On 31/01/2023 15:15, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <ba1c089f-144d-f421-47c7-fc7ce637e21e@outlook.com>,
> Robin <rbw@outlook.com> wrote:
>> On 30/01/2023 15:24, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>> In article <tr19pt$1qtn6$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> ARW <adamwadsworth@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 68 Peugeot Expert.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Main beams are fine but the headlights are just shit.
>>>
>>>> On unlit roads when a car comes the other way and just using I lose
>>>> sight of the road.
>>>
>>>> Fucking useless H4 lamps?
>>>
>>>> So swap the lamps for a different brand that claims to be better?
>>>
>>>> The 10 and 14 plate Scudos had no problem with H4 lamps.
>>>
>>>> It's the worst performance of a headlight since I owned a 1977 MK2
>>>> Escort.
>>>
>>> When all cars had H4, they were OK. Now all are LED, they're not. As
>>> your eyes adjust to the brightness of oncoming traffic.
>>>
>>> You can get LED replacement bulbs for H4. Depending on the headlight
>>> design, they might just give a decent beam pattern, and not dazzle
>>> others.
>>>
>
>> Although AIUI LED replacements for H4 are still not legal.
>
> Since so many brand new vehicles cause severe dazzle, I don't really give
> a shit for such regs. I'll make my own mind up about whether they work
> well in my car. It's hardly rocket science.
>

I suspect it is very rare for the point to be taken but I thought Adam
ought to be aware as it's a work van and the firm's insurance etc.

--
Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

On 30/01/2023 18:49, Robin wrote:
>
> If that comes as a surprise to you then count yourself lucky.  The
> distribution of deaths means the odds are we all end up knowing people
> who get nowhere near "life expectancy".
>
> And for the younger folk, bear in mind male life expectancy is around 80
> but the last 16 of those will on average be in "not good" health.

****!

Do you have a source for that? Because I might need to accelerate my
retirement travel plans... Poor health on average from age 64 seems
rather young.

Andy

In article <treljt$gcvl$6@dont-email.me>,
Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 30/01/2023 18:49, Robin wrote:
> >
> > If that comes as a surprise to you then count yourself lucky. The
> > distribution of deaths means the odds are we all end up knowing people
> > who get nowhere near "life expectancy".
> >
> > And for the younger folk, bear in mind male life expectancy is around 80
> > but the last 16 of those will on average be in "not good" health.

> ****!

> Do you have a source for that? Because I might need to accelerate my
> retirement travel plans... Poor health on average from age 64 seems
> rather young.

> Andy

I've got to 82. A minor scare last year was being told I had Diabetes 2,
but a change of diet meant that by Christmas it had gone. And, I lost 4"
round my waist - expensive on new trousers.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On 01/02/2023 21:29, Vir Campestris wrote:
> On 30/01/2023 18:49, Robin wrote:
>>
>> If that comes as a surprise to you then count yourself lucky.  The
>> distribution of deaths means the odds are we all end up knowing people
>> who get nowhere near "life expectancy".
>>
>> And for the younger folk, bear in mind male life expectancy is around
>> 80 but the last 16 of those will on average be in "not good" health.
>
> ****!
>
> Do you have a source for that? Because I might need to accelerate my
> retirement travel plans... Poor health on average from age 64 seems
> rather young.
>

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/whats-happening-life-expectancy-england

Bear in mind though that the averages mask well-known differences by,
for example, income and education. I suspect uk.d-i-y is likely above
average on those counts. OTOH I've no idea if ownership of angle
grinders correlates with earlier death or disability.

--
Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

On Wednesday, 1 February 2023 at 23:03:00 UTC, Robin wrote:
> On 01/02/2023 21:29, Vir Campestris wrote:
> > On 30/01/2023 18:49, Robin wrote:
> >>
> >> If that comes as a surprise to you then count yourself lucky. The
> >> distribution of deaths means the odds are we all end up knowing people
> >> who get nowhere near "life expectancy".
> >>
> >> And for the younger folk, bear in mind male life expectancy is around
> >> 80 but the last 16 of those will on average be in "not good" health.
> >
> > ****!
> >
> > Do you have a source for that? Because I might need to accelerate my
> > retirement travel plans... Poor health on average from age 64 seems
> > rather young.
> >
> https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/whats-happening-life-expectancy-england
>
> Bear in mind though that the averages mask well-known differences by,
> for example, income and education. I suspect uk.d-i-y is likely above
> average on those counts. OTOH I've no idea if ownership of angle
> grinders correlates with earlier death or disability.
> --
> Robin
> reply-to address is (intended to be) valid
I'd hazard a guess ownership of large circular saws has a greater effect than angle grinders. Possibly biassed towards disability?

On 1 Feb 2023 at 23:02:55 GMT, Robin wrote:

> On 01/02/2023 21:29, Vir Campestris wrote:
>> On 30/01/2023 18:49, Robin wrote:
>>>
>>> If that comes as a surprise to you then count yourself lucky. The
>>> distribution of deaths means the odds are we all end up knowing people
>>> who get nowhere near "life expectancy".
>>>
>>> And for the younger folk, bear in mind male life expectancy is around
>>> 80 but the last 16 of those will on average be in "not good" health.
>>
>> ****!
>>
>> Do you have a source for that? Because I might need to accelerate my
>> retirement travel plans... Poor health on average from age 64 seems
>> rather young.
>>
>
>
> https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/whats-happening-life-expectancy-england
>
> Bear in mind though that the averages mask well-known differences by,
> for example, income and education.

Absolutely - and the life expectancy and good health figures have taken a
marked downturn for poorer folk in the past few post-Covid years.

> I suspect uk.d-i-y is likely above
> average on those counts. OTOH I've no idea if ownership of angle
> grinders correlates with earlier death or disability.

Quite possibly! Exposure to dust as well I'd have thought - although DIY is
nothing like occupation-related exposure.
--
Cheers, Rob, Sheffield UK

On 01/02/2023 21:29, Vir Campestris wrote:
> On 30/01/2023 18:49, Robin wrote:
>>
>> If that comes as a surprise to you then count yourself lucky.  The
>> distribution of deaths means the odds are we all end up knowing people
>> who get nowhere near "life expectancy".
>>
>> And for the younger folk, bear in mind male life expectancy is around
>> 80 but the last 16 of those will on average be in "not good" health.
>
> ****!
>
> Do you have a source for that? Because I might need to accelerate my
> retirement travel plans... Poor health on average from age 64 seems
> rather young.
>
I was spot on that point. Several of my contemporaries died at that
point. Its luck of the draw and lifestyle.

Ive got no less than 9 diagnosed conditions that affect me, but none
have killed me yet.

--
There’s a mighty big difference between good, sound reasons and reasons
that sound good.

Burton Hillis (William Vaughn, American columnist)

On 01/02/2023 23:02, Robin wrote:
>
> https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/whats-happening-life-expectancy-england
>
> Bear in mind though that the averages mask well-known differences by,
> for example, income and education.  I suspect uk.d-i-y is likely above
> average on those counts.  OTOH I've no idea if ownership of angle
> grinders correlates with earlier death or disability.

Thank you for that.

At my age I can expect good health for more than half my remaining
years. Especially, perhaps, as I own neither an angle grinder nor a
circular saw!

Andy

"John J" <johnjessop46@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:80a8fb69-a187-4d12-aeca-cf222e1a8f38n@googlegroups.com...
> On Wednesday, 1 February 2023 at 23:03:00 UTC, Robin wrote:
>> Bear in mind though that the averages mask well-known differences by,
>> for example, income and education. I suspect uk.d-i-y is likely above
>> average on those counts. OTOH I've no idea if ownership of angle
>> grinders correlates with earlier death or disability.

> I'd hazard a guess ownership of large circular saws has a greater effect
> than angle grinders. Possibly biassed towards disability?

Depends whether your circular saw has one of those "tested on Frankfurter
sausages" sensors which retracts the blade if a finger (or Frankfurter!)
touches the saw teeth.

On 02/02/2023 21:04, NY wrote:
> "John J" <johnjessop46@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:80a8fb69-a187-4d12-aeca-cf222e1a8f38n@googlegroups.com...
>> On Wednesday, 1 February 2023 at 23:03:00 UTC, Robin wrote:
>>> Bear in mind though that the averages mask well-known differences by,
>>> for example, income and education. I suspect uk.d-i-y is likely above
>>> average on those counts. OTOH I've no idea if ownership of angle
>>> grinders correlates with earlier death or disability.
>
>> I'd hazard a guess ownership of large circular saws has a greater
>> effect than angle grinders. Possibly biassed towards disability?
>
> Depends whether your circular saw has one of those "tested on
> Frankfurter sausages" sensors which retracts the blade if a finger (or
> Frankfurter!)

or weiner

> touches the saw teeth.

(sorry I have watched American Pie too many times!)

In article <tr88mb$38lq5$6@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> scribeth thus
>On 29/01/2023 20:38, ARW wrote:
>> On 29/01/2023 11:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 29/01/2023 08:06, RJH wrote:
>>>> Yes, I've faffed about with that, without success. Even with the
>>>> lights 'up'
>>>> the light is still poor - and (of course) annoys oncoming traffic.
>>>
>>> If you are over 50, your eyes will start to fail to respond after
>>> being briefly dazzled.
>>
>>
>>> Old age sucks, and then you die.
>>>
>>
>> It certainly does and you will.
>>
>> Mate of mine was 60 in November, that's not old.
>>
>> On Tuesday he was at work. On Friday he was diagnosed with lung cancer
>> that has spread to his heart, liver and kidneys.
>Mate of mine 72 or thereabouts, non smoker, non drinker, never took
>drugs not overweight has a massive stroke and dies.
>
>Another phones me up and says he may need to go into hospital, then he
>phoned me up saying he only had six months to live, then he phoned me up
>and said 2 weeks, and 3 days later he died of metastasised bowel cancer.
>
>Have a friend dying of motor neurone disease, think Stephen Hawkins,
>can't eat can't talk, needs a suction pump to cough. All in under a year
>from being fine.
>
>Its really rather depressing
>
>

If your over 50 its a very good thing to have ye long silver snake up
the arse, that can catch bowel cancer it in its tracks, and cancerous
polyps they find snip and their out and threat over!

Quite painless and you can have a guided view of your guts whilst its
done only problem is clearing it out first but thats like having the
runs for around half a day and being careful of what you eat but as said
anyone of 50 or thereabouts well worth doing!...
--
Tony Sayer

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.

On Sunday, 5 February 2023 at 01:06:41 UTC, tony sayer wrote:
> In article <tr88mb$38lq5$6...@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
> <t...@invalid.invalid> scribeth thus
> >On 29/01/2023 20:38, ARW wrote:
> >> On 29/01/2023 11:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> >>> On 29/01/2023 08:06, RJH wrote:
> >>>> Yes, I've faffed about with that, without success. Even with the
> >>>> lights 'up'
> >>>> the light is still poor - and (of course) annoys oncoming traffic.
> >>>
> >>> If you are over 50, your eyes will start to fail to respond after
> >>> being briefly dazzled.
> >>
> >>
> >>> Old age sucks, and then you die.
> >>>
> >>
> >> It certainly does and you will.
> >>
> >> Mate of mine was 60 in November, that's not old.
> >>
> >> On Tuesday he was at work. On Friday he was diagnosed with lung cancer
> >> that has spread to his heart, liver and kidneys.
> >Mate of mine 72 or thereabouts, non smoker, non drinker, never took
> >drugs not overweight has a massive stroke and dies.
> >
> >Another phones me up and says he may need to go into hospital, then he
> >phoned me up saying he only had six months to live, then he phoned me up
> >and said 2 weeks, and 3 days later he died of metastasised bowel cancer.
> >
> >Have a friend dying of motor neurone disease, think Stephen Hawkins,
> >can't eat can't talk, needs a suction pump to cough. All in under a year
> >from being fine.
> >
> >Its really rather depressing
> >
> >
> If your over 50 its a very good thing to have ye long silver snake up
> the arse, that can catch bowel cancer it in its tracks, and cancerous
> polyps they find snip and their out and threat over!
>
> Quite painless and you can have a guided view of your guts whilst its
> done only problem is clearing it out first but thats like having the
> runs for around half a day and being careful of what you eat but as said
> anyone of 50 or thereabouts well worth doing!...
> --
> Tony Sayer
>
>
> Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.
>
> Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.
Ah - the joys of Moviprep! Set aside 12 hours or so and remain in close proximity to the toilet. (You may be able to leave it for very brief periods a few minutes at a time).

On 05/02/2023 01:00, tony sayer wrote:
> In article <tr88mb$38lq5$6@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
> <tnp@invalid.invalid> scribeth thus
>> On 29/01/2023 20:38, ARW wrote:
>>> On 29/01/2023 11:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 29/01/2023 08:06, RJH wrote:
>>>>> Yes, I've faffed about with that, without success. Even with the
>>>>> lights 'up'
>>>>> the light is still poor - and (of course) annoys oncoming traffic.
>>>>
>>>> If you are over 50, your eyes will start to fail to respond after
>>>> being briefly dazzled.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Old age sucks, and then you die.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It certainly does and you will.
>>>
>>> Mate of mine was 60 in November, that's not old.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday he was at work. On Friday he was diagnosed with lung cancer
>>> that has spread to his heart, liver and kidneys.
>> Mate of mine 72 or thereabouts, non smoker, non drinker, never took
>> drugs not overweight has a massive stroke and dies.
>>
>> Another phones me up and says he may need to go into hospital, then he
>> phoned me up saying he only had six months to live, then he phoned me up
>> and said 2 weeks, and 3 days later he died of metastasised bowel cancer.
>>
>> Have a friend dying of motor neurone disease, think Stephen Hawkins,
>> can't eat can't talk, needs a suction pump to cough. All in under a year
>>from being fine.
>>
>> Its really rather depressing
>>
>>
>
> If your over 50 its a very good thing to have ye long silver snake up
> the arse, that can catch bowel cancer it in its tracks, and cancerous
> polyps they find snip and their out and threat over!
>
> Quite painless and you can have a guided view of your guts whilst its
> done only problem is clearing it out first but thats like having the
> runs for around half a day and being careful of what you eat but as said
> anyone of 50 or thereabouts well worth doing!...

Too much detail over my early morning coffee.

--
“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit
atrocities.”

― Voltaire, Questions sur les Miracles à M. Claparede, Professeur de
Théologie à Genève, par un Proposant: Ou Extrait de Diverses Lettres de
M. de Voltaire

On 05/02/2023 01:00, tony sayer wrote:
> In article <tr88mb$38lq5$6@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
> <tnp@invalid.invalid> scribeth thus
>> On 29/01/2023 20:38, ARW wrote:
>>> On 29/01/2023 11:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 29/01/2023 08:06, RJH wrote:
>>>>> Yes, I've faffed about with that, without success. Even with the
>>>>> lights 'up'
>>>>> the light is still poor - and (of course) annoys oncoming traffic.
>>>>
>>>> If you are over 50, your eyes will start to fail to respond after
>>>> being briefly dazzled.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Old age sucks, and then you die.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It certainly does and you will.
>>>
>>> Mate of mine was 60 in November, that's not old.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday he was at work. On Friday he was diagnosed with lung cancer
>>> that has spread to his heart, liver and kidneys.
>> Mate of mine 72 or thereabouts, non smoker, non drinker, never took
>> drugs not overweight has a massive stroke and dies.
>>
>> Another phones me up and says he may need to go into hospital, then he
>> phoned me up saying he only had six months to live, then he phoned me up
>> and said 2 weeks, and 3 days later he died of metastasised bowel cancer.
>>
>> Have a friend dying of motor neurone disease, think Stephen Hawkins,
>> can't eat can't talk, needs a suction pump to cough. All in under a year
>>from being fine.
>>
>> Its really rather depressing
>>
>>
>
> If your over 50 its a very good thing to have ye long silver snake up
> the arse, that can catch bowel cancer it in its tracks, and cancerous
> polyps they find snip and their out and threat over!
>
> Quite painless and you can have a guided view of your guts whilst its
> done only problem is clearing it out first but thats like having the
> runs for around half a day and being careful of what you eat but as said
> anyone of 50 or thereabouts well worth doing!...

The endoscopy isn't necessary unless there is a reason to do it. The
usual reason is blood detection on screening. Within a couple of years
screening will be universal for those aged 50 - 74. It's been lowered
from 60 - 74.
<https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/bowel-cancer-screening/>

--

Jeff

On Sun, 05 Feb 2023 10:06:10 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote:
> The endoscopy isn't necessary unless there is a reason to do it. The
> usual reason is blood detection on screening. Within a couple of years
> screening will be universal for those aged 50 - 74. It's been lowered
> from 60 - 74.
> <https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/bowel-cancer-screening/>

and the new kit is much easier to use than the earlier ones.

On 05/02/2023 01:00, tony sayer wrote:

> If your over 50 its a very good thing to have ye long silver snake up
> the arse, that can catch bowel cancer it in its tracks, and cancerous
> polyps they find snip and their out and threat over!
>
> Quite painless and you can have a guided view of your guts whilst its
> done only problem is clearing it out first but thats like having the
> runs for around half a day and being careful of what you eat but as said
> anyone of 50 or thereabouts well worth doing!...

Does it have a better light on it than a Peugeot van?

>>>
>>>
>>
>> If your over 50 its a very good thing to have ye long silver snake up
>> the arse, that can catch bowel cancer it in its tracks, and cancerous
>> polyps they find snip and their out and threat over!
>>
>> Quite painless and you can have a guided view of your guts whilst its
>> done only problem is clearing it out first but thats like having the
>> runs for around half a day and being careful of what you eat but as said
>> anyone of 50 or thereabouts well worth doing!...
>
>The endoscopy isn't necessary unless there is a reason to do it. The
>usual reason is blood detection on screening. Within a couple of years
>screening will be universal for those aged 50 - 74. It's been lowered
>from 60 - 74.
><https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/bowel-cancer-screening/>
>

Tell you what my gastroentrolgist wouldn't agree with most of the NHS
guidelines in that!...

Good site here in the USofA goes into it a bit more!...

https://www.gihealth.com/
--
Tony Sayer

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.

In article <trosvr$2ktjb$1@dont-email.me>, ARW <adamwadsworth@blueyonder
..co.uk> scribeth thus
>On 05/02/2023 01:00, tony sayer wrote:
>
>> If your over 50 its a very good thing to have ye long silver snake up
>> the arse, that can catch bowel cancer it in its tracks, and cancerous
>> polyps they find snip and their out and threat over!
>>
>> Quite painless and you can have a guided view of your guts whilst its
>> done only problem is clearing it out first but thats like having the
>> runs for around half a day and being careful of what you eat but as said
>> anyone of 50 or thereabouts well worth doing!...
>
>Does it have a better light on it than a Peugeot van?

Bet its more expensive!, medical kit is!..
--
Tony Sayer

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.

In article <pwfCL.565326$vBI8.36486@fx15.iad>,
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
> >> Although AIUI LED replacements for H4 are still not legal.
> >
> > Since so many brand new vehicles cause severe dazzle, I don't really give
> > a shit for such regs. >
> I'll make my own mind up about whether they work
> > well in my car. It's hardly rocket science.
> >
> Rockets have little impact on the everyday road user (unless you live in
> Ukraine).

> Should we all get to pick and choose which rules, laws, and regulations
> we want to observe? Good question.

When new car makers are allowed to break regs others are meant to follow -
like dazzle, and fiddling emissions laws, yes.
Same as the stupid laws on DIY home electrics etc.

--
*We never really grow�up, we only learn how to act in public.

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
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In article <trosvr$2ktjb$1@dont-email.me>,
ARW <adamwadsworth@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> On 05/02/2023 01:00, tony sayer wrote:

> > If your over 50 its a very good thing to have ye long silver snake up
> > the arse, that can catch bowel cancer it in its tracks, and cancerous
> > polyps they find snip and their out and threat over!
> >
> > Quite painless and you can have a guided view of your guts whilst its
> > done only problem is clearing it out first but thats like having the
> > runs for around half a day and being careful of what you eat but as said
> > anyone of 50 or thereabouts well worth doing!...

> Does it have a better light on it than a Peugeot van?

You need a cystoscope. They change the colour of the light on that.
Watching the monitor is like being in a early Dr Who disco.

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Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
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