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A director of the Alliance of British Nutters, a not-for-profit pro-motoring lobbying group, has claimed that the recent revisions to the Highway Code lack balance and have “entirely failed in creating a sense of shared responsibility for the safety of all road users”.

In an interview with GBeebies News (link is external), Duncan White claims that the changes, which were introduced in January to protect vulnerable road users, have resulted in “very provocative behaviour” and even “deliberate” acts of obstruction by cyclists.

“The Alliance of British Nutters has always maintained that the safety of all road users is the paramount consideration; we are however concerned that the latest edition of the Highway Code has not created a balanced appreciation of the realities of road use,” White told the news channel.

“Our recent dialogue with Baroness Vere at the Department of Transport has reinforced our view that the latest version of the Highway Code is open to a broad range of interpretations and assumptions which has not contributed to a clarity of understanding of the revised ‘rules of the road’.

“The Alliance of British Nutters campaigns tirelessly for the safety of our roads. It is a matter of much regret that instead of bringing all road users together in the cause of safety, the revised Highway Code has introduced an unhelpful atmosphere of divisiveness that has created a false sense of ‘winners and losers’ rather than promoting mutual responsibility in how we all use our roads. This is not in anyone’s interest.

White claimed that the new ‘hierarchy of road users’ contained in the revisions, which advises that the road users who can inflict the most harm should bear the most responsibility for safety on the roads, is “very prescriptive” and “provoked strong reactions in some quarters”.

He continued: “Sensible road users have always appreciated that the larger the vehicle, the potential for greater damage and the vast majority act in a responsible way in appreciating this very obvious situation.

“Since the publication of the revised Highway Code we have seen a change in attitudes and this has led to some very provocative behaviour on our roads which have, on occasions, been interpreted by some as a deliberate act of obstruction.

“This has not improved etiquette nor does it reflect the absolute requirement for individual responsibility to keep our roads as safe as possible for all users.”

In a thinly veiled allusion to cyclists, White said: “If one sector of road users are given the impression that provocative, obstructive and challenging behaviour has merit then the revised Highway Code has entirely failed in creating a sense of shared responsibility for the safety of all road users.

“For Ministers of the Crown to deny such shifts in attitude despite written and visual evidence then we have an institutional failure to appreciate the negative impact of unwarranted changes in the Highway Code.

“When certain sectors of road users publicly state that they had a disproportionate impact on re-drafting our collective ‘rules of the road’ to their specific advantage and yet this is denied by Ministers despite the evidence, then we clearly have developed a very lop-sided understanding of equitable policies for the safety of all.”

White’s comments echo the spate of impassioned and often misleading anti-cycling articles that followed the introduction of the Highway Code revisions in January.

In the Sun, Fair Fuel UK’s founder Howard Cox called the “lunatic” changes a “cyclists’ charter to ride any way they wish”. Cox claimed the revisions would encourage road rage and gave cyclists the “legal right to pass ALL the blame in any traffic incident on to other road users.” He also accused the “anti-driver Government” of “deliberately fuelling division between cyclists and motorists”.

Florida resident Richard Littlejohn penned an “error-strewn” column in the Daily Mail attacking cycling in Britain, while the Telegraph published an opinion piece which argued that “pedal-pushers have taken over British roads".

White’s interview isn’t the first time that GBeebies News has covered the Highway Code revisions.

In January one of the channel’s presenters, conservative commentator Darren Grimes, called for the changes to be scrapped, falsely stated that car drivers were at the bottom of the new hierarchy, and claimed that in London “you’re lucky if you get away with your life with cyclists storming down the road so fast” (despite cyclists being involved in four of the 346 incidents which resulted in the death of a pedestrian in 2020).

https://road.cc/content/news/alliance-british-drivers-criticises-highway-code-changes-291967

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 by: Spike - Fri, 15 Apr 2022 17:35 UTC

On 15/04/2022 16:48, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> cyclists being involved in four of the 346 incidents which resulted in the death of a pedestrian in 2020).

On a vehicle-mile basis, that means that cyclists pose a greater danger
to pedestrians that whatever vehicles class or classes - road.cc does
not appear to be clear on this - are alluded to. Perhaps they would like
to clarify their article.

However, cyclists have maintained that no pedestrians are killed by
them, but four in London in a year sounds an awful lot.

<https://road.cc/content/news/alliance-british-drivers-criticises-highway-code-changes-291967>

ROADS NEED SAFER CYCLISTS!

--
Spike

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Steve K | 863 posts | 21 hours ago
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I'd like to see some evidence that the ABD "campaigns tirelessly for safety on our roads". A quick check of their website suggests almost the complete opposite - there's one article about avoiding driving tired, but also articles against 20mph speed limits and against lowering the drink drive limit. Not to mention - taking a wider view of safety - a whole host of articles against aimed at reducing pollution.

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Association of Bad Drivers - others noted formed from the Assoshation of Drunk Driversh, the Association of Impatient Drivers and the Road Horror Association.

Tirelessly campaigning against all those other ****s on the road and bonkers legislation that you couldn't make up.

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Steve K replied to Rendel Harris | 863 posts | 21 hours ago
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Rendel Harris wrote:

Thought to have fewer than 3,000 members (they won't admit to how many/few), or 0.001% of British drivers, but act as though they speak for them all.

See also the Tax Payers Alliance.

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 by: JNugent - Fri, 15 Apr 2022 18:35 UTC

On 15/04/2022 05:48 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> A director of the Alliance of British Nutters, a not-for-profit pro-motoring lobbying group, has claimed that the recent revisions to the Highway Code lack balance and have “entirely failed in creating a sense of shared responsibility for the safety of all road users”.
>
> In an interview with GBeebies News (link is external), Duncan White claims that the changes, which were introduced in January to protect vulnerable road users, have resulted in “very provocative behaviour” and even “deliberate” acts of obstruction by fairy-cyclists.
>
> “The Alliance of British Nutters has always maintained that the safety of all road users is the paramount consideration; we are however concerned that the latest edition of the Highway Code has not created a balanced appreciation of the realities of road use,” White told the news channel.
>
> “Our recent dialogue with Baroness Vere at the Department of Transport has reinforced our view that the latest version of the Highway Code is open to a broad range of interpretations and assumptions which has not contributed to a clarity of understanding of the revised ‘rules of the road’.
>
> “The Alliance of British Nutters campaigns tirelessly for the safety of our roads. It is a matter of much regret that instead of bringing all road users together in the cause of safety, the revised Highway Code has introduced an unhelpful atmosphere of divisiveness that has created a false sense of ‘winners and losers’ rather than promoting mutual responsibility in how we all use our roads. This is not in anyone’s interest.
>
> White claimed that the new ‘hierarchy of road users’ contained in the revisions, which advises that the road users who can inflict the most harm should bear the most responsibility for safety on the roads, is “very prescriptive” and “provoked strong reactions in some quarters”.
>
> He continued: “Sensible road users have always appreciated that the larger the vehicle, the potential for greater damage and the vast majority act in a responsible way in appreciating this very obvious situation.
>
> “Since the publication of the revised Highway Code we have seen a change in attitudes and this has led to some very provocative behaviour on our roads which have, on occasions, been interpreted by some as a deliberate act of obstruction.
>
> “This has not improved etiquette nor does it reflect the absolute requirement for individual responsibility to keep our roads as safe as possible for all users.”
>
> In a thinly veiled allusion to fairy-cyclists, White said: “If one sector of road users are given the impression that provocative, obstructive and challenging behaviour has merit then the revised Highway Code has entirely failed in creating a sense of shared responsibility for the safety of all road users.
>
> “For Ministers of the Crown to deny such shifts in attitude despite written and visual evidence then we have an institutional failure to appreciate the negative impact of unwarranted changes in the Highway Code.
>
> “When certain sectors of road users publicly state that they had a disproportionate impact on re-drafting our collective ‘rules of the road’ to their specific advantage and yet this is denied by Ministers despite the evidence, then we clearly have developed a very lop-sided understanding of equitable policies for the safety of all.”
>
> White’s comments echo the spate of impassioned and often misleading anti-fairy-cycling articles that followed the introduction of the Highway Code revisions in January.
>
> In the Sun, Fair Fuel UK’s founder Howard Cox called the “lunatic” changes a “fairy-cyclists’ charter to ride any way they wish”. Cox claimed the revisions would encourage road rage and gave fairy-cyclists the “legal right to pass ALL the blame in any traffic incident on to other road users.” He also accused the “anti-driver Government” of “deliberately fuelling division between fairy-cyclists and motorists”.
>
> Florida resident Richard Littlejohn penned an “error-strewn” column in the Daily Mail attacking fairy-cycling in Britain, while the Telegraph published an opinion piece which argued that “fairy-pedal-pushers have taken over British roads".
>
> White’s interview isn’t the first time that GBeebies News has covered the Highway Code revisions.
>
> In January one of the channel’s presenters, conservative commentator Darren Grimes, called for the changes to be scrapped, falsely stated that car drivers were at the bottom of the new hierarchy, and claimed that in London “you’re lucky if you get away with your life with fairy-cyclists storming down the road so fast” (despite fairy-cyclists being involved in four of the 346 incidents which resulted in the death of a pedestrian in 2020).
>
> https://road.cc/content/news/alliance-british-drivers-criticises-highway-code-changes-291967
>

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 by: JNugent - Fri, 15 Apr 2022 18:36 UTC

On 15/04/2022 06:35 pm, Spike wrote:

> On 15/04/2022 16:48, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> fairy-cyclists being involved in four of the 346 incidents which resulted in the death of a pedestrian in 2020).
>
> On a vehicle-mile basis, that means that cyclists pose a greater danger
> to pedestrians that whatever vehicles class or classes - road.cc does
> not appear to be clear on this - are alluded to. Perhaps they would like
> to clarify their article.
>
> However, fairy-cyclists have maintained that no pedestrians are killed by
> them, but four in London in a year sounds an awful lot.
>
> <https://road.cc/content/news/alliance-british-drivers-criticises-highway-code-changes-291967>
>
> ROADS NEED SAFER CYCLISTS!

The roads are for the many, not the few.

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John Stevenson | 42 posts | 23 hours ago
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Your occassional reminder that, based on ther published accounts and membership fees, the Alliance of Bad Drivers has fewer paid members than some of the UK's larger local cycling clubs, and far fewer than advocacy organisations like CamCycle and London Cycling Campaign.

They're petulant nonentities.

QUITE SO.

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On 15/04/2022 07:59 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> John Stevenson | 42 posts | 23 hours ago

> 16 fairy-likes
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> Your occassional reminder that, based on ther published accounts and membership fees, the Alliance of Bad Drivers has fewer paid members than some of the UK's larger local fairy-cycling clubs, and far fewer than advocacy organisations like CamFairyCycle and London Fairy-Cycling Campaign.

> They're petulant nonentities.

> QUITE SO.

Driver "minorities"?

There's been some tripe posted by Mason over the years (both his own
nonsense and quoted trash) but that's one of the very best examples.

The roads are for the *many* (travellers using motor-vehicles), *not*
the few (fairy-cyclists).

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ShaneDG | 7 posts | 1 day ago
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In an interview with (k)GB news - well this is going to be a good take.

No Mr Duncan White it hasnt "created a false sense of winners and losers" or "entirely failed in creating a sense of shared responsibility for the safety of all road users"

What it has done is put in writing what most decent people already knew - that the operator of the large multi-tonne and fast moving metal box should take care when operating said metal box around the squishy humans not in a metal box.

WELL SAID.

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