On 31/01/2023 14:57, Simon Ferrol wrote:
> By then, Britain had had a few years of appeasement with Germany.
>
> Jeez, you Brexitards are quick at quoting Churchill but you never heard
> of Neville Chamberlain? Do I have to spoon feed you with vile hyperlinks?
>
> alan_m:
>> They were allies with Hitler when they invaded Poland in 1939. During
>> the next couple of war years the soviets either executed or sent
>> 100,000s of Poles to their own concentration camps.

Careful., your bigotry is showing. Zip it up and pop it back in your
trousers
--
Truth welcomes investigation because truth knows investigation will lead
to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques.

On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 01:54:17 +1100, Simon Ferrol
<simon.ferrol@englandmail.com> wrote:

> Yes they did liberate continental Europe

Nope, just occupied most of eastern europe.

> and no, they didn't annex anyone.

Bullshit with Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary etc.

> Europe was split in two spheres of influence at Yalta,

But while the west didn't stay in what they liberated
for long, the russia stayed for almost 50 years.

> a treaty signed by Britain too.

> So, who liberated concentration camps then?

Mostly the yanks and to a lesser extent the poms.

Russia didnt even 'liberate' russians in german
concentration camps.

> You gave your ignorance away when you equated EU = URSS.

You did with your original pig ignorant stupidity and your current
doubling down.

> But please keep reheating your baked beans on your radiator.

> The Natural Philosopher:
>> The soviets didn't liberate *anyone*, they annexed Eastern Europe for
>> themselves and made it part of their version of the EU - the USSR.

On 31 Jan 2023 at 14:54:17 GMT, "Simon Ferrol" <simon.ferrol@englandmail.com>
wrote:

> Yes they did liberate continental Europe and no, they didn't annex anyone.

What an ignorant twerp.

They directly annexed the Baltic states, Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania, which
had been independent countries prior to WW2. In the other eastern bloc
countries (Poland etc), they installed puppet regimes. Even there, the
Hungarians, the Czechs, made separate attempts to kick them out and got
invaded for their pains.

--
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Churchill: "And you, madam, are ugly. But I shall be sober in the morning."

On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 10:23:56 UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 31/01/2023 10:09, Simon Ferrol wrote:
> > Even I, an illiterate underclass from Birmingham, know that it was the
> > Soviets who liberated Europe from the Nazis, not the self-appointed free
> > world.
> >
> That is the problem with being illiterate and underclass - you end up
> being educated by the soviets instead of at school.
>
> The soviets didn't liberate *anyone*, they annexed Eastern Europe for
> themselves and made it part of their version of the EU - the USSR.
>
> So liberating was it that the Hungarians the Czechs and the Poles all
> tried to get rid of them, thereafter.
>
> And got killed or sent to the gulags for their pains
>
> All of Western Europe - Norway, Denmark, Holland, Belgium, West
> Germany, Luxembourg, France, Italy, Malta, Sicily, Austria, as well as
> swathes of North Africa, never saw a single Russian boot.
>
> The US and the UK together liberated those, and the people were
> reasonably happy with the liberation, because there was no reason to
> occupy the countries thereafter, as Russia did.
>
> In WWII there wasn't a penny to pick against the Germans and the Russian
> for sheer unpleasantness, genocide, and imperial ambitions, If we had
> been smart we would have let Germany destroy Russia and then invaded
> Germany later.
>
> There would have been no cold war and no iron curtain. And no soviet
> subversion of democracy for the next 75 years

If Germany got their hands on soviet oil we'd likely be saying Heil Hitler now. Or be dead.

On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 19:32:11 +1100, Animal <tabbypurr@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 10:23:56 UTC, The Natural Philosopher
> wrote:
>> On 31/01/2023 10:09, Simon Ferrol wrote:
>> > Even I, an illiterate underclass from Birmingham, know that it was the
>> > Soviets who liberated Europe from the Nazis, not the self-appointed
>> free
>> > world.
>> >
>> That is the problem with being illiterate and underclass - you end up
>> being educated by the soviets instead of at school.
>>
>> The soviets didn't liberate *anyone*, they annexed Eastern Europe for
>> themselves and made it part of their version of the EU - the USSR.
>>
>> So liberating was it that the Hungarians the Czechs and the Poles all
>> tried to get rid of them, thereafter.
>>
>> And got killed or sent to the gulags for their pains
>>
>> All of Western Europe - Norway, Denmark, Holland, Belgium, West
>> Germany, Luxembourg, France, Italy, Malta, Sicily, Austria, as well as
>> swathes of North Africa, never saw a single Russian boot.
>>
>> The US and the UK together liberated those, and the people were
>> reasonably happy with the liberation, because there was no reason to
>> occupy the countries thereafter, as Russia did.
>>
>> In WWII there wasn't a penny to pick against the Germans and the Russian
>> for sheer unpleasantness, genocide, and imperial ambitions, If we had
>> been smart we would have let Germany destroy Russia and then invaded
>> Germany later.
>>
>> There would have been no cold war and no iron curtain. And no soviet
>> subversion of democracy for the next 75 years
>
> If Germany got their hands on soviet oil we'd likely be saying Heil
> Hitler now. Or be dead.

Nope, they never had the capacity to land enough on your island.

On Wednesday, 1 February 2023 at 09:03:36 UTC, chop wrote:
> On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 19:32:11 +1100, Animal <tabb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 10:23:56 UTC, The Natural Philosopher
> > wrote:
> >> On 31/01/2023 10:09, Simon Ferrol wrote:
> >> > Even I, an illiterate underclass from Birmingham, know that it was the
> >> > Soviets who liberated Europe from the Nazis, not the self-appointed
> >> free
> >> > world.
> >> >
> >> That is the problem with being illiterate and underclass - you end up
> >> being educated by the soviets instead of at school.
> >>
> >> The soviets didn't liberate *anyone*, they annexed Eastern Europe for
> >> themselves and made it part of their version of the EU - the USSR.
> >>
> >> So liberating was it that the Hungarians the Czechs and the Poles all
> >> tried to get rid of them, thereafter.
> >>
> >> And got killed or sent to the gulags for their pains
> >>
> >> All of Western Europe - Norway, Denmark, Holland, Belgium, West
> >> Germany, Luxembourg, France, Italy, Malta, Sicily, Austria, as well as
> >> swathes of North Africa, never saw a single Russian boot.
> >>
> >> The US and the UK together liberated those, and the people were
> >> reasonably happy with the liberation, because there was no reason to
> >> occupy the countries thereafter, as Russia did.
> >>
> >> In WWII there wasn't a penny to pick against the Germans and the Russian
> >> for sheer unpleasantness, genocide, and imperial ambitions, If we had
> >> been smart we would have let Germany destroy Russia and then invaded
> >> Germany later.
> >>
> >> There would have been no cold war and no iron curtain. And no soviet
> >> subversion of democracy for the next 75 years
> >
> > If Germany got their hands on soviet oil we'd likely be saying Heil
> > Hitler now. Or be dead.
> Nope, they never had the capacity to land enough on your island.

Oil would have given them the capacity to do a lot of things, including that.

On 01/02/2023 09:02, chop wrote:
> On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 19:32:11 +1100, Animal <tabbypurr@gmail.com> wrote:

>>
>> If Germany got their hands on soviet oil we'd likely be saying Heil
>> Hitler now. Or be dead.
>
> Nope, they never had the capacity to land enough on your island.

Oil wasn't the problem when they planned to take over the UK.

Even in Russia fuel was a problem but not because they didn't take the
oil fields but because they had massive logistical problems getting any
supplies to the front line, especially during winter.

--
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On 31/01/2023 19:02, Tim Streater wrote:
> On 31 Jan 2023 at 14:54:17 GMT, "Simon Ferrol" <simon.ferrol@englandmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Yes they did liberate continental Europe and no, they didn't annex anyone.
>
> What an ignorant twerp.
>
> They directly annexed the Baltic states, Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania, which
> had been independent countries prior to WW2. In the other eastern bloc
> countries (Poland etc), they installed puppet regimes. Even there, the
> Hungarians, the Czechs, made separate attempts to kick them out and got
> invaded for their pains.
>
The characteristics of the Hard Left are so similar to this Russian
troll as to suggest they learnt their agitprop from the same source.

--
“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that
the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt."

- Bertrand Russell

On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 20:11:46 +1100, Animal <tabbypurr@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, 1 February 2023 at 09:03:36 UTC, chop wrote:
>> On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 19:32:11 +1100, Animal <tabb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 10:23:56 UTC, The Natural Philosopher
>> > wrote:
>> >> On 31/01/2023 10:09, Simon Ferrol wrote:
>> >> > Even I, an illiterate underclass from Birmingham, know that it was
>> the
>> >> > Soviets who liberated Europe from the Nazis, not the self-appointed
>> >> free
>> >> > world.
>> >> >
>> >> That is the problem with being illiterate and underclass - you end up
>> >> being educated by the soviets instead of at school.
>> >>
>> >> The soviets didn't liberate *anyone*, they annexed Eastern Europe for
>> >> themselves and made it part of their version of the EU - the USSR.
>> >>
>> >> So liberating was it that the Hungarians the Czechs and the Poles all
>> >> tried to get rid of them, thereafter.
>> >>
>> >> And got killed or sent to the gulags for their pains
>> >>
>> >> All of Western Europe - Norway, Denmark, Holland, Belgium, West
>> >> Germany, Luxembourg, France, Italy, Malta, Sicily, Austria, as well
>> as
>> >> swathes of North Africa, never saw a single Russian boot.
>> >>
>> >> The US and the UK together liberated those, and the people were
>> >> reasonably happy with the liberation, because there was no reason to
>> >> occupy the countries thereafter, as Russia did.
>> >>
>> >> In WWII there wasn't a penny to pick against the Germans and the
>> Russian
>> >> for sheer unpleasantness, genocide, and imperial ambitions, If we had
>> >> been smart we would have let Germany destroy Russia and then invaded
>> >> Germany later.
>> >>
>> >> There would have been no cold war and no iron curtain. And no soviet
>> >> subversion of democracy for the next 75 years
>> >
>> > If Germany got their hands on soviet oil we'd likely be saying Heil
>> > Hitler now. Or be dead.
>> Nope, they never had the capacity to land enough on your island.
>
> Oil would have given them the capacity to do a lot of things, including
> that.

Nope, you need a hell of a lot more than just oil to do a viable amphibious
landing across the channel and to occupy the island and apply the jackboot.

On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 20:20:19 +1100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

> On 01/02/2023 09:02, chop wrote:
>> On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 19:32:11 +1100, Animal <tabbypurr@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>> If Germany got their hands on soviet oil we'd likely be saying Heil
>>> Hitler now. Or be dead.
>> Nope, they never had the capacity to land enough on your island.
>
> Oil wasn't the problem when they planned to take over the UK.

Correct.

> Even in Russia fuel was a problem but not because they didn't take the
> oil fields but because they had massive logistical problems getting any
> supplies to the front line, especially during winter.

Have I out-bigoted you Br*xitards? Whooo!

The Natural Philosopher:
> On 31/01/2023 14:57, Simon Ferrol wrote:
>> By then, Britain had had a few years of appeasement with Germany.
>>
>> Jeez, you Brexitards are quick at quoting Churchill but you never
>> heard of Neville Chamberlain? Do I have to spoon feed you with vile
>> hyperlinks?
>>
>> alan_m:
>>> They were allies with Hitler when they invaded Poland in 1939. During
>>> the next couple of war years the soviets either executed or sent
>>> 100,000s of Poles to their own concentration camps.
>
> Careful., your bigotry is showing. Zip it up and pop it back in your
> trousers

Methinks you learnt history from Allo Allo or Beano.

Rod Speed:
> On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 01:54:17 +1100, Simon Ferrol
> <simon.ferrol@englandmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes they did liberate continental Europe
>
> Nope, just occupied most of eastern europe.
>
>> and no, they didn't annex anyone.
>
> Bullshit with Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary etc.
>
>> Europe was split in two spheres of influence at Yalta,
>
> But while the west didn't stay in what they liberated
> for long, the russia stayed for almost 50 years.
>
>> a treaty signed by Britain too.
>
>> So, who liberated concentration camps then?
>
> Mostly the yanks and to a lesser extent the poms.
>
> Russia didnt even 'liberate' russians in german
> concentration camps.
>
>> You gave your ignorance away when you equated EU = URSS.
>
> You did with your original pig ignorant stupidity and your current
> doubling down.
>
>> But please keep reheating your baked beans on your radiator.
>
>> The Natural Philosopher:
>>> The soviets didn't liberate *anyone*, they annexed Eastern Europe for
>>> themselves and made it part of their version of the EU - the USSR.

And who sez I'm hard left. Jeez the ignorance of you over 80s. Nurse is
calling. Porridge is ready.

The Natural Philosopher:
> On 31/01/2023 19:02, Tim Streater wrote:
>> On 31 Jan 2023 at 14:54:17 GMT, "Simon Ferrol"
>> <simon.ferrol@englandmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes they did liberate continental Europe and no, they didn't annex
>>> anyone.
>>
>> What an ignorant twerp.
>>
>> They directly annexed the Baltic states, Latvia, Estonia, and
>> Lithuania, which
>> had been independent countries prior to WW2. In the other eastern bloc
>> countries (Poland etc), they installed puppet regimes. Even there, the
>> Hungarians, the Czechs, made separate attempts to kick them out and got
>> invaded for their pains.
>>
> The characteristics of the Hard Left are so similar to this Russian
> troll as to suggest they learnt their agitprop from the same source.
>

On 31/01/2023 18:19, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 31/01/2023 14:57, Simon Ferrol wrote:

>> By then, Britain had had a few years of appeasement with Germany.
>>
>> Jeez, you Brexitards are quick at quoting Churchill but you never
>> heard of Neville Chamberlain? Do I have to spoon feed you with vile
>> hyperlinks?
>>
>>> They were allies with Hitler when they invaded Poland in 1939. During
>>> the next couple of war years the soviets either executed or sent
>>> 100,000s of Poles to their own concentration camps.
>
> Careful., your bigotry is showing. Zip it up and pop it back in your
> trousers

....or the other way around. <g>

--
Max Demian

On 02/02/2023 11:23, Simon Ferrol wrote:
> Have I out-bigoted you Br*xitards? Whooo!

Yep, you have proved to be a true remainer.

--
mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

Wrong again. I'm not even a remainer. I didn't and still don't bother
voting. I just don't like you close-to-death self-appointed vigilantes
of the lost British virtues of the bygone days, such as cold water,
baked beans heated on radiators, shops shut at 4 pm, “No Irish no
blacks" signs on windows, poxy Royal Family memorabilia and a stench of
fart.

Still eating your Farmfoods economy porridge off that Lady Di
commemorative bowl, old Alan?

alan_m:
> On 02/02/2023 11:23, Simon Ferrol wrote:
>> Have I out-bigoted you Br*xitards? Whooo!
>
> Yep, you have proved to be a true remainer.
>
>

On 02/02/2023 12:08, alan_m wrote:
> On 02/02/2023 11:23, Simon Ferrol wrote:
>> Have I out-bigoted you Br*xitards? Whooo!
>
> Yep, you have proved to be a true remainer.
>
>
+1. The amazing thing is how ignorant Remainers are of politics,
economics, the world outside the EU, the EU itself, and how basic
international stuff actually works.

They were told the smart option was to vote remain, and were stupid
enough to believe it.

What a generation...

--
“But what a weak barrier is truth when it stands in the way of an
hypothesis!”

Mary Wollstonecraft

On 02 Feb 2023 at 15:49:01 GMT, "Simon Ferrol" <simon.ferrol@englandmail.com>
wrote:

> Wrong again. I'm not even a remainer. I didn't and still don't bother
> voting.

You mean putting your X on a bit of paper is too hard for you? Unsurprising.

--
All of science is either physics or stamp-collecting.

Ernest Rutherford

On 31/01/2023 11:25, alan_m wrote:

>>
>> The soviets ...
>
> They were allies with Hitler when they invaded Poland in 1939.

I keep seeing people reciting this. Where does it come from? Some idiot
on GBNews or Tucker Carlson or something?

Anyway it's wrong. There was a pact, a temporary non aggression pact
between sworn enemies which they both broke as soon as it was
convenient. That's nothing like being Allies but it suits the modern
right wing agenda to claim they were the same, equivalent and even
allies, so this fake history gets put about.

Stop believing it, stop repeating it pls.

TW

On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 22:25:13 +1100, Simon Ferrol
<simon.ferrol@englandmail.com> wrote:

> Methinks you learnt history from Allo Allo or Beano.

Nope, read the best history in fact and plenty of memoirs of those
involved too.

> Rod Speed:
>> On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 01:54:17 +1100, Simon Ferrol
>> <simon.ferrol@englandmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes they did liberate continental Europe
>> Nope, just occupied most of eastern europe.
>>
>>> and no, they didn't annex anyone.
>> Bullshit with Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary etc.
>>
>>> Europe was split in two spheres of influence at Yalta,
>> But while the west didn't stay in what they liberated
>> for long, the russia stayed for almost 50 years.
>>
>>> a treaty signed by Britain too.
>>
>>> So, who liberated concentration camps then?
>> Mostly the yanks and to a lesser extent the poms.
>> Russia didnt even 'liberate' russians in german
>> concentration camps.
>>
>>> You gave your ignorance away when you equated EU = URSS.
>> You did with your original pig ignorant stupidity and your current
>> doubling down.
>>
>>> But please keep reheating your baked beans on your radiator.
>>
>>> The Natural Philosopher:
>>>> The soviets didn't liberate *anyone*, they annexed Eastern Europe for
>>>> themselves and made it part of their version of the EU - the USSR.

On Wednesday, 1 February 2023 at 09:20:23 UTC, alan_m wrote:
> On 01/02/2023 09:02, chop wrote:
> > On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 19:32:11 +1100, Animal <tabb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> >>
> >> If Germany got their hands on soviet oil we'd likely be saying Heil
> >> Hitler now. Or be dead.
> >
> > Nope, they never had the capacity to land enough on your island.
> Oil wasn't the problem when they planned to take over the UK.
>
> Even in Russia fuel was a problem but not because they didn't take the
> oil fields but because they had massive logistical problems getting any
> supplies to the front line, especially during winter.

Lack of oil was a major problem for the national socialists.

On 02/02/2023 23:17, Animal wrote:
> On Wednesday, 1 February 2023 at 09:20:23 UTC, alan_m wrote:
>> On 01/02/2023 09:02, chop wrote:
>>> On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 19:32:11 +1100, Animal <tabb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> If Germany got their hands on soviet oil we'd likely be saying Heil
>>>> Hitler now. Or be dead.
>>>
>>> Nope, they never had the capacity to land enough on your island.
>> Oil wasn't the problem when they planned to take over the UK.
>>
>> Even in Russia fuel was a problem but not because they didn't take the
>> oil fields but because they had massive logistical problems getting any
>> supplies to the front line, especially during winter.
>
> Lack of oil was a major problem for the national socialists.

Yes, but it wasn't the reason that the invasion of the UK was cancelled.

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On Friday, 3 February 2023 at 07:48:46 UTC, alan_m wrote:
> On 02/02/2023 23:17, Animal wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 1 February 2023 at 09:20:23 UTC, alan_m wrote:
> >> On 01/02/2023 09:02, chop wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 19:32:11 +1100, Animal <tabb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>> If Germany got their hands on soviet oil we'd likely be saying Heil
> >>>> Hitler now. Or be dead.
> >>>
> >>> Nope, they never had the capacity to land enough on your island.
> >> Oil wasn't the problem when they planned to take over the UK.
> >>
> >> Even in Russia fuel was a problem but not because they didn't take the
> >> oil fields but because they had massive logistical problems getting any
> >> supplies to the front line, especially during winter.
> >
> > Lack of oil was a major problem for the national socialists.
> Yes, but it wasn't the reason that the invasion of the UK was cancelled.

??

On Sat, 04 Feb 2023 10:32:26 +1100, Animal <tabbypurr@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Friday, 3 February 2023 at 07:48:46 UTC, alan_m wrote:
>> On 02/02/2023 23:17, Animal wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, 1 February 2023 at 09:20:23 UTC, alan_m wrote:
>> >> On 01/02/2023 09:02, chop wrote:
>> >>> On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 19:32:11 +1100, Animal <tabb...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> If Germany got their hands on soviet oil we'd likely be saying Heil
>> >>>> Hitler now. Or be dead.
>> >>>
>> >>> Nope, they never had the capacity to land enough on your island.
>> >> Oil wasn't the problem when they planned to take over the UK.
>> >>
>> >> Even in Russia fuel was a problem but not because they didn't take
>> the
>> >> oil fields but because they had massive logistical problems getting
>> any
>> >> supplies to the front line, especially during winter.
>> >
>> > Lack of oil was a major problem for the national socialists.
>> Yes, but it wasn't the reason that the invasion of the UK was cancelled.
>
> ??

They didnt have a problem with a shortage of oil when they realised
that they couldnt do a successful amphibious invasion of the UK.

On Saturday, 4 February 2023 at 00:26:58 UTC, chop wrote:
> On Sat, 04 Feb 2023 10:32:26 +1100, Animal <tabb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Friday, 3 February 2023 at 07:48:46 UTC, alan_m wrote:
> >> On 02/02/2023 23:17, Animal wrote:
> >> > On Wednesday, 1 February 2023 at 09:20:23 UTC, alan_m wrote:
> >> >> On 01/02/2023 09:02, chop wrote:
> >> >>> On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 19:32:11 +1100, Animal <tabb...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> If Germany got their hands on soviet oil we'd likely be saying Heil
> >> >>>> Hitler now. Or be dead.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Nope, they never had the capacity to land enough on your island.
> >> >> Oil wasn't the problem when they planned to take over the UK.
> >> >>
> >> >> Even in Russia fuel was a problem but not because they didn't take
> >> the
> >> >> oil fields but because they had massive logistical problems getting
> >> any
> >> >> supplies to the front line, especially during winter.
> >> >
> >> > Lack of oil was a major problem for the national socialists.
> >> Yes, but it wasn't the reason that the invasion of the UK was cancelled.
> >
> > ??
> They didnt have a problem with a shortage of oil when they realised
> that they couldnt do a successful amphibious invasion of the UK.

they were terribly short of oil throughout the war. You are terribly short of a brain.