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SubjectAuthor
* Touch payments with phoneDave Plowman (News)
+* Re: Touch payments with phonefarter
|`* Re: Touch payments with phoneBrian Gaff
| +- Re: Touch payments with phoneJeff Gaines
| `- Re: Touch payments with phoneRod Speed
+* Re: Touch payments with phoneAndy Burns
|`- Re: Touch payments with phoneDave Plowman (News)
+* Re: Touch payments with phoneJethro_uk
|`- Re: Touch payments with phonefarter
+* Re: Touch payments with phoneMichael Chare
|`* Re: Touch payments with phoneAndy Burns
| `- Re: Touch payments with phonemechanic
+* Re: Touch payments with phoneJohn Rumm
|`- Re: Touch payments with phoneDave Plowman (News)
`* Re: Touch payments with phoneDan Green
 +- Re: Touch payments with phonechop
 `* Re: Touch payments with phoneDave Plowman (News)
  `* Re: Touch payments with phoneAndy Burns
   +* Re: Touch payments with phoneMathew Newton
   |`- Re: Touch payments with phoneJethro_uk
   `- Re: Touch payments with phoneDave Plowman (News)

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From: dav...@davenoise.co.uk (Dave Plowman (News))
Newsgroups: uk.d-i-y
Subject: Touch payments with phone
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 by: Dave Plowman (News) - Mon, 6 Feb 2023 16:01 UTC

I have a Galaxy S21 Ultra. Latest software updates. Bank with Barclays and
have the latest version of that App software too. Which seems to work just
fine - can do transfers and payments, etc.

And touch payment used to work - up until a couple of months ago. NFC is
on and the Barclay App selected.

If going to touch payment setup in the App I get 'Unfortunately you can't
make contactless payments with this device"

Which is obviously a lie since it did work until recently.

I've tried Barclays online chat and phoning them. Both seemed to be manned
by those without an answer and say they'll pass it on for advice and a
solution - but never do.

Any hints where to get an answer? I've tried an un install, deleting the
Barclays details, and starting over, with no success.

--
*What was the best thing before sliced bread? *

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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From: tsr...@gmail.com (farter)
Newsgroups: uk.d-i-y
Subject: Re: Touch payments with phone
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 by: farter - Mon, 6 Feb 2023 19:27 UTC

On Tue, 07 Feb 2023 03:01:52 +1100, Dave Plowman (News)
<dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

> I have a Galaxy S21 Ultra. Latest software updates. Bank with Barclays
> and
> have the latest version of that App software too. Which seems to work
> just
> fine - can do transfers and payments, etc.
>
> And touch payment used to work - up until a couple of months ago. NFC is
> on and the Barclay App selected.
>
> If going to touch payment setup in the App I get 'Unfortunately you can't
> make contactless payments with this device"
>
> Which is obviously a lie since it did work until recently.
>
> I've tried Barclays online chat and phoning them. Both seemed to be
> manned
> by those without an answer and say they'll pass it on for advice and a
> solution - but never do.
>
> Any hints where to get an answer? I've tried an un install, deleting the
> Barclays details, and starting over, with no success.

Android does prevent contactless payments on the phone
if it decides that the phone has been rooted.

Obviously the NFC capability may have failed.

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From: use...@andyburns.uk (Andy Burns)
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 by: Andy Burns - Mon, 6 Feb 2023 19:34 UTC

Dave Plowman wrote:

> touch payment used to work - up until a couple of months ago. NFC is
> on and the Barclay App selected.
>
> If going to touch payment setup in the App I get 'Unfortunately you can't
> make contactless payments with this device"
>
> Which is obviously a lie since it did work until recently.

Every frigging time the app gets updated, or you reboot the phonre, you
have to re-sign in to the Barclays app ... if you don't see their Eagle
icon in the status bar, you haven't done that and payments won't work.

Unless you've seen way too many Barclays notifications and have silenced
them?

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From: jethro...@hotmailbin.com (Jethro_uk)
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Subject: Re: Touch payments with phone
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 by: Jethro_uk - Mon, 6 Feb 2023 21:21 UTC

Isn't this the modern way ? Things that worked yesterday just stop today.

You can arse around with the 17 or so suggestions you will find as
solutions to your problem that aren't. Or you can just save time, factory
reset the phone and start again.

It was doing this that got my suddenly borked Android Auto working
again*. And it was doing this that I found out that no matter what Google
Drive says about your phone backups, it won't find them after a restore.

*Not even a week after I did this AA updated itself again and
significantly changed (i.e broke) the UI.

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 by: farter - Mon, 6 Feb 2023 21:56 UTC

On Tue, 07 Feb 2023 08:21:37 +1100, Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com>
wrote:

> Isn't this the modern way ? Things that worked yesterday just stop today.

Nope, Apple Pay and Google Pay still work fine.

> You can arse around with the 17 or so suggestions you will find as
> solutions to your problem that aren't. Or you can just save time, factory
> reset the phone and start again.

Or discover that others have had the same problem with Barclays
and see their fix works fine.

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From: mUNDERSC...@chareDOTorg.uk (Michael Chare)
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Subject: Re: Touch payments with phone
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 by: Michael Chare - Mon, 6 Feb 2023 22:54 UTC

On 06/02/2023 16:01, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> I have a Galaxy S21 Ultra. Latest software updates. Bank with Barclays and
> have the latest version of that App software too. Which seems to work just
> fine - can do transfers and payments, etc.
>
> And touch payment used to work - up until a couple of months ago. NFC is
> on and the Barclay App selected.
>
> If going to touch payment setup in the App I get 'Unfortunately you can't
> make contactless payments with this device"
>
> Which is obviously a lie since it did work until recently.
>
> I've tried Barclays online chat and phoning them. Both seemed to be manned
> by those without an answer and say they'll pass it on for advice and a
> solution - but never do.
>
> Any hints where to get an answer? I've tried an un install, deleting the
> Barclays details, and starting over, with no success.
>

I stored a Nationwide credit card in google wallet. To make a
contactless payment I just have to unlock the phone by entering the pin.
When making payments in Switzerland the amount was paid in SFr not GBP
and the app keeped a list of the payments. AIUI a Barclaycard is not
compatible with google wallet. :-(

--
Michael Chare

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 by: Andy Burns - Mon, 6 Feb 2023 23:46 UTC

Michael Chare wrote:

> I stored a Nationwide credit card in google wallet. To make a
> contactless payment I just have to unlock the phone

Barclays specifically *don't* work with Google Wallet.

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From: see.my.s...@nowhere.null (John Rumm)
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Subject: Re: Touch payments with phone
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 by: John Rumm - Tue, 7 Feb 2023 01:28 UTC

On 06/02/2023 16:01, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> I have a Galaxy S21 Ultra. Latest software updates. Bank with Barclays and
> have the latest version of that App software too. Which seems to work just
> fine - can do transfers and payments, etc.
>
> And touch payment used to work - up until a couple of months ago. NFC is
> on and the Barclay App selected.
>
> If going to touch payment setup in the App I get 'Unfortunately you can't
> make contactless payments with this device"
>
> Which is obviously a lie since it did work until recently.
>
> I've tried Barclays online chat and phoning them. Both seemed to be manned
> by those without an answer and say they'll pass it on for advice and a
> solution - but never do.
>
> Any hints where to get an answer? I've tried an un install, deleting the
> Barclays details, and starting over, with no success.

IME you need to have enabled contactless payment in the app recently -
if you leave it too many days before using it again it turns itself off.
(you also need NFC turned on in the phone settings). You normally need
to see the contactless icon on the status bar:

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/File:ContactlessIcon.png

--
Cheers,

John.

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 by: Brian Gaff - Tue, 7 Feb 2023 09:58 UTC

If its a contract phone then let them know its faulty and if you can get a
Pixel instead. Samsung are sort of not quite standard Android and often
things seem to go wrong in the software.
They make great tellies, but I'm not so sure about phones!
Brian

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"farter" <tsruhf@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:op.1zyloktesj0x4p@pvr2.lan...
> On Tue, 07 Feb 2023 03:01:52 +1100, Dave Plowman (News)
> <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I have a Galaxy S21 Ultra. Latest software updates. Bank with Barclays
>> and
>> have the latest version of that App software too. Which seems to work
>> just
>> fine - can do transfers and payments, etc.
>>
>> And touch payment used to work - up until a couple of months ago. NFC is
>> on and the Barclay App selected.
>>
>> If going to touch payment setup in the App I get 'Unfortunately you can't
>> make contactless payments with this device"
>>
>> Which is obviously a lie since it did work until recently.
>>
>> I've tried Barclays online chat and phoning them. Both seemed to be
>> manned
>> by those without an answer and say they'll pass it on for advice and a
>> solution - but never do.
>>
>> Any hints where to get an answer? I've tried an un install, deleting the
>> Barclays details, and starting over, with no success.
>
> Android does prevent contactless payments on the phone
> if it decides that the phone has been rooted.
>
> Obviously the NFC capability may have failed.

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 by: Jeff Gaines - Tue, 7 Feb 2023 10:08 UTC

That's an interesting comment from Brian about Samsung 'phones. I have
always found their screens very insensitive and slow to respond, I find
Chinese makes like Xiaomi much more responsive.

On 07/02/2023 in message <trt7cu$3hb7p$1@dont-email.me> Brian Gaff wrote:

>If its a contract phone then let them know its faulty and if you can get
>a Pixel instead. Samsung are sort of not quite standard Android and often
>things seem to go wrong in the software.
>They make great tellies, but I'm not so sure about phones!
>Brian

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
I take full responsibility for what happened - that is why the person that
was responsible went immediately.
(Gordon Brown, April 2009)

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 by: mechanic - Tue, 7 Feb 2023 11:12 UTC

On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 23:46:29 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

> Michael Chare wrote:
>
>> I stored a Nationwide credit card in google wallet. To make a
>> contactless payment I just have to unlock the phone
>
> Barclays specifically *don't* work with Google Wallet.

Roll on these discussions on introducing the digital pound/euro!

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 by: Rod Speed - Tue, 7 Feb 2023 17:43 UTC

Brian Gaff <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote

> If its a contract phone then let them know its faulty and if you can
> get a
> Pixel instead.

But not a Pixel 6 Pro, mate of mine had his shit down
in nothing special air temps when recording videos
and even just talking on the phone. He managed to
monster Google into replacing it with a Pixel 7 Pro
and that doesnt have the problem.

> Samsung are sort of not quite standard Android and often
> things seem to go wrong in the software.

> They make great tellies, but I'm not so sure about phones!

Yeah, mate of mine has had to replace his much too often
imo and has to keep his calls short to get a decent time
between charges. Thats fucked imo.

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 by: Dan Green - Wed, 8 Feb 2023 00:19 UTC

On Mon, 06 Feb 2023 16:01:52 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
<dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

>I have a Galaxy S21 Ultra. Latest software updates. Bank with Barclays and
>have the latest version of that App software too. Which seems to work just
>fine - can do transfers and payments, etc.
>
>And touch payment used to work - up until a couple of months ago. NFC is
>on and the Barclay App selected.
>
>If going to touch payment setup in the App I get 'Unfortunately you can't
>make contactless payments with this device"
>
>Which is obviously a lie since it did work until recently.
>
>I've tried Barclays online chat and phoning them. Both seemed to be manned
>by those without an answer and say they'll pass it on for advice and a
>solution - but never do.
>
>Any hints where to get an answer? I've tried an un install, deleting the
>Barclays details, and starting over, with no success.

And they're in the process of bringing in a "cashless society"! God
help us all.

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 by: chop - Wed, 8 Feb 2023 00:39 UTC

On Wed, 08 Feb 2023 11:19:37 +1100, Dan Green <dhg99908@hotmail.se> wrote:

> On Mon, 06 Feb 2023 16:01:52 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
> <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I have a Galaxy S21 Ultra. Latest software updates. Bank with Barclays
>> and
>> have the latest version of that App software too. Which seems to work
>> just
>> fine - can do transfers and payments, etc.
>>
>> And touch payment used to work - up until a couple of months ago. NFC is
>> on and the Barclay App selected.
>>
>> If going to touch payment setup in the App I get 'Unfortunately you
>> can't
>> make contactless payments with this device"
>>
>> Which is obviously a lie since it did work until recently.
>>
>> I've tried Barclays online chat and phoning them. Both seemed to be
>> manned
>> by those without an answer and say they'll pass it on for advice and a
>> solution - but never do.
>>
>> Any hints where to get an answer? I've tried an un install, deleting the
>> Barclays details, and starting over, with no success.
>
> And they're in the process of bringing in a "cashless society"!

Works fine for me. I only use cash at garage/car boot sales now
and that's not because cashless doesn't work there. I can pay to
any mobile number but it isnt worth holding up the queue of those
waiting to pay to convince the ignorant that its just as good as cash.

> God
> help us all.

Don't need any sky fairy, just use an operation that knows how to do
cashless payments.

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In article <k4d322FtdkgU1@mid.individual.net>,
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> Dave Plowman wrote:

> > touch payment used to work - up until a couple of months ago. NFC is
> > on and the Barclay App selected.
> >
> > If going to touch payment setup in the App I get 'Unfortunately you can't
> > make contactless payments with this device"
> >
> > Which is obviously a lie since it did work until recently.

> Every frigging time the app gets updated, or you reboot the phonre, you
> have to re-sign in to the Barclays app ... if you don't see their Eagle
> icon in the status bar, you haven't done that and payments won't work.

> Unless you've seen way too many Barclays notifications and have silenced
> them?

I'm able to log on to the app and use it for everything else - excepting
contactless payments. So does that still apply?

--
*If a thing is worth doing, wouldn't it have been done already?

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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In article <trs9f5$39kjr$1@dont-email.me>,
John Rumm <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:
> On 06/02/2023 16:01, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> > I have a Galaxy S21 Ultra. Latest software updates. Bank with Barclays and
> > have the latest version of that App software too. Which seems to work just
> > fine - can do transfers and payments, etc.
> >
> > And touch payment used to work - up until a couple of months ago. NFC is
> > on and the Barclay App selected.
> >
> > If going to touch payment setup in the App I get 'Unfortunately you can't
> > make contactless payments with this device"
> >
> > Which is obviously a lie since it did work until recently.
> >
> > I've tried Barclays online chat and phoning them. Both seemed to be manned
> > by those without an answer and say they'll pass it on for advice and a
> > solution - but never do.
> >
> > Any hints where to get an answer? I've tried an un install, deleting the
> > Barclays details, and starting over, with no success.

> IME you need to have enabled contactless payment in the app recently -
> if you leave it too many days before using it again it turns itself off.
> (you also need NFC turned on in the phone settings). You normally need
> to see the contactless icon on the status bar:

> http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/File:ContactlessIcon.png

First thing I tried. Open the app and go to card/contactless payments. Get
the setup page - and then the message I gave in my first post if I attempt
this.

--
*Any connection between your reality and mine is purely coincidental

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
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In article <mjq5uh9gt9q5ml398jabdaskvclubmpk20@4ax.com>,
Dan Green <dhg99908@hotmail.se> wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Feb 2023 16:01:52 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
> <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

> >I have a Galaxy S21 Ultra. Latest software updates. Bank with Barclays
> >and have the latest version of that App software too. Which seems to
> >work just fine - can do transfers and payments, etc.
> >
> >And touch payment used to work - up until a couple of months ago. NFC is
> >on and the Barclay App selected.
> >
> >If going to touch payment setup in the App I get 'Unfortunately you can't
> >make contactless payments with this device"
> >
> >Which is obviously a lie since it did work until recently.
> >
> >I've tried Barclays online chat and phoning them. Both seemed to be manned
> >by those without an answer and say they'll pass it on for advice and a
> >solution - but never do.
> >
> >Any hints where to get an answer? I've tried an un install, deleting the
> >Barclays details, and starting over, with no success.

> And they're in the process of bringing in a "cashless society"! God
> help us all.

Don't have any problems with the card itself. But contactless via my phone
means I don't have to have the card with me.

--
*TEAMWORK...means never having to take all the blame yourself *

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
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 by: Andy Burns - Thu, 9 Feb 2023 16:52 UTC

Dave Plowman wrote:

> Don't have any problems with the card itself. But contactless via my phone
> means I don't have to have the card with me.

Until you get complacent and try to buy petrol at night and remember the
app won't work for pay at pump

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 by: Mathew Newton - Fri, 10 Feb 2023 17:42 UTC

On Thursday, 9 February 2023 at 16:52:18 UTC, Andy Burns wrote:
> Dave Plowman wrote:
>
> > Don't have any problems with the card itself. But contactless via my phone
> > means I don't have to have the card with me.
> Until you get complacent and try to buy petrol at night and remember the
> app won't work for pay at pump

Tesco have just opened a brand new petrol station near here... Completely unmanned so pay-at-pump the only option. 'State of the art'. Doesn't even accept contactless payments...

I never take cards out with me any more; haven't done since just before the pandemic I think. Maybe I ought to hide one of the otherwise-unused cards in the car just in case.

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In article <k4kmluF4o3kU1@mid.individual.net>,
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> Dave Plowman wrote:

> > Don't have any problems with the card itself. But contactless via my
> > phone means I don't have to have the card with me.

> Until you get complacent and try to buy petrol at night and remember the
> app won't work for pay at pump

Not offered at my usual filling station. Obviously if out and about and
needing fuel, I'd have my cards with me.

--
*Avoid clich�s like the plague. (They're old hat.) *

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
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 by: Jethro_uk - Sat, 11 Feb 2023 14:19 UTC

On Fri, 10 Feb 2023 09:42:27 -0800, Mathew Newton wrote:

> On Thursday, 9 February 2023 at 16:52:18 UTC, Andy Burns wrote:
>> Dave Plowman wrote:
>>
>> > Don't have any problems with the card itself. But contactless via my
>> > phone means I don't have to have the card with me.
>> Until you get complacent and try to buy petrol at night and remember
>> the app won't work for pay at pump
>
> Tesco have just opened a brand new petrol station near here...
> Completely unmanned so pay-at-pump the only option. 'State of the art'.
> Doesn't even accept contactless payments...
>
> I never take cards out with me any more; haven't done since just before
> the pandemic I think. Maybe I ought to hide one of the otherwise-unused
> cards in the car just in case.

I've just printed a sticker with my Nectar card barcode on it. One less
card to carry. It's stuck on the inside of the crate I use for shopping.

sadly Tesco still require you to scan your clubcard before releasing a
handset, so having that on the crate is of less use.

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