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| |   || `* UMRA BookgroupNick Odell
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| |   |`- UMRA BookgroupChris
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 by: Mike Ruddock - Mon, 16 May 2022 08:50 UTC

I am approaching the end of Shuggie Bain, a book which has won at least
one literary prize.
Has any other 'rat read it?

I will continue with it because the daughter who lent it to me assures
me that it is well worth the effort.
I have about 20% of the book to go and there will have to be a major
upturn in atmosphere soon.

Mike Ruddock

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 by: Vicky - Mon, 16 May 2022 09:02 UTC

On Mon, 16 May 2022 09:50:07 +0100, Mike Ruddock
<ruddock117@btinternet.com> wrote:

>I am approaching the end of Shuggie Bain, a book which has won at least
>one literary prize.
>Has any other 'rat read it?
>
>I will continue with it because the daughter who lent it to me assures
>me that it is well worth the effort.
>I have about 20% of the book to go and there will have to be a major
>upturn in atmosphere soon.
>
>Mike Ruddock

checking on Amazon

A heartbreaking novel, a book both beautiful and brutal . . . All that
grief and sadness and misery has been turned into something tough,
tender and beautifully sad. - The Times

Leaves us gutted and marvelling: Life may be short, but it takes
forever. - New York Times
An astonishing portrait, drawn from life, of a society left to die . .
.. Shuggie Bain has been longlisted for the Booker Prize. In a just
world, it would win. - Daily Telegraph

Shuggie Bain comes from a deep understanding of the relationship
between a child and a substance-abusing parent, showing a world rarely
portrayed in literary fiction . . . Admirable and important. -- Sarah
Moss - Guardian

A boy's heartbreaking love for his mother . . . as intense and
excruciating to read as any novel I have ever held in my hand . . .
The book’s evocative power arises out of the author’s talent for
conjuring a place, a time, and the texture of emotion . . .
brilliantly written. - Newsday

A debut novel that reads like a masterpiece, Shuggie Bain gives voice
to the kind of helpless, hopeless love that children can feel toward
broken parents. - Washington Post

This heartfelt and harrowing debut novel – which has been compared to
the work of Édouard Louis, Frank McCourt, and Hanya Yanagihara, and
which Kirkus has already called “a masterpiece” . . . is rightly being
heralded for its visceral, emotionally nuanced portrayal of working
class Scottish life and its blazingly intimate exploration of a
mother-son relationship. - LitHub

Was daughter trying to tell you something? I am currently re-reading
books by authors I like and feel safe with. Also some new books but
tend to choose carefully. I need pleasant safe and comforting. Am not
going to try Shuggie Bain

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 by: Nick Odell - Mon, 16 May 2022 10:10 UTC

On Mon, 16 May 2022 10:02:36 +0100, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 16 May 2022 09:50:07 +0100, Mike Ruddock
><ruddock117@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>>I am approaching the end of Shuggie Bain, a book which has won at least
>>one literary prize.
>>Has any other 'rat read it?
>>
>>I will continue with it because the daughter who lent it to me assures
>>me that it is well worth the effort.
>>I have about 20% of the book to go and there will have to be a major
>>upturn in atmosphere soon.
>>
>>Mike Ruddock
>
>checking on Amazon
>
>A heartbreaking novel, a book both beautiful and brutal . . . All that
>grief and sadness and misery has been turned into something tough,
>tender and beautifully sad. - The Times
>
>Leaves us gutted and marvelling: Life may be short, but it takes
>forever. - New York Times
>An astonishing portrait, drawn from life, of a society left to die . .
>. Shuggie Bain has been longlisted for the Booker Prize. In a just
>world, it would win. - Daily Telegraph
>
>Shuggie Bain comes from a deep understanding of the relationship
>between a child and a substance-abusing parent, showing a world rarely
>portrayed in literary fiction . . . Admirable and important. -- Sarah
>Moss - Guardian
>
>A boy's heartbreaking love for his mother . . . as intense and
>excruciating to read as any novel I have ever held in my hand . . .
>The book’s evocative power arises out of the author’s talent for
>conjuring a place, a time, and the texture of emotion . . .
>brilliantly written. - Newsday
>
>A debut novel that reads like a masterpiece, Shuggie Bain gives voice
>to the kind of helpless, hopeless love that children can feel toward
>broken parents. - Washington Post
>
>This heartfelt and harrowing debut novel – which has been compared to
>the work of Édouard Louis, Frank McCourt, and Hanya Yanagihara, and
>which Kirkus has already called “a masterpiece” . . . is rightly being
>heralded for its visceral, emotionally nuanced portrayal of working
>class Scottish life and its blazingly intimate exploration of a
>mother-son relationship. - LitHub
>
>
>Was daughter trying to tell you something? I am currently re-reading
>books by authors I like and feel safe with. Also some new books but
>tend to choose carefully. I need pleasant safe and comforting. Am not
>going to try Shuggie Bain

@Vicky
Yes,I agree with you. I don't know what the proper name for the genre
is but I call it bleak and full of despair. Some people really can't
get enough of them. My mother (MSRIP) gave me "Angela's Ashes" which I
dutifully read and then vowed I wouldn't read anything like it again.

@Mike
The worst book for getting started was, IMO, The Shipping News by E
Annie Proulx. I only plodded through the first eighty pages (eighty
pages!!!!!) because my friend assured me it was brilliant. It was
brilliant. We are still friends.

Nick

Nick

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 by: krw - Mon, 16 May 2022 13:13 UTC

On 16.5.22 11:10, Nick Odell wrote:
> The worst book for getting started was, IMO, The Shipping News by E
> Annie Proulx. I only plodded through the first eighty pages (eighty
> pages!!!!!) because my friend assured me it was brilliant. It was
> brilliant.

Can't say I thought much to the film.

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 by: Nick Odell - Mon, 16 May 2022 16:37 UTC

On Mon, 16 May 2022 14:13:29 +0100, krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:

>On 16.5.22 11:10, Nick Odell wrote:
>> The worst book for getting started was, IMO, The Shipping News by E
>> Annie Proulx. I only plodded through the first eighty pages (eighty
>> pages!!!!!) because my friend assured me it was brilliant. It was
>> brilliant.
>
>Can't say I thought much to the film.

Like Audrey Niffenegger's Time Traveller's Wife I should have thought
that The Shipping News would have been unfilmable. I think that the
books are too big for the screen but fit comfortably inside the head.

Nick

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 by: Penny - Mon, 16 May 2022 22:25 UTC

On Mon, 16 May 2022 11:10:34 +0100, Nick Odell
<nick@themusicworkshop.plus.com> scrawled in the dust...

>On Mon, 16 May 2022 10:02:36 +0100, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 16 May 2022 09:50:07 +0100, Mike Ruddock
>><ruddock117@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I am approaching the end of Shuggie Bain, a book which has won at least
>>>one literary prize.
>>>Has any other 'rat read it?
>>>
>>>I will continue with it because the daughter who lent it to me assures
>>>me that it is well worth the effort.
>>>I have about 20% of the book to go and there will have to be a major
>>>upturn in atmosphere soon.

>>Was daughter trying to tell you something? I am currently re-reading
>>books by authors I like and feel safe with. Also some new books but
>>tend to choose carefully. I need pleasant safe and comforting. Am not
>>going to try Shuggie Bain
>
>@Vicky
>Yes,I agree with you. I don't know what the proper name for the genre
>is but I call it bleak and full of despair. Some people really can't
>get enough of them. My mother (MSRIP) gave me "Angela's Ashes" which I
>dutifully read and then vowed I wouldn't read anything like it again.

I did read Angela's Ashes and don't recall having a problem with it - it
was a while ago and I also don't remember what it was about.
I've been doing a lot of re-reading lately (rare for me) though the library
doesn't stock much of the stuff I want to read again and when they do, few
are in audio.

I've also got better at abandoning books I don't like - or characters I
don't care about. I got about a third of the way through 'The God of Small
Things' recently, before giving up. I know Ray had enjoyed it.

OTOH, I'm currently reading 'The Throwaway Children', a novel about two
sisters who were shipped off to Australia from the children's home their
nasty step-father had put them in. So I haven't abandoned unpleasant
stories altogether.

>@Mike
>The worst book for getting started was, IMO, The Shipping News by E
>Annie Proulx. I only plodded through the first eighty pages (eighty
>pages!!!!!) because my friend assured me it was brilliant. It was
>brilliant. We are still friends.

I've never read 'The Shipping News', but enjoyed the film.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

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 by: Mike McMillan - Tue, 17 May 2022 07:23 UTC

Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 16 May 2022 11:10:34 +0100, Nick Odell
> <nick@themusicworkshop.plus.com> scrawled in the dust...
>
>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 10:02:36 +0100, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 09:50:07 +0100, Mike Ruddock
>>> <ruddock117@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am approaching the end of Shuggie Bain, a book which has won at least
>>>> one literary prize.
>>>> Has any other 'rat read it?
>>>>
>>>> I will continue with it because the daughter who lent it to me assures
>>>> me that it is well worth the effort.
>>>> I have about 20% of the book to go and there will have to be a major
>>>> upturn in atmosphere soon.
>
>>> Was daughter trying to tell you something? I am currently re-reading
>>> books by authors I like and feel safe with. Also some new books but
>>> tend to choose carefully. I need pleasant safe and comforting. Am not
>>> going to try Shuggie Bain
>>
>> @Vicky
>> Yes,I agree with you. I don't know what the proper name for the genre
>> is but I call it bleak and full of despair. Some people really can't
>> get enough of them. My mother (MSRIP) gave me "Angela's Ashes" which I
>> dutifully read and then vowed I wouldn't read anything like it again.
>
> I did read Angela's Ashes and don't recall having a problem with it - it
> was a while ago and I also don't remember what it was about.
> I've been doing a lot of re-reading lately (rare for me) though the library
> doesn't stock much of the stuff I want to read again and when they do, few
> are in audio.
>
> I've also got better at abandoning books I don't like - or characters I
> don't care about. I got about a third of the way through 'The God of Small
> Things' recently, before giving up. I know Ray had enjoyed it.
>
> OTOH, I'm currently reading 'The Throwaway Children', a novel about two
> sisters who were shipped off to Australia from the children's home their
> nasty step-father had put them in. So I haven't abandoned unpleasant
> stories altogether.
>
>> @Mike
>> The worst book for getting started was, IMO, The Shipping News by E
>> Annie Proulx. I only plodded through the first eighty pages (eighty
>> pages!!!!!) because my friend assured me it was brilliant. It was
>> brilliant. We are still friends.
>
> I've never read 'The Shipping News', but enjoyed the film.

‘Enjoyed the film’? Err… do you expect the Germans to Bight on that?

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

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 by: Kate B - Tue, 17 May 2022 11:52 UTC

On 16/05/2022 11:10, Nick Odell wrote:
> On Mon, 16 May 2022 10:02:36 +0100, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com>
> wrote:

snippety-snip

> @Vicky
> Yes,I agree with you. I don't know what the proper name for the genre
> is but I call it bleak and full of despair. Some people really can't
> get enough of them. My mother (MSRIP) gave me "Angela's Ashes" which I
> dutifully read and then vowed I wouldn't read anything like it again.

I think they're called Misery Memoirs. Apparently sometimes also Misery
Porn...

FWIW I don't remember much about The Shipping News but I remember quite
liking it.

--
Kate B

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 by: Vicky - Tue, 17 May 2022 12:24 UTC

On Tue, 17 May 2022 12:52:00 +0100, Kate B <elvira@nospam.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 16/05/2022 11:10, Nick Odell wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 10:02:36 +0100, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>
>snippety-snip
>
>
>> @Vicky
>> Yes,I agree with you. I don't know what the proper name for the genre
>> is but I call it bleak and full of despair. Some people really can't
>> get enough of them. My mother (MSRIP) gave me "Angela's Ashes" which I
>> dutifully read and then vowed I wouldn't read anything like it again.
>
>I think they're called Misery Memoirs. Apparently sometimes also Misery
>Porn...
>
>FWIW I don't remember much about The Shipping News but I remember quite
>liking it.

I think I might have seen he Shipping News too, liked it and don't
remember it :)

Oh no, googling finds the content and I think I'd rememebr that. Not
seen it.

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 by: J. P. Gilliver (John - Tue, 17 May 2022 12:52 UTC

On Mon, 16 May 2022 at 23:25:51, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> wrote
(my responses usually FOLLOW):
[]
>I've also got better at abandoning books I don't like - or characters I
>don't care about. I got about a third of the way through 'The God of Small
>Things' recently, before giving up. I know Ray had enjoyed it.

I must get better at that. Trouble is, one has put effort into some
things which it seems to be a waste to discard. I keep wondering about
TA: maybe when I lose my "Fridays off" (only another one or two to go!),
though I suspect I won't stop. Other aspects of life too - one continues
with them because one has done them for so long, even if getting little
or no pleasure now. (Of course there are other things I _should_ be
doing but don't!)
>
>OTOH, I'm currently reading 'The Throwaway Children', a novel about two
>sisters who were shipped off to Australia from the children's home their
>nasty step-father had put them in. So I haven't abandoned unpleasant
>stories altogether.

Ah, but does it have a happy - or at least even-keel - ending?
>
>>@Mike
>>The worst book for getting started was, IMO, The Shipping News by E
>>Annie Proulx. I only plodded through the first eighty pages (eighty
>>pages!!!!!) because my friend assured me it was brilliant. It was
>>brilliant. We are still friends.
>
>I've never read 'The Shipping News', but enjoyed the film.

I enjoyed "84 Charing Cross Road" and _then_ bought the book (at least,
I think that way round: I can't see me having bought a book of that sort
in the first place). [I knew the location: when I knew it it was Covent
Garden Records - one of the first record shops to go CD-only.]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

They are public servants, so we will threat them rather as Flashman treats
servants. - Stephen Fry on some people's attitudo to the BBC, in Radio Times,
3-9 July 2010

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 by: Penny - Tue, 17 May 2022 22:33 UTC

On Tue, 17 May 2022 13:52:21 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> scrawled in the dust...

>On Mon, 16 May 2022 at 23:25:51, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> wrote
>(my responses usually FOLLOW):
>[]
>>I've also got better at abandoning books I don't like - or characters I
>>don't care about. I got about a third of the way through 'The God of Small
>>Things' recently, before giving up. I know Ray had enjoyed it.
>
>I must get better at that. Trouble is, one has put effort into some
>things which it seems to be a waste to discard.

I've spent years trying to persuade D#1 that this is not a good way
forward, while realising I do it myself to some extent. Money, time, and
energy spent are not a good reason to continue doing something which makes
you miserable. Turn your back on it, forgive yourself, and walk away -
feel the lifting of that weight on your shoulders.

>I keep wondering about
>TA: maybe when I lose my "Fridays off" (only another one or two to go!),
>though I suspect I won't stop. Other aspects of life too - one continues
>with them because one has done them for so long, even if getting little
>or no pleasure now. (Of course there are other things I _should_ be
>doing but don't!)

That sounds familiar...

>>OTOH, I'm currently reading 'The Throwaway Children', a novel about two
>>sisters who were shipped off to Australia from the children's home their
>>nasty step-father had put them in. So I haven't abandoned unpleasant
>>stories altogether.
>
>Ah, but does it have a happy - or at least even-keel - ending?

I finished it this afternoon. I cried a lot.
Yes, everybody managed to move on, and concentrate on what they had, not
what they'd lost.

>>>@Mike
>>>The worst book for getting started was, IMO, The Shipping News by E
>>>Annie Proulx. I only plodded through the first eighty pages (eighty
>>>pages!!!!!) because my friend assured me it was brilliant. It was
>>>brilliant. We are still friends.
>>
>>I've never read 'The Shipping News', but enjoyed the film.
>
>I enjoyed "84 Charing Cross Road" and _then_ bought the book (at least,
>I think that way round: I can't see me having bought a book of that sort
>in the first place). [I knew the location: when I knew it it was Covent
>Garden Records - one of the first record shops to go CD-only.]

I loved 84 Charing Cross Road. I think I first heard it on Radio 4, later
read the book, watched Helene Hanff being interviewed on TV, watched the
film.

--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

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 by: J. P. Gilliver (John - Tue, 17 May 2022 23:54 UTC

On Tue, 17 May 2022 at 23:33:20, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> wrote
(my responses usually FOLLOW):
>On Tue, 17 May 2022 13:52:21 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
><G6JPG@255soft.uk> scrawled in the dust...
[]
>>I enjoyed "84 Charing Cross Road" and _then_ bought the book (at least,
>>I think that way round: I can't see me having bought a book of that sort
>>in the first place). [I knew the location: when I knew it it was Covent
>>Garden Records - one of the first record shops to go CD-only.]
>
>I loved 84 Charing Cross Road. I think I first heard it on Radio 4, later
>read the book, watched Helene Hanff being interviewed on TV, watched the
>film.
>
Now you mention it, I might have heard it on R4 first too. Did Helene
Hanff read it for them?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

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 by: Penny - Wed, 18 May 2022 08:21 UTC

On Wed, 18 May 2022 00:54:58 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> scrawled in the dust...

>On Tue, 17 May 2022 at 23:33:20, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> wrote
>(my responses usually FOLLOW):
>>On Tue, 17 May 2022 13:52:21 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
>><G6JPG@255soft.uk> scrawled in the dust...
>[]
>>>I enjoyed "84 Charing Cross Road" and _then_ bought the book (at least,
>>>I think that way round: I can't see me having bought a book of that sort
>>>in the first place). [I knew the location: when I knew it it was Covent
>>>Garden Records - one of the first record shops to go CD-only.]
>>
>>I loved 84 Charing Cross Road. I think I first heard it on Radio 4, later
>>read the book, watched Helene Hanff being interviewed on TV, watched the
>>film.
>>
>Now you mention it, I might have heard it on R4 first too. Did Helene
>Hanff read it for them?

I'm not sure, somewhere in my head I associate it with Elaine Stritch, in
fact it may have been her interview on Parkinson I'm thinking of. She
played Helene Hanff on a TV adaptation.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

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 by: Vicky - Wed, 18 May 2022 08:42 UTC

On Tue, 17 May 2022 23:33:20 +0100, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
wrote:

>>I must get better at that. Trouble is, one has put effort into some
>>things which it seems to be a waste to discard.
>
>I've spent years trying to persuade D#1 that this is not a good way
>forward, while realising I do it myself to some extent. Money, time, and
>energy spent are not a good reason to continue doing something which makes
>you miserable. Turn your back on it, forgive yourself, and walk away -
>feel the lifting of that weight on your shoulders.

It took me until not that long ago to be able to just stop reading a
book or watching a programme.

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 by: Nick Odell - Wed, 18 May 2022 10:55 UTC

On Wed, 18 May 2022 09:21:39 +0100, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 18 May 2022 00:54:58 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
><G6JPG@255soft.uk> scrawled in the dust...
>
>>On Tue, 17 May 2022 at 23:33:20, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> wrote
>>(my responses usually FOLLOW):
>>>On Tue, 17 May 2022 13:52:21 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
>>><G6JPG@255soft.uk> scrawled in the dust...
>>[]
>>>>I enjoyed "84 Charing Cross Road" and _then_ bought the book (at least,
>>>>I think that way round: I can't see me having bought a book of that sort
>>>>in the first place). [I knew the location: when I knew it it was Covent
>>>>Garden Records - one of the first record shops to go CD-only.]
>>>
>>>I loved 84 Charing Cross Road. I think I first heard it on Radio 4, later
>>>read the book, watched Helene Hanff being interviewed on TV, watched the
>>>film.
>>>
>>Now you mention it, I might have heard it on R4 first too. Did Helene
>>Hanff read it for them?
>
>I'm not sure, somewhere in my head I associate it with Elaine Stritch, in
>fact it may have been her interview on Parkinson I'm thinking of. She
>played Helene Hanff on a TV adaptation.

I also associate Elaine Stritch with the part of Helene Hanff but have
failed miserably to find the evidence - as apparently has the writer
of the Helene Hanff Wikipedia page where it reads:

"Elaine Stritch also played Helene Hanff in a television adaptation of
84, Charing Cross Road.[citation needed]"

I've searched the internet for Elaine Stritch, 84CCR, - Helene Hanff,
obviously - and I've even been through the BBC Genome pages where
there are other productions listed but not one with ES. The other
actors in other radio and tv productions are well know performers but
I don't remember seeing or hearing any of them in the part.

Nick

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 by: Chris - Thu, 19 May 2022 19:50 UTC

J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
> On Tue, 17 May 2022 at 23:33:20, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> wrote
> (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 13:52:21 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
>> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> scrawled in the dust...
> []
>>> I enjoyed "84 Charing Cross Road" and _then_ bought the book (at least,
>>> I think that way round: I can't see me having bought a book of that sort
>>> in the first place). [I knew the location: when I knew it it was Covent
>>> Garden Records - one of the first record shops to go CD-only.]
>>
>> I loved 84 Charing Cross Road. I think I first heard it on Radio 4, later
>> read the book, watched Helene Hanff being interviewed on TV, watched the
>> film.
>>
> Now you mention it, I might have heard it on R4 first too. Did Helene
> Hanff read it for them?

Yus, fairly sure she did

Sincerely Chris

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 by: Sid Nuncius - Sun, 22 May 2022 09:30 UTC

On 16/05/2022 17:37, Nick Odell wrote:
> On Mon, 16 May 2022 14:13:29 +0100, krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>> On 16.5.22 11:10, Nick Odell wrote:
>>> The worst book for getting started was, IMO, The Shipping News by E
>>> Annie Proulx. I only plodded through the first eighty pages (eighty
>>> pages!!!!!) because my friend assured me it was brilliant. It was
>>> brilliant.
>>
>> Can't say I thought much to the film.
>
> Like Audrey Niffenegger's Time Traveller's Wife I should have thought
> that The Shipping News would have been unfilmable. I think that the
> books are too big for the screen but fit comfortably inside the head.

I liked the book very much but not the film. I thought it was one of
those films which tells the story OK but misses much of the depth of the
book, and hence lacked much of what stayed with me about the book.

--
Sid
(Make sure Matron is away when you reply)

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 by: Sid Nuncius - Sun, 22 May 2022 09:33 UTC

On 16/05/2022 09:50, Mike Ruddock wrote:
> I am approaching the end of Shuggie Bain, a book which has won at least
> one literary prize.
> Has any other 'rat read it?

Sorry to be so late on parade here, but just to say that I read 100
pages or so of Shuggie Bain before deciding that an unremitting diet of
rain, alcoholism, violence and misogyny was more than I could take at
the moment and bailing out.

It was very well done, but boodly hell![1]

[1]Impressive, in-depth literary criticism, eh?

--
Sid
(Make sure Matron is away when you reply)

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 by: John Ashby - Sun, 22 May 2022 10:39 UTC

On 22/05/2022 10:33, Sid Nuncius wrote:
> On 16/05/2022 09:50, Mike Ruddock wrote:
>> I am approaching the end of Shuggie Bain, a book which has won at
>> least one literary prize.
>> Has any other 'rat read it?
>
> Sorry to be so late on parade here, but just to say that I read 100
> pages or so of Shuggie Bain before deciding that an unremitting diet of
> rain, alcoholism, violence and misogyny was more than I could take at
> the moment and bailing out.
>
> It was very well done, but boodly hell![1]
>
>
> [1]Impressive, in-depth literary criticism, eh?
>

You could get all that at home?

john

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 by: Mike McMillan - Sun, 22 May 2022 10:43 UTC

John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 22/05/2022 10:33, Sid Nuncius wrote:
>> On 16/05/2022 09:50, Mike Ruddock wrote:
>>> I am approaching the end of Shuggie Bain, a book which has won at
>>> least one literary prize.
>>> Has any other 'rat read it?
>>
>> Sorry to be so late on parade here, but just to say that I read 100
>> pages or so of Shuggie Bain before deciding that an unremitting diet of
>> rain, alcoholism, violence and misogyny was more than I could take at
>> the moment and bailing out.
>>
>> It was very well done, but boodly hell![1]
>>
>>
>> [1]Impressive, in-depth literary criticism, eh?
>>
>
> You could get all that at home?
>
> john
>

Only if Sid took a double dose of the orange pills and laid off the purple
ones…

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

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 by: Serena Blanchflower - Sun, 22 May 2022 10:46 UTC

On 18/05/2022 00:54, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
> On Tue, 17 May 2022 at 23:33:20, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> wrote
> (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 13:52:21 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
>> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> scrawled in the dust...
> []
>>> I enjoyed "84 Charing Cross Road" and _then_ bought the book (at least,
>>> I think that way round: I can't see me having bought a book of that sort
>>> in the first place). [I knew the location: when I knew it it was Covent
>>> Garden Records - one of the first record shops to go CD-only.]
>>
>> I loved 84 Charing Cross Road. I think I first heard it on Radio 4, later
>> read the book, watched Helene Hanff being interviewed on TV, watched the
>> film.
>>
> Now you mention it, I might have heard it on R4 first too. Did Helene
> Hanff read it for them?

I don't know who read it on R4, but the audio book is read (extremely
well, if I recall correctly) by Juliet Stevenson and John Nettles

--
Best wishes, Serena
People are forever calling me a hypochondriac and, let me tell you, that
makes me sick.

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 by: Vicky - Sun, 22 May 2022 10:59 UTC

On Sun, 22 May 2022 10:30:25 +0100, Sid Nuncius
<nuncius@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>On 16/05/2022 17:37, Nick Odell wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 14:13:29 +0100, krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>>> On 16.5.22 11:10, Nick Odell wrote:
>>>> The worst book for getting started was, IMO, The Shipping News by E
>>>> Annie Proulx. I only plodded through the first eighty pages (eighty
>>>> pages!!!!!) because my friend assured me it was brilliant. It was
>>>> brilliant.
>>>
>>> Can't say I thought much to the film.
>>
>> Like Audrey Niffenegger's Time Traveller's Wife I should have thought
>> that The Shipping News would have been unfilmable. I think that the
>> books are too big for the screen but fit comfortably inside the head.
>
>I liked the book very much but not the film. I thought it was one of
>those films which tells the story OK but misses much of the depth of the
>book, and hence lacked much of what stayed with me about the book.

I read all of The Time Traveller's Wife but thought it gruesome. Wish
I had not read it.

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 by: Joe Kerr - Sun, 22 May 2022 11:05 UTC

On 22/05/2022 10:33, Sid Nuncius wrote:
> On 16/05/2022 09:50, Mike Ruddock wrote:
>> I am approaching the end of Shuggie Bain, a book which has won at
>> least one literary prize.
>> Has any other 'rat read it?
>
> Sorry to be so late on parade here, but just to say that I read 100
> pages or so of Shuggie Bain before deciding that an unremitting diet of
> rain, alcoholism, violence and misogyny was more than I could take at
> the moment and bailing out.
>
> It was very well done, but boodly hell![1]
>
>
> [1]Impressive, in-depth literary criticism, eh?
>
Succinct, informative, honest.

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Ric

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 by: Mike McMillan - Sun, 22 May 2022 11:13 UTC

Joe Kerr <joe_kerr@cheerful.com> wrote:
> On 22/05/2022 10:33, Sid Nuncius wrote:
>> On 16/05/2022 09:50, Mike Ruddock wrote:
>>> I am approaching the end of Shuggie Bain, a book which has won at
>>> least one literary prize.
>>> Has any other 'rat read it?
>>
>> Sorry to be so late on parade here, but just to say that I read 100
>> pages or so of Shuggie Bain before deciding that an unremitting diet of
>> rain, alcoholism, violence and misogyny was more than I could take at
>> the moment and bailing out.
>>
>> It was very well done, but boodly hell![1]
>>
>>
>> [1]Impressive, in-depth literary criticism, eh?
>>
> Succinct, informative, honest.
>

But short on word-count if fee is based on this.

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Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

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 by: Sid Nuncius - Sun, 22 May 2022 17:18 UTC

On 22/05/2022 11:39, John Ashby wrote:
> On 22/05/2022 10:33, Sid Nuncius wrote:
>> On 16/05/2022 09:50, Mike Ruddock wrote:
>>> I am approaching the end of Shuggie Bain, a book which has won at
>>> least one literary prize.
>>> Has any other 'rat read it?
>>
>> Sorry to be so late on parade here, but just to say that I read 100
>> pages or so of Shuggie Bain before deciding that an unremitting diet
>> of rain, alcoholism, violence and misogyny was more than I could take at
>> the moment and bailing out.
>>
>> It was very well done, but boodly hell![1]
>>
>>
>> [1]Impressive, in-depth literary criticism, eh?
>
> You could get all that at home?

With a small aubergine.

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Sid
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