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From: dwalf...@westpine.com.au (Daryl)
Newsgroups: aus.cars
Subject: Hyundai Kona Electric test drive
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2021 21:34:54 +1100
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 by: Daryl - Tue, 14 Dec 2021 10:34 UTC

Had a short drive of about 10kms of the above, smaller than I expected
but it was loaded with all the bells and whistles.
Car was 18mths old but had only done 3600kms because the son's mate
Chris (he works for Melbourne Water and its his work car) works from
home and hasn't driven it much due to covid.
It has a normal looking stop/start button which you press to turn it on
then you select either forward or reverse then release the handbrake.
I was warned about the excessive torque steer and they weren't wrong,
flooring the accelerator at 30kph the front left tyre chirped and it
nearly ripped the steering wheel out of my hand, worse than what I
expected but unlikely to be a problem once you were used to it and it
only happens under hard acceleration so not an issue in normal driving.
What surprised me was that as soon as I lifted my foot off the brake the
car started to move without touching the accelerator, don't know why it
does that since the motor shouldn't be turning.
It was noisier than I expected, I expected to just hear a bit of tyre or
wind noise but it almost sounded like a IC powered car but the driver
said that it made that noise on purpose so people can hear it coming and
he thought that the noise could be turned off.
The range stated on the windscreen sticker was 537kms so range shouldn't
be an issue for most people.
Apart from the torque steer it drove pretty much as I would expect any
newish small SUV to drive.
IMHO its biggest problem is its price, the electric Kona is between $59k
for the Elite standard range to $69k for the Highlander extended range,
the most expensive top of the range petrol model is $46,675.00
Chris's brother just bought a Tesla Model 3 which cost him just over
$70k, Chris had a test drive of the Tesla and in his opinion it was very
much a better car than his Hyundai.

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From: me...@home.com (Noddy)
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Subject: Re: Hyundai Kona Electric test drive
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2021 22:18:09 +1100
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 by: Noddy - Tue, 14 Dec 2021 11:18 UTC

On 14/12/2021 9:34 pm, Daryl wrote:

> Had a short drive of about 10kms of the above, smaller than I expected
> but it was loaded with all the bells and whistles.
> Car was 18mths old but had only done 3600kms because the son's mate
> Chris (he works for Melbourne Water and its his work car) works from
> home and hasn't driven it much due to covid.
> It has a normal looking stop/start button which you press to turn it on
> then you select either forward or reverse then release the handbrake.
> I was warned about the excessive torque steer and they weren't wrong,
> flooring the accelerator at 30kph the front left tyre chirped and it
> nearly ripped the steering wheel out of my hand, worse than what I
> expected but unlikely to be a problem once you were used to it and it
> only happens under hard acceleration so not an issue in normal driving.
> What surprised me was that as soon as I lifted my foot off the brake the
> car started to move without touching the accelerator, don't know why it
> does that since the motor shouldn't be turning.

That seems odd. It's not like it has a running engine driving a torque
converter.

> It was noisier than I expected, I expected to just hear a bit of tyre or
> wind noise but it almost sounded like a IC powered car but the driver
> said that it made that noise on purpose so people can hear it coming and
> he thought that the noise could be turned off.

Strange.

> The range stated on the windscreen sticker was 537kms so range shouldn't
> be an issue for most people.
> Apart from the torque steer it drove pretty much as I would expect any
> newish small SUV to drive.
> IMHO its biggest problem is its price, the electric Kona is between $59k
> for the Elite standard range to $69k for the Highlander extended range,
> the most expensive top of the range petrol model is $46,675.00
> Chris's brother just bought a Tesla Model 3 which cost him just over
> $70k, Chris had a test drive of the Tesla and in his opinion it was very
> much a better car than his Hyundai.

That doesn't say much for the Hyundai, as the Tesla's are a pretty
average car.

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From: notgo...@happen.com (Clocky)
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Subject: Re: Hyundai Kona Electric test drive
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2021 20:52:11 +0800
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 by: Clocky - Tue, 14 Dec 2021 12:52 UTC

On 14/12/2021 7:18 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 14/12/2021 9:34 pm, Daryl wrote:
>
>> Had a short drive of about 10kms of the above, smaller than I expected
>> but it was loaded with all the bells and whistles.
>> Car was 18mths old but had only done 3600kms because the son's mate
>> Chris (he works for Melbourne Water and its his work car) works from
>> home and hasn't driven it much due to covid.
>> It has a normal looking stop/start button which you press to turn it
>> on then you select either forward or reverse then release the handbrake.
>> I was warned about the excessive torque steer and they weren't wrong,
>> flooring the accelerator at 30kph the front left tyre chirped and it
>> nearly ripped the steering wheel out of my hand, worse than what I
>> expected but unlikely to be a problem once you were used to it and it
>> only happens under hard acceleration so not an issue in normal driving.
>> What surprised me was that as soon as I lifted my foot off the brake
>> the car started to move without touching the accelerator, don't know
>> why it does that since the motor shouldn't be turning.
>
> That seems odd. It's not like it has a running engine driving a torque
> converter.
>
>> It was noisier than I expected, I expected to just hear a bit of tyre
>> or wind noise but it almost sounded like a IC powered car but the
>> driver said that it made that noise on purpose so people can hear it
>> coming and he thought that the noise could be turned off.
>
> Strange.
>
>> The range stated on the windscreen sticker was 537kms so range
>> shouldn't be an issue for most people.
>> Apart from the torque steer it drove pretty much as I would expect any
>> newish small SUV to drive.
>> IMHO its biggest problem is its price, the electric Kona is between
>> $59k for the Elite standard range to $69k for the Highlander extended
>> range, the most expensive top of the range petrol model is $46,675.00
>> Chris's brother just bought a Tesla Model 3 which cost him just over
>> $70k, Chris had a test drive of the Tesla and in his opinion it was
>> very much a better car than his Hyundai.
>
> That doesn't say much for the Hyundai, as the Tesla's are a pretty
> average car.
>
>
>

You wouldn't have a clue on that champ since you've never sat your
busted arse in one let alone driven one.

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 by: alvey - Tue, 14 Dec 2021 21:33 UTC

On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 22:18:09 +1100, Noddy wrote:

> That doesn't say much for the Hyundai, as the Tesla's are a pretty
> average car.

You're contradicting yourself Fraudster. You have a long and whining road
history of sneering at motor journos as 'know nothings', yet here you are
passing judgement on a car that you've never sat in and, not having any
friends better off than you, don't know anyone who owns one. So guess what
Fraudster? Yep, you're making a dick of yourself. Again.

Well played.

alvey

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 by: alvey - Tue, 14 Dec 2021 22:16 UTC

On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 07:33:42 +1000, alvey wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 22:18:09 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>
>> That doesn't say much for the Hyundai, as the Tesla's are a pretty
>> average car.
>
> You're contradicting yourself Fraudster. You have a long and whining road
> history of sneering at motor journos as 'know nothings', yet here you are
> passing judgement on a car that you've never sat in and, not having any
> friends better off than you, don't know anyone who owns one. So guess what
> Fraudster? Yep, you're making a dick of yourself. Again.
>
> Well played.
>

Oh and on "Well played", congrats to Elon Musk on being named Time's Person
ot Year.

alvey

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 by: Xeno - Tue, 14 Dec 2021 22:48 UTC

On 15/12/21 8:33 am, alvey wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 22:18:09 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>
>> That doesn't say much for the Hyundai, as the Tesla's are a pretty
>> average car.
>
> You're contradicting yourself Fraudster. You have a long and whining road
> history of sneering at motor journos as 'know nothings', yet here you are
> passing judgement on a car that you've never sat in and, not having any
> friends better off than you, don't know anyone who owns one. So guess what
> Fraudster? Yep, you're making a dick of yourself. Again.

That should be *still*. Darren making a dick of himself is a continuum
when all is said and done.
>
> Well played.
>
>
>
> alvey
>

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Grumpy Tech - Tue, 14 Dec 2021 23:08 UTC

On 15/12/2021 8:16 am, alvey wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 07:33:42 +1000, alvey wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 22:18:09 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>> That doesn't say much for the Hyundai, as the Tesla's are a pretty
>>> average car.
>>
>> You're contradicting yourself Fraudster. You have a long and whining road
>> history of sneering at motor journos as 'know nothings', yet here you are
>> passing judgement on a car that you've never sat in and, not having any
>> friends better off than you, don't know anyone who owns one. So guess what
>> Fraudster? Yep, you're making a dick of yourself. Again.
>>
>> Well played.
>>
>
> Oh and on "Well played", congrats to Elon Musk on being named Time's Person
> ot Year.

Yeah through history they have named some great people as Person of the
Year like Hitler and Stalin, Richard Nixon, Khrushchev, Putin, and
Trump. Yep he's in great company there.

Alvey takes foot out of arse and places it in mouth...

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 by: Noddy - Tue, 14 Dec 2021 23:44 UTC

On 15/12/2021 10:08 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
> On 15/12/2021 8:16 am, alvey wrote:

>>
>> Oh and on "Well played", congrats to Elon Musk on being named Time's
>> Person
>> ot Year.
>
> Yeah through history they have named some great people as Person of the
> Year like Hitler and Stalin, Richard Nixon, Khrushchev, Putin, and
> Trump. Yep he's in great company there.

Lol :)

Yep. Nothing like a bit of media hysteria from the American equivalent
of "Woman's weekly" to make the morons chant and rave. I wonder if Alvey
was equally as excited when that media whore sock puppet Greta Thunberg
was named as person of the year a couple of years ago?

> Alvey takes foot out of arse and places it in mouth...

Alvey has demonstrated *way* more than enough times that he is nothing
other than an attention seeking fuckwit.

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 by: Daryl - Wed, 15 Dec 2021 00:05 UTC

On 14/12/21 10:18 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 14/12/2021 9:34 pm, Daryl wrote:
>
>> Had a short drive of about 10kms of the above, smaller than I expected
>> but it was loaded with all the bells and whistles.
>> Car was 18mths old but had only done 3600kms because the son's mate
>> Chris (he works for Melbourne Water and its his work car) works from
>> home and hasn't driven it much due to covid.
>> It has a normal looking stop/start button which you press to turn it
>> on then you select either forward or reverse then release the handbrake.
>> I was warned about the excessive torque steer and they weren't wrong,
>> flooring the accelerator at 30kph the front left tyre chirped and it
>> nearly ripped the steering wheel out of my hand, worse than what I
>> expected but unlikely to be a problem once you were used to it and it
>> only happens under hard acceleration so not an issue in normal driving.
>> What surprised me was that as soon as I lifted my foot off the brake
>> the car started to move without touching the accelerator, don't know
>> why it does that since the motor shouldn't be turning.
>
> That seems odd. It's not like it has a running engine driving a torque
> converter.

It was weird, only reason I can think of is that maybe Hyundai wanted it
to drive like a normal car.
One thing I forget to mention is the regenerative braking, in normal
driving you barely have to touch the brake pedal, how far you lift off
the accel pedal determines how much it brakes, list right off and it
brakes quite firmly although I was told that the aggressiveness of the
regen braking is adjustable.
It would take a bit of getting used to because it brakes even when you
just want to coast, I suspect after a while you would learn to balance
the accel pedal to get it to do what you wanted.
There is also a gauge on the dash telling you how much its recharging
when braking, I suspect brake pads and rotors will last a very long time.
>
>> It was noisier than I expected, I expected to just hear a bit of tyre
>> or wind noise but it almost sounded like a IC powered car but the
>> driver said that it made that noise on purpose so people can hear it
>> coming and he thought that the noise could be turned off.
>
> Strange.
>
>> The range stated on the windscreen sticker was 537kms so range
>> shouldn't be an issue for most people.
>> Apart from the torque steer it drove pretty much as I would expect any
>> newish small SUV to drive.
>> IMHO its biggest problem is its price, the electric Kona is between
>> $59k for the Elite standard range to $69k for the Highlander extended
>> range, the most expensive top of the range petrol model is $46,675.00
>> Chris's brother just bought a Tesla Model 3 which cost him just over
>> $70k, Chris had a test drive of the Tesla and in his opinion it was
>> very much a better car than his Hyundai.
>
> That doesn't say much for the Hyundai, as the Tesla's are a pretty
> average car.
>

I was told that the main difference was handling with the Tesla handling
much better, Chris who thought that the Tesla was better is a civil
engineer and I wouldn't call him a car enthusiast and I doubt that he
would notice build quality.
Just found out last night that friends in Melton also just bought a
Tesla so after a bit of time I'll be asking how they are going, trouble
is neither owners are what I would call "car people" so I'm not sure how
valuable their opinions will be but I should be able to find out if they
have any problems.
I was also told that there is a new and much improved Electric Kona out
next year, the one I drove is a bit of a "beta" version and no doubt
Hyundai will sort out an issues.
Overall I though that it was a good car but the price is whats stopping
it selling in big numbers.

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 by: Clocky - Wed, 15 Dec 2021 01:33 UTC

On 15/12/2021 7:08 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
> On 15/12/2021 8:16 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 07:33:42 +1000, alvey wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 22:18:09 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>> That doesn't say much for the Hyundai, as the Tesla's are a pretty
>>>> average car.
>>>
>>> You're contradicting yourself Fraudster. You have a long and whining
>>> road
>>> history of sneering at motor journos as 'know nothings', yet here you
>>> are
>>> passing judgement on a car that you've never sat in and, not having any
>>> friends better off than you, don't know anyone who owns one. So guess
>>> what
>>> Fraudster? Yep, you're making a dick of yourself. Again.
>>>
>>> Well played.
>>>
>>
>> Oh and on "Well played", congrats to Elon Musk on being named Time's
>> Person
>> ot Year.
>
> Yeah through history they have named some great people as Person of the
> Year like Hitler and Stalin, Richard Nixon, Khrushchev, Putin, and
> Trump.

Nice try but that just reveals your ignorance so typical of a FLCJC member.

Time names the "Person of the Year" for their influence or achievements,
good, bad and/or ugly.
For instance, in the case of Hitler the reasoning was:

"Hitler became in 1938 the greatest threatening force that the
democratic, freedom-loving world faces today"

History agrees.

Of Musk it says:

Visionary. Showman. Iconoclast. Troll. How Elon Musk is reshaping our
world—and beyond

All of those things are accurate.

Yep he's in great company there.
>

Yes he is in the context of what the Time "Person of the Year"
acknowledges, not what you think it means.

> Alvey takes foot out of arse and places it in mouth...

You've never managed to pull your head out of your arse.

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 by: Noddy - Wed, 15 Dec 2021 02:13 UTC

On 15/12/2021 11:05 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 14/12/21 10:18 pm, Noddy wrote:

>>> What surprised me was that as soon as I lifted my foot off the brake
>>> the car started to move without touching the accelerator, don't know
>>> why it does that since the motor shouldn't be turning.
>>
>> That seems odd. It's not like it has a running engine driving a torque
>> converter.
>
> It was weird, only reason I can think of is that maybe Hyundai wanted it
> to drive like a normal car.

That's a good point. Maybe their tests showed people were more
comfortable with that level of "throttle off creep" in terms of it
giving owners the sense that everything was working properly and
avoiding people stabbing the throttle to see if the engine is still
turned on with potentially disastrous consequences.

> One thing I forget to mention is the regenerative braking, in normal
> driving you barely have to touch the brake pedal, how far you lift off
> the accel pedal determines how much it brakes, list right off and it
> brakes quite firmly although I was told that the aggressiveness of the
> regen braking is adjustable.

Just like a golf cart :)

> It would take a bit of getting used to because it brakes even when you
> just want to coast, I suspect after a while you would learn to balance
> the accel pedal to get it to do what you wanted.

It would seem strange applying throttle to run down hill....

> There is also a gauge on the dash telling you how much its recharging
> when braking, I suspect brake pads and rotors will last a very long time.

Possibly.

>> That doesn't say much for the Hyundai, as the Tesla's are a pretty
>> average car.
>>
>
> I was told that the main difference was handling with the Tesla handling
> much better, Chris who thought that the Tesla was better is a civil
> engineer and I wouldn't call him a car enthusiast and I doubt that he
> would notice build quality.

Just as well, as Tesla build quality is appalling :)

> Just found out last night that friends in Melton also just bought a
> Tesla so after a bit of time I'll be asking how they are going, trouble
> is neither owners are what I would call "car people" so I'm not sure how
> valuable their opinions will be but I should be able to find out if they
> have any problems.

Be interesting. Still, you can't rely on people's "car love" to be a
reliable indicator. I know people who favour a particular vehicle that
they've spent a *shit-tonne* of money repairing after the things go from
one problem to the next but when you ask them for their opinion on the
vehicle they'll tell you it's the best thing that was ever made because
it was made by their favourite manufacturer.

Falcadore meatheads fall into this category.

> I was also told that there is a new and much improved Electric Kona out
> next year, the one I drove is a bit of a "beta" version and no doubt
> Hyundai will sort out an issues.
> Overall I though that it was a good car but the price is whats stopping
> it selling in big numbers.

They've come a long way but they're still niche, and it's the "niche"
that costs. Still, manufacturers aren't above sticking it to people when
it suits them. Look at Toyota. Ask them how much they're selling current
stocks of SR5 hiluxes for at the moment compared to what they were 18
months ago :)

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 by: alvey - Wed, 15 Dec 2021 02:32 UTC

On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 09:08:14 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:

> On 15/12/2021 8:16 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 07:33:42 +1000, alvey wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 22:18:09 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>> That doesn't say much for the Hyundai, as the Tesla's are a pretty
>>>> average car.
>>>
>>> You're contradicting yourself Fraudster. You have a long and whining road
>>> history of sneering at motor journos as 'know nothings', yet here you are
>>> passing judgement on a car that you've never sat in and, not having any
>>> friends better off than you, don't know anyone who owns one. So guess what
>>> Fraudster? Yep, you're making a dick of yourself. Again.
>>>
>>> Well played.
>>>
>>
>> Oh and on "Well played", congrats to Elon Musk on being named Time's Person
>> ot Year.
>
> Yeah through history they have named some great people as Person of the
> Year like Hitler and Stalin, Richard Nixon, Khrushchev, Putin, and
> Trump. Yep he's in great company there.
>
> Alvey takes foot out of arse and places it in mouth...

*Still* on the ironic "well played"... Well played to Gumps for not knowing
what Time's PotY represents.

Here ya go Gumpo! "...a person, group, an idea, or an object that for
better or for worse... has done the most to influence the events of the
year".

Seriously Gumps, give up the snipes and improve everyone's life.

alvey
bye gumps.

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 by: Clocky - Wed, 15 Dec 2021 02:38 UTC

On 15/12/2021 10:32 am, alvey wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 09:08:14 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>
>> On 15/12/2021 8:16 am, alvey wrote:
>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 07:33:42 +1000, alvey wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 22:18:09 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That doesn't say much for the Hyundai, as the Tesla's are a pretty
>>>>> average car.
>>>>
>>>> You're contradicting yourself Fraudster. You have a long and whining road
>>>> history of sneering at motor journos as 'know nothings', yet here you are
>>>> passing judgement on a car that you've never sat in and, not having any
>>>> friends better off than you, don't know anyone who owns one. So guess what
>>>> Fraudster? Yep, you're making a dick of yourself. Again.
>>>>
>>>> Well played.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Oh and on "Well played", congrats to Elon Musk on being named Time's Person
>>> ot Year.
>>
>> Yeah through history they have named some great people as Person of the
>> Year like Hitler and Stalin, Richard Nixon, Khrushchev, Putin, and
>> Trump. Yep he's in great company there.
>>
>> Alvey takes foot out of arse and places it in mouth...
>
> *Still* on the ironic "well played"... Well played to Gumps for not knowing
> what Time's PotY represents.
>
> Here ya go Gumpo! "...a person, group, an idea, or an object that for
> better or for worse... has done the most to influence the events of the
> year".
>
> Seriously Gumps, give up the snipes and improve everyone's life.
>
>
> alvey
> bye gumps.
>

Yep, every time... comes in a swingin' and a missin' and then buggers
off again until the next time he makes a fool of himself.

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 by: alvey - Wed, 15 Dec 2021 02:41 UTC

On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 10:44:37 +1100, Noddy wrote:

> On 15/12/2021 10:08 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>> On 15/12/2021 8:16 am, alvey wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Oh and on "Well played", congrats to Elon Musk on being named Time's
>>> Person
>>> ot Year.
>>
>> Yeah through history they have named some great people as Person of the
>> Year like Hitler and Stalin, Richard Nixon, Khrushchev, Putin, and
>> Trump. Yep he's in great company there.
>
> Lol :)
>
> Yep. Nothing like a bit of media hysteria from the American equivalent
> of "Woman's weekly" to make the morons chant and rave. I wonder if Alvey
> was equally as excited when that media whore sock puppet Greta Thunberg
> was named as person of the year a couple of years ago?

What a vile and obnoxious little creature you are Fraudster.

>> Alvey takes foot out of arse and places it in mouth...
>
> Alvey has demonstrated *way* more than enough times that he is nothing
> other than an attention seeking fuckwit.

Said the groups most prolific poster and biggest liar. What a buffoon.
But do tell me Fraudster... Oh wait! You can't, because you're too cowardly
and incompetent to argue. Something that has *genuinely* been demonstrated
far too many times to be in dispute.

You are a craven, hypocritical, fraud and liar Gibbens. These are
indisputable facts. A buffoon *and* a loser. Well played.

alvey

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 by: jonz@ nothere.com - Wed, 15 Dec 2021 03:23 UTC

On Wednesday, 15 December 2021 at 13:14:04 UTC+11, Noddy wrote:
> On 15/12/2021 11:05 am, Daryl wrote:
> > On 14/12/21 10:18 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
> >>> What surprised me was that as soon as I lifted my foot off the brake
> >>> the car started to move without touching the accelerator, don't know
> >>> why it does that since the motor shouldn't be turning.
> >>
> >> That seems odd. It's not like it has a running engine driving a torque
> >> converter.
> >
> > It was weird, only reason I can think of is that maybe Hyundai wanted it
> > to drive like a normal car.
> That's a good point. Maybe their tests showed people were more
> comfortable with that level of "throttle off creep" in terms of it
> giving owners the sense that everything was working properly and
> avoiding people stabbing the throttle to see if the engine is still
> turned on with potentially disastrous consequences.
> > One thing I forget to mention is the regenerative braking, in normal
> > driving you barely have to touch the brake pedal, how far you lift off
> > the accel pedal determines how much it brakes, list right off and it
> > brakes quite firmly although I was told that the aggressiveness of the
> > regen braking is adjustable.
> Just like a golf cart :)
> > It would take a bit of getting used to because it brakes even when you
> > just want to coast, I suspect after a while you would learn to balance
> > the accel pedal to get it to do what you wanted.
> It would seem strange applying throttle to run down hill....
> > There is also a gauge on the dash telling you how much its recharging
> > when braking, I suspect brake pads and rotors will last a very long time.
> Possibly.
> >> That doesn't say much for the Hyundai, as the Tesla's are a pretty
> >> average car.
> >>
> >
> > I was told that the main difference was handling with the Tesla handling
> > much better, Chris who thought that the Tesla was better is a civil
> > engineer and I wouldn't call him a car enthusiast and I doubt that he
> > would notice build quality.
> Just as well, as Tesla build quality is appalling :)
> > Just found out last night that friends in Melton also just bought a
> > Tesla so after a bit of time I'll be asking how they are going, trouble
> > is neither owners are what I would call "car people" so I'm not sure how
> > valuable their opinions will be but I should be able to find out if they
> > have any problems.
> Be interesting. Still, you can't rely on people's "car love" to be a
> reliable indicator. I know people who favour a particular vehicle that
> they've spent a *shit-tonne* of money repairing after the things go from
> one problem to the next but when you ask them for their opinion on the
> vehicle they'll tell you it's the best thing that was ever made because
> it was made by their favourite manufacturer.
>
> Falcadore meatheads fall into this category.
> > I was also told that there is a new and much improved Electric Kona out
> > next year, the one I drove is a bit of a "beta" version and no doubt
> > Hyundai will sort out an issues.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
But does it brew yer coffee as you roll along????.


> > Overall I though that it was a good car but the price is whats stopping
> > it selling in big numbers.
> They've come a long way but they're still niche, and it's the "niche"
> that costs. Still, manufacturers aren't above sticking it to people when
> it suits them. Look at Toyota. Ask them how much they're selling current
> stocks of SR5 hiluxes for at the moment compared to what they were 18
> months ago :)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> Noddy.

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 by: Daryl - Wed, 15 Dec 2021 03:25 UTC

On 15/12/21 1:13 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 15/12/2021 11:05 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 14/12/21 10:18 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>>> What surprised me was that as soon as I lifted my foot off the brake
>>>> the car started to move without touching the accelerator, don't know
>>>> why it does that since the motor shouldn't be turning.
>>>
>>> That seems odd. It's not like it has a running engine driving a
>>> torque converter.
>>
>> It was weird, only reason I can think of is that maybe Hyundai wanted
>> it to drive like a normal car.
>
> That's a good point. Maybe their tests showed people were more
> comfortable with that level of "throttle off creep" in terms of it
> giving owners the sense that everything was working properly and
> avoiding people stabbing the throttle to see if the engine is still
> turned on with potentially disastrous consequences.
>
>> One thing I forget to mention is the regenerative braking, in normal
>> driving you barely have to touch the brake pedal, how far you lift off
>> the accel pedal determines how much it brakes, list right off and it
>> brakes quite firmly although I was told that the aggressiveness of the
>> regen braking is adjustable.
>
> Just like a golf cart :)
>
>> It would take a bit of getting used to because it brakes even when you
>> just want to coast, I suspect after a while you would learn to balance
>> the accel pedal to get it to do what you wanted.
>
> It would seem strange applying throttle to run down hill....

Very strange indeed, the car felt quite different but it shouldn't be
too difficult to get used to.
>
>> There is also a gauge on the dash telling you how much its recharging
>> when braking, I suspect brake pads and rotors will last a very long time.
>
> Possibly.
>
>>> That doesn't say much for the Hyundai, as the Tesla's are a pretty
>>> average car.
>>>
>>
>> I was told that the main difference was handling with the Tesla
>> handling much better, Chris who thought that the Tesla was better is a
>> civil engineer and I wouldn't call him a car enthusiast and I doubt
>> that he would notice build quality.
>
> Just as well, as Tesla build quality is appalling :)
>
>> Just found out last night that friends in Melton also just bought a
>> Tesla so after a bit of time I'll be asking how they are going,
>> trouble is neither owners are what I would call "car people" so I'm
>> not sure how valuable their opinions will be but I should be able to
>> find out if they have any problems.
>
> Be interesting. Still, you can't rely on people's "car love" to be a
> reliable indicator. I know people who favour a particular vehicle that
> they've spent a *shit-tonne* of money repairing after the things go from
> one problem to the next but when you ask them for their opinion on the
> vehicle they'll tell you it's the best thing that was ever made because
> it was made by their favourite manufacturer.
>
> Falcadore meatheads fall into this category.
>
>> I was also told that there is a new and much improved Electric Kona
>> out next year, the one I drove is a bit of a "beta" version and no
>> doubt Hyundai will sort out an issues.
>> Overall I though that it was a good car but the price is whats
>> stopping it selling in big numbers.
>
> They've come a long way but they're still niche, and it's the "niche"
> that costs. Still, manufacturers aren't above sticking it to people when
> it suits them. Look at Toyota. Ask them how much they're selling current
> stocks of SR5 hiluxes for at the moment compared to what they were 18
> months ago :)
>
>
>
Seems that supply and demand has increased prices especially Toyota.
Chris who drives the Kona ordered a new RAV 4 Hybrid for his wife, it
was ordered mid 2021 and its expected delivery date is Feb 2022, they
used to sell for mid $40,000's now its closer to $53,000.
Not a good time to be buying a new car.

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On 15/12/2021 2:23 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, 15 December 2021 at 13:14:04 UTC+11, Noddy wrote:

>> They've come a long way but they're still niche, and it's the "niche"
>> that costs. Still, manufacturers aren't above sticking it to people when
>> it suits them. Look at Toyota. Ask them how much they're selling current
>> stocks of SR5 hiluxes for at the moment compared to what they were 18
>> months ago :)
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Supply and demand.

That's one way of looking at it. Price gouging is another. All
manufacturers do it, but Toyota do it better than most :)

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 by: Noddy - Wed, 15 Dec 2021 04:29 UTC

On 15/12/2021 2:25 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 15/12/21 1:13 pm, Noddy wrote:

>> They've come a long way but they're still niche, and it's the "niche"
>> that costs. Still, manufacturers aren't above sticking it to people
>> when it suits them. Look at Toyota. Ask them how much they're selling
>> current stocks of SR5 hiluxes for at the moment compared to what they
>> were 18 months ago :)
>>
>>
>>
> Seems that supply and demand has increased prices especially Toyota.

Very much so.

> Chris who drives the Kona ordered a new RAV 4 Hybrid for his wife, it
> was ordered mid 2021 and its expected delivery date is Feb 2022, they
> used to sell for mid $40,000's now its closer to $53,000.
> Not a good time to be buying a new car.

Depends what you're buying.

I took a mate out on Monday morning to look at dual cab utes, and he had
narrowed his choices down to 3 vehicles: The Mazda BT-50, the Isuzu
D-Maz and the Mitsubishi Triton. Actually you could make it 4 vehicles
as we looked at the Chinese LDV T60, but only because there is an LDV
showroom right across the road from Alan Mance Mitsubishi/Nissan in Melton.

The LDV was crossed off the list after a quick drive, for as cheap as it
was it had a "not quite right" feel about it and there was some concern
about durability. The buddy had already done his homework and wasn't
interested in a Toyota, Ford or Volkswagen, and the Mazda was the least
likely of his choices given that he didn't like the interior.

That left the D-Max and the Triton, and the *clear* winner was the Triton.

The Triton tested was the mid spec GLS which runs out at about 49 grand,
and for that price it comes with an impressive amount of kit including
an excellent 4WD system. It rode very well, the engine was very
responsive, the 6 speed auto seemed very well suited to it, it was
quiet, had great seats and was just an all round decent car for the money.

By comparison the D-max wasn't that great. It's engine was quite noisy
and gave fairly lacklustre performance unless you stood on it really
hard, the auto couldn't decide what gear it wasn't to be in which was
strange considering that the auto in question is the exact same unit as
used in the Triton and Hilux, the ride was choppy and had a fair bit of
suspension noise, and it just felt like it was a *long* way behind the
Mitsubishi in terms of overall performance. In it's favour, the D-max
had a significantly better interior layout with lots of storage cubby
holes and the seats were a little more comfortable, but the central
display unit wasn't as nice and it felt a bit "cheaper" than the Mitsu
which was a surprise given that for the same spec model the D-max is
almost 10 grand dearer.

So he bought himself a white Triton GLS and with luck he'll pick it up
next week. They're an excellent ute for the money, and so much so that
I'm detailing up the Navara to trade it in on one myself :)

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 by: alvey - Wed, 15 Dec 2021 05:54 UTC

On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 10:38:53 +0800, Clocky wrote:

> On 15/12/2021 10:32 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 09:08:14 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>
>>> On 15/12/2021 8:16 am, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 07:33:42 +1000, alvey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 22:18:09 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> That doesn't say much for the Hyundai, as the Tesla's are a pretty
>>>>>> average car.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're contradicting yourself Fraudster. You have a long and whining road
>>>>> history of sneering at motor journos as 'know nothings', yet here you are
>>>>> passing judgement on a car that you've never sat in and, not having any
>>>>> friends better off than you, don't know anyone who owns one. So guess what
>>>>> Fraudster? Yep, you're making a dick of yourself. Again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well played.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh and on "Well played", congrats to Elon Musk on being named Time's Person
>>>> ot Year.
>>>
>>> Yeah through history they have named some great people as Person of the
>>> Year like Hitler and Stalin, Richard Nixon, Khrushchev, Putin, and
>>> Trump. Yep he's in great company there.
>>>
>>> Alvey takes foot out of arse and places it in mouth...
>>
>> *Still* on the ironic "well played"... Well played to Gumps for not knowing
>> what Time's PotY represents.
>>
>> Here ya go Gumpo! "...a person, group, an idea, or an object that for
>> better or for worse... has done the most to influence the events of the
>> year".
>>
>> Seriously Gumps, give up the snipes and improve everyone's life.
>>
>> alvey
>> bye gumps.
>>
>
> Yep, every time... comes in a swingin' and a missin' and then buggers
> off again until the next time he makes a fool of himself.

Good old Gumps, he's like a king tide. Highly predictable, and similar in
that both leave a smelly mess behind after they retreat...

alvey

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 by: alvey - Wed, 15 Dec 2021 06:06 UTC

On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 15:29:15 +1100, Noddy wrote:

> On 15/12/2021 2:25 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 15/12/21 1:13 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> They've come a long way but they're still niche, and it's the "niche"
>>> that costs. Still, manufacturers aren't above sticking it to people
>>> when it suits them. Look at Toyota. Ask them how much they're selling
>>> current stocks of SR5 hiluxes for at the moment compared to what they
>>> were 18 months ago :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Seems that supply and demand has increased prices especially Toyota.
>
> Very much so.
>
>> Chris who drives the Kona ordered a new RAV 4 Hybrid for his wife, it
>> was ordered mid 2021 and its expected delivery date is Feb 2022, they
>> used to sell for mid $40,000's now its closer to $53,000.
>> Not a good time to be buying a new car.
>
> Depends what you're buying.
>
> I took a mate out on Monday morning to look at dual cab utes,

Oooh lookee! The Convenient Anecdote!

Standard response: Sure you did Fraudster. I believe you. Honest.

alvey
Fraudster having "a mate". Hahahaha. Dead giveaway there.

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 by: Daryl - Wed, 15 Dec 2021 06:38 UTC

On 15/12/21 3:29 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 15/12/2021 2:25 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 15/12/21 1:13 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> They've come a long way but they're still niche, and it's the "niche"
>>> that costs. Still, manufacturers aren't above sticking it to people
>>> when it suits them. Look at Toyota. Ask them how much they're selling
>>> current stocks of SR5 hiluxes for at the moment compared to what they
>>> were 18 months ago :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Seems that supply and demand has increased prices especially Toyota.
>
> Very much so.
>
>> Chris who drives the Kona ordered a new RAV 4 Hybrid for his wife, it
>> was ordered mid 2021 and its expected delivery date is Feb 2022, they
>> used to sell for mid $40,000's now its closer to $53,000.
>> Not a good time to be buying a new car.
>
> Depends what you're buying.
>
> I took a mate out on Monday morning to look at dual cab utes, and he had
> narrowed his choices down to 3 vehicles: The Mazda BT-50, the Isuzu
> D-Maz and the Mitsubishi Triton. Actually you could make it 4 vehicles
> as we looked at the Chinese LDV T60, but only because there is an LDV
> showroom right across the road from Alan Mance Mitsubishi/Nissan in Melton.
>
> The LDV was crossed off the list after a quick drive, for as cheap as it
> was it had a "not quite right" feel about it and there was some concern
> about durability. The buddy had already done his homework and wasn't
> interested in a Toyota, Ford or Volkswagen, and the Mazda was the least
> likely of his choices given that he didn't like the interior.
>
> That left the D-Max and the Triton, and the *clear* winner was the Triton.
>
> The Triton tested was the mid spec GLS which runs out at about 49 grand,
> and for that price it comes with an impressive amount of kit including
> an excellent 4WD system. It rode very well, the engine was very
> responsive, the 6 speed auto seemed very well suited to it, it was
> quiet, had great seats and was just an all round decent car for the money.
>
> By comparison the D-max wasn't that great. It's engine was quite noisy
> and gave fairly lacklustre performance unless you stood on it really
> hard, the auto couldn't decide what gear it wasn't to be in which was
> strange considering that the auto in question is the exact same unit as
> used in the Triton and Hilux, the ride was choppy and had a fair bit of
> suspension noise, and it just felt like it was a *long* way behind the
> Mitsubishi in terms of overall performance. In it's favour, the D-max
> had a significantly better interior layout with lots of storage cubby
> holes and the seats were a little more comfortable, but the central
> display unit wasn't as nice and it felt a bit "cheaper" than the Mitsu
> which was a surprise given that for the same spec model the D-max is
> almost 10 grand dearer.
>
> So he bought himself a white Triton GLS and with luck he'll pick it up
> next week. They're an excellent ute for the money, and so much so that
> I'm detailing up the Navara to trade it in on one myself :)
>

I've read good things about the current model Triton, seems like
Mitsubishi have lifted their game somewhat.
I know a bloke who is a contractor working for Ford, he just bought a
new BT50, I asked why not a Ranger and he said the Mazda was immediate
delivery but it was a 6mth wait for the Ranger and he didn't want to wait.
Son has 2 Hilux Workmates which are used and abused by his solar
installers, they have done about 115,000km each, because Toyota no
longer make that very base model they are apparently worth more now than
they cost new.

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 by: Daryl - Wed, 15 Dec 2021 06:45 UTC

On 15/12/21 3:14 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 15/12/2021 2:23 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 15 December 2021 at 13:14:04 UTC+11, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> They've come a long way but they're still niche, and it's the "niche"
>>> that costs. Still, manufacturers aren't above sticking it to people when
>>> it suits them. Look at Toyota. Ask them how much they're selling current
>>> stocks of SR5 hiluxes for at the moment compared to what they were 18
>>> months ago :)
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>   Supply and demand.
>
> That's one way of looking at it. Price gouging is another. All
> manufacturers do it, but Toyota do it better than most :)
>
>
A few years ago I asked one of the owners of Melton Toyota why they
don't discount Hilux's, she replied "we can sell as many as we can get
our hands on at RRP so why would we discount".
From a business owners point of view that comment is difficult to argue
with, with the current lack of supply they seem to getting away with
charging whatever they like.

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 by: Clocky - Wed, 15 Dec 2021 07:45 UTC

On 15/12/2021 12:29 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 15/12/2021 2:25 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 15/12/21 1:13 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> They've come a long way but they're still niche, and it's the "niche"
>>> that costs. Still, manufacturers aren't above sticking it to people
>>> when it suits them. Look at Toyota. Ask them how much they're selling
>>> current stocks of SR5 hiluxes for at the moment compared to what they
>>> were 18 months ago :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Seems that supply and demand has increased prices especially Toyota.
>
> Very much so.
>
>> Chris who drives the Kona ordered a new RAV 4 Hybrid for his wife, it
>> was ordered mid 2021 and its expected delivery date is Feb 2022, they
>> used to sell for mid $40,000's now its closer to $53,000.
>> Not a good time to be buying a new car.
>
> Depends what you're buying.
>
> I took a mate out on Monday morning

Bullshit alert!

<snip lies>

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 by: Grumpy Tech - Wed, 15 Dec 2021 08:39 UTC

On 15/12/2021 3:54 pm, alvey wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 10:38:53 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>
>> On 15/12/2021 10:32 am, alvey wrote:
>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 09:08:14 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 15/12/2021 8:16 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 07:33:42 +1000, alvey wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 22:18:09 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That doesn't say much for the Hyundai, as the Tesla's are a pretty
>>>>>>> average car.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're contradicting yourself Fraudster. You have a long and whining road
>>>>>> history of sneering at motor journos as 'know nothings', yet here you are
>>>>>> passing judgement on a car that you've never sat in and, not having any
>>>>>> friends better off than you, don't know anyone who owns one. So guess what
>>>>>> Fraudster? Yep, you're making a dick of yourself. Again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well played.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh and on "Well played", congrats to Elon Musk on being named Time's Person
>>>>> ot Year.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah through history they have named some great people as Person of the
>>>> Year like Hitler and Stalin, Richard Nixon, Khrushchev, Putin, and
>>>> Trump. Yep he's in great company there.
>>>>
>>>> Alvey takes foot out of arse and places it in mouth...
>>>
>>> *Still* on the ironic "well played"... Well played to Gumps for not knowing
>>> what Time's PotY represents.
>>>
>>> Here ya go Gumpo! "...a person, group, an idea, or an object that for
>>> better or for worse... has done the most to influence the events of the
>>> year".
>>>
>>> Seriously Gumps, give up the snipes and improve everyone's life.
>>>
>>> alvey
>>> bye gumps.
>>>
>>
>> Yep, every time... comes in a swingin' and a missin' and then buggers
>> off again until the next time he makes a fool of himself.
>
> Good old Gumps, he's like a king tide. Highly predictable, and similar in
> that both leave a smelly mess behind after they retreat...

Oh alvey wearing his big boy pants waits for his team to stand up then
whimpers a response. The only people making a fool of themselves here
are those who are so lacking in insight that they are not able to see
the woods from the trees. Think those who spend hours each day
responding to posts knowing that the person they are responding to does
not give a rats. What a bunch of fools.

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 by: Clocky - Wed, 15 Dec 2021 08:57 UTC

On 15/12/2021 4:39 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
> On 15/12/2021 3:54 pm, alvey wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 10:38:53 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>
>>> On 15/12/2021 10:32 am, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 09:08:14 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 15/12/2021 8:16 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 07:33:42 +1000, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 22:18:09 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That doesn't say much for the Hyundai, as the Tesla's are a pretty
>>>>>>>> average car.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're contradicting yourself Fraudster. You have a long and
>>>>>>> whining road
>>>>>>> history of sneering at motor journos as 'know nothings', yet here
>>>>>>> you are
>>>>>>> passing judgement on a car that you've never sat in and, not
>>>>>>> having any
>>>>>>> friends better off than you, don't know anyone who owns one. So
>>>>>>> guess what
>>>>>>> Fraudster? Yep, you're making a dick of yourself. Again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well played.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh and on "Well played", congrats to Elon Musk on being named
>>>>>> Time's Person
>>>>>> ot Year.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah through history they have named some great people as Person of
>>>>> the
>>>>> Year like Hitler and Stalin, Richard Nixon, Khrushchev, Putin, and
>>>>> Trump. Yep he's in great company there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alvey takes foot out of arse and places it in mouth...
>>>>
>>>> *Still* on the ironic "well played"... Well played to Gumps for not
>>>> knowing
>>>> what Time's PotY represents.
>>>>
>>>> Here ya go Gumpo! "...a person, group, an idea, or an object that for
>>>> better or for worse... has done the most to influence the events of the
>>>> year".
>>>>
>>>> Seriously Gumps, give up the snipes and improve everyone's life.
>>>>
>>>> alvey
>>>> bye gumps.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yep, every time... comes in a swingin' and a missin' and then buggers
>>> off again until the next time he makes a fool of himself.
>>
>> Good old Gumps, he's like a king tide. Highly predictable, and similar in
>> that both leave a smelly mess behind after they retreat...
>
> Oh alvey wearing his big boy pants waits for his team to stand up then
> whimpers a response. The only people making a fool of themselves here
> are

You.

"Yeah through history they have named some great people as Person of
the Year like Hitler and Stalin, Richard Nixon, Khrushchev, Putin, and
Trump. Yep he's in great company there.

Alvey takes foot out of arse and places it in mouth..."

Is the proof you are the fool!

Now put away your handbag and whimper off like you always do.

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