On 8/12/21 8:26 am, John_H wrote:
> Xeno wrote:
>> On 7/12/21 4:16 pm, John_H wrote:
>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 7/12/21 10:23 am, John_H wrote:
>>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/12/21 10:06 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> fear of deadly snakes is neither irrational or unwarranted
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is not fear that people should have but healthy *respect* for snakes
>>>>>> aided by an understanding of snake behaviour.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm no psychologist (and don't even have any friends who are) but
>>>>> isn't it fear that activates the fight or flight response?
>>>>
>>>> And that is exactly how the snake sees it. The snake would much prefer
>>>> the *flight response*.
>>>
>>> Are you even remotely familiar with the eastern brown (which will
>>> certainly choose fight over flight whenever it suits)?
>>> Their strike time is measured in milliseconds and they don't often
>>> provide a warning. Those I know who've been bitten, and I know
>>> several, never saw it coming (last time I asked, our local hospital
>>> said they'd treated three victims in that particular season). For
>>> those who survive (which is most) the long term after effects can also
>>> be horrendous.
>>>>
>>>>> It's a natural response to anything that poses a threat and anyone who
>>>>> thinks sharing your space with a brown snake constitutes due respect
>>>>> ought make an ideal candidate for a Darwin Award!
>>>>>
>>>> My mate at Moonee Beach moves any brown snakes *away* from his home. He
>>>> picks them up, bags them, and moves them up into the national park at
>>>> the back of his block. Works for him.
>>>
>>> Do you really mean to say he doesn't pick them up with a shovel to
>>> relocate them? :))
>>
>> The one the other day didn't involve a shovel. He did use something to
>> prevent it striking, a broom head? He then grabbed it behind the head. I
>> am just recalling what he told me about that episode, I did not witness
>> it. I ask him for more detail when next we meet. I have seen him pick up
>> snakes before but not a decent sized brown. FWIW, I stay well clear of them.
>
> While you're at it you might also ask the obvious question.... If
> it's safe, or even beneficial, to have brown snakes around his home
> (as is being argued here) why does he feel the need to relocate them?
>
An obvious question, maybe, but an obvious answer - if you know the
bloke and his wife. You see, he relocates the snakes to placate his wife
who tends to be a little paranoid about snakes. This I find unusual
because she comes from a country where snakes are far more common and
prevalent than Australia. My wife grew up on a farm in a country that
has over 50 species of venomous snakes up to and including the King
Cobra. She is nowhere near as paranoid as my mate's wife.

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 8/12/2021 8:59 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 8/12/21 8:26 am, John_H wrote:

>>>> Do you really mean to say he doesn't pick them up with a shovel to
>>>> relocate them?  :))
>>>
>>> The one the other day didn't involve a shovel. He did use something to
>>> prevent it striking, a broom head? He then grabbed it behind the head. I
>>> am just recalling what he told me about that episode, I did not witness
>>> it. I ask him for more detail when next we meet. I have seen him pick up
>>> snakes before but not a decent sized brown. FWIW, I stay well clear
>>> of them.
>>
>> While you're at it you might also ask the obvious question....  If
>> it's safe, or even beneficial, to have brown snakes around his home
>> (as is being argued here) why does he feel the need to relocate them?
>>
> LOL, very good question.

It's an excellent question, and one which shoots barn door sized holes
in Clasener's bullshit tale.

Assuming for the sake of the argument that his "friend" is real, and
there's an extremely good chance that he's as fake as all his other
"convenient" friends, then he must be a complete moron as relocating a
venomous snake that *already* found it's way to your house once is about
as smart as looking into a laser with your remaining eye to see if it
would burn as bad as it did the first time.

Ever notice how when commenting originally Clasener is full of detail,
but when questioned on specifics he goes quite remarkably vague? :)

> I understand why people would not want to kill them but there are
> exceptions when the creature in question is just plain nasty and
> wouldn't hesitate to bite someone.

Eastern Browns are a species of animal that I would have absolutely no
problem in seeing eradicated. We're happy to get rid of rabbits, mice,
rats, cane toads and fuck only knows what else and no one offers up a
word of complaint, yet kill a snake that has the ability to take you out
just because you accidentaly step on it or brush your hand over it while
working in your garden and the morons come out of the woodwork to label
you a "lawbreaker" despite the law being *clearly* on the side of the
person who considers the snake a threat and acts on it.

You can only shake your head and wonder at the utter *stupidity* of
these fucking woke snowflakes.....

> Lots of people are afraid of spiders but my daughter in law is an
> entomologist so she can identify them and isn't afraid, if she see's a
> spider inside and she knows its safe she just picks it up and puts it
> outside, its a case of knowing what she is doing.

This country is famous for having lots of dangerous and deadly animals
and insects. They don't all need to be killed, and I'm not saying they
should be. I don't have a problem with snakes per se'. As I've said,
never seen a Tiger snake here but we've had a couple of Red Bellied
Blacks, but you can just shoo them off through the back fence and they
go away without bothering you. You don't need to kill them even though
they're venomous as their temperament is such that they would rather
take off and run from you at high speed than get into a confrontation.

*Totally* different story with Eastern Browns.

Browns are ridiculously aggressive creatures that will bite you before
you've had a chance to back up and put some distance between you, and in
that sense they're no different to me than a wild dog. They're
unpredictable, they're aggressive, and if you give them the opportunity
to prove it to you they will with the results being potentially disastrous.

I don't hunt snakes and I have zero interest in ever doing so, but if a
brown comes onto my property it gets dispatched pure and simple as it's
very presence is enough of a danger flag for my legal rights to be invoked.

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Regards,
Noddy.

On 8/12/2021 10:44 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 8/12/2021 8:59 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 8/12/21 8:26 am, John_H wrote:
>
>>>>> Do you really mean to say he doesn't pick them up with a shovel to
>>>>> relocate them?  :))
>>>>
>>>> The one the other day didn't involve a shovel. He did use something to
>>>> prevent it striking, a broom head? He then grabbed it behind the
>>>> head. I
>>>> am just recalling what he told me about that episode, I did not
>>>> witness
>>>> it. I ask him for more detail when next we meet. I have seen him
>>>> pick up
>>>> snakes before but not a decent sized brown. FWIW, I stay well clear
>>>> of them.
>>>
>>> While you're at it you might also ask the obvious question....  If
>>> it's safe, or even beneficial, to have brown snakes around his home
>>> (as is being argued here) why does he feel the need to relocate them?
>>>
>> LOL, very good question.
>
> It's an excellent question, and one which shoots barn door sized holes
> in Clasener's bullshit tale.
>
> Assuming for the sake of the argument that his "friend" is real, and
> there's an extremely good chance that he's as fake as all his other
> "convenient" friends, then he must be a complete moron as relocating a
> venomous snake that *already* found it's way to your house once is
> about as smart as looking into a laser with your remaining eye to see
> if it would burn as bad as it did the first time.
>
> Ever notice how when commenting originally Clasener is full of detail,
> but when questioned on specifics he goes quite remarkably vague? :)

how would you know if he's in your killfile (or so you claim)

>
>> I understand why people would not want to kill them but there are
>> exceptions when the creature in question is just plain nasty and
>> wouldn't hesitate to bite someone.
>
> Eastern Browns are a species of animal that I would have absolutely no
> problem in seeing eradicated. We're happy to get rid of rabbits, mice,
> rats, cane toads and fuck only knows what else and no one offers up a
> word of complaint, yet kill a snake that has the ability to take you
> out just because you accidentaly step on it or brush your hand over it
> while working in your garden and the morons come out of the woodwork
> to label you a "lawbreaker" despite the law being *clearly* on the
> side of the person who considers the snake a threat and acts on it.
>
> You can only shake your head and wonder at the utter *stupidity* of
> these fucking woke snowflakes.....
>
>> Lots of people are afraid of spiders but my daughter in law is an
>> entomologist so she can identify them and isn't afraid, if she see's
>> a spider inside and she knows its safe she just picks it up and puts
>> it outside, its a case of knowing what she is doing.
>
> This country is famous for having lots of dangerous and deadly animals
> and insects. They don't all need to be killed, and I'm not saying they
> should be. I don't have a problem with snakes per se'. As I've said,
> never seen a Tiger snake here but we've had a couple of Red Bellied
> Blacks, but you can just shoo them off through the back fence and they
> go away without bothering you. You don't need to kill them even though
> they're venomous as their temperament is such that they would rather
> take off and run from you at high speed than get into a confrontation.
>
> *Totally* different story with Eastern Browns.
>
> Browns are ridiculously aggressive creatures that will bite you before
> you've had a chance to back up and put some distance between you, and
> in that sense they're no different to me than a wild dog. They're
> unpredictable, they're aggressive, and if you give them the
> opportunity to prove it to you they will with the results being
> potentially disastrous.
>
> I don't hunt snakes and I have zero interest in ever doing so, but if
> a brown comes onto my property it gets dispatched pure and simple as
> it's very presence is enough of a danger flag for my legal rights to
> be invoked.
>
>
>
>
>

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"his opinions have been crushed into insignificant dust
by the enormous weight of his lies" - Alvey on Derro

On 5/12/2021 11:38 am, John_H wrote:
> Xeno wrote:
>> Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote:
>>> On 4/12/2021 5:41 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>
>>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his
>>>> garage the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head
>>>> placed on its body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up
>>>> into the national park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill
>>>> snakes even if they get into his garage. His python, now sadly
>>>> deceased, used to just slither by him when he was seated on his deck
>>>> sipping coffee. I used to watch his python sun itself on bushes just
>>>> near the deck.
>>>>
>>>
>>> i really don't get the wisdom of the 'catch and release' policy for
>>> deadly snakes- remove it from one place where it's potentially a deadly
>>> danger and put it someplace else where it remains so.
>>>
>>
>> Put simply, vermin control. Take out all the snakes and you invariably end
>> up with a rodent or rabbit plague. My mate will tell you all about how that
>> works, one single python kept the rabbits at bay on his block.
>
> That simply isn't true!
> During summer, when they're most active, an adult brown snake only
> eats a rodent every couple of weeks or so. Brown snakes and mice (or
> rats) happily coexist.

No they don't. The presence of snakes scares off the rats and mice. This
is abundantly clear if you had ever bothered to pay attention to snake
behaviour instead of simply unlawfully killing them.

> Adult Carpet Pythons will eat rabbits at about the same frequency.
> They also hunt native birds (and chooks) but consume very few of
> either.
>

The frequency they consume rabbits, rats and birds at is irrelevant. A
snakes presence is enough to scare them off. Even the smell of snake
faeces is enough to scare them off!

Again, your pig-ignorance on full display.

On 5/12/2021 12:14 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 5/12/21 2:38 pm, John_H wrote:
>> Xeno wrote:
>>> Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>> On 4/12/2021 5:41 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his
>>>>> garage the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head
>>>>> placed on its body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up
>>>>> into the national park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill
>>>>> snakes even if they get into his garage. His python, now sadly
>>>>> deceased, used to just slither by him when he was seated on his deck
>>>>> sipping coffee. I used to watch his python sun itself on bushes just
>>>>> near the deck.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> i really don't get the wisdom of the 'catch and release' policy for
>>>> deadly snakes- remove it from one place where it's potentially a deadly
>>>> danger and put it someplace else where it remains so.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Put simply, vermin control. Take out all the snakes and you
>>> invariably end
>>> up with a rodent or rabbit plague. My mate will tell you all about
>>> how that
>>> works, one single python kept the rabbits at bay on his block.
>>
>> That simply isn't true!
>>   During summer, when they're most active, an adult brown snake only
>> eats a rodent every couple of weeks or so.  Brown snakes and mice (or
>> rats) happily coexist.
>> Adult Carpet Pythons will eat rabbits at about the same frequency.
>> They also hunt native birds (and chooks) but consume very few of
>> either.
>>
> Well, he will tell you he never had a problem with rabbits before the
> python died.

That's because he wouldn't have.

He now has heaps of rabbits. He puts it down to the absence
> of his single python.

That is the reason. Just the smell of a snake keeps them away. The more
observant among us will know this from first hand experience.

I don't live on his block, I can only take his
> word for it. Not so difficult to do since his name is not Darren.
>

I can tell you that is exactly what happens because I have observed it
first hand. I wouldn't put any faith in the word of ignorant twits that
go around unlawfully killing snakes that pose no threat.

On 8/12/21 11:22 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 8/12/2021 10:44 am, Noddy wrote:
>> On 8/12/2021 8:59 am, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 8/12/21 8:26 am, John_H wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Do you really mean to say he doesn't pick them up with a shovel to
>>>>>> relocate them?  :))
>>>>>
>>>>> The one the other day didn't involve a shovel. He did use something to
>>>>> prevent it striking, a broom head? He then grabbed it behind the
>>>>> head. I
>>>>> am just recalling what he told me about that episode, I did not
>>>>> witness
>>>>> it. I ask him for more detail when next we meet. I have seen him
>>>>> pick up
>>>>> snakes before but not a decent sized brown. FWIW, I stay well clear
>>>>> of them.
>>>>
>>>> While you're at it you might also ask the obvious question....  If
>>>> it's safe, or even beneficial, to have brown snakes around his home
>>>> (as is being argued here) why does he feel the need to relocate them?
>>>>
>>> LOL, very good question.
>>
>> It's an excellent question, and one which shoots barn door sized holes
>> in Clasener's bullshit tale.
>>
>> Assuming for the sake of the argument that his "friend" is real, and
>> there's an extremely good chance that he's as fake as all his other
>> "convenient" friends, then he must be a complete moron as relocating a
>> venomous snake that *already* found it's way to your house once is
>> about as smart as looking into a laser with your remaining eye to see
>> if it would burn as bad as it did the first time.
>>
>> Ever notice how when commenting originally Clasener is full of detail,
>> but when questioned on specifics he goes quite remarkably vague? :)
>
>
> how would you know if he's in your killfile (or so you claim)

It's the *killfail* to top all killfails. You would think the clown
would learn, but he's incapable of that. That was the same assessment
made when he failed to qualify for any apprenticeship ever - his *exam
results* or, more correctly, the total absence of them, was enough to
keep him out of the trade in any real sense - and it's been a source of
extreme bitterness for Darren ever since.
>
>
>>
>>> I understand why people would not want to kill them but there are
>>> exceptions when the creature in question is just plain nasty and
>>> wouldn't hesitate to bite someone.
>>
>> Eastern Browns are a species of animal that I would have absolutely no
>> problem in seeing eradicated. We're happy to get rid of rabbits, mice,
>> rats, cane toads and fuck only knows what else and no one offers up a
>> word of complaint, yet kill a snake that has the ability to take you
>> out just because you accidentaly step on it or brush your hand over it
>> while working in your garden and the morons come out of the woodwork
>> to label you a "lawbreaker" despite the law being *clearly* on the
>> side of the person who considers the snake a threat and acts on it.
>>
>> You can only shake your head and wonder at the utter *stupidity* of
>> these fucking woke snowflakes.....
>>
>>> Lots of people are afraid of spiders but my daughter in law is an
>>> entomologist so she can identify them and isn't afraid, if she see's
>>> a spider inside and she knows its safe she just picks it up and puts
>>> it outside, its a case of knowing what she is doing.
>>
>> This country is famous for having lots of dangerous and deadly animals
>> and insects. They don't all need to be killed, and I'm not saying they
>> should be. I don't have a problem with snakes per se'. As I've said,
>> never seen a Tiger snake here but we've had a couple of Red Bellied
>> Blacks, but you can just shoo them off through the back fence and they
>> go away without bothering you. You don't need to kill them even though
>> they're venomous as their temperament is such that they would rather
>> take off and run from you at high speed than get into a confrontation.
>>
>> *Totally* different story with Eastern Browns.
>>
>> Browns are ridiculously aggressive creatures that will bite you before
>> you've had a chance to back up and put some distance between you, and
>> in that sense they're no different to me than a wild dog. They're
>> unpredictable, they're aggressive, and if you give them the
>> opportunity to prove it to you they will with the results being
>> potentially disastrous.
>>
>> I don't hunt snakes and I have zero interest in ever doing so, but if
>> a brown comes onto my property it gets dispatched pure and simple as
>> it's very presence is enough of a danger flag for my legal rights to
>> be invoked.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 8/12/21 12:44 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 5/12/2021 11:38 am, John_H wrote:
>> Xeno wrote:
>>> Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>> On 4/12/2021 5:41 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his
>>>>> garage the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head
>>>>> placed on its body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up
>>>>> into the national park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill
>>>>> snakes even if they get into his garage. His python, now sadly
>>>>> deceased, used to just slither by him when he was seated on his deck
>>>>> sipping coffee. I used to watch his python sun itself on bushes just
>>>>> near the deck.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> i really don't get the wisdom of the 'catch and release' policy for
>>>> deadly snakes- remove it from one place where it's potentially a deadly
>>>> danger and put it someplace else where it remains so.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Put simply, vermin control. Take out all the snakes and you
>>> invariably end
>>> up with a rodent or rabbit plague. My mate will tell you all about
>>> how that
>>> works, one single python kept the rabbits at bay on his block.
>>
>> That simply isn't true!
>>   During summer, when they're most active, an adult brown snake only
>> eats a rodent every couple of weeks or so.  Brown snakes and mice (or
>> rats) happily coexist.
>
> No they don't. The presence of snakes scares off the rats and mice. This
> is abundantly clear if you had ever bothered to pay attention to snake
> behaviour instead of simply unlawfully killing them.

That seems to be the case. When my mate's python was about, there were
no rabbits to be seen. His python may not have eaten all that many but
the others sure didn't hang around for the same fate.
>
>> Adult Carpet Pythons will eat rabbits at about the same frequency.
>> They also hunt native birds (and chooks) but consume very few of
>> either.
>>
>
> The frequency they consume rabbits, rats and birds at is irrelevant. A
> snakes presence is enough to scare them off. Even the smell of snake
> faeces is enough to scare them off!
>
> Again, your pig-ignorance on full display.
>

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Noddy wrote:
>
>Browns are ridiculously aggressive creatures that will bite you before
>you've had a chance to back up and put some distance between you, and in
>that sense they're no different to me than a wild dog. They're
>unpredictable, they're aggressive, and if you give them the opportunity
>to prove it to you they will with the results being potentially disastrous.
>
>I don't hunt snakes and I have zero interest in ever doing so, but if a
>brown comes onto my property it gets dispatched pure and simple as it's
>very presence is enough of a danger flag for my legal rights to be invoked.

I certainly don't hunt them and even tolerate the occasional brown so
long as it remains outside the house, or at least until wife complains
although she's quite capable of dealing with them herself.

Personally I prefer browns to green tree snakes which are even more
aggressive in their behaviour. Although they aren't venomous they'll
feign a strike at the slightest provocation. They're also notorious
home invaders and emit a foul stink at any attempt to handle them (as
wife once discovered when she tried to remove one from her laundry
tub) . That particular snake never survived!

This one's good for a laugh....
https://awpc.org.au/green-tree-snakes-are-the-most-dangerous-heres-why/

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John H

On 8/12/21 4:32 pm, John_H wrote:
> Noddy wrote:
>>
>> Browns are ridiculously aggressive creatures that will bite you before
>> you've had a chance to back up and put some distance between you, and in
>> that sense they're no different to me than a wild dog. They're
>> unpredictable, they're aggressive, and if you give them the opportunity
>> to prove it to you they will with the results being potentially disastrous.
>>
>> I don't hunt snakes and I have zero interest in ever doing so, but if a
>> brown comes onto my property it gets dispatched pure and simple as it's
>> very presence is enough of a danger flag for my legal rights to be invoked.
>
> I certainly don't hunt them and even tolerate the occasional brown so
> long as it remains outside the house, or at least until wife complains
> although she's quite capable of dealing with them herself.
>
> Personally I prefer browns to green tree snakes which are even more
> aggressive in their behaviour. Although they aren't venomous they'll
> feign a strike at the slightest provocation. They're also notorious
> home invaders and emit a foul stink at any attempt to handle them (as
> wife once discovered when she tried to remove one from her laundry
> tub) . That particular snake never survived!
>
> This one's good for a laugh....
> https://awpc.org.au/green-tree-snakes-are-the-most-dangerous-heres-why/
>
ROTFL.

--
Daryl

On 8/12/2021 10:12 am, John_H wrote:
> Noddy wrote:
>>
>> Most snake handlers are morons in my opinion. The very worst way to ever
>> pick up a snake, particularly something like a pissed off Brown, is by
>> the tail. The quickest move most snakes can make is to turn back on
>> themselves.
>
> It comes across as some form of a weird obsession among those I've
> encountered and most get bitten at some point in their careers.

Yeah, they seem to be on some kind of adrenaline kick.

> Snake handling exhibitions are a regular, and popular, feature at
> country agricultural shows (paid for by the local show societies) and
> every handler I've ever asked has been bitten.
>
> Probably the most famous of the snake showmen was Ram Chandra with
> whom I had a conversation only a few weeks before he died. Told me
> he'd been bitten a number of times. He looked 20 years older than he
> was and a cripple to boot (as he'd been for many years). At that
> stage he had an assistant to set up his display as well as to get him
> in and out of his car.

Nice. I wonder what the "fun" bits were?

> I also once worked with a bloke who kept snakes as a hobby and who'd
> been bitten on several occasions. He was still in his early thirties
> and already suffered from severe arthritis (which is apparently a long
> term side effect of snakebite).

Idiots. They should do it like the Indian Cobra charmers do. Pull the
fangs out of the snakes before they include them as part of the act :)

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--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 8/12/2021 4:32 pm, John_H wrote:
> Noddy wrote:
>>
>> Browns are ridiculously aggressive creatures that will bite you before
>> you've had a chance to back up and put some distance between you, and in
>> that sense they're no different to me than a wild dog. They're
>> unpredictable, they're aggressive, and if you give them the opportunity
>> to prove it to you they will with the results being potentially disastrous.
>>
>> I don't hunt snakes and I have zero interest in ever doing so, but if a
>> brown comes onto my property it gets dispatched pure and simple as it's
>> very presence is enough of a danger flag for my legal rights to be invoked.
>
> I certainly don't hunt them and even tolerate the occasional brown so
> long as it remains outside the house, or at least until wife complains
> although she's quite capable of dealing with them herself.
>
> Personally I prefer browns to green tree snakes which are even more
> aggressive in their behaviour. Although they aren't venomous they'll
> feign a strike at the slightest provocation. They're also notorious
> home invaders and emit a foul stink at any attempt to handle them (as
> wife once discovered when she tried to remove one from her laundry
> tub) . That particular snake never survived!
>
> This one's good for a laugh....
> https://awpc.org.au/green-tree-snakes-are-the-most-dangerous-heres-why/

Lol :)

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--
Regards,
Noddy.

Xeno wrote:
>On 8/12/21 8:26 am, John_H wrote:
>> Xeno wrote:
>>> On 7/12/21 4:16 pm, John_H wrote:
>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 7/12/21 10:23 am, John_H wrote:
>>>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/12/21 10:06 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> fear of deadly snakes is neither irrational or unwarranted
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is not fear that people should have but healthy *respect* for snakes
>>>>>>> aided by an understanding of snake behaviour.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm no psychologist (and don't even have any friends who are) but
>>>>>> isn't it fear that activates the fight or flight response?
>>>>>
>>>>> And that is exactly how the snake sees it. The snake would much prefer
>>>>> the *flight response*.
>>>>
>>>> Are you even remotely familiar with the eastern brown (which will
>>>> certainly choose fight over flight whenever it suits)?
>>>> Their strike time is measured in milliseconds and they don't often
>>>> provide a warning. Those I know who've been bitten, and I know
>>>> several, never saw it coming (last time I asked, our local hospital
>>>> said they'd treated three victims in that particular season). For
>>>> those who survive (which is most) the long term after effects can also
>>>> be horrendous.
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's a natural response to anything that poses a threat and anyone who
>>>>>> thinks sharing your space with a brown snake constitutes due respect
>>>>>> ought make an ideal candidate for a Darwin Award!
>>>>>>
>>>>> My mate at Moonee Beach moves any brown snakes *away* from his home. He
>>>>> picks them up, bags them, and moves them up into the national park at
>>>>> the back of his block. Works for him.
>>>>
>>>> Do you really mean to say he doesn't pick them up with a shovel to
>>>> relocate them? :))
>>>
>>> The one the other day didn't involve a shovel. He did use something to
>>> prevent it striking, a broom head? He then grabbed it behind the head. I
>>> am just recalling what he told me about that episode, I did not witness
>>> it. I ask him for more detail when next we meet. I have seen him pick up
>>> snakes before but not a decent sized brown. FWIW, I stay well clear of them.
>>
>> While you're at it you might also ask the obvious question.... If
>> it's safe, or even beneficial, to have brown snakes around his home
>> (as is being argued here) why does he feel the need to relocate them?
>>
>An obvious question, maybe, but an obvious answer - if you know the
>bloke and his wife. You see, he relocates the snakes to placate his wife
>who tends to be a little paranoid about snakes. This I find unusual
>because she comes from a country where snakes are far more common and
>prevalent than Australia. My wife grew up on a farm in a country that
>has over 50 species of venomous snakes up to and including the King
>Cobra. She is nowhere near as paranoid as my mate's wife.

Your mate's wife sounds a bit like mine. She's paranoid about browns
because she knows how dangerous they are but doesn't mind pythons.

However I doubt she'd approve relocating them to a national park that
happens to be a popular beach!... https://tinyurl.com/wzv4t9vh

"My mate at Moonee Beach moves any brown snakes *away* from his home.
He picks them up, bags them, and moves them up into the national park
at the back of his block. Works for him."

--
John H

On 9/12/2021 8:04 am, John_H wrote:
> Xeno wrote:

>> An obvious question, maybe, but an obvious answer - if you know the
>> bloke and his wife. You see, he relocates the snakes to placate his wife
>> who tends to be a little paranoid about snakes. This I find unusual
>> because she comes from a country where snakes are far more common and
>> prevalent than Australia. My wife grew up on a farm in a country that
>> has over 50 species of venomous snakes up to and including the King
>> Cobra. She is nowhere near as paranoid as my mate's wife.
>
> Your mate's wife sounds a bit like mine. She's paranoid about browns
> because she knows how dangerous they are but doesn't mind pythons.
>
> However I doubt she'd approve relocating them to a national park that
> happens to be a popular beach!... https://tinyurl.com/wzv4t9vh
>
> "My mate at Moonee Beach moves any brown snakes *away* from his home.
> He picks them up, bags them, and moves them up into the national park
> at the back of his block. Works for him."

Lol :)

More of Clasener's fantasy coming back to make him look like the shit
talking idiot that he is :)

--
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--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 9/12/21 8:04 am, John_H wrote:
> Xeno wrote:
>> On 8/12/21 8:26 am, John_H wrote:
>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 7/12/21 4:16 pm, John_H wrote:
>>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/12/21 10:23 am, John_H wrote:
>>>>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 6/12/21 10:06 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> fear of deadly snakes is neither irrational or unwarranted
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is not fear that people should have but healthy *respect* for snakes
>>>>>>>> aided by an understanding of snake behaviour.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm no psychologist (and don't even have any friends who are) but
>>>>>>> isn't it fear that activates the fight or flight response?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And that is exactly how the snake sees it. The snake would much prefer
>>>>>> the *flight response*.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you even remotely familiar with the eastern brown (which will
>>>>> certainly choose fight over flight whenever it suits)?
>>>>> Their strike time is measured in milliseconds and they don't often
>>>>> provide a warning. Those I know who've been bitten, and I know
>>>>> several, never saw it coming (last time I asked, our local hospital
>>>>> said they'd treated three victims in that particular season). For
>>>>> those who survive (which is most) the long term after effects can also
>>>>> be horrendous.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's a natural response to anything that poses a threat and anyone who
>>>>>>> thinks sharing your space with a brown snake constitutes due respect
>>>>>>> ought make an ideal candidate for a Darwin Award!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> My mate at Moonee Beach moves any brown snakes *away* from his home. He
>>>>>> picks them up, bags them, and moves them up into the national park at
>>>>>> the back of his block. Works for him.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you really mean to say he doesn't pick them up with a shovel to
>>>>> relocate them? :))
>>>>
>>>> The one the other day didn't involve a shovel. He did use something to
>>>> prevent it striking, a broom head? He then grabbed it behind the head. I
>>>> am just recalling what he told me about that episode, I did not witness
>>>> it. I ask him for more detail when next we meet. I have seen him pick up
>>>> snakes before but not a decent sized brown. FWIW, I stay well clear of them.
>>>
>>> While you're at it you might also ask the obvious question.... If
>>> it's safe, or even beneficial, to have brown snakes around his home
>>> (as is being argued here) why does he feel the need to relocate them?
>>>
>> An obvious question, maybe, but an obvious answer - if you know the
>> bloke and his wife. You see, he relocates the snakes to placate his wife
>> who tends to be a little paranoid about snakes. This I find unusual
>> because she comes from a country where snakes are far more common and
>> prevalent than Australia. My wife grew up on a farm in a country that
>> has over 50 species of venomous snakes up to and including the King
>> Cobra. She is nowhere near as paranoid as my mate's wife.
>
> Your mate's wife sounds a bit like mine. She's paranoid about browns
> because she knows how dangerous they are but doesn't mind pythons.

She's happy with the python as long as it was in or on the bushes. She
wasn't all that happy when it knocked over a pot plant on the deck and
scared the crap out of her when she realised why the pot fell over.
>
> However I doubt she'd approve relocating them to a national park that
> happens to be a popular beach!... https://tinyurl.com/wzv4t9vh
>
> "My mate at Moonee Beach moves any brown snakes *away* from his home.
> He picks them up, bags them, and moves them up into the national park
> at the back of his block. Works for him."
>
Wrong side of the Pacific Highway. Heritage Park is on the western side
and he lives at the back of it on Palm Grove Place. It's actually a
state forest rather than a national park, my bad. Wedding Bells State
Forest, to be precise.

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 9/12/21 9:24 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 9/12/2021 8:04 am, John_H wrote:
>> Xeno wrote:
>
>>> An obvious question, maybe, but an obvious answer - if you know the
>>> bloke and his wife. You see, he relocates the snakes to placate his wife
>>> who tends to be a little paranoid about snakes. This I find unusual
>>> because she comes from a country where snakes are far more common and
>>> prevalent than Australia. My wife grew up on a farm in a country that
>>> has over 50 species of venomous snakes up to and including the King
>>> Cobra. She is nowhere near as paranoid as my mate's wife.
>>
>> Your mate's wife sounds a bit like mine.  She's paranoid about browns
>> because she knows how dangerous they are but doesn't mind pythons.
>>
>> However I doubt she'd approve relocating them to a national park that
>> happens to be a popular beach!... https://tinyurl.com/wzv4t9vh
>>
>> "My mate at Moonee Beach moves any brown snakes *away* from his home.
>> He picks them up, bags them, and moves them up into the national park
>> at the back of his block. Works for him."
>
> Lol :)
>
> More of Clasener's fantasy coming back to make him look like the shit
> talking idiot that he is :)
>
>
>
Noddy, please cover that mirror. You're the only shit talking idiot here.

--
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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 7/12/2021 8:18 am, Xeno wrote:
> On 7/12/21 10:23 am, John_H wrote:
>> Xeno wrote:
>>> On 6/12/21 10:06 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>
>>>> fear of deadly snakes is neither irrational or unwarranted
>>>
>>> It is not fear that people should have but healthy *respect* for snakes
>>> aided by an understanding of snake behaviour.
>>
>> I'm no psychologist (and don't even have any friends who are) but
>> isn't it fear that activates the fight or flight response?
>
> And that is exactly how the snake sees it. The snake would much prefer
> the *flight response*.
>>
>> It's a natural response to anything that poses a threat and anyone who
>> thinks sharing your space with a brown snake constitutes due respect
>> ought make an ideal candidate for a Darwin Award!
>>
> My mate at Moonee Beach moves any brown snakes *away* from his home. He
> picks them up, bags them, and moves them up into the national park at
> the back of his block. Works for him.
>

Works for anyone who is educated, reasonable, logical and rational.

Snake bites are rare unless the snake is provoked and deaths ever rarer.
Most bites occur when people try to kill a snake or otherwise threaten
them so by trying to kill them you are inviting Darwin.

You can't teach morons though, they would still rather unlawfully kill a
snake and put themselves at far greater risk of a bite and potentially
death!

On 7/12/2021 1:16 pm, John_H wrote:
> Xeno wrote:
>> On 7/12/21 10:23 am, John_H wrote:
>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 6/12/21 10:06 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> fear of deadly snakes is neither irrational or unwarranted
>>>>
>>>> It is not fear that people should have but healthy *respect* for snakes
>>>> aided by an understanding of snake behaviour.
>>>
>>> I'm no psychologist (and don't even have any friends who are) but
>>> isn't it fear that activates the fight or flight response?
>>
>> And that is exactly how the snake sees it. The snake would much prefer
>> the *flight response*.
>
> Are you even remotely familiar with the eastern brown (which will
> certainly choose fight over flight whenever it suits)?

RUBBISH!

On 10/12/2021 3:41 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 7/12/2021 8:18 am, Xeno wrote:
>> On 7/12/21 10:23 am, John_H wrote:
>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 6/12/21 10:06 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> fear of deadly snakes is neither irrational or unwarranted
>>>>
>>>> It is not fear that people should have but healthy *respect* for snakes
>>>> aided by an understanding of snake behaviour.
>>>
>>> I'm no psychologist (and don't even have any friends who are) but
>>> isn't it fear that activates the fight or flight response?
>>
>> And that is exactly how the snake sees it. The snake would much prefer
>> the *flight response*.
>>>
>>> It's a natural response to anything that poses a threat and anyone who
>>> thinks sharing your space with a brown snake constitutes due respect
>>> ought make an ideal candidate for a Darwin Award!
>>>
>> My mate at Moonee Beach moves any brown snakes *away* from his home.
>> He picks them up, bags them, and moves them up into the national park
>> at the back of his block. Works for him.

"My mate"??? "picks them up"??? Yeah, and I call bullshit, Tomas. As
you like to spout: "Photo's or it didn't happen" and WE ALL KNOW how
remiss you are at providing proof of your "manifold claims", and "sudden
friends", deleted post man... (instant expert, with a "friend", of near
every subject discussed in aus.cars in 12 years, Krypsis?" He's not an
outboard mechanic too? Or a rail yard "manager"?

> Works for anyone who is educated, reasonable, logical and rational.

Which John H obviously is.. More so that anyone else in here... You
seem to base your whole idea that snakes are fine, on a *python*. I
guarantee you won't get within 3 feet of a decent sized eastern brown
without you either
a: shitting your pants,
b: panicking,
c: getting bitten.
d: all of the above

You seem oblivious to how cranky EB's are. And I understand. You don't
have them there in WA. But we do. And once one stands up at you, I think
you may change your mind. You dont have anything anywhere as cranky as
an Eastern Brown. Dugites, whilst extremely poisonous, are nowhere near
as aggressive as the EB, and apparently not as poisonous either....

> Snake bites are rare unless the snake is provoked and deaths ever rarer.

Depends on which snake you're talking about...

Getting hit by a comet is rare, too. Yep, snake bites from *venomous*
snakes are uncommon. (which is a figure *varying* from zero to
whatever). The guy i bought my Deutz tractor from got bitten in long
grass whilst installing a tree shroud. He didnt even know till he
knocked off, sat down to have a beer, and felt his pants leg wet. Looked
down, and blood everywhere. Washed it off, and two puncture marks approx
1 cm apart on the back of his leg. Turns out it was a dry bite/strike.
Would be either a brown, copperhead or tiger. But not a python.

EB's hold the record for deaths in Aus, more deaths from them, than
*all* other venomous snakes combined. They deserve way more respect than
any another snake in Aus. The runs are on the board.

And it's not just the deaths.. the injuries, disfigurements, months in
hospital after a bite...

> Most bites occur when people try to kill a snake or otherwise threaten
> them so by trying to kill them you are inviting Darwin.

I agree *totally* with this sentence.. *But*, there are times when an
attempt to kill an Eastern Brown is maybe the wisest/sensible thing
thing to do. *SOMETIMES* they just get in the way. It's said that 9 out
of 10 snakebites are from people attempting to kill a snake. Shame they
dont say *how*, or which snake!... I'm betting if it involves a broom
would be the winner there.. a broom, or a human hand "He picks them
up".... Hello, Darwin....? :-) 12g works a treat.

> You can't teach morons though, they would still rather unlawfully kill a
> snake and put themselves at far greater risk of a bite and potentially
> death!

Luckily, I've never had to kill a EB, there simply arent enough of them
around my joint, that I'm *aware* of. But if there was a sound reason,
ie if I, or my family, was threatened, i'd turn it into fish fingers,
*as the law allows*. You can scream all you like about what others have
described, but from my experience, I'm not fucking around with "brooms,
and then picking them up" (there's the 10% that get bitten!!). And if
there's an issue with killing native wildlife, then call the police.
I've done it once, and happy to do it again, if it means me or mine
arent threatened,injured or killed.. And *thats the LAW* . As someone
who is educated, reasonable, logical and rational has shown.

Sorry Clocky, it's not your way or the highway...Maybe over there, but
not over here. The law is the law. And if you or your kids life is
threatened by a venomous snake, then there's no option. Would you wait
whilst an angry EB slid under your child's cot? Get a broom and grab
it's head? Hard to answer when there are none in your locale. What you
say doesn't marry up here on the eastern half of the country. It seems
no-one gives a shit about a python...slow, fat things that eat a rabbit
or cat and then fall asleep for 2 weeks... when they can catch one...
and if you suffer a bite? Not the end of the world. But an Eastern Brown
with the rags on?? Completely different critter.

On 11/12/2021 6:11 pm, lindsay wrote:
> On 10/12/2021 3:41 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 7/12/2021 8:18 am, Xeno wrote:

>>> My mate at Moonee Beach moves any brown snakes *away* from his home.
>>> He picks them up, bags them, and moves them up into the national park
>>> at the back of his block. Works for him.
>
> "My mate"??? "picks them up"???  Yeah, and I call bullshit, Tomas.

You, me, and everyone else who's ever had anything to do with a Brown snake.

> As you like to spout: "Photo's or it didn't happen" and WE ALL KNOW how
> remiss you are at providing proof of your "manifold claims", and "sudden
> friends", deleted post man... (instant expert, with a "friend", of near
> every subject discussed in aus.cars in 12 years, Krypsis?" He's not an
> outboard mechanic too? Or a rail yard "manager"?

:)

>> Works for anyone who is educated, reasonable, logical and rational.
>
> Which John H obviously is..  More so that anyone else in here...

Indeed.

> You seem to base your whole idea that snakes are fine, on a *python*. I
> guarantee you won't get within 3 feet of a decent sized eastern brown
> without you either
> a: shitting your pants,
> b: panicking,
> c: getting bitten.
> d: all of the above

Absolutely. Never been within cooee of and EB, but is an authority on
the things.....

> You seem oblivious to how cranky EB's are. And I understand. You don't
> have them there in WA. But we do. And once one stands up at you, I think
> you may change your mind. You dont have anything anywhere as cranky as
> an Eastern Brown. Dugites, whilst extremely poisonous, are nowhere near
> as aggressive as the EB, and apparently not as poisonous either....
>
>> Snake bites are rare unless the snake is provoked and deaths ever rarer.
>
> Depends on which snake you're talking about...

Actually, snake bites are far more common than most people are aware:

> https://www.theaustralian.com.au/science/doctors-admit-growing-doubts-about-best-treatment-for-snake-bite-victims/news-story/a318903582034a8511039a1695b0b323

"Snake bites are common in ­Australia, with about 3000 people bitten
every year, 500 hospitalised and two deaths"

Thankfully the mortality rate is low, and that's largely due to
excellent medical treatment options, but the number of bites is quite
high at just over 8 people per day on average.

> Getting hit by a comet is rare, too. Yep, snake bites from *venomous*
> snakes are uncommon. (which is a figure *varying* from zero to
> whatever). The guy i bought my Deutz tractor from got bitten in long
> grass whilst installing a tree shroud. He didnt even know till he
> knocked off, sat down to have a beer, and felt his pants leg wet. Looked
> down, and blood everywhere. Washed it off, and two puncture marks approx
> 1 cm apart on the back of his leg. Turns out it was a dry bite/strike.
> Would be either a brown, copperhead or tiger. But not a python.
>
> EB's hold the record for deaths in Aus, more deaths from them, than
> *all* other venomous snakes combined. They deserve way more respect than
> any another snake in Aus. The runs are on the board.
>
> And it's not just the deaths.. the injuries, disfigurements, months in
> hospital after a bite...

And this is the main point that gets completely ignored right here: The
long term suffering survivors. Like Covid, the statistics don't tell the
full story as they only give you the number of fatalities. There are
*many* more who survive but are left with long term issues.

>> Most bites occur when people try to kill a snake or otherwise threaten
>> them so by trying to kill them you are inviting Darwin.
>
> I agree *totally* with this sentence.. *But*, there are times when an
> attempt to kill an Eastern Brown is maybe the wisest/sensible thing
> thing to do. *SOMETIMES* they just get in the way. It's said that 9 out
> of 10 snakebites are from people attempting to kill a snake. Shame they
> dont say *how*, or which snake!... I'm betting if it involves a broom
> would be the winner there.. a broom, or a human hand "He picks them
> up"....  Hello, Darwin....? :-)

Lol :)

> 12g works a treat.

Yep.

>> You can't teach morons though, they would still rather unlawfully kill
>> a snake and put themselves at far greater risk of a bite and
>> potentially death!

It is *not* illegal to kill a venomous snake. For fuck's sake the *law*
has been laid bare in front of you and you *still* ignore it.

That takes some *special* kind of stupid ....

> Luckily, I've never had to kill a EB, there simply arent enough of them
> around my joint, that I'm *aware* of.  But if there was a sound reason,
> ie if I, or my family, was threatened, i'd turn it into fish fingers,
> *as the law allows*.

You don't even have to be threatened. You only have to *feel*
threatened. The law is quite clear on this.

> You can scream all you like about what others have
> described, but from my experience, I'm not fucking around with "brooms,
> and then picking them up" (there's the 10% that get bitten!!).  And if
> there's an issue with killing native wildlife, then call the police.
> I've done it once, and happy to do it again, if it means me or mine
> arent threatened,injured or killed.. And *thats the LAW* . As someone
> who is educated, reasonable, logical and rational has shown.

Absolutely.

That *is* the law, no matter how much this clueless Westie wants to
scream otherwise, and just to reiterate this is the current law which
has been in effect for 50 years:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8veb2EFcVU

[..]

> Sorry Clocky, it's not your way or the highway...Maybe over there, but
> not over here.

Not even over there. The current law is a Federal one.

> The law is the law.

Indeed it is.

> And if you or your kids life is
> threatened by a venomous snake, then there's no option. Would you wait
> whilst an angry EB slid under your child's cot? Get a broom and grab
> it's head? Hard to answer when there are none in your locale. What you
> say doesn't marry up here on the eastern half of the country. It seems
> no-one gives a shit about a python...slow, fat things that eat a rabbit
> or cat and then fall asleep for 2 weeks... when they can catch one...
> and if you suffer a bite? Not the end of the world. But an Eastern Brown
> with the rags on?? Completely different critter.

And the bloke wants to have a go at me about seat belts? :)

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Regards,
Noddy.

On 11/12/2021 3:11 pm, lindsay wrote:
> On 10/12/2021 3:41 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 7/12/2021 8:18 am, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 7/12/21 10:23 am, John_H wrote:
>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 6/12/21 10:06 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> fear of deadly snakes is neither irrational or unwarranted
>>>>>
>>>>> It is not fear that people should have but healthy *respect* for
>>>>> snakes
>>>>> aided by an understanding of snake behaviour.
>>>>
>>>> I'm no psychologist (and don't even have any friends who are) but
>>>> isn't it fear that activates the fight or flight response?
>>>
>>> And that is exactly how the snake sees it. The snake would much
>>> prefer the *flight response*.
>>>>
>>>> It's a natural response to anything that poses a threat and anyone who
>>>> thinks sharing your space with a brown snake constitutes due respect
>>>> ought make an ideal candidate for a Darwin Award!
>>>>
>>> My mate at Moonee Beach moves any brown snakes *away* from his home.
>>> He picks them up, bags them, and moves them up into the national park
>>> at the back of his block. Works for him.
>
> "My mate"??? "picks them up"???  Yeah, and I call bullshit, Tomas. As
> you like to spout: "Photo's or it didn't happen" and WE ALL KNOW how
> remiss you are at providing proof of your "manifold claims", and "sudden
> friends", deleted post man... (instant expert, with a "friend", of near
> every subject discussed in aus.cars in 12 years, Krypsis?" He's not an
> outboard mechanic too? Or a rail yard "manager"?
>
>> Works for anyone who is educated, reasonable, logical and rational.
>
> Which John H obviously is..  More so that anyone else in here...

Not here he isn't and it's not the first time either.

Sorry, but educated, reasonable, logical and rational people don't react
to snakes posing *no* threat as per the situations he described.

I expect it from the madman of Merrimu but John... well, his own words
condemn him and that is all there is to it.

<snip emotive nonsense about kids and cots, situations that are entirely
different to the ones presented by the two ignorant twits>

On Sat, 11 Dec 2021 21:04:11 +1100, Noddy wrote:

> "Snake bites are common in ­Australia, with about 3000 people bitten
> every year, 500 hospitalised and two deaths"

I wonder what those stats are on people who have shaken Morrison's hand?

alvey

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lindsay wrote:
>On 10/12/2021 3:41 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 7/12/2021 8:18 am, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 7/12/21 10:23 am, John_H wrote:
>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 6/12/21 10:06 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> fear of deadly snakes is neither irrational or unwarranted
>>>>>
>>>>> It is not fear that people should have but healthy *respect* for snakes
>>>>> aided by an understanding of snake behaviour.
>>>>
>>>> I'm no psychologist (and don't even have any friends who are) but
>>>> isn't it fear that activates the fight or flight response?
>>>
>>> And that is exactly how the snake sees it. The snake would much prefer
>>> the *flight response*.
>>>>
>>>> It's a natural response to anything that poses a threat and anyone who
>>>> thinks sharing your space with a brown snake constitutes due respect
>>>> ought make an ideal candidate for a Darwin Award!
>>>>
>>> My mate at Moonee Beach moves any brown snakes *away* from his home.
>>> He picks them up, bags them, and moves them up into the national park
>>> at the back of his block. Works for him.
>
>"My mate"??? "picks them up"??? Yeah, and I call bullshit, Tomas. As
>you like to spout: "Photo's or it didn't happen" and WE ALL KNOW how
>remiss you are at providing proof of your "manifold claims", and "sudden
>friends", deleted post man... (instant expert, with a "friend", of near
>every subject discussed in aus.cars in 12 years, Krypsis?" He's not an
>outboard mechanic too? Or a rail yard "manager"?

Technically his mate is also breaking the law which requires a permit
to catch snakes (with no exceptions I'm aware of), unlike the law that
allows the killing of snakes likely to pose a threat. Noting that the
snake expert, who claims to know the law, is oblivious to both!

>> Works for anyone who is educated, reasonable, logical and rational.
>
>Which John H obviously is.. More so that anyone else in here... You
>seem to base your whole idea that snakes are fine, on a *python*. I
>guarantee you won't get within 3 feet of a decent sized eastern brown
>without you either
>a: shitting your pants,
>b: panicking,
>c: getting bitten.
>d: all of the above
>
>You seem oblivious to how cranky EB's are. And I understand. You don't
>have them there in WA. But we do. And once one stands up at you, I think
>you may change your mind. You dont have anything anywhere as cranky as
>an Eastern Brown. Dugites, whilst extremely poisonous, are nowhere near
>as aggressive as the EB, and apparently not as poisonous either...

All of which suggests he's never see one outside of a jar of formalin
and even believes the bullshit that they only bite when provoked
(probably heard it on the ABC).

>> Snake bites are rare unless the snake is provoked and deaths ever rarer.
>
>Depends on which snake you're talking about...
>
>Getting hit by a comet is rare, too. Yep, snake bites from *venomous*
>snakes are uncommon. (which is a figure *varying* from zero to
>whatever). The guy i bought my Deutz tractor from got bitten in long
>grass whilst installing a tree shroud. He didnt even know till he
>knocked off, sat down to have a beer, and felt his pants leg wet. Looked
>down, and blood everywhere. Washed it off, and two puncture marks approx
>1 cm apart on the back of his leg. Turns out it was a dry bite/strike.
>Would be either a brown, copperhead or tiger. But not a python.
>
>EB's hold the record for deaths in Aus, more deaths from them, than
>*all* other venomous snakes combined. They deserve way more respect than
>any another snake in Aus. The runs are on the board.
>
>And it's not just the deaths.. the injuries, disfigurements, months in
>hospital after a bite...
>
>> Most bites occur when people try to kill a snake or otherwise threaten
>> them so by trying to kill them you are inviting Darwin.
>
>I agree *totally* with this sentence.. *But*, there are times when an
>attempt to kill an Eastern Brown is maybe the wisest/sensible thing
>thing to do. *SOMETIMES* they just get in the way. It's said that 9 out
>of 10 snakebites are from people attempting to kill a snake. Shame they
>dont say *how*, or which snake!... I'm betting if it involves a broom
>would be the winner there.. a broom, or a human hand "He picks them
>up".... Hello, Darwin....? :-) 12g works a treat.

In fact a significant number of bites are incurred by those attempting
to catch or handle them, which would include anyone stupid enough to
pick one up with a shovel, as very obviously misreported by the ABC
(Jon Olley being no such fool)... the very same ABC that does an
excellent job of fact checking government spokespersons but fails to
apply the same standards to its own reporters.

>> You can't teach morons though, they would still rather unlawfully kill a
>> snake and put themselves at far greater risk of a bite and potentially
>> death!
>
>Luckily, I've never had to kill a EB, there simply arent enough of them
>around my joint, that I'm *aware* of. But if there was a sound reason,
>ie if I, or my family, was threatened, i'd turn it into fish fingers,
>*as the law allows*. You can scream all you like about what others have
>described, but from my experience, I'm not fucking around with "brooms,
>and then picking them up" (there's the 10% that get bitten!!). And if
>there's an issue with killing native wildlife, then call the police.
>I've done it once, and happy to do it again, if it means me or mine
>arent threatened,injured or killed.. And *thats the LAW* . As someone
>who is educated, reasonable, logical and rational has shown.
>
>Sorry Clocky, it's not your way or the highway...Maybe over there, but
>not over here. The law is the law. And if you or your kids life is
>threatened by a venomous snake, then there's no option. Would you wait
>whilst an angry EB slid under your child's cot? Get a broom and grab
>it's head? Hard to answer when there are none in your locale. What you
>say doesn't marry up here on the eastern half of the country. It seems
>no-one gives a shit about a python...slow, fat things that eat a rabbit
>or cat and then fall asleep for 2 weeks... when they can catch one...
>and if you suffer a bite? Not the end of the world. But an Eastern Brown
>with the rags on?? Completely different critter.

I can even recall the first time someone in a family I was acquainted
with got bitten by a brown... a 3y.o. toddler who was playing in her
sandpit at the time (although she possibly spat her dummy at it).
Second time was a relly who walked out of bright sunlight into a
stable and only saw the snake after he was bitten.

I previously mentioned being struck on the jeans while walking in the
bush. I didn't see it before it stuck and definitely didn't tread on
it but the reason soon became obvious.... it'd caught a lizard, which
was at least a couple of metres away, and apparently didn't intend to
share its meal.

The list goes on and I absolutely don't know of anyone who's ever been
bitten while trying to kill one even though it's a distinct
possibility for anyone stupid enough to approach one from its tail
end.

--
John H