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* Re: For British Farmers, the Effects of Brexit Have Become ClearerRod Speed
`* Re: For British Farmers, the Effects of Brexit Have Become ClearerPomegranate Bastard
 +- Re: For British Farmers, the Effects of Brexit Have Become ClearerJethro_uk
 `* Re: For British Farmers, the Effects of Brexit Have Become ClearerRod Speed
  `* Re: For British Farmers, the Effects of Brexit Have Become ClearerPomegranate Bastard
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   |`* Re: For British Farmers, the Effects of Brexit Have Become ClearerPomegranate Bastard
   | `* Re: For British Farmers, the Effects of Brexit Have Become ClearerTim Streater
   |  +* Re: For British Farmers, the Effects of Brexit Have Become ClearerPomegranate Bastard
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   |  | `- Re: For British Farmers, the Effects of Brexit Have Become ClearerPomegranate Bastard
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   +* Re: For British Farmers, the Effects of Brexit Have Become ClearerThe Natural Philosopher
   |`* Re: For British Farmers, the Effects of Brexit Have Become ClearerPomegranate Bastard
   | `- Re: For British Farmers, the Effects of Brexit Have Become ClearerVir Campestris
   `* Re: For British Farmers, the Effects of Brexit Have Become ClearerRod Speed
    `* Re: For British Farmers, the Effects of Brexit Have Become ClearerPomegranate Bastard
     `* Re: For British Farmers, the Effects of Brexit Have Become ClearerRod Speed
      `* Re: For British Farmers, the Effects of Brexit Have Become ClearerPomegranate Bastard
       +- Re: For British Farmers, the Effects of Brexit Have Become ClearerTim Streater
       `* Re: For British Farmers, the Effects of Brexit Have Become ClearerRod Speed
        `* Re: For British Farmers, the Effects of Brexit Have Become ClearerPomegranate Bastard
         `* Re: For British Farmers, the Effects of Brexit Have Become ClearerRod Speed
          `* Re: For British Farmers, the Effects of Brexit Have Become ClearerPomegranate Bastard
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            `* Re: For British Farmers, the Effects of Brexit Have Become ClearerPomegranate Bastard
             `* Re: For British Farmers, the Effects of Brexit Have Become ClearerRod Speed
              `* Re: For British Farmers, the Effects of Brexit Have Become ClearerPomegranate Bastard
               `* Re: For British Farmers, the Effects of Brexit Have Become ClearerRod Speed
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 by: Pomegranate Bastard - Fri, 3 Feb 2023 15:42 UTC

On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 06:56:52 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 06:31:56 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard <pommyB@aol.com>
>wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 04:33:31 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 22:49:24 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard
>>> <pommyB@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 06:10:49 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 03:59:42 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard
>>>>> <pommyB@aol.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 04:32:48 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 22:43:48 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard
>>>>>>> <pommyB@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 04:48:28 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Pomegranate Bastard <pommyB@aol.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> David P <imbibe@mindspring.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> For British Farmers, the Effects of Brexit Have Become Clearer
>>>>>>>>>>>> By Stephen Castle, Jan. 23, 2023, NY Times
>>>>>>>>>>>> BOSTON, England — For four decades, the prime agricultural land
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sarah Pettitt’s family rented near its home produced bumper
>>>>>>>>>>>> crops
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> vegetables, including purple sprouting broccoli destined for
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> shelves
>>>>>>>>>>>> of upscale British supermarkets. But when post-Brexit migration
>>>>>>>>>>>> rules
>>>>>>>>>>>> kicked in, curbing recruitment from Eastern Europe, a vital
>>>>>>>>>>>> stream
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> workers dried up in this area close to Britain’s eastern
>>>>>>>>>>>> coastline.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ms. Pettitt said she had little choice but to cut production
>>>>>>>>>>>> by a
>>>>>>>>>>>> fifth.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hardly the end of civilisation as we know it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And regardless, a majority of those who bothered to vote, voted
>>>>>>>>>>> to leave. You stupid remoaners get to like that or lump it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> “If you can’t get people to come and harvest it, you’re not
>>>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> take your pound notes out of your back pocket and chuck them in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> fire,” she said as gray clouds hung over the 100-acre expanse
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> flat,
>>>>>>>>>>>> fertile land that her family routinely rented from a local
>>>>>>>>>>>> farmer
>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>> has now given up.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just one individual, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Two years after Britain left the EU’s economic area, ending the
>>>>>>>>>>>> ability
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the bloc’s citizens to automatically work in Britain, the
>>>>>>>>>>>> effects
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> Brexit are unfolding across the economy. One of the clearest
>>>>>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>>>>>> shortfall of around 330,000 workers, mostly in less-skilled
>>>>>>>>>>>> jobs,
>>>>>>>>>>>> including transportation, retail and hospitality, according to
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Center for European Reform and U.K. in a Changing Europe, two
>>>>>>>>>>>> research
>>>>>>>>>>>> institutes.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless, a majority of those who bothered to vote, voted
>>>>>>>>>>> to leave. You stupid remoaners get to like that or lump it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Or, to put it another way, you could have said:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You stupid gullible pommy bastards swallowed hook line and bloody
>>>>>>>>>> sinker the guff spouted by a gaggle of transparent con-artists
>>>>>>>>>> led
>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>> congenital liar Johnson and the nasty little xenophobic weasel
>>>>>>>>>> Farage.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Or the majority who bothered to vote never did want
>>>>>>>>> a collection of unelected shiny bums in the EU being
>>>>>>>>> able to tell them how things must be done in all sorts
>>>>>>>>> of areas like power generation etc and prefer to have
>>>>>>>>> a system where they can give the bums who try to do
>>>>>>>>> that the bums rush at the next general election, like
>>>>>>>>> they did with Blair and Brown when they got pissed
>>>>>>>>> off enough to do that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On a simplistic level that may have been an attractive proposition,
>>>>>>>> but it was then and still is utter bullshit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bullshit with getting rid of coal fired power generation
>>>>>>> and the ban on govt subsidys for nukes etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You have to weigh up the
>>>>>>>> consequences of "taking back control" without considering who you
>>>>>>>> give that control to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The difference is that what the govt can be given the
>>>>>>> bums rush at the general election when they fuck up
>>>>>>> badly enough as was seen with Blair and Brown.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not even possible with the unelected shiny bums
>>>>>>> that decide policy in the EU,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In our case giving control to a bunch of inept,
>>>>>>>> one-trick-pony Nasty Party politicians has inevitably resulted in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> ballsup we have today.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nope, that is due to Putin.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now you're all going to have to live with the dire consequences
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There are no dire consequences, JUST some downsides just
>>>>>>>>> like there always are with any significant policy changes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BULLSHIT!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tell that to the poor sods whose mortgage payments have become
>>>>>>>> unaffordable because of Thick Lizzy's fuck up.
>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/yx4drxjx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Corse nothing like that has happened in the EU eh ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And everyone else suffering the cost of living crisis.
>>>>>>>> https://uk.yahoo.com/topics/cost-of-living-crisis/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no crisis. JUST the sort of result
>>>>>>> that is inevitable with any decent war.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The pension funds were within hours of going bust.
>>>>>>>> https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/06/bank-of-england-says-pension-funds-were-hours-from-disaster-before-it-intervened.html
>>>>>
>>>>>>> BULLSHIT. And even if it was true, with a UK PM,
>>>>>>> they can be and were given the bums rush very
>>>>>>> quickly indeed. Not even possible when an unelected
>>>>>>> EU shiny bum fucks up that spectacularly.
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's a historical fact,
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/3p6upnna
>>>>>> "Bank of England staff worked through the night to design a package
>>>>>> that would prevent the collapse of a slew of LDIs, widely held by
>>>>>> pension plans, the following morning."
>>>>>
>>>>> Just because some fool yank journo claims something...
>>>>
>>>> Do you have to try to be an utter imbecile or does it come naturally?
>>>
>>> Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there, child.
>>
>> No argument necessary, it's a simple fact.
>
>Bullshit.
>
>> The Bank of England had to
>> bail out the pension funds to the tune of £65,000,000,000 because of
>> Thick Lizzy's ballsup. https://tinyurl.com/3anzhstn
>
>Fantasy.


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 by: Rod Speed - Fri, 3 Feb 2023 17:30 UTC

On Sat, 04 Feb 2023 02:42:59 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard <pommyB@aol.com>
wrote:

> On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 06:56:52 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 06:31:56 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard <pommyB@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 04:33:31 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 22:49:24 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard
>>>> <pommyB@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 06:10:49 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 03:59:42 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard
>>>>>> <pommyB@aol.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 04:32:48 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 22:43:48 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard
>>>>>>>> <pommyB@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 04:48:28 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Pomegranate Bastard <pommyB@aol.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> David P <imbibe@mindspring.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For British Farmers, the Effects of Brexit Have Become
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clearer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> By Stephen Castle, Jan. 23, 2023, NY Times
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BOSTON, England — For four decades, the prime agricultural
>>>>>>>>>>>>> land
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sarah Pettitt’s family rented near its home produced bumper
>>>>>>>>>>>>> crops
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> vegetables, including purple sprouting broccoli destined for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shelves
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of upscale British supermarkets. But when post-Brexit
>>>>>>>>>>>>> migration
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rules
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kicked in, curbing recruitment from Eastern Europe, a vital
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stream
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> workers dried up in this area close to Britain’s eastern
>>>>>>>>>>>>> coastline.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ms. Pettitt said she had little choice but to cut production
>>>>>>>>>>>>> by a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fifth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hardly the end of civilisation as we know it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And regardless, a majority of those who bothered to vote,
>>>>>>>>>>>> voted
>>>>>>>>>>>> to leave. You stupid remoaners get to like that or lump it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> “If you can’t get people to come and harvest it, you’re not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> take your pound notes out of your back pocket and chuck them
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fire,” she said as gray clouds hung over the 100-acre expanse
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> flat,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fertile land that her family routinely rented from a local
>>>>>>>>>>>>> farmer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> has now given up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just one individual, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Two years after Britain left the EU’s economic area, ending
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ability
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the bloc’s citizens to automatically work in Britain, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> effects
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brexit are unfolding across the economy. One of the clearest
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shortfall of around 330,000 workers, mostly in less-skilled
>>>>>>>>>>>>> jobs,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> including transportation, retail and hospitality, according
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Center for European Reform and U.K. in a Changing Europe, two
>>>>>>>>>>>>> research
>>>>>>>>>>>>> institutes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless, a majority of those who bothered to vote, voted
>>>>>>>>>>>> to leave. You stupid remoaners get to like that or lump it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Or, to put it another way, you could have said:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You stupid gullible pommy bastards swallowed hook line and
>>>>>>>>>>> bloody
>>>>>>>>>>> sinker the guff spouted by a gaggle of transparent con-artists
>>>>>>>>>>> led
>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>> congenital liar Johnson and the nasty little xenophobic weasel
>>>>>>>>>>> Farage.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Or the majority who bothered to vote never did want
>>>>>>>>>> a collection of unelected shiny bums in the EU being
>>>>>>>>>> able to tell them how things must be done in all sorts
>>>>>>>>>> of areas like power generation etc and prefer to have
>>>>>>>>>> a system where they can give the bums who try to do
>>>>>>>>>> that the bums rush at the next general election, like
>>>>>>>>>> they did with Blair and Brown when they got pissed
>>>>>>>>>> off enough to do that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On a simplistic level that may have been an attractive
>>>>>>>>> proposition,
>>>>>>>>> but it was then and still is utter bullshit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bullshit with getting rid of coal fired power generation
>>>>>>>> and the ban on govt subsidys for nukes etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You have to weigh up the
>>>>>>>>> consequences of "taking back control" without considering who
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> give that control to.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The difference is that what the govt can be given the
>>>>>>>> bums rush at the general election when they fuck up
>>>>>>>> badly enough as was seen with Blair and Brown.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not even possible with the unelected shiny bums
>>>>>>>> that decide policy in the EU,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In our case giving control to a bunch of inept,
>>>>>>>>> one-trick-pony Nasty Party politicians has inevitably resulted in
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> ballsup we have today.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nope, that is due to Putin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Now you're all going to have to live with the dire consequences
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There are no dire consequences, JUST some downsides just
>>>>>>>>>> like there always are with any significant policy changes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BULLSHIT!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tell that to the poor sods whose mortgage payments have become
>>>>>>>>> unaffordable because of Thick Lizzy's fuck up.
>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/yx4drxjx
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Corse nothing like that has happened in the EU eh ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And everyone else suffering the cost of living crisis.
>>>>>>>>> https://uk.yahoo.com/topics/cost-of-living-crisis/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is no crisis. JUST the sort of result
>>>>>>>> that is inevitable with any decent war.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The pension funds were within hours of going bust.
>>>>>>>>> https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/06/bank-of-england-says-pension-funds-were-hours-from-disaster-before-it-intervened.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BULLSHIT. And even if it was true, with a UK PM,
>>>>>>>> they can be and were given the bums rush very
>>>>>>>> quickly indeed. Not even possible when an unelected
>>>>>>>> EU shiny bum fucks up that spectacularly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's a historical fact,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/3p6upnna
>>>>>>> "Bank of England staff worked through the night to design a package
>>>>>>> that would prevent the collapse of a slew of LDIs, widely held by
>>>>>>> pension plans, the following morning."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just because some fool yank journo claims something...
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you have to try to be an utter imbecile or does it come naturally?
>>>>
>>>> Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there, child.
>>>
>>> No argument necessary, it's a simple fact.
>>
>> Bullshit.
>>
>>> The Bank of England had to
>>> bail out the pension funds to the tune of £65,000,000,000 because of
>>> Thick Lizzy's ballsup. https://tinyurl.com/3anzhstn
>>
>> Fantasy.
>
> Here's yet another link for you dismiss as bullsihit or fantasy.
> https://tinyurl.com/435mucsn


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 by: Pomegranate Bastard - Sat, 4 Feb 2023 13:27 UTC

On Sat, 04 Feb 2023 04:30:17 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 04 Feb 2023 02:42:59 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard <pommyB@aol.com>
>wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 06:56:52 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 06:31:56 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard <pommyB@aol.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 04:33:31 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 22:49:24 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard
>>>>> <pommyB@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 06:10:49 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 03:59:42 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard
>>>>>>> <pommyB@aol.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 04:32:48 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 22:43:48 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard
>>>>>>>>> <pommyB@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 04:48:28 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Pomegranate Bastard <pommyB@aol.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> David P <imbibe@mindspring.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For British Farmers, the Effects of Brexit Have Become
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clearer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By Stephen Castle, Jan. 23, 2023, NY Times
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BOSTON, England — For four decades, the prime agricultural
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> land
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sarah Pettitt’s family rented near its home produced bumper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crops
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vegetables, including purple sprouting broccoli destined for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shelves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of upscale British supermarkets. But when post-Brexit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> migration
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rules
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kicked in, curbing recruitment from Eastern Europe, a vital
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stream
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> workers dried up in this area close to Britain’s eastern
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coastline.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ms. Pettitt said she had little choice but to cut production
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fifth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hardly the end of civilisation as we know it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And regardless, a majority of those who bothered to vote,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> voted
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to leave. You stupid remoaners get to like that or lump it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “If you can’t get people to come and harvest it, you’re not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> take your pound notes out of your back pocket and chuck them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fire,” she said as gray clouds hung over the 100-acre expanse
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flat,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fertile land that her family routinely rented from a local
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> farmer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has now given up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just one individual, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Two years after Britain left the EU’s economic area, ending
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ability
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the bloc’s citizens to automatically work in Britain, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brexit are unfolding across the economy. One of the clearest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shortfall of around 330,000 workers, mostly in less-skilled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jobs,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> including transportation, retail and hospitality, according
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Center for European Reform and U.K. in a Changing Europe, two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> research
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> institutes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless, a majority of those who bothered to vote, voted
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to leave. You stupid remoaners get to like that or lump it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Or, to put it another way, you could have said:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You stupid gullible pommy bastards swallowed hook line and
>>>>>>>>>>>> bloody
>>>>>>>>>>>> sinker the guff spouted by a gaggle of transparent con-artists
>>>>>>>>>>>> led
>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>> congenital liar Johnson and the nasty little xenophobic weasel
>>>>>>>>>>>> Farage.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Or the majority who bothered to vote never did want
>>>>>>>>>>> a collection of unelected shiny bums in the EU being
>>>>>>>>>>> able to tell them how things must be done in all sorts
>>>>>>>>>>> of areas like power generation etc and prefer to have
>>>>>>>>>>> a system where they can give the bums who try to do
>>>>>>>>>>> that the bums rush at the next general election, like
>>>>>>>>>>> they did with Blair and Brown when they got pissed
>>>>>>>>>>> off enough to do that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On a simplistic level that may have been an attractive
>>>>>>>>>> proposition,
>>>>>>>>>> but it was then and still is utter bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bullshit with getting rid of coal fired power generation
>>>>>>>>> and the ban on govt subsidys for nukes etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You have to weigh up the
>>>>>>>>>> consequences of "taking back control" without considering who
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> give that control to.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The difference is that what the govt can be given the
>>>>>>>>> bums rush at the general election when they fuck up
>>>>>>>>> badly enough as was seen with Blair and Brown.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not even possible with the unelected shiny bums
>>>>>>>>> that decide policy in the EU,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In our case giving control to a bunch of inept,
>>>>>>>>>> one-trick-pony Nasty Party politicians has inevitably resulted in
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> ballsup we have today.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nope, that is due to Putin.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now you're all going to have to live with the dire consequences
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There are no dire consequences, JUST some downsides just
>>>>>>>>>>> like there always are with any significant policy changes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> BULLSHIT!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tell that to the poor sods whose mortgage payments have become
>>>>>>>>>> unaffordable because of Thick Lizzy's fuck up.
>>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/yx4drxjx
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Corse nothing like that has happened in the EU eh ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And everyone else suffering the cost of living crisis.
>>>>>>>>>> https://uk.yahoo.com/topics/cost-of-living-crisis/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is no crisis. JUST the sort of result
>>>>>>>>> that is inevitable with any decent war.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The pension funds were within hours of going bust.
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/06/bank-of-england-says-pension-funds-were-hours-from-disaster-before-it-intervened.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BULLSHIT. And even if it was true, with a UK PM,
>>>>>>>>> they can be and were given the bums rush very
>>>>>>>>> quickly indeed. Not even possible when an unelected
>>>>>>>>> EU shiny bum fucks up that spectacularly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's a historical fact,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/3p6upnna
>>>>>>>> "Bank of England staff worked through the night to design a package
>>>>>>>> that would prevent the collapse of a slew of LDIs, widely held by
>>>>>>>> pension plans, the following morning."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just because some fool yank journo claims something...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you have to try to be an utter imbecile or does it come naturally?
>>>>>
>>>>> Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there, child.
>>>>
>>>> No argument necessary, it's a simple fact.
>>>
>>> Bullshit.
>>>
>>>> The Bank of England had to
>>>> bail out the pension funds to the tune of £65,000,000,000 because of
>>>> Thick Lizzy's ballsup. https://tinyurl.com/3anzhstn
>>>
>>> Fantasy.
>>
>> Here's yet another link for you dismiss as bullsihit or fantasy.
>> https://tinyurl.com/435mucsn
>
>Just because some fool journo claims something...


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 by: Rod Speed - Sat, 4 Feb 2023 18:04 UTC

On Sun, 05 Feb 2023 00:27:05 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard <pommyB@aol.com>
wrote:

> On Sat, 04 Feb 2023 04:30:17 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 04 Feb 2023 02:42:59 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard <pommyB@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 06:56:52 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 06:31:56 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard
>>>> <pommyB@aol.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 04:33:31 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 22:49:24 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard
>>>>>> <pommyB@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 06:10:49 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 03:59:42 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard
>>>>>>>> <pommyB@aol.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 04:32:48 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 22:43:48 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard
>>>>>>>>>> <pommyB@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 04:48:28 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Pomegranate Bastard <pommyB@aol.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David P <imbibe@mindspring.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For British Farmers, the Effects of Brexit Have Become
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clearer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By Stephen Castle, Jan. 23, 2023, NY Times
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BOSTON, England — For four decades, the prime agricultural
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> land
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sarah Pettitt’s family rented near its home produced bumper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crops
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vegetables, including purple sprouting broccoli destined
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shelves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of upscale British supermarkets. But when post-Brexit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> migration
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rules
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kicked in, curbing recruitment from Eastern Europe, a vital
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stream
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> workers dried up in this area close to Britain’s eastern
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coastline.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ms. Pettitt said she had little choice but to cut
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> production
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fifth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hardly the end of civilisation as we know it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And regardless, a majority of those who bothered to vote,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to leave. You stupid remoaners get to like that or lump it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “If you can’t get people to come and harvest it, you’re not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> take your pound notes out of your back pocket and chuck
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fire,” she said as gray clouds hung over the 100-acre
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expanse
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flat,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fertile land that her family routinely rented from a local
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> farmer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has now given up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just one individual, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Two years after Britain left the EU’s economic area, ending
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ability
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the bloc’s citizens to automatically work in Britain,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brexit are unfolding across the economy. One of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clearest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shortfall of around 330,000 workers, mostly in less-skilled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jobs,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> including transportation, retail and hospitality, according
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Center for European Reform and U.K. in a Changing Europe,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> research
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> institutes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless, a majority of those who bothered to vote, voted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to leave. You stupid remoaners get to like that or lump it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or, to put it another way, you could have said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You stupid gullible pommy bastards swallowed hook line and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bloody
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sinker the guff spouted by a gaggle of transparent
>>>>>>>>>>>>> con-artists
>>>>>>>>>>>>> led
>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> congenital liar Johnson and the nasty little xenophobic
>>>>>>>>>>>>> weasel
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farage.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Or the majority who bothered to vote never did want
>>>>>>>>>>>> a collection of unelected shiny bums in the EU being
>>>>>>>>>>>> able to tell them how things must be done in all sorts
>>>>>>>>>>>> of areas like power generation etc and prefer to have
>>>>>>>>>>>> a system where they can give the bums who try to do
>>>>>>>>>>>> that the bums rush at the next general election, like
>>>>>>>>>>>> they did with Blair and Brown when they got pissed
>>>>>>>>>>>> off enough to do that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On a simplistic level that may have been an attractive
>>>>>>>>>>> proposition,
>>>>>>>>>>> but it was then and still is utter bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit with getting rid of coal fired power generation
>>>>>>>>>> and the ban on govt subsidys for nukes etc.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You have to weigh up the
>>>>>>>>>>> consequences of "taking back control" without considering who
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> give that control to.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The difference is that what the govt can be given the
>>>>>>>>>> bums rush at the general election when they fuck up
>>>>>>>>>> badly enough as was seen with Blair and Brown.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not even possible with the unelected shiny bums
>>>>>>>>>> that decide policy in the EU,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In our case giving control to a bunch of inept,
>>>>>>>>>>> one-trick-pony Nasty Party politicians has inevitably resulted
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> ballsup we have today.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nope, that is due to Putin.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now you're all going to have to live with the dire
>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequences
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There are no dire consequences, JUST some downsides just
>>>>>>>>>>>> like there always are with any significant policy changes.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> BULLSHIT!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Tell that to the poor sods whose mortgage payments have become
>>>>>>>>>>> unaffordable because of Thick Lizzy's fuck up.
>>>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/yx4drxjx
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Corse nothing like that has happened in the EU eh ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And everyone else suffering the cost of living crisis.
>>>>>>>>>>> https://uk.yahoo.com/topics/cost-of-living-crisis/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There is no crisis. JUST the sort of result
>>>>>>>>>> that is inevitable with any decent war.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The pension funds were within hours of going bust.
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/06/bank-of-england-says-pension-funds-were-hours-from-disaster-before-it-intervened.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> BULLSHIT. And even if it was true, with a UK PM,
>>>>>>>>>> they can be and were given the bums rush very
>>>>>>>>>> quickly indeed. Not even possible when an unelected
>>>>>>>>>> EU shiny bum fucks up that spectacularly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's a historical fact,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/3p6upnna
>>>>>>>>> "Bank of England staff worked through the night to design a
>>>>>>>>> package
>>>>>>>>> that would prevent the collapse of a slew of LDIs, widely held by
>>>>>>>>> pension plans, the following morning."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just because some fool yank journo claims something...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you have to try to be an utter imbecile or does it come
>>>>>>> naturally?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there, child.
>>>>>
>>>>> No argument necessary, it's a simple fact.
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>
>>>>> The Bank of England had to
>>>>> bail out the pension funds to the tune of £65,000,000,000 because of
>>>>> Thick Lizzy's ballsup. https://tinyurl.com/3anzhstn
>>>>
>>>> Fantasy.
>>>
>>> Here's yet another link for you dismiss as bullsihit or fantasy.
>>> https://tinyurl.com/435mucsn
>>
>> Just because some fool journo claims something...
>
> Just one last try.
>
> Do you accept that the Bank of England had to protect the pension
> funds with a £65,000,000,000 bailout?


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 by: Pomegranate Bastard - Sun, 5 Feb 2023 10:08 UTC

On Sun, 05 Feb 2023 05:04:33 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 05 Feb 2023 00:27:05 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard <pommyB@aol.com>
>wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 04 Feb 2023 04:30:17 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 04 Feb 2023 02:42:59 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard <pommyB@aol.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 06:56:52 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 06:31:56 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard
>>>>> <pommyB@aol.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 04:33:31 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 22:49:24 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard
>>>>>>> <pommyB@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 06:10:49 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 03:59:42 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard
>>>>>>>>> <pommyB@aol.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 04:32:48 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 22:43:48 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard
>>>>>>>>>>> <pommyB@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 04:48:28 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pomegranate Bastard <pommyB@aol.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David P <imbibe@mindspring.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For British Farmers, the Effects of Brexit Have Become
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clearer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By Stephen Castle, Jan. 23, 2023, NY Times
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BOSTON, England — For four decades, the prime agricultural
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> land
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sarah Pettitt’s family rented near its home produced bumper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crops
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vegetables, including purple sprouting broccoli destined
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shelves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of upscale British supermarkets. But when post-Brexit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> migration
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rules
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kicked in, curbing recruitment from Eastern Europe, a vital
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stream
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> workers dried up in this area close to Britain’s eastern
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coastline.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ms. Pettitt said she had little choice but to cut
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> production
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fifth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hardly the end of civilisation as we know it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And regardless, a majority of those who bothered to vote,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to leave. You stupid remoaners get to like that or lump it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “If you can’t get people to come and harvest it, you’re not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> take your pound notes out of your back pocket and chuck
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fire,” she said as gray clouds hung over the 100-acre
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expanse
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flat,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fertile land that her family routinely rented from a local
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> farmer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has now given up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just one individual, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Two years after Britain left the EU’s economic area, ending
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ability
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the bloc’s citizens to automatically work in Britain,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brexit are unfolding across the economy. One of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clearest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shortfall of around 330,000 workers, mostly in less-skilled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jobs,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> including transportation, retail and hospitality, according
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Center for European Reform and U.K. in a Changing Europe,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> research
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> institutes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless, a majority of those who bothered to vote, voted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to leave. You stupid remoaners get to like that or lump it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or, to put it another way, you could have said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You stupid gullible pommy bastards swallowed hook line and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bloody
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sinker the guff spouted by a gaggle of transparent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> con-artists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> led
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> congenital liar Johnson and the nasty little xenophobic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weasel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farage.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or the majority who bothered to vote never did want
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a collection of unelected shiny bums in the EU being
>>>>>>>>>>>>> able to tell them how things must be done in all sorts
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of areas like power generation etc and prefer to have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a system where they can give the bums who try to do
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the bums rush at the next general election, like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they did with Blair and Brown when they got pissed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> off enough to do that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On a simplistic level that may have been an attractive
>>>>>>>>>>>> proposition,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but it was then and still is utter bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit with getting rid of coal fired power generation
>>>>>>>>>>> and the ban on govt subsidys for nukes etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You have to weigh up the
>>>>>>>>>>>> consequences of "taking back control" without considering who
>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>> give that control to.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The difference is that what the govt can be given the
>>>>>>>>>>> bums rush at the general election when they fuck up
>>>>>>>>>>> badly enough as was seen with Blair and Brown.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not even possible with the unelected shiny bums
>>>>>>>>>>> that decide policy in the EU,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In our case giving control to a bunch of inept,
>>>>>>>>>>>> one-trick-pony Nasty Party politicians has inevitably resulted
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> ballsup we have today.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nope, that is due to Putin.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now you're all going to have to live with the dire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequences
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are no dire consequences, JUST some downsides just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> like there always are with any significant policy changes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> BULLSHIT!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tell that to the poor sods whose mortgage payments have become
>>>>>>>>>>>> unaffordable because of Thick Lizzy's fuck up.
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/yx4drxjx
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Corse nothing like that has happened in the EU eh ?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And everyone else suffering the cost of living crisis.
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://uk.yahoo.com/topics/cost-of-living-crisis/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There is no crisis. JUST the sort of result
>>>>>>>>>>> that is inevitable with any decent war.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The pension funds were within hours of going bust.
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/06/bank-of-england-says-pension-funds-were-hours-from-disaster-before-it-intervened.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> BULLSHIT. And even if it was true, with a UK PM,
>>>>>>>>>>> they can be and were given the bums rush very
>>>>>>>>>>> quickly indeed. Not even possible when an unelected
>>>>>>>>>>> EU shiny bum fucks up that spectacularly.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's a historical fact,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/3p6upnna
>>>>>>>>>> "Bank of England staff worked through the night to design a
>>>>>>>>>> package
>>>>>>>>>> that would prevent the collapse of a slew of LDIs, widely held by
>>>>>>>>>> pension plans, the following morning."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just because some fool yank journo claims something...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you have to try to be an utter imbecile or does it come
>>>>>>>> naturally?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there, child.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No argument necessary, it's a simple fact.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The Bank of England had to
>>>>>> bail out the pension funds to the tune of £65,000,000,000 because of
>>>>>> Thick Lizzy's ballsup. https://tinyurl.com/3anzhstn
>>>>>
>>>>> Fantasy.
>>>>
>>>> Here's yet another link for you dismiss as bullsihit or fantasy.
>>>> https://tinyurl.com/435mucsn
>>>
>>> Just because some fool journo claims something...
>>
>> Just one last try.
>>
>> Do you accept that the Bank of England had to protect the pension
>> funds with a £65,000,000,000 bailout?
>
>Irrelevant to your mindless shit about brexit and the problem
>was fixed very quickly indeed when that fool Truss got the bums
>rush, which wouldn't have been possible if some unelected EU
>shiny bum had done something equally stupid.
>
Nonsense!


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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 5 Feb 2023 17:35 UTC

On Sun, 05 Feb 2023 21:08:05 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard <pommyB@aol.com>
wrote:

> On Sun, 05 Feb 2023 05:04:33 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 05 Feb 2023 00:27:05 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard <pommyB@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 04 Feb 2023 04:30:17 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 04 Feb 2023 02:42:59 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard
>>>> <pommyB@aol.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 06:56:52 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 06:31:56 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard
>>>>>> <pommyB@aol.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 04:33:31 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 22:49:24 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard
>>>>>>>> <pommyB@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 06:10:49 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 03:59:42 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard
>>>>>>>>>> <pommyB@aol.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 04:32:48 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 22:43:48 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard
>>>>>>>>>>>> <pommyB@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 04:48:28 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pomegranate Bastard <pommyB@aol.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David P <imbibe@mindspring.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For British Farmers, the Effects of Brexit Have Become
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clearer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By Stephen Castle, Jan. 23, 2023, NY Times
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BOSTON, England — For four decades, the prime
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agricultural
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> land
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sarah Pettitt’s family rented near its home produced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bumper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crops
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vegetables, including purple sprouting broccoli destined
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shelves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of upscale British supermarkets. But when post-Brexit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> migration
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rules
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kicked in, curbing recruitment from Eastern Europe, a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vital
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stream
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> workers dried up in this area close to Britain’s eastern
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coastline.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ms. Pettitt said she had little choice but to cut
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> production
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fifth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hardly the end of civilisation as we know it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And regardless, a majority of those who bothered to vote,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to leave. You stupid remoaners get to like that or lump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “If you can’t get people to come and harvest it, you’re
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> take your pound notes out of your back pocket and chuck
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fire,” she said as gray clouds hung over the 100-acre
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expanse
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flat,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fertile land that her family routinely rented from a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> local
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> farmer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has now given up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just one individual, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Two years after Britain left the EU’s economic area,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ending
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ability
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the bloc’s citizens to automatically work in Britain,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brexit are unfolding across the economy. One of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clearest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shortfall of around 330,000 workers, mostly in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> less-skilled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jobs,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> including transportation, retail and hospitality,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> according
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Center for European Reform and U.K. in a Changing Europe,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> research
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> institutes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless, a majority of those who bothered to vote,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to leave. You stupid remoaners get to like that or lump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or, to put it another way, you could have said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You stupid gullible pommy bastards swallowed hook line and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bloody
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sinker the guff spouted by a gaggle of transparent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> con-artists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> led
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> congenital liar Johnson and the nasty little xenophobic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weasel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farage.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or the majority who bothered to vote never did want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a collection of unelected shiny bums in the EU being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> able to tell them how things must be done in all sorts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of areas like power generation etc and prefer to have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a system where they can give the bums who try to do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the bums rush at the next general election, like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they did with Blair and Brown when they got pissed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off enough to do that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On a simplistic level that may have been an attractive
>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposition,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but it was then and still is utter bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit with getting rid of coal fired power generation
>>>>>>>>>>>> and the ban on govt subsidys for nukes etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have to weigh up the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequences of "taking back control" without considering
>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> give that control to.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The difference is that what the govt can be given the
>>>>>>>>>>>> bums rush at the general election when they fuck up
>>>>>>>>>>>> badly enough as was seen with Blair and Brown.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not even possible with the unelected shiny bums
>>>>>>>>>>>> that decide policy in the EU,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In our case giving control to a bunch of inept,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one-trick-pony Nasty Party politicians has inevitably
>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ballsup we have today.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope, that is due to Putin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now you're all going to have to live with the dire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequences
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are no dire consequences, JUST some downsides just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like there always are with any significant policy changes..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BULLSHIT!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tell that to the poor sods whose mortgage payments have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> become
>>>>>>>>>>>>> unaffordable because of Thick Lizzy's fuck up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/yx4drxjx
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Corse nothing like that has happened in the EU eh ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And everyone else suffering the cost of living crisis.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://uk.yahoo.com/topics/cost-of-living-crisis/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no crisis. JUST the sort of result
>>>>>>>>>>>> that is inevitable with any decent war.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The pension funds were within hours of going bust.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/06/bank-of-england-says-pension-funds-were-hours-from-disaster-before-it-intervened.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> BULLSHIT. And even if it was true, with a UK PM,
>>>>>>>>>>>> they can be and were given the bums rush very
>>>>>>>>>>>> quickly indeed. Not even possible when an unelected
>>>>>>>>>>>> EU shiny bum fucks up that spectacularly.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's a historical fact,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/3p6upnna
>>>>>>>>>>> "Bank of England staff worked through the night to design a
>>>>>>>>>>> package
>>>>>>>>>>> that would prevent the collapse of a slew of LDIs, widely held
>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>> pension plans, the following morning."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just because some fool yank journo claims something...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do you have to try to be an utter imbecile or does it come
>>>>>>>>> naturally?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there, child.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No argument necessary, it's a simple fact.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Bank of England had to
>>>>>>> bail out the pension funds to the tune of £65,000,000,000 because
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> Thick Lizzy's ballsup. https://tinyurl.com/3anzhstn
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fantasy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's yet another link for you dismiss as bullsihit or fantasy.
>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/435mucsn
>>>>
>>>> Just because some fool journo claims something...
>>>
>>> Just one last try.
>>>
>>> Do you accept that the Bank of England had to protect the pension
>>> funds with a £65,000,000,000 bailout?
>>
>> Irrelevant to your mindless shit about brexit and the problem
>> was fixed very quickly indeed when that fool Truss got the bums
>> rush, which wouldn't have been possible if some unelected EU
>> shiny bum had done something equally stupid.


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 by: Simon Ferrol - Mon, 6 Feb 2023 11:05 UTC

You don't even live here. Can you piss off and kiss alligator's dick?

Rod Speed:
> On Sun, 05 Feb 2023 21:08:05 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard <pommyB@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 05 Feb 2023 05:04:33 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 05 Feb 2023 00:27:05 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard <pommyB@aol.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 04 Feb 2023 04:30:17 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 04 Feb 2023 02:42:59 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard
>>>>> <pommyB@aol.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 06:56:52 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 06:31:56 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard
>>>>>>> <pommyB@aol.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 04:33:31 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 22:49:24 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard
>>>>>>>>> <pommyB@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 06:10:49 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 03:59:42 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard
>>>>>>>>>>> <pommyB@aol.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 04:32:48 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 22:43:48 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <pommyB@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 04:48:28 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pomegranate Bastard <pommyB@aol.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David P <imbibe@mindspring.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For British Farmers, the Effects of Brexit Have Become
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clearer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By Stephen Castle, Jan. 23, 2023, NY Times
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BOSTON, England — For four decades, the prime
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agricultural
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> land
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sarah Pettitt’s family rented near its home produced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bumper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crops
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vegetables, including purple sprouting broccoli destined
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shelves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of upscale British supermarkets. But when post-Brexit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> migration
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rules
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kicked in, curbing recruitment from Eastern Europe, a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vital
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stream
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> workers dried up in this area close to Britain’s eastern
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coastline.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ms. Pettitt said she had little choice but to cut
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> production
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fifth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hardly the end of civilisation as we know it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And regardless, a majority of those who bothered to vote,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to leave. You stupid remoaners get to like that or lump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “If you can’t get people to come and harvest it,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you’re not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> take your pound notes out of your back pocket and chuck
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fire,” she said as gray clouds hung over the 100-acre
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expanse
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flat,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fertile land that her family routinely rented from a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> local
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> farmer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has now given up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just one individual, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Two years after Britain left the EU’s economic area,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ending
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ability
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the bloc’s citizens to automatically work in Britain,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brexit are unfolding across the economy. One of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clearest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shortfall of around 330,000 workers, mostly in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> less-skilled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jobs,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> including transportation, retail and hospitality,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> according
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Center for European Reform and U.K. in a Changing Europe,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> research
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> institutes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless, a majority of those who bothered to vote,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to leave. You stupid remoaners get to like that or lump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or, to put it another way, you could have said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You stupid gullible pommy bastards swallowed hook line and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bloody
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sinker the guff spouted by a gaggle of transparent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> con-artists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> led
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> congenital liar Johnson and the nasty little xenophobic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weasel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farage.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or the majority who bothered to vote never did want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a collection of unelected shiny bums in the EU being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> able to tell them how things must be done in all sorts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of areas like power generation etc and prefer to have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a system where they can give the bums who try to do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the bums rush at the next general election, like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they did with Blair and Brown when they got pissed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off enough to do that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On a simplistic level that may have been an attractive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposition,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but it was then and still is utter bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit with getting rid of coal fired power generation
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the ban on govt subsidys for nukes etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have to weigh up the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequences of  "taking back control" without considering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give that control to.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The difference is that what the govt can be given the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bums rush at the general election when they fuck up
>>>>>>>>>>>>> badly enough as was seen with Blair and Brown.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not even possible with the unelected shiny bums
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that decide policy in the EU,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In our case giving control to a bunch of inept,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one-trick-pony Nasty Party politicians has inevitably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ballsup we have today.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope, that is due to Putin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now you're all going to have to live with the dire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequences
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are no dire consequences, JUST some downsides just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like there always are with any significant policy changes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BULLSHIT!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tell that to the poor sods whose mortgage payments have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> become
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unaffordable because of Thick Lizzy's fuck up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/yx4drxjx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Corse nothing like that has happened in the EU eh ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And everyone else suffering the cost of living crisis.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://uk.yahoo.com/topics/cost-of-living-crisis/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no crisis. JUST the sort of result
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is inevitable with any decent war.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The pension funds were within hours of going bust.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/06/bank-of-england-says-pension-funds-were-hours-from-disaster-before-it-intervened.html
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BULLSHIT. And even if it was true, with a UK PM,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they can be and were given the bums rush very
>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickly indeed. Not even possible when an unelected
>>>>>>>>>>>>> EU shiny bum fucks up that spectacularly.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a historical fact,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/3p6upnna
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Bank of England staff worked through the night to design a
>>>>>>>>>>>> package
>>>>>>>>>>>> that would prevent the collapse of a slew of LDIs, widely
>>>>>>>>>>>> held by
>>>>>>>>>>>> pension plans, the following morning."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just because some fool yank journo claims something...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Do you have to try to be an utter imbecile or does it come
>>>>>>>>>> naturally?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there, child.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No argument necessary, it's a simple fact.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Bank of England had to
>>>>>>>> bail out the pension funds to the tune of £65,000,000,000
>>>>>>>> because of
>>>>>>>> Thick Lizzy's ballsup. https://tinyurl.com/3anzhstn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fantasy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's yet another link for you dismiss as bullsihit or fantasy.
>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/435mucsn
>>>>>
>>>>> Just because some fool journo claims something...
>>>>
>>>> Just one last try.
>>>>
>>>> Do you accept that the Bank of England had to protect the pension
>>>> funds with a £65,000,000,000 bailout?
>>>
>>> Irrelevant to your mindless shit about brexit and the problem
>>> was fixed very quickly indeed when that fool Truss got the bums
>>> rush, which wouldn't have been possible if some unelected EU
>>> shiny bum had done something equally stupid.
>
>> Nonsense!
>
> Your sig is sposed to be last, with a line with just -- on it in front
> of it.
>
>> Brexit was about "taking back control".
>
> That was only a small part of what Brexit was about and the UK
> did take back control in some areas, particularly no longer having
> to accept any EUian who decided that their prospects were better
> in the UK than where they were coming from and who the UK can
> have a trade treaty with.
>
>> That control was passed on to  Thick Lizzy
>
> The UK always had control of the policy stuff that Truss fucked
> up so spectacularly and was free to give her the bums rush very
> unceremoniously indeed and very quickly when she fucked up
> so spectacularly. Unlike if that policy change had been imposed
> on the UK by some unelected EU shiny bum in Brussels.
>
>> by a handful of geriatric gammons. Had we been in the EU
>> an economically illiterate PM would never had the chance to drop us
>> into so much shite.
>
> Complete and utter mindless pig ignorant bullshit.
>
>> Now we see the pathetic spectacle of the "poor me" tears of the stupid
>> bitch claiming it was all a left wing conspiracy that got her ousted.
>
> Irrelevant, she got the bums rush she deserved anyway.
>
>>>>>>> And nothing to do with brexit and that stupid cow got flushed
>>>>>>> where she belongs very quickly indeed. Not even possible if some
>>>>>>> stupid unelected EU shiny bum had fucked up that spectacularly.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The majority who bothered to vote voted to leave and Boris
>>>>>>>>> delivered what they voted for. You get to like that or lump it.


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On 06 Feb 2023 at 11:05:08 GMT, "Simon Ferrol" <simon.ferrol@englandmail.com>
wrote:

> You don't even live here. Can you piss off and kiss alligator's dick?

Another dweeb who doesn't know how to snip.

[huge snip]

--
27/6/1975 - Herbert Kiebler shot and killed trying to cross Berlin Wall.

"A reminder that the defining characteristic of a socialist regime is coercion, not equality."

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 by: Pomegranate Bastard - Mon, 6 Feb 2023 16:33 UTC

On 6 Feb 2023 11:37:37 GMT, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
wrote:

>On 06 Feb 2023 at 11:05:08 GMT, "Simon Ferrol" <simon.ferrol@englandmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> You don't even live here. Can you piss off and kiss alligator's dick?
>
>Another dweeb who doesn't know how to snip.
>
>[huge snip]

OCD no better, then.

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 by: Rod Speed - Mon, 6 Feb 2023 18:34 UTC

Simon Ferrol <simon.ferrol@englandmail.com> wrote

> You don't even live here.

You don't live anywhere, just exist, unfortunately.

> Can you piss off and kiss alligator's dick?

No alligators here, fuckwit child.

> Rod Speed:
>> On Sun, 05 Feb 2023 21:08:05 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard
>> <pommyB@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 05 Feb 2023 05:04:33 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 05 Feb 2023 00:27:05 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard
>>>> <pommyB@aol.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 04 Feb 2023 04:30:17 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 04 Feb 2023 02:42:59 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard
>>>>>> <pommyB@aol.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 06:56:52 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 06:31:56 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard
>>>>>>>> <pommyB@aol.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 04:33:31 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 22:49:24 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard
>>>>>>>>>> <pommyB@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 06:10:49 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 03:59:42 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard
>>>>>>>>>>>> <pommyB@aol.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 04:32:48 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 22:43:48 +1100, Pomegranate Bastard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <pommyB@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 04:48:28 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pomegranate Bastard <pommyB@aol.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David P <imbibe@mindspring.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For British Farmers, the Effects of Brexit Have Become
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clearer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By Stephen Castle, Jan. 23, 2023, NY Times
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BOSTON, England — For four decades, the prime
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agricultural
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> land
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sarah Pettitt’s family rented near its home produced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bumper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crops
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vegetables, including purple sprouting broccoli
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> destined
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shelves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of upscale British supermarkets. But when post-Brexit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> migration
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rules
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kicked in, curbing recruitment from Eastern Europe, a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vital
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stream
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> workers dried up in this area close to Britain’s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eastern
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coastline.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ms. Pettitt said she had little choice but to cut
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> production
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fifth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hardly the end of civilisation as we know it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And regardless, a majority of those who bothered to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vote,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to leave. You stupid remoaners get to like that or lump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “If you can’t get people to come and harvest it,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you’re not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> take your pound notes out of your back pocket and chuck
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fire,” she said as gray clouds hung over the 100-acre
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expanse
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flat,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fertile land that her family routinely rented from a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> local
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> farmer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has now given up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just one individual, stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Two years after Britain left the EU’s economic area,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ending
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ability
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the bloc’s citizens to automatically work in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Britain,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brexit are unfolding across the economy. One of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clearest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shortfall of around 330,000 workers, mostly in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> less-skilled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jobs,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> including transportation, retail and hospitality,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> according
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Center for European Reform and U.K. in a Changing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Europe,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> research
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> institutes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless, a majority of those who bothered to vote,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to leave. You stupid remoaners get to like that or lump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or, to put it another way, you could have said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You stupid gullible pommy bastards swallowed hook line
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bloody
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sinker the guff spouted by a gaggle of transparent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> con-artists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> led
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> congenital liar Johnson and the nasty little xenophobic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weasel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Farage.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or the majority who bothered to vote never did want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a collection of unelected shiny bums in the EU being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> able to tell them how things must be done in all sorts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of areas like power generation etc and prefer to have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a system where they can give the bums who try to do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the bums rush at the next general election, like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they did with Blair and Brown when they got pissed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off enough to do that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On a simplistic level that may have been an attractive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposition,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but it was then and still is utter bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit with getting rid of coal fired power generation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the ban on govt subsidys for nukes etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have to weigh up the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequences of "taking back control" without considering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give that control to.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The difference is that what the govt can be given the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bums rush at the general election when they fuck up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> badly enough as was seen with Blair and Brown.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not even possible with the unelected shiny bums
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that decide policy in the EU,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In our case giving control to a bunch of inept,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one-trick-pony Nasty Party politicians has inevitably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ballsup we have today.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope, that is due to Putin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now you're all going to have to live with the dire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequences
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are no dire consequences, JUST some downsides just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like there always are with any significant policy changes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BULLSHIT!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tell that to the poor sods whose mortgage payments have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> become
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unaffordable because of Thick Lizzy's fuck up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/yx4drxjx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Corse nothing like that has happened in the EU eh ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And everyone else suffering the cost of living crisis.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://uk.yahoo.com/topics/cost-of-living-crisis/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no crisis. JUST the sort of result
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is inevitable with any decent war.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The pension funds were within hours of going bust.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/06/bank-of-england-says-pension-funds-were-hours-from-disaster-before-it-intervened.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BULLSHIT. And even if it was true, with a UK PM,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they can be and were given the bums rush very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickly indeed. Not even possible when an unelected
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EU shiny bum fucks up that spectacularly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a historical fact,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/3p6upnna
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Bank of England staff worked through the night to design a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> package
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that would prevent the collapse of a slew of LDIs, widely
>>>>>>>>>>>>> held by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pension plans, the following morning."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just because some fool yank journo claims something...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have to try to be an utter imbecile or does it come
>>>>>>>>>>> naturally?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there, child..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No argument necessary, it's a simple fact.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Bank of England had to
>>>>>>>>> bail out the pension funds to the tune of £65,000,000,000
>>>>>>>>> because of
>>>>>>>>> Thick Lizzy's ballsup. https://tinyurl.com/3anzhstn
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fantasy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's yet another link for you dismiss as bullsihit or fantasy.
>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/435mucsn
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just because some fool journo claims something...
>>>>>
>>>>> Just one last try.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you accept that the Bank of England had to protect the pension
>>>>> funds with a £65,000,000,000 bailout?
>>>>
>>>> Irrelevant to your mindless shit about brexit and the problem
>>>> was fixed very quickly indeed when that fool Truss got the bums
>>>> rush, which wouldn't have been possible if some unelected EU
>>>> shiny bum had done something equally stupid.
>>
>>> Nonsense!
>> Your sig is sposed to be last, with a line with just -- on it in front
>> of it.
>>
>>> Brexit was about "taking back control".
>> That was only a small part of what Brexit was about and the UK
>> did take back control in some areas, particularly no longer having
>> to accept any EUian who decided that their prospects were better
>> in the UK than where they were coming from and who the UK can
>> have a trade treaty with.
>>
>>> That control was passed on to Thick Lizzy
>> The UK always had control of the policy stuff that Truss fucked
>> up so spectacularly and was free to give her the bums rush very
>> unceremoniously indeed and very quickly when she fucked up
>> so spectacularly. Unlike if that policy change had been imposed
>> on the UK by some unelected EU shiny bum in Brussels.
>>
>>> by a handful of geriatric gammons. Had we been in the EU
>>> an economically illiterate PM would never had the chance to drop us
>>> into so much shite.
>> Complete and utter mindless pig ignorant bullshit.
>>
>>> Now we see the pathetic spectacle of the "poor me" tears of the stupid
>>> bitch claiming it was all a left wing conspiracy that got her ousted..
>> Irrelevant, she got the bums rush she deserved anyway.
>>
>>>>>>>> And nothing to do with brexit and that stupid cow got flushed
>>>>>>>> where she belongs very quickly indeed. Not even possible if some
>>>>>>>> stupid unelected EU shiny bum had fucked up that spectacularly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The majority who bothered to vote voted to leave and Boris
>>>>>>>>>> delivered what they voted for. You get to like that or lump it.


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Subject: Re: For British Farmers, the Effects of Brexit Have Become Clearer
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2023 15:53:44 +0000 (GMT)
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 by: Dave Plowman (News) - Thu, 9 Feb 2023 15:53 UTC

In article <k3qecaF2bncU1@mid.individual.net>,
Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> I refer you to the answer I gave earlier. A view I've held for more than
> 65 years since viewing my first Labour Party rally with its "Smash the
> Tories" and "Hang the Tories" style posters. A short step away from
> handing out the 2x4 clubs, eh? Nasty Party indeed.

Thanks for confirming you are stuck in a 65 year old time warp.

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