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* UMRA BookgroupMike Ruddock
+* UMRA BookgroupVicky
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| | `* UMRA BookgroupSid Nuncius
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| |     |`* UMRA BookgroupJ. P. Gilliver (John)
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| |     |  `* UMRA BookgroupJ. P. Gilliver (John)
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| |     |    `* UMRA BookgroupNick Odell
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| |     |     | `- UMRA BookgroupSam Plusnet
| |     |     `* UMRA BookgroupJohn Ashby
| |     |      `- UMRA BookgroupNick Odell
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| |     || |     `* ageing (was: Re: UMRA Bookgroup)Sid Nuncius
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| |     || `* UMRA BookgroupChris J Dixon
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| |     |`* UMRA BookgroupJ. P. Gilliver (John)
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 by: Sam Plusnet - Sun, 22 May 2022 19:10 UTC

On 22-May-22 10:30, Sid Nuncius wrote:
> On 16/05/2022 17:37, Nick Odell wrote:

> I liked the book very much but not the film.  I thought it was one of
> those films which tells the story OK but misses much of the depth of the
> book, and hence lacked much of what stayed with me about the book.
>

It is pretty rare to see a film, after having read the book, and not
think it falls short.
I would be interested to hear where people have found exceptions to this
'rule'.

--
Sam Plusnet

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 by: John Ashby - Sun, 22 May 2022 20:24 UTC

On 22/05/2022 18:18, Sid Nuncius wrote:
> On 22/05/2022 11:39, John Ashby wrote:
>> On 22/05/2022 10:33, Sid Nuncius wrote:
>>> On 16/05/2022 09:50, Mike Ruddock wrote:
>>>> I am approaching the end of Shuggie Bain, a book which has won at
>>>> least one literary prize.
>>>> Has any other 'rat read it?
>>>
>>> Sorry to be so late on parade here, but just to say that I read 100
>>> pages or so of Shuggie Bain before deciding that an unremitting diet
>>> of rain, alcoholism, violence and misogyny was more than I could take at
>>> the moment and bailing out.
>>>
>>> It was very well done, but boodly hell![1]
>>>
>>>
>>> [1]Impressive, in-depth literary criticism, eh?
>>
>> You could get all that at home?
>
> With a small aubergine.
>
>

Goodness gracious!

me

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 by: Penny - Sun, 22 May 2022 19:57 UTC

On Sun, 22 May 2022 20:10:14 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> scrawled in
the dust...

>On 22-May-22 10:30, Sid Nuncius wrote:
>> On 16/05/2022 17:37, Nick Odell wrote:
>
>> I liked the book very much but not the film.  I thought it was one of
>> those films which tells the story OK but misses much of the depth of the
>> book, and hence lacked much of what stayed with me about the book.
>>
>
>It is pretty rare to see a film, after having read the book, and not
>think it falls short.
>I would be interested to hear where people have found exceptions to this
>'rule'.

I don't know if this counts, but I read the Reader's Digest condensed
version of 'To Sir, with Love' before seeing the film staring Sidney
Poitier and Lulu. This was in my teens and, in my youth, I could come home
from the cinema or theatre and rerun whatever I'd just watched, word for
word, in my head. I was delighted by the film because it felt as if the
script was based upon the condensed book. I've never read the unabridged
version.

Other than that, the film of a book I've read usually disappoints, but
reading the book after seeing the film can work quite well, especially
since I lost the ability to recall all the details.

There are some films I have avoided for this reason.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

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 by: BrritSki - Sun, 22 May 2022 20:50 UTC

On 22/05/2022 18:18, Sid Nuncius wrote:
> On 22/05/2022 11:39, John Ashby wrote:
>> On 22/05/2022 10:33, Sid Nuncius wrote:
>>> On 16/05/2022 09:50, Mike Ruddock wrote:
>>>> I am approaching the end of Shuggie Bain, a book which has won at
>>>> least one literary prize.
>>>> Has any other 'rat read it?
>>>
>>> Sorry to be so late on parade here, but just to say that I read 100
>>> pages or so of Shuggie Bain before deciding that an unremitting diet
>>> of rain, alcoholism, violence and misogyny was more than I could take at
>>> the moment and bailing out.
>>>
>>> It was very well done, but boodly hell![1]
>>>
>>>
>>> [1]Impressive, in-depth literary criticism, eh?
>>
>> You could get all that at home?
>
> With a small aubergine.
>
And a straw.

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 by: Nick Odell - Sun, 22 May 2022 20:55 UTC

On Sun, 22 May 2022 20:10:14 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

>On 22-May-22 10:30, Sid Nuncius wrote:
>> On 16/05/2022 17:37, Nick Odell wrote:
>
>> I liked the book very much but not the film.  I thought it was one of
>> those films which tells the story OK but misses much of the depth of the
>> book, and hence lacked much of what stayed with me about the book.
>>
>
>It is pretty rare to see a film, after having read the book, and not
>think it falls short.
>I would be interested to hear where people have found exceptions to this
>'rule'.

Elliott Gould/Nina van Pallandt "The Long Goodbye." To be honest, at
the time I had presumed that it was a remake but it turns out that
nobody had filmed it before. Robert Altman dragged the story kicking
and screaming out of the fifties into the present day (well.... 1973)
and I thought it was jolly well done.

I'd be hard pressed to think of another good novel to movie
interpretation, though.

Nick

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 by: Vicky - Sun, 22 May 2022 21:00 UTC

On Sun, 22 May 2022 20:10:14 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

>On 22-May-22 10:30, Sid Nuncius wrote:
>> On 16/05/2022 17:37, Nick Odell wrote:
>
>> I liked the book very much but not the film.  I thought it was one of
>> those films which tells the story OK but misses much of the depth of the
>> book, and hence lacked much of what stayed with me about the book.
>>
>
>It is pretty rare to see a film, after having read the book, and not
>think it falls short.
>I would be interested to hear where people have found exceptions to this
>'rule'.

I liked The King and I better than Anna and the King of Siam.

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 by: Min - Mon, 23 May 2022 00:40 UTC

On Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 22:01:01 UTC+1, Vicky wrote:
> On Sun, 22 May 2022 20:10:14 +0100, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:
> >On 22-May-22 10:30, Sid Nuncius wrote:
> >> On 16/05/2022 17:37, Nick Odell wrote:
> >
> >> I liked the book very much but not the film. I thought it was one of
> >> those films which tells the story OK but misses much of the depth of the
> >> book, and hence lacked much of what stayed with me about the book.
> >>
> >
> >It is pretty rare to see a film, after having read the book, and not
> >think it falls short.
> >I would be interested to hear where people have found exceptions to this
> >'rule'.
> I liked The King and I better than Anna and the King of Siam.
I was very impressed by 'The French Lieutenant's Woman'. I especially liked
the clever way they did the double ending. And IIRC 'Harry Potter and the Order
of the Phoenix' was a lot better as a film as it left out all the book's teenage angst....
--
Min

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 by: Sid Nuncius - Mon, 23 May 2022 06:00 UTC

On 22/05/2022 20:10, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> On 22-May-22 10:30, Sid Nuncius wrote:
>> On 16/05/2022 17:37, Nick Odell wrote:
>
>> I liked the book very much but not the film.  I thought it was one of
>> those films which tells the story OK but misses much of the depth of
>> the book, and hence lacked much of what stayed with me about the book.
>
> It is pretty rare to see a film, after having read the book, and not
> think it falls short.
> I would be interested to hear where people have found exceptions to this
> 'rule'.

IIRC, I thought the film of One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest rather
better than the book. Nurse Ratched is presented in the book simply as
an authoritarian, rather sadistic bully; in the film, she is convinced
that she is doing the right thing, which I found far more chilling and
rather more subtle.

Schindler's List was a good adaptation of Schindler's Ark.

Some classic noir films like The Maltese Falcon and Double Indemnity do
justice to the originals, I think. (For me, though, none of the films
of Chandler novels are anywhere near as good as the originals, partly
because Chandler was such a brilliant writer of English. The
Altman/Gould version of "The Long Goodbye" was goo but not a patch on
the novel, IMO. Sorry, Nick.

I'm struggling to think of others, but they may come back to me. Or
not. I'm not well versed in film, I'm afraid.

--
Sid
(Make sure Matron is away when you reply)

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 by: John Ashby - Mon, 23 May 2022 07:02 UTC

On 23/05/2022 07:00, Sid Nuncius wrote:
> On 22/05/2022 20:10, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>> On 22-May-22 10:30, Sid Nuncius wrote:
>>> On 16/05/2022 17:37, Nick Odell wrote:
>>
>>> I liked the book very much but not the film.  I thought it was one of
>>> those films which tells the story OK but misses much of the depth of
>>> the book, and hence lacked much of what stayed with me about the book.
>>
>> It is pretty rare to see a film, after having read the book, and not
>> think it falls short.
>> I would be interested to hear where people have found exceptions to
>> this 'rule'.
>
> IIRC, I thought the film of One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest rather
> better than the book.  Nurse Ratched is presented in the book simply as
> an authoritarian, rather sadistic bully; in the film, she is convinced
> that she is doing the right thing, which I found far more chilling and
> rather more subtle.
>
> Schindler's List was a good adaptation of Schindler's Ark.
>
> Some classic noir films like The Maltese Falcon and Double Indemnity do
> justice to the originals, I think.  (For me, though, none of the films
> of Chandler novels are anywhere near as good as the originals, partly
> because Chandler was such a brilliant writer of English.  The
> Altman/Gould version of "The Long Goodbye" was goo but not a patch on
> the novel, IMO.  Sorry, Nick.
>
> I'm struggling to think of others, but they may come back to me.  Or
> not. I'm not well versed in film, I'm afraid.
>
>

2001 is generally regarded as better than The Sentinel, though it may be
that the story was just a jumping off point for the film rather than the
film being an adaptation. It's too long since I read it to remember how
much is Kubrick and how much Clarke.

john

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 by: Mike McMillan - Mon, 23 May 2022 07:13 UTC

John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 22/05/2022 18:18, Sid Nuncius wrote:
>> On 22/05/2022 11:39, John Ashby wrote:
>>> On 22/05/2022 10:33, Sid Nuncius wrote:
>>>> On 16/05/2022 09:50, Mike Ruddock wrote:
>>>>> I am approaching the end of Shuggie Bain, a book which has won at
>>>>> least one literary prize.
>>>>> Has any other 'rat read it?
>>>>
>>>> Sorry to be so late on parade here, but just to say that I read 100
>>>> pages or so of Shuggie Bain before deciding that an unremitting diet
>>>> of rain, alcoholism, violence and misogyny was more than I could take at
>>>> the moment and bailing out.
>>>>
>>>> It was very well done, but boodly hell![1]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [1]Impressive, in-depth literary criticism, eh?
>>>
>>> You could get all that at home?
>>
>> With a small aubergine.
>>
>>
>
> Goodness gracious!
>
> me
>

Boom-diddy-boom!

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

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 by: Penny - Mon, 23 May 2022 07:52 UTC

On Sun, 22 May 2022 17:40:24 -0700 (PDT), Min <quiz.beagle@googlemail.com>
scrawled in the dust...

>IIRC 'Harry Potter and the Order
>of the Phoenix' was a lot better as a film as it left out all the book's teenage angst....

The curse of the unedited bound-to-be-a-best-seller. Publishers annoy me
when they do this. Economically it probably makes sense but it shows little
care for the readers (and writers).

The Harry Potter series doesn't suffer as much as the Clan of the Cave Bear
books (the only film was total rubbish), which were painfully repetitive
and physically difficult to read. Such a shame, they struck me as well
researched.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

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 by: Nick Odell - Mon, 23 May 2022 09:41 UTC

On Mon, 23 May 2022 08:52:35 +0100, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 22 May 2022 17:40:24 -0700 (PDT), Min <quiz.beagle@googlemail.com>
>scrawled in the dust...
>
>>IIRC 'Harry Potter and the Order
>>of the Phoenix' was a lot better as a film as it left out all the book's teenage angst....
>
>The curse of the unedited bound-to-be-a-best-seller. Publishers annoy me
>when they do this. Economically it probably makes sense but it shows little
>care for the readers (and writers).
>
<snipped because I don't know the books in question>

I am not sure to what extent it is the publishers' fault. Some
promising unknown writer comes along, receives huge support and
encouragement and with the aid of the three "Es" (Editing, Editing and
Editing) completes something that readers clamour for.

By book three, the writer has forgotten the support, the encouragement
and the editing and labours under the belief that it was purely their
own naked talent that underpinned their success and determinedly goes
it alone. And guess what? People still buy their books in droves[1]

The writer fails to realise that it's not their unfettered talent
selling books: the readers are now invested in the
series/genre/whatever and it might take several more dud books before
the readers turn away. And for the time being the money keeps coming
in and the writer is probably muttering about how a talent like theirs
doesn't need those "leeches."

What's a publisher to do? Cancel the contract and refuse to publish
because the book isn't good enough? Disappoint all those invested
readers? Perhaps more importantly, explain to the company's investors
why profits are down this year?

Nick

[1]And in bookshops and on-line

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 by: Penny - Mon, 23 May 2022 14:07 UTC

On Mon, 23 May 2022 10:41:16 +0100, Nick Odell
<nick@themusicworkshop.plus.com> scrawled in the dust...

>On Mon, 23 May 2022 08:52:35 +0100, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 22 May 2022 17:40:24 -0700 (PDT), Min <quiz.beagle@googlemail.com>
>>scrawled in the dust...
>>
>>>IIRC 'Harry Potter and the Order
>>>of the Phoenix' was a lot better as a film as it left out all the book's teenage angst....
>>
>>The curse of the unedited bound-to-be-a-best-seller. Publishers annoy me
>>when they do this. Economically it probably makes sense but it shows little
>>care for the readers (and writers).
>>
><snipped because I don't know the books in question>
>
>I am not sure to what extent it is the publishers' fault. Some
>promising unknown writer comes along, receives huge support and
>encouragement and with the aid of the three "Es" (Editing, Editing and
>Editing) completes something that readers clamour for.
>
>By book three, the writer has forgotten the support, the encouragement
>and the editing and labours under the belief that it was purely their
>own naked talent that underpinned their success and determinedly goes
>it alone. And guess what? People still buy their books in droves[1]
>
>The writer fails to realise that it's not their unfettered talent
>selling books: the readers are now invested in the
>series/genre/whatever and it might take several more dud books before
>the readers turn away. And for the time being the money keeps coming
>in and the writer is probably muttering about how a talent like theirs
>doesn't need those "leeches."
>
>What's a publisher to do? Cancel the contract and refuse to publish
>because the book isn't good enough? Disappoint all those invested
>readers? Perhaps more importantly, explain to the company's investors
>why profits are down this year?
>
>Nick
>
>
>[1]And in bookshops and on-line

I dare say the authors carry some of the blame too, but I still blame the
publishers. It was more than usually obvious with Ms Rowling because book
two was more than twice as long as book one but didn't really carry more
story. OTOH, she did manage to get a lot of kids reading - one wonders how
many more might have stuck with the series had the books not been so
frighteningly thick...

Curiously, I once bought (in a charity shop) two books by the same author,
with slightly different titles. They were pretty much the same book -
anecdotes from a retired copper, with much overlap of the stories between
the two. One of the books had a better structure about it. I've never
looked into it but think the other one may have been a 'pay us and we'll
publish your book' job (a step away from self-publishing as an ebook on
Amazon), while the other had some editorial help and maybe a couple more
stories.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

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 by: steve hague - Mon, 23 May 2022 15:19 UTC

>> not. I'm not well versed in film, I'm afraid.
>>
>>
>
> 2001 is generally regarded as better than The Sentinel, though it may be
> that the story was just a jumping off point for the film rather than the
> film being an adaptation. It's too long since I read it to remember how
> much is Kubrick and how much Clarke.
>
> john

I thought the Lord of the Rings films were superbly done. Most of the
things that were left out from the books needed leaving out, Lord of the
Rings- the Musical is not something I would go anywhere near. Only once
in the films did anyone burst into song, and that was rather good,
although done to please Denethor, more of a pschopath than he was in the
books. The table dancing in Rohan was ok. Tom Bombadil couldn't really
have been fitted in, although that chapter would have given us a better
explanation of Merry's sword.
Steve

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 by: John Ashby - Mon, 23 May 2022 15:39 UTC

On 23/05/2022 16:19, steve hague wrote:
>
>>> not. I'm not well versed in film, I'm afraid.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> 2001 is generally regarded as better than The Sentinel, though it may
>> be that the story was just a jumping off point for the film rather
>> than the film being an adaptation. It's too long since I read it to
>> remember how much is Kubrick and how much Clarke.
>>
>> john
>
> I thought the Lord of the Rings films were superbly done. Most of the
> things that were left out from the books needed leaving out, Lord of the
> Rings- the Musical is not something I would go anywhere near. Only once
> in the films did anyone burst into song, and that was rather good,
> although done to please Denethor, more of a pschopath than he was in the
> books. The table dancing in Rohan was ok. Tom Bombadil couldn't really
> have been fitted in, although that chapter would have given us a better
> explanation of Merry's sword.
> Steve

Any True LOTR fan didn't bother with the story but spent all their time
reading the appendices.

john

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 by: Kate B - Mon, 23 May 2022 15:49 UTC

On 23/05/2022 16:39, John Ashby wrote:
> On 23/05/2022 16:19, steve hague wrote:
>>
>>>> not. I'm not well versed in film, I'm afraid.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> 2001 is generally regarded as better than The Sentinel, though it may
>>> be that the story was just a jumping off point for the film rather
>>> than the film being an adaptation. It's too long since I read it to
>>> remember how much is Kubrick and how much Clarke.
>>>
>>> john
>>
>> I thought the Lord of the Rings films were superbly done. Most of the
>> things that were left out from the books needed leaving out, Lord of
>> the Rings- the Musical is not something I would go anywhere near. Only
>> once in the films did anyone burst into song, and that was rather
>> good, although done to please Denethor, more of a pschopath than he
>> was in the books. The table dancing in Rohan was ok. Tom Bombadil
>> couldn't really have been fitted in, although that chapter would have
>> given us a better explanation of Merry's sword.
>> Steve
>
> Any True LOTR fan didn't bother with the story but spent all their time
> reading the appendices.
>

I was that nerdy 15-year-old in 1966 when the second edition came out. I
read the appendices from end to end and back again. I found an anomaly!
And with the impertinence of youth I wrote to Tolkien. And got a reply.
Which, with the sentimentality of age, I have now had framed... and
consequently have become unexpectedly glamorous in the eyes of the
nieces and nephew.

I haven't seen the films, though.

--
Kate B

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 by: Joe Kerr - Mon, 23 May 2022 15:55 UTC

On 23/05/2022 16:39, John Ashby wrote:
> On 23/05/2022 16:19, steve hague wrote:
>>
>>>> not. I'm not well versed in film, I'm afraid.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> 2001 is generally regarded as better than The Sentinel, though it may
>>> be that the story was just a jumping off point for the film rather
>>> than the film being an adaptation. It's too long since I read it to
>>> remember how much is Kubrick and how much Clarke.
>>>
>>> john
>>
>> I thought the Lord of the Rings films were superbly done. Most of the
>> things that were left out from the books needed leaving out, Lord of
>> the Rings- the Musical is not something I would go anywhere near. Only
>> once in the films did anyone burst into song, and that was rather
>> good, although done to please Denethor, more of a pschopath than he
>> was in the books. The table dancing in Rohan was ok. Tom Bombadil
>> couldn't really have been fitted in, although that chapter would have
>> given us a better explanation of Merry's sword.
>> Steve
>
> Any True LOTR fan didn't bother with the story but spent all their time
> reading the appendices.
>
> john

I got about a third of the way through LOTR and realised I had no idea
of the plot as I had been reading it for the sheer pleasure of the text.

--
Ric

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 by: Vicky - Mon, 23 May 2022 15:57 UTC

On Mon, 23 May 2022 16:19:28 +0100, steve hague
<stevehague82@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>>> not. I'm not well versed in film, I'm afraid.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> 2001 is generally regarded as better than The Sentinel, though it may be
>> that the story was just a jumping off point for the film rather than the
>> film being an adaptation. It's too long since I read it to remember how
>> much is Kubrick and how much Clarke.
>>
>> john
>
>I thought the Lord of the Rings films were superbly done. Most of the
>things that were left out from the books needed leaving out, Lord of the
>Rings- the Musical is not something I would go anywhere near. Only once
>in the films did anyone burst into song, and that was rather good,
>although done to please Denethor, more of a pschopath than he was in the
>books. The table dancing in Rohan was ok. Tom Bombadil couldn't really
>have been fitted in, although that chapter would have given us a better
>explanation of Merry's sword.
>Steve

I like Tom Bombadil and the tree stuff.

We saw Ben Hur, the musical, many years ago in Kissimmee on stage at
the Kissimmee Conference Centre. I enjoyed it it more than the film
:). I got souvenirs, pencils and a mug. They actually did the chariot
scene.

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 by: Chris - Mon, 23 May 2022 16:49 UTC

Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 22 May 2022 20:10:14 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>
>> On 22-May-22 10:30, Sid Nuncius wrote:
>>> On 16/05/2022 17:37, Nick Odell wrote:
>>
>>> I liked the book very much but not the film.  I thought it was one of
>>> those films which tells the story OK but misses much of the depth of the
>>> book, and hence lacked much of what stayed with me about the book.
>>>
>>
>> It is pretty rare to see a film, after having read the book, and not
>> think it falls short.
>> I would be interested to hear where people have found exceptions to this
>> 'rule'.
>
> I liked The King and I better than Anna and the King of Siam.
>

Not surprisingly as “The King & I” was based on Anna’s story - this is from
Wikipedia. She wasn’t above embroidering the truth either.

In 1861, Mongkut wrote to his Singapore agent, Tan Kim Ching, asking him to
find a British lady to be governess to the royal children. At the time, the
British community in Singapore was small, and the choice fell on a recent
arrival there, Anna Leonowens (1831–1915), who was running a small nursery
school in the colony.[2] Leonowens was the Anglo-Indian daughter of an
Indian Army soldier and the widow of Thomas Owens, a clerk and hotel
keeper. She had arrived in Singapore two years previously, claiming to be
the genteel widow of an officer and explaining her dark complexion by
stating that she was Welsh by birth. Her deception was not detected until
long after her death, and had still not come to light when The King and I
was written.[3]

Black and white photo of older man and teenage boy standing in uniforms
with bold designs and ornaments
Mongkut with Chulalongkorn, dressed in naval uniforms

Upon receiving the King's invitation, Leonowens sent her daughter, Avis, to
school in England, to give Avis the social advantage of a prestigious
British education, and traveled to Bangkok with her five-year-old son,
Louis.[2] King Mongkut had sought a Briton to teach his children and wives
after trying local missionaries, who used the opportunity to proselytize.
Leonowens initially asked for $150 in Singapore currency per month. Her
additional request, to live in or near the missionary community to ensure
she was not deprived of Western company, aroused suspicion in Mongkut, who
cautioned in a letter, "we need not have teacher of Christianity as they
are abundant here".[4] King Mongkut and Leonowens came to an agreement:
$100 per month and a residence near the royal palace. At a time when most
transport in Bangkok was by boat, Mongkut did not wish to have to arrange
for the teacher to get to work every day.[4] Leonowens and Louis
temporarily lived as guests of Mongkut's prime minister, and after the
first house offered was found to be unsuitable, the family moved into a
brick residence (wooden structures decayed quickly in Bangkok's climate)
within walking distance of the palace.[4]

In 1867, Leonowens took a six-month leave of absence to visit her daughter
Avis in England, intending to deposit Louis at a school in Ireland and
return to Siam with Avis.[5] However, due to unexpected delays and
opportunities for further travel, Leonowens was still abroad in late 1868,
when Mongkut fell ill and died. Leonowens did not return to Siam, although
she continued to correspond with her former pupil, the new king
Chulalongkorn.[6][7]”

Sincerely Chris

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 by: Chris - Mon, 23 May 2022 16:49 UTC

Kate B <elvira@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 23/05/2022 16:39, John Ashby wrote:
>> On 23/05/2022 16:19, steve hague wrote:
>>>
>>>>> not. I'm not well versed in film, I'm afraid.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2001 is generally regarded as better than The Sentinel, though it may
>>>> be that the story was just a jumping off point for the film rather
>>>> than the film being an adaptation. It's too long since I read it to
>>>> remember how much is Kubrick and how much Clarke.
>>>>
>>>> john
>>>
>>> I thought the Lord of the Rings films were superbly done. Most of the
>>> things that were left out from the books needed leaving out, Lord of
>>> the Rings- the Musical is not something I would go anywhere near. Only
>>> once in the films did anyone burst into song, and that was rather
>>> good, although done to please Denethor, more of a pschopath than he
>>> was in the books. The table dancing in Rohan was ok. Tom Bombadil
>>> couldn't really have been fitted in, although that chapter would have
>>> given us a better explanation of Merry's sword.
>>> Steve
>>
>> Any True LOTR fan didn't bother with the story but spent all their time
>> reading the appendices.
>>
>
> I was that nerdy 15-year-old in 1966 when the second edition came out. I
> read the appendices from end to end and back again. I found an anomaly!
> And with the impertinence of youth I wrote to Tolkien. And got a reply.
> Which, with the sentimentality of age, I have now had framed... and
> consequently have become unexpectedly glamorous in the eyes of the
> nieces and nephew.
>
> I haven't seen the films, though.
>

SODAM took me with her to see the first film. I’d never bern to one of
those huge cinemas before. The sound was way too loud for my ears and the
seats would fit two of me.

Watched the rest on DVD but not watched a second time.

Sincerely Chris

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 by: Sid Nuncius - Mon, 23 May 2022 17:02 UTC

On 23/05/2022 16:49, Kate B wrote:
> On 23/05/2022 16:39, John Ashby wrote:

>> Any True LOTR fan didn't bother with the story but spent all their
>> time reading the appendices.
>
> I was that nerdy 15-year-old in 1966 when the second edition came out. I
> read the appendices from end to end and back again. I found an anomaly!
> And with the impertinence of youth I wrote to Tolkien. And got a reply.
> Which, with the sentimentality of age, I have now had framed... and
> consequently have become unexpectedly glamorous in the eyes of the
> nieces and nephew.

Wow - them's some serious knickers[1], Kate!

> I haven't seen the films, though.

I wasn't fussed about them. I found all that CGI unconvincing and it
just got on my nerves, Cate Blanchett had neither the gravitas nor the
beauty for Galadriel, I wasn't at all convinced by Gollum...etc. etc.
etc. I suspect it's just me being a grumpy old git, but I like the
pictures and impressions in my head which have stayed with me since I
read the books in my teens (and through several re-reads), and don't
really want someone else's version forced on me.

Not having to endure Tom Bombadil was a bonus, though, I admit. (Like I
said, grumpy old git.)

[1]I initially mistyped that as "knockers," but couldn't bring myself to
leave it as a TWATBILI.

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 by: BrritSki - Mon, 23 May 2022 17:21 UTC

On 23/05/2022 18:02, Sid Nuncius wrote:
> On 23/05/2022 16:49, Kate B wrote:
>> On 23/05/2022 16:39, John Ashby wrote:
>
>>> Any True LOTR fan didn't bother with the story but spent all their
>>> time reading the appendices.
>>
>> I was that nerdy 15-year-old in 1966 when the second edition came out.
>> I read the appendices from end to end and back again. I found an
>> anomaly! And with the impertinence of youth I wrote to Tolkien. And
>> got a reply. Which, with the sentimentality of age, I have now had
>> framed... and consequently have become unexpectedly glamorous in the
>> eyes of the nieces and nephew.
>
> Wow - them's some serious knickers[1], Kate!

Yes, more details about what anomaly you found and Tolkein's reply please !
>
>> I haven't seen the films, though.
>
> I wasn't fussed about them.  I found all that CGI unconvincing and it
> just got on my nerves, Cate Blanchett had neither the gravitas nor the
> beauty for Galadriel, I wasn't at all convinced by Gollum...etc. etc.
> etc.  I suspect it's just me being a grumpy old git, but I like the
> pictures and impressions in my head which have stayed with me since I
> read the books in my teens (and through several re-reads), and don't
> really want someone else's version forced on me.

<languid wave>

I had the paperback edition on very fine (onion ?) paper with all 3
books in 1 volume. Read it every summer in the late 60s/70s.

I am trying to remember a film we saw recently that lived up to the
book. Master and Commander wasn't bad but was based on 3 books really.
Killick wasn't right but the others were believable.

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 by: Sam Plusnet - Mon, 23 May 2022 17:31 UTC

On 23-May-22 7:00, Sid Nuncius wrote:
> On 22/05/2022 20:10, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>> On 22-May-22 10:30, Sid Nuncius wrote:
>>> On 16/05/2022 17:37, Nick Odell wrote:
>>
>>> I liked the book very much but not the film.  I thought it was one of
>>> those films which tells the story OK but misses much of the depth of
>>> the book, and hence lacked much of what stayed with me about the book.
>>
>> It is pretty rare to see a film, after having read the book, and not
>> think it falls short.
>> I would be interested to hear where people have found exceptions to
>> this 'rule'.
>
> IIRC, I thought the film of One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest rather
> better than the book.  Nurse Ratched is presented in the book simply as
> an authoritarian, rather sadistic bully; in the film, she is convinced
> that she is doing the right thing, which I found far more chilling and
> rather more subtle.
>
> Schindler's List was a good adaptation of Schindler's Ark.
>
> Some classic noir films like The Maltese Falcon and Double Indemnity do
> justice to the originals, I think.  (For me, though, none of the films
> of Chandler novels are anywhere near as good as the originals, partly
> because Chandler was such a brilliant writer of English.  The
> Altman/Gould version of "The Long Goodbye" was goo but not a patch on
> the novel, IMO.  Sorry, Nick.
>
> I'm struggling to think of others, but they may come back to me.  Or
> not. I'm not well versed in film, I'm afraid.

It's hard to tell with those classic noir films, since most people have
not read the book first[1].

[1] Not true perhaps when the films were new, but it takes time to
acquire cult status.

--
Sam Plusnet

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 by: Penny - Mon, 23 May 2022 21:46 UTC

On Mon, 23 May 2022 16:49:04 +0100, Kate B <elvira@nospam.demon.co.uk>
scrawled in the dust...

>On 23/05/2022 16:39, John Ashby wrote:
>> On 23/05/2022 16:19, steve hague wrote:
>>>
>>>>> not. I'm not well versed in film, I'm afraid.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2001 is generally regarded as better than The Sentinel, though it may
>>>> be that the story was just a jumping off point for the film rather
>>>> than the film being an adaptation. It's too long since I read it to
>>>> remember how much is Kubrick and how much Clarke.
>>>>
>>>> john
>>>
>>> I thought the Lord of the Rings films were superbly done. Most of the
>>> things that were left out from the books needed leaving out, Lord of
>>> the Rings- the Musical is not something I would go anywhere near. Only
>>> once in the films did anyone burst into song, and that was rather
>>> good, although done to please Denethor, more of a pschopath than he
>>> was in the books. The table dancing in Rohan was ok. Tom Bombadil
>>> couldn't really have been fitted in, although that chapter would have
>>> given us a better explanation of Merry's sword.
>>> Steve
>>
>> Any True LOTR fan didn't bother with the story but spent all their time
>> reading the appendices.
>>
>
>I was that nerdy 15-year-old in 1966 when the second edition came out. I
>read the appendices from end to end and back again. I found an anomaly!
>And with the impertinence of youth I wrote to Tolkien. And got a reply.
>Which, with the sentimentality of age, I have now had framed... and
>consequently have become unexpectedly glamorous in the eyes of the
>nieces and nephew.
>
>I haven't seen the films, though.

I did go to one of the films in an actual cinema (possibly my penultimate
visit to one, about 20 years ago) with an enthusiastic companion - I fell
asleep. I've tried watching one (possibly the same one) on TV, with the
same result.

I read the books in my teens, and acquired all his other works when I
worked at his publishers.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

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 by: Sid Nuncius - Tue, 24 May 2022 05:08 UTC

On 23/05/2022 18:21, BrritSki wrote:

> I am trying to remember a film we saw recently that lived up to the
> book. Master and Commander wasn't bad but was based on 3 books really.
> Killick wasn't right but the others were believable.

I wasn't keen. It's partly because I'm somewhat allergic to Russell
Crowe, whose vanity as an actor seemed to have insisted on the removal
of all Jack's human flaws, and partly because so much of the pleasure of
the books is O'Brian's prose and the depth of background he paints,
without ever banging you over the head with it.

I can see me reading the whole lot again (for the fourth time, I think)
before long - if only to read the word "obnubilate" again in - I think -
The Mauritius Command.

--
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(Make sure Matron is away when you reply)

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