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 by: Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) - Sat, 2 Apr 2022 07:36 UTC

I have seen very few of these, yet I'd have thought in the day, they would
be cheaper to make for all those selections which were quite short, say
under 40mins.
Schel Silverstien did one which I've heard. and I've heard tell of one by
the Tornados, but apart form those, I don't know. Perhaps its as simple as
nobody liked them , so nobody bothered about any saving in material, and
pressed them onto 12inch LPs.
Brian

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 by: soup - Sat, 2 Apr 2022 09:32 UTC

To make 10" vinyl slugs(Wd?)may well have necessitated new machinery or
which would require changes(perhaps just adjustments) in machinery,
perhaps that would negate any minuscule differences in cost of raw
material.
And what if it didn't fit on a 7" single but would fit on 8" and what
if...?

I feel the ones 'printed/pressed' would be promotional items printed
more for novelty value rather than any potential cost savings.

On 02/04/2022 08:36, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
> I have seen very few of these, yet I'd have thought in the day, they would
> be cheaper to make for all those selections which were quite short, say
> under 40mins.
> Schel Silverstien did one which I've heard. and I've heard tell of one by
> the Tornados, but apart form those, I don't know. Perhaps its as simple as
> nobody liked them , so nobody bothered about any saving in material, and
> pressed them onto 12inch LPs.
> Brian
>

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 by: RustyHinge - Sat, 2 Apr 2022 09:44 UTC

On 02/04/2022 08:36, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:

> I have seen very few of these, yet I'd have thought in the day, they would
> be cheaper to make for all those selections which were quite short, say
> under 40mins.
> Schel Silverstien did one which I've heard. and I've heard tell of one by
> the Tornados, but apart form those, I don't know. Perhaps its as simple as
> nobody liked them , so nobody bothered about any saving in material, and
> pressed them onto 12inch LPs.

12" LPs were used extensively for some of the shorter classical pieces
which were too long to include with something else on an LP, and I have
quite a number.

They were also used for stuff like Hoffnung's Address to the Oxford Union.

There was quite a range of formats: 7" singles at 45 rpm; 7" Extended
Play at 45 rpm; 10" LP at 33⅓ rpm; 10" at a slower speed (can't unforget
the rpm) for speech; 12" LP at 33⅓ rpm; 12" LP for speech at the slower
speed (used by language teaching formats, mainly), and I've prolly
missed-out some options. I expect the advent of decent reel-to-reel tape
recorders had some adverse effect on the availability of all the vinyl
formats too.

I could go on, but I'm not going to...

--
Rusty Hinge
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"Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
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> I have seen very few of these, yet I'd have thought in the day, they
> would be cheaper to make for all those selections which were quite
> short, say under 40mins.

10" LPs vaguely tickle the back of my mind but I can't really remember why -
I never owned one. SWMBO has no recollection at all.

--
Peter
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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Sat, 2 Apr 2022 11:28 UTC

On Sat, 2 Apr 2022 08:36:51 +0100
"Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> I have seen very few of these, yet I'd have thought in the day, they
> would be cheaper to make for all those selections which were quite short,
> say under 40mins.

Some of Tom Lehrer's albums came out in 10" versions with just the
songs and 12" versions with his introductory patter - I think all of the
first three, I got the impression that the 10" ones were studio and the 12"
were released later with live versions of the same songs.

--
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Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

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 by: Tone - Sat, 2 Apr 2022 11:44 UTC

On 02/04/2022 12:28, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Apr 2022 08:36:51 +0100
> "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I have seen very few of these, yet I'd have thought in the day, they
>> would be cheaper to make for all those selections which were quite short,
>> say under 40mins.
>
> Some of Tom Lehrer's albums came out in 10" versions with just the
> songs and 12" versions with his introductory patter - I think all of the
> first three, I got the impression that the 10" ones were studio and the 12"
> were released later with live versions of the same songs.
>

The first cut of Chumbawamba's Engish Rebel Songs was on a 10 inch LP.

It's fairly rare now. I still have my copy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Rebel_Songs_1381%E2%80%931984

They offered me the job of manager in 1988. I turned it down!

Tone

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 by: Chris Elvidge - Sat, 2 Apr 2022 14:37 UTC

On 02/04/2022 12:28, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Apr 2022 08:36:51 +0100
> "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I have seen very few of these, yet I'd have thought in the day, they
>> would be cheaper to make for all those selections which were quite short,
>> say under 40mins.
>
> Some of Tom Lehrer's albums came out in 10" versions with just the
> songs and 12" versions with his introductory patter - I think all of the
> first three, I got the impression that the 10" ones were studio and the 12"
> were released later with live versions of the same songs.
>

I've got a 1958 10" Decca LP of "Songs by Tom Lehrer".

The Old Dope Peddler; Be Prepared; The Wild West; I Wanna Go Back To
Dixie; Fight Fiercely, Harvard; Lobachevsky

The Irish Ballad; The Hunting Song; My Home Town; When You Are Old And
Grey; I Hold Your Hand In Mine; The Weiner Schnitzel Waltz

--
Chris Elvidge
England

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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Sat, 2 Apr 2022 15:17 UTC

On Sat, 2 Apr 2022 15:37:40 +0100
Chris Elvidge <chris@mshome.net> wrote:

> I've got a 1958 10" Decca LP of "Songs by Tom Lehrer".

That LP was my introduction to Tom Lehrer - but the 12" version
with all the patter and audience reactions.

> The Old Dope Peddler; Be Prepared; The Wild West; I Wanna Go Back To
________________________^^^^^^^^^^^

Dedicated to the Boy Scouts of America, those noble little bast...
....ions of society.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

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 by: soup - Sat, 2 Apr 2022 17:36 UTC

On 02/04/2022 17:41, John Williamson wrote:

> What started to kill vinyl was the Compact Cassette, and what finally
> finished it off was CD and downloads.
>

Vinyl isn't dead, it is just very very niche.
http://voxboxmusic.co.uk/

I remember Saturday mornings spent flicking through hundreds and
hundreds of album covers with no intention of buying anything .

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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Sat, 2 Apr 2022 17:32 UTC

On Sat, 2 Apr 2022 17:41:54 +0100
John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:

> What started to kill vinyl was the Compact Cassette, and what finally
> finished it off was CD and downloads.

The pre-recorded cassettes had such awful quality that many people
(me among them) tended to ohl the album on vinyl and record their own
cassettes at much higher quality, we also tended to give copies to friends
on request (and provision of a tape!) hence "home taping is killing music".
Even the most purnc and penc record player sounded better than pre-recorded
cassettes.

CDs definitely stopped people ohling vinyl, it takes a *good* system
and proper care of the records to make vinyl sound better than a CD - both
were fairly rare. Also CDs were a lot more robust than vinyl (but nothing
like as robust as original claims might lead one to think -quarter inch
hold indeed!).

--
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Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

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 by: RustyHinge - Sat, 2 Apr 2022 18:39 UTC

On 02/04/2022 17:41, John Williamson wrote:
> On 02/04/2022 10:44, RustyHinge wrote:
>
>> There was quite a range of formats: 7" singles at 45 rpm; 7" Extended
>> Play at 45 rpm; 10" LP at 33⅓ rpm; 10" at a slower speed (can't unforget
>> the rpm) for speech; 12" LP at 33⅓ rpm; 12" LP for speech at the slower
>> speed (used by language teaching formats, mainly),
>
> 16 2/3 rpm. Also used for "party mix" LPs. 90 minutes of music per disc,
> handy for background music when nobody is paying much attention.
>
> I have also seen a few 7 discs recorded at 33 1/3 rpm.
>
> 10 inches was a not-rare size for shellac 78 rpm discs, IIRC commoner
> than 12 inches.
>
> and I've prolly
>> missed-out some options. I expect the advent of decent reel-to-reel tape
>> recorders had some adverse effect on the availability of all the vinyl
>> formats too.
>>
> What started to kill vinyl was the Compact Cassette, and what finally
> finished it off was CD and downloads.

And now it's resurrected as a cult item <Kenneth Williams> "Cult, I
said: cult!" </K. W.> and joie de connoisseur

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

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 by: RustyHinge - Sat, 2 Apr 2022 18:48 UTC

On 02/04/2022 18:36, soup wrote:
> On 02/04/2022 17:41, John Williamson wrote:
>
>> What started to kill vinyl was the Compact Cassette, and what finally
>> finished it off was CD and downloads.
>>
>
> Vinyl isn't dead, it is just very very niche.
> http://voxboxmusic.co.uk/
>
> I remember Saturday mornings spent flicking through hundreds and
> hundreds of album covers with no intention of buying anything .

Jbexvat in a sec^h^h^h^pre-loved Hi-Fi shop as once I did, I used to go
through the vinyl with every intention of ohling anything worthwhile -
that I could afford.

I came by some stunning bargains thus, and from the discards a lot more.
I first came upon a pile of (chuckout, unmarked) 33⅓s of the Comedian
Harmonists (q.v. on net!) which are now most cherished.

--
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 by: Nick Odell - Sat, 2 Apr 2022 19:57 UTC

On Sat, 2 Apr 2022 17:41:54 +0100, John Williamson
<johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:

>On 02/04/2022 10:44, RustyHinge wrote:
>
>> There was quite a range of formats: 7" singles at 45 rpm; 7" Extended
>> Play at 45 rpm; 10" LP at 33? rpm; 10" at a slower speed (can't unforget
>> the rpm) for speech; 12" LP at 33? rpm; 12" LP for speech at the slower
>> speed (used by language teaching formats, mainly),
>
>16 2/3 rpm. Also used for "party mix" LPs. 90 minutes of music per disc,
>handy for background music when nobody is paying much attention.
>
>I have also seen a few 7 discs recorded at 33 1/3 rpm.
>
>10 inches was a not-rare size for shellac 78 rpm discs, IIRC commoner
>than 12 inches.
>
>and I've prolly
>> missed-out some options. I expect the advent of decent reel-to-reel tape
>> recorders had some adverse effect on the availability of all the vinyl
>> formats too.
>>
>What started to kill vinyl was the Compact Cassette, and what finally
>finished it off was CD and downloads.

I still have a couple of 10" shellac 78s but only one 10" vinyl LP.
It's BLP 1081
I'm quite surprised to discover that if I type BLP 1081 into the
search box this LP comes out right at the top of the list.

Whenever I say something vague or obtuse in ye shedde and don't
explain myself fully I always check to make sure I've said enough to
be searchable but this comes in at No1, 2, - most of the first page,
in fact.

Nick

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 by: Sam Plusnet - Sat, 2 Apr 2022 19:58 UTC

On 02-Apr-22 18:32, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> The pre-recorded cassettes had such awful quality that many people
> (me among them) tended to ohl the album on vinyl and record their own
> cassettes at much higher quality

Thou kiddest not.
My brother brought a couple of Beatles albums, on cassette, back from
Germany & left them with me.
They were German releases & hence somewhat different to what was
available here.
The quality was... absent.

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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Sat, 2 Apr 2022 19:36 UTC

On Sat, 2 Apr 2022 19:39:16 +0100
RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:

> And now it's resurrected as a cult item <Kenneth Williams> "Cult, I
> said: cult!" </K. W.> and joie de connoisseur

Yes, but the cevpr they're charging for new vinyl is just mad and
you can't get cartridges with gemstone cantilevers now - your wallet would
be grateful if you never heard one as your ears wouldn't let you ohl
anything else afterwards - DAMHIK I'm just glad it was the purpleheart and
not the lapis lazuli that caught me.

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 by: BrainD - Sat, 2 Apr 2022 23:57 UTC

RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:

> There was quite a range of formats: 7" singles at 45 rpm; 7" Extended Play
> at 45 rpm; 10" LP at 33⅓ rpm; 10" at a slower speed (can't unforget the
> rpm) for speech; 12" LP at 33⅓ rpm; 12" LP for speech at the slower speed
> (used by language teaching formats, mainly), and I've prolly missed-out
> some options. I expect the advent of decent reel-to-reel tape recorders
> had some adverse effect on the availability of all the vinyl formats too.
>
I unforget my late Mother's record collection included sizes such as 8", 10"
etc. at speeds of 78RPM and 80rpm. And possibly others. They played OK on my
sister's Dansette.

--
Braind

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 by: Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) - Sun, 3 Apr 2022 11:49 UTC

PS sorry bout the typos, typingwith the keyboard on my stomach.
Brian

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>I have seen very few of these, yet I'd have thought in the day, they would
>be cheaper to make for all those selections which were quite short, say
>under 40mins.
> Schel Silverstien did one which I've heard. and I've heard tell of one by
> the Tornados, but apart form those, I don't know. Perhaps its as simple as
> nobody liked them , so nobody bothered about any saving in material, and
> pressed them onto 12inch LPs.
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 by: Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) - Sun, 3 Apr 2022 12:01 UTC

I remember when Gerry Andersons Century 21 label came out they ran 7inch at
33.and 1/3. This enabled them to get a short story on one side and about
three theme tunes on the other. There were some Disney releases like this as
well.
The speed of spoken word according to a bsr autochanger was 16rpm.
Interestingly all the decks I have can detect discs of 10 7 and 12 inch, but
maybe this is a throw back to 78s, where both 10 and 12 inch-ers were made.
Put them on an autochanger and watch the springs!

Of course toward the end 78s were made of vinyl, with warnings not to play
them on old equipment with acoustic horns etc.
A friend back in the60s came back from India with a Parlophone Beatles
single on 78. I never heard it play. It was not exactly vinyl, it was a form
of hard plastic of some kind, not shellac.

Does anyone remember those Direct cut albums in the 80s, most were normal 33
1/3, but some were 45, like the 12in singles.

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"RustyHinge" <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On 02/04/2022 08:36, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
>
>> I have seen very few of these, yet I'd have thought in the day, they
>> would
>> be cheaper to make for all those selections which were quite short, say
>> under 40mins.
>> Schel Silverstien did one which I've heard. and I've heard tell of one
>> by
>> the Tornados, but apart form those, I don't know. Perhaps its as simple
>> as
>> nobody liked them , so nobody bothered about any saving in material, and
>> pressed them onto 12inch LPs.
>
> 12" LPs were used extensively for some of the shorter classical pieces
> which were too long to include with something else on an LP, and I have
> quite a number.
>
> They were also used for stuff like Hoffnung's Address to the Oxford Union.
>
> There was quite a range of formats: 7" singles at 45 rpm; 7" Extended Play
> at 45 rpm; 10" LP at 33? rpm; 10" at a slower speed (can't unforget the
> rpm) for speech; 12" LP at 33? rpm; 12" LP for speech at the slower speed
> (used by language teaching formats, mainly), and I've prolly missed-out
> some options. I expect the advent of decent reel-to-reel tape recorders
> had some adverse effect on the availability of all the vinyl formats too.
>
> I could go on, but I'm not going to...
>
> --
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> To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the
> BOFH.

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 by: Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) - Sun, 3 Apr 2022 12:09 UTC

I feel, however that sometimes, the vinyl still sounds better. I think the
current craze however is just that, a trend. The problem with early cds was
they did not use a flat master, they used the vinyl ones with were bass
light and middle heavy.
Later on when proper remastering was done many sounded very good indeed on
CD. Of course you are a bit trapped, since the dynamic range of the original
had been recorded for vinyl, but when you remastered it you had a choice of
making it sound like it used to, or go for the higher dynamics. Some Elton
John remasters are fantastic now, but some are not and unfortunately its
hard to know the source when you get it.
Modern recordings of popular music seems to be all close miked and
compressed. Maybe its just the current fad, but its annoying.
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> On 02/04/2022 10:44, RustyHinge wrote:
>
>> There was quite a range of formats: 7" singles at 45 rpm; 7" Extended
>> Play at 45 rpm; 10" LP at 33? rpm; 10" at a slower speed (can't unforget
>> the rpm) for speech; 12" LP at 33? rpm; 12" LP for speech at the slower
>> speed (used by language teaching formats, mainly),
>
> 16 2/3 rpm. Also used for "party mix" LPs. 90 minutes of music per disc,
> handy for background music when nobody is paying much attention.
>
> I have also seen a few 7 discs recorded at 33 1/3 rpm.
>
> 10 inches was a not-rare size for shellac 78 rpm discs, IIRC commoner than
> 12 inches.
>
> and I've prolly
>> missed-out some options. I expect the advent of decent reel-to-reel tape
>> recorders had some adverse effect on the availability of all the vinyl
>> formats too.
>>
> What started to kill vinyl was the Compact Cassette, and what finally
> finished it off was CD and downloads.
>
> --
> Tciao for Now!
>
> John.

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 by: Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) - Sun, 3 Apr 2022 12:24 UTC

Actually it was 1/8 inch holes. It would play fine. The problems were
scratches and smears defocusing the beams. In other words, you had the wrong
sort of damage, so as long as you only put small holes in your cds you will
be fine!

Modern CD players have more ram in them so they can recover better and also
are not so much like an earth tremor detector as my Phillips cd100 is.

On Cassettes. The major cock up was to use Dolby B. The issues is that it is
logarithmic, not linear and hence any tape deviations from the recording
machine show up far more than if the tape was used without it and recorded
normally. Of course his was the result due to really cheapo bin pancake
copying and naff mechanics in the housing, and of course the terrible idea
of making players with no auto end stop operated by the stalling of the take
up spool.
Nearly every DBX cassette deck I have is not prone to interchangabiility as
this is a linear compander over several spectrums in the chip. Its cheap and
works well on most material with the possible exception of solo piano, where
you can sometimes hear the background hiss at different frequencies playing
along, as noise reduction only comes in when it reaches certain levels of
course I have made many CDs from 120 cassettes with old concerts on them
which sound really good.
Ferric tape seems better than most of the exotic types, including metal as
they often seem to have dropouts or slightly increased distortion. You also
don't need Dolby HX bias adjustment to stop high end crush either, as the
dbx level is lower as a mean than the normal recording and peaks are only
less than half the size. Of course if you play it on a care system with no
dbx it bears a surprising resemblance to radio 1 compression levels but with
less bass!

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"Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 2 Apr 2022 17:41:54 +0100
> John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> What started to kill vinyl was the Compact Cassette, and what finally
>> finished it off was CD and downloads.
>
> The pre-recorded cassettes had such awful quality that many people
> (me among them) tended to ohl the album on vinyl and record their own
> cassettes at much higher quality, we also tended to give copies to friends
> on request (and provision of a tape!) hence "home taping is killing
> music".
> Even the most purnc and penc record player sounded better than
> pre-recorded
> cassettes.
>
> CDs definitely stopped people ohling vinyl, it takes a *good* system
> and proper care of the records to make vinyl sound better than a CD - both
> were fairly rare. Also CDs were a lot more robust than vinyl (but nothing
> like as robust as original claims might lead one to think -quarter inch
> hold indeed!).
>
> --
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> Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

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> PS sorry bout the typos, typingwith the keyboard on my stomach.

You've turned into an interactive tellytubby ?
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 by: Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) - Sun, 3 Apr 2022 12:31 UTC

Yes, I had Physical, by ONJ and Mirage by Fleetwood Mac on cassette, Spanish
made, both were pretty naff. When I got home, aI transferred the tape itself
to some quality Maxell housings, and they sounded pretty reasonable though
lacking in top end. Thus I soon concluded that it probably did not matter
how good the recording had been made, cheap tape and housings were their
downfall.
I had a Decca recording of Two pianos in Hollywood. That was awful and made
in the UK. Too much compression and a built in warble on the pianos. The
best one for a short while was a tape EP of Barbara Dickson made on chrome
tape but with normal EQ. Trouble was after a few plays it started to gargle
and seize up. I had to take that apart and clean some naff grease of
everything including the tape with a pad. No idea what they had done.
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> On 02-Apr-22 18:32, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> The pre-recorded cassettes had such awful quality that many people
>> (me among them) tended to ohl the album on vinyl and record their own
>> cassettes at much higher quality
>
> Thou kiddest not.
> My brother brought a couple of Beatles albums, on cassette, back from
> Germany & left them with me.
> They were German releases & hence somewhat different to what was available
> here.
> The quality was... absent.
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 by: Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) - Sun, 3 Apr 2022 12:46 UTC

They really used to go to town designing album covers though, who can forget
the Stones Sticky fingers with unzippable flies on the front, or Pat Benetar
in a straight jacket?
There were a lot of others meant to shock, but some of them were just
laughable like Golden Biscuits by Three Dog Night where everyone was naked.

Did anyone understand why the album Tusk had a dog on the front?
No I don't think they did either.

I guess it matters not these days for me, since I can't see them.

Not sure I'd pay nearly 25 quid for what I can get on CD for under a 10er
though. CDs are getting shorter again. Abbas Voyage is only just over 37
minutes long, and there are quite a number very similar. You used to be able
to tell as the cd would be just a mirror on the outside of the track area,
as I could see on Tango by James Last and Roxy Musics Avelon. Nowadays they
look full but are not. I often wonder if some secret stuff is in the rest of
the cd but you need some special player to find it.
I do have some CDV singles where the surface is gold but there are two
tracks in audio and one in video. These would play on some of the Video disc
players made by Philips and Pioneer. the format seems to have been quite
popular in Japan.

The latest wheeze of course is to put out remixed compilations of stuff by
famous people on DVDs and Blue rays mixed into Dolby Atmos.
Genesis, Beatles, Elton John etc. Not got any of those as I don't have any
kind of surround system, but did buy a live by Post Modern Jukebox a while
ago and it has a dvd with it that is a video of the same concert, but has
more tracks and the sound is very much better than the cd in my view.
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> On 02/04/2022 18:36, soup wrote:
>> On 02/04/2022 17:41, John Williamson wrote:
>>
>>> What started to kill vinyl was the Compact Cassette, and what finally
>>> finished it off was CD and downloads.
>>>
>>
>> Vinyl isn't dead, it is just very very niche.
>> http://voxboxmusic.co.uk/
>>
>> I remember Saturday mornings spent flicking through hundreds and hundreds
>> of album covers with no intention of buying anything .
>
> Jbexvat in a sec^h^h^h^pre-loved Hi-Fi shop as once I did, I used to go
> through the vinyl with every intention of ohling anything worthwhile -
> that I could afford.
>
> I came by some stunning bargains thus, and from the discards a lot more. I
> first came upon a pile of (chuckout, unmarked) 33?s of the Comedian
> Harmonists (q.v. on net!) which are now most cherished.
>
> --
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 by: Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) - Sun, 3 Apr 2022 12:50 UTC

I used to have two albums on reel to reel. Cilla sings a rainbow and
Revolver.
Both in mono half track 3 and 3 quarters ips. Small reels in boxes. Trouble
was the machine I was playing them on developed a fault that turned on
erase randomly. It was fixed by a new switch wafer, it was all valve, but it
was too late by then.
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> On 02/04/2022 17:41, John Williamson wrote:
>> On 02/04/2022 10:44, RustyHinge wrote:
>>
>>> There was quite a range of formats: 7" singles at 45 rpm; 7" Extended
>>> Play at 45 rpm; 10" LP at 33? rpm; 10" at a slower speed (can't unforget
>>> the rpm) for speech; 12" LP at 33? rpm; 12" LP for speech at the slower
>>> speed (used by language teaching formats, mainly),
>>
>> 16 2/3 rpm. Also used for "party mix" LPs. 90 minutes of music per disc,
>> handy for background music when nobody is paying much attention.
>>
>> I have also seen a few 7 discs recorded at 33 1/3 rpm.
>>
>> 10 inches was a not-rare size for shellac 78 rpm discs, IIRC commoner
>> than 12 inches.
>>
>> and I've prolly
>>> missed-out some options. I expect the advent of decent reel-to-reel tape
>>> recorders had some adverse effect on the availability of all the vinyl
>>> formats too.
>>>
>> What started to kill vinyl was the Compact Cassette, and what finally
>> finished it off was CD and downloads.
>
> And now it's resurrected as a cult item <Kenneth Williams> "Cult, I said:
> cult!" </K. W.> and joie de connoisseur
>
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 by: Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) - Sun, 3 Apr 2022 12:51 UTC

I can play them. Ortofon still make styli, even for the Concorde I use on my
technics deck.
Brian

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"Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 2 Apr 2022 19:39:16 +0100
> RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> And now it's resurrected as a cult item <Kenneth Williams> "Cult, I
>> said: cult!" </K. W.> and joie de connoisseur
>
> Yes, but the cevpr they're charging for new vinyl is just mad and
> you can't get cartridges with gemstone cantilevers now - your wallet would
> be grateful if you never heard one as your ears wouldn't let you ohl
> anything else afterwards - DAMHIK I'm just glad it was the purpleheart and
> not the lapis lazuli that caught me.
>
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