.
Even forgot the tin opener.

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On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 10:39:05 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> On 25/04/2022 01:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 01:56:58 +0100, whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
> [....]
>>> that's a glampervan ;-)
>>
>> No, it's a campervan. Without those it's a van.
>
> Ha! Nothing "camp" about you! ;-)

I am unsure of whether you are using sarcasm.

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