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How did they survive!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jYq2HomNWU

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 17:17 UTC

On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 6:11:40 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
> How did they survive!
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jYq2HomNWU

QUOTE:
Beauty and the Bike

They just couldn't stop! All these gracious car drivers kept giving way :)

YET 100 MILES AWAY THEY'D BE MOWN DOWN BY THE ABD GAMMONS AND ASTRA CHAVS.

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From: dr6...@gmail.com (TMS320)
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 by: TMS320 - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 22:59 UTC

On 26/04/2022 18:11, Mike Collins wrote:
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> How did they survive!
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jYq2HomNWU

Germans, like many civilised countries, have had the culture of giving
way when turning for a long time.

In the UK it has only just been added to the Highway Code. To much
wailing and gnashing of teeth.

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 by: Spike - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 09:07 UTC

On 26/04/2022 17:11, Mike Collins wrote:

> How did they survive!

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jYq2HomNWU

Chernobyl was built and run without some safety measures in place. It
didn't end well.

--
Spike

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 by: Peter Keller - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 09:35 UTC

On 27/04/22 05:11, Mike Collins wrote:
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> How did they survive!
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Ahh yes!
Fond memories of my years living in Germany ....

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On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 10:36:02 AM UTC+1, Peter Keller wrote:
> On 27/04/22 05:11, Mike Collins wrote:
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> > How did they survive!
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jYq2HomNWU
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> Ahh yes!
> Fond memories of my years living in Germany ....

Yes - nobody wears plastic hats there either.

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 by: Mike Collins - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 13:59 UTC

On Wednesday, 27 April 2022 at 10:07:45 UTC+1, Spike wrote:
> On 26/04/2022 17:11, Mike Collins wrote:
>
> > How did they survive!
>
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jYq2HomNWU
> Chernobyl was built and run without some safety measures in place. It
> didn't end well.
>
> --
> Spike

And the Russian Woodpecker was build to control western minds. Keep wearing the tin foil hat.

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 by: Spike - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 15:15 UTC

On 27/04/2022 13:59, Mike Collins wrote:
> On Wednesday, 27 April 2022 at 10:07:45 UTC+1, Spike wrote:
>> On 26/04/2022 17:11, Mike Collins wrote:

>>> How did they survive!

>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jYq2HomNWU

>> Chernobyl was built and run without some safety measures in place. It
>> didn't end well.

> And the Russian Woodpecker was build to control western minds. Keep wearing the tin foil hat.
That's even sillier than you normally manage.

--
Spike

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 by: Mike Collins - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 15:21 UTC

On Wednesday, 27 April 2022 at 16:15:33 UTC+1, Spike wrote:
> On 27/04/2022 13:59, Mike Collins wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 27 April 2022 at 10:07:45 UTC+1, Spike wrote:
> >> On 26/04/2022 17:11, Mike Collins wrote:
>
> >>> How did they survive!
>
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jYq2HomNWU
>
> >> Chernobyl was built and run without some safety measures in place. It
> >> didn't end well.
> > And the Russian Woodpecker was build to control western minds. Keep wearing the tin foil hat.
> That's even sillier than you normally manage.
>
> --
> Spike

Thank you for proving my point.

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 by: JNugent - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 16:09 UTC

On 26/04/2022 11:59 pm, TMS320 wrote:

> On 26/04/2022 18:11, Mike Collins wrote:
>>
>> How did they survive!
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jYq2HomNWU
>
> Germans, like many civilised countries, have had the culture of giving
> way when turning for a long time.
>
> In the UK it has only just been added to the Highway Code. To much
> wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Road users have always had to give way when turning (well, for longer
than I've been driving, at the very least).

Some road-users - especially some fairy-cyclists - don't bother with
that rule, of course.

I remember a business trip to a south coast town where a fairy-cyclist
turned left (out of a street on my left) without so much as a glance in
the direction from which I was approaching (I was between ten and
fifteen yards from the junction and travelling at about 25mph).

He didn't bother with giving way when turning.

But somehow... I expect that that was fine with... certain usual suspects.

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 by: JNugent - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 16:10 UTC

On 27/04/2022 04:15 pm, Spike wrote:
> On 27/04/2022 13:59, Mike Collins wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 27 April 2022 at 10:07:45 UTC+1, Spike wrote:
>>> On 26/04/2022 17:11, Mike Collins wrote:
>
>>>> How did they survive!
>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jYq2HomNWU
>
>>> Chernobyl was built and run without some safety measures in place. It
>>> didn't end well.
>
>> And the Russian Woodpecker was build to control western minds. Keep wearing the tin foil hat.

> That's even sillier than you normally manage.

Give him his due.

It's often surrealism rather than silliness. But sometimes, they're hard
to tell apart.

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On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 2:59:02 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:

> And the Russian Woodpecker was build to control western minds. Keep wearing the tin foil hat.

It was an over the horizon radar transmitter.
As a short wave fan it was a total pain.

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 by: Spike - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 16:38 UTC

On 27/04/2022 16:10, JNugent wrote:
> On 27/04/2022 04:15 pm, Spike wrote:
>> On 27/04/2022 13:59, Mike Collins wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, 27 April 2022 at 10:07:45 UTC+1, Spike wrote:
>>>> On 26/04/2022 17:11, Mike Collins wrote:

>>>>> How did they survive!

>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jYq2HomNWU

>>>> Chernobyl was built and run without some safety measures in place. It
>>>> didn't end well.

>>> And the Russian Woodpecker was build to control western minds. Keep wearing the tin foil hat.

>> That's even sillier than you normally manage.

> Give him his due.

> It's often surrealism rather than silliness. But sometimes, they're hard
> to tell apart.

Fairy nuff!

--
Spike

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On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 6:11:40 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
> How did they survive!
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jYq2HomNWU

Here are the REAL risks:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRXWS7QWQAYQ_Lb?format=jpg&name=medium

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 by: JNugent - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 16:49 UTC

On 27/04/2022 05:41 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 6:11:40 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:

>> How did they survive!
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jYq2HomNWU
>
> Here are the REAL risks:
> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRXWS7QWQAYQ_Lb?format=jpg&name=medium

Car: 48%

But a lot more than 48% of journeys (let alone passenger mileage) are
done by car. That devalues the 48% claim.

Fairy-cycle: 1%.

But that's almost the same figure as the proportion of journeys
allegedly made on a fairy-cycle (no matter how short the journey).

And 1% is a LOT more than amount of total passenger mileage done on
fairy-cycles, as we all know full well.

This means that the correct proportion of risk on a fairy-cycle is much
higher than stated.

After all, for a normal person, who simply *never* travels by
fairy-cycle, their risk score for that mode will be 0%. The 1% is shared
among a tiny minority - the fairy-cyclists.

And of course, the roads are for the many, not the few.

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On Wednesday, 27 April 2022 at 17:11:08 UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 2:59:02 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
>
> > And the Russian Woodpecker was build to control western minds. Keep wearing the tin foil hat.
> It was an over the horizon radar transmitter.
> As a short wave fan it was a total pain.

But the Tin Hat Brigade think Duga was built to control western minds. But they also believe in the Road Tax Fairy.

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 17:59 UTC

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 5:54:24 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
> On Wednesday, 27 April 2022 at 17:11:08 UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 2:59:02 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
> >
> > > And the Russian Woodpecker was build to control western minds. Keep wearing the tin foil hat.
> > It was an over the horizon radar transmitter.
> > As a short wave fan it was a total pain.
> But the Tin Hat Brigade think Duga was built to control western minds. But they also believe in the Road Tax Fairy.

When I was hit by a car in 2010, the medic droned on about me not wearing a plastic hat. I asked if he ever treated any car occupants for head injuries and he said “thousands”. :-/

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On Wednesday, 27 April 2022 at 18:59:17 UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 5:54:24 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 27 April 2022 at 17:11:08 UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 2:59:02 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
> > >
> > > > And the Russian Woodpecker was build to control western minds. Keep wearing the tin foil hat.
> > > It was an over the horizon radar transmitter.
> > > As a short wave fan it was a total pain.
> > But the Tin Hat Brigade think Duga was built to control western minds. But they also believe in the Road Tax Fairy.
> When I was hit by a car in 2010, the medic droned on about me not wearing a plastic hat. I asked if he ever treated any car occupants for head injuries and he said “thousands”. :-/

And that's the point. Mad Angela wanted to force cyclist's to wear helmets because 'a child died in her arms'. For every child cyclist who died she would have seen 10 child pedestrians and 10 child car occupants dying from head injuries.

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 by: Spike - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 16:19 UTC

On 28/04/2022 15:52, Mike Collins wrote:

> Mad Angela wanted to force cyclist's to wear helmets because 'a child died in her arms'. For every child cyclist who died she would have seen 10 child pedestrians and 10 child car occupants dying from head injuries.

Because something is bad, it's OK to make it worse?

That's insane.

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 16:22 UTC

On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 4:52:09 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:

> > > But the Tin Hat Brigade think Duga was built to control western minds.. But they also believe in the Road Tax Fairy.
> > When I was hit by a car in 2010, the medic droned on about me not wearing a plastic hat. I asked if he ever treated any car occupants for head injuries and he said “thousands”. :-/
> And that's the point. Mad Angela wanted to force cyclist's to wear helmets because 'a child died in her arms'. For every child cyclist who died she would have seen 10 child pedestrians and 10 child car occupants dying from head injuries.

Spot on - all involving cars of course. The real culprits.

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 by: Mike Collins - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 18:21 UTC

On Thursday, 28 April 2022 at 17:19:02 UTC+1, Spike wrote:
> On 28/04/2022 15:52, Mike Collins wrote:
>
> > Mad Angela wanted to force cyclist's to wear helmets because 'a child died in her arms'. For every child cyclist who died she would have seen 10 child pedestrians and 10 child car occupants dying from head injuries.
> Because something is bad, it's OK to make it worse?
>
> That's insane.
>
> --
> Spike

Do you even know who Mad Angela Lee is?

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 18:25 UTC

On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 7:21:35 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
> On Thursday, 28 April 2022 at 17:19:02 UTC+1, Spike wrote:
> > On 28/04/2022 15:52, Mike Collins wrote:
> >
> > > Mad Angela wanted to force cyclist's to wear helmets because 'a child died in her arms'. For every child cyclist who died she would have seen 10 child pedestrians and 10 child car occupants dying from head injuries.
> > Because something is bad, it's OK to make it worse?
> >
> > That's insane.
> >
> > --
> > Spike
> Do you even know who Mad Angela Lee is?

https://aseasyasridingabike.wordpress.com/2013/05/28/angela-lee-anti-cycling-campaigner/

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 by: JNugent - Fri, 29 Apr 2022 00:00 UTC

On 28/04/2022 07:21 pm, Mike Collins wrote:

> On Thursday, 28 April 2022 at 17:19:02 UTC+1, Spike wrote:
>> On 28/04/2022 15:52, Mike Collins wrote:
>
>>> Mad Angela wanted to force cyclist's to wear helmets because 'a child died in her arms'. For every child cyclist who died she would have seen 10 child pedestrians and 10 child car occupants dying from head injuries.
>> Because something is bad, it's OK to make it worse?
>
>> That's insane.

> Do you even know who Mad Angela Lee is?

Your sister?

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 by: Spike - Fri, 29 Apr 2022 08:02 UTC

On 29/04/2022 00:00, JNugent wrote:
> On 28/04/2022 07:21 pm, Mike Collins wrote:

>> On Thursday, 28 April 2022 at 17:19:02 UTC+1, Spike wrote:
>>> On 28/04/2022 15:52, Mike Collins wrote:

>>>> Mad Angela wanted to force cyclist's to wear helmets because 'a child died in her arms'. For every child cyclist who died she would have seen 10 child pedestrians and 10 child car occupants dying from head injuries.

>>> Because something is bad, it's OK to make it worse?

>>> That's insane.

>> Do you even know who Mad Angela Lee is?

> Your sister?

LOL!

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On 28/04/2022 19:21, Mike Collins wrote:

> Do you even know who Mad Angela Lee is?

She was a nurse and went for the "think of the children" ploy.

She lives (or used to) along a road I used on my cycle commute. There
was an occasion the local rag tried a stunt by inviting people to
nominate a "Cycling hero" (I think the title was), with the obvious ploy
to put her name on the front page. It went wrong when they had to give
the title to a blind bike mechanic.

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