Removing the exhaust to
a: replace it, as the Active Exhaust valve pulley has gone AWOL
b: gain access to the bash plate, which needs further straightening,
and repainting.

Due to the "mobile" cattle grid in Wales last summer.

One of the tasks is to remove the O2 sensors, down by the right foot
rest. Awkward to reach, but got the rear one off easily enough. the
Front one is underneath, and harder to get to, and it looks like I was
getting close to rounding the nut with my 9/16" open-ended spanner.
Can't even unplug it and get a ring or ratchet on, because the plug is
too big.

Today, Youtube solved the problem.

Of course, O2 sensors are made to a worldwide standard, and
consequently have a 14mm nut.

So, on a nominally non-metric motorcycle, we have:

10mm brake caliper bolts.
11mm bolts holding the radiators on.
12mm bolts for the radiator covers.
14mm bolts for the O2 sensors.
36mm axle nuts.

Those are the ones I've found "so far".

Grr.

Also, at a year old, the Cobra "silencers" are looking very sorry for
themselves on the wheel-side surfaces.

Now waiting on a set of gaskets and clamps.
Luckily, only the clamp I cut through with an angle grinder is on back
order.
--
Salad Dodger
1690 FLHTK;GL1800D
Previously ...
CB1300SA8;GL1800A6;GL1500SEV;CBR1100XXX;
CBR1000FL;CBX1000Z;GPz750R;Z750E1;Z650C2;
KH500A8;KH250B3;TS250c;TS185c.

Salad Dodger <salad.dodger@idnet.com> wrote:

> So, on a nominally non-metric motorcycle, we have:
>
> 10mm brake caliper bolts.
> 11mm bolts holding the radiators on.
> 12mm bolts for the radiator covers.
> 14mm bolts for the O2 sensors.
> 36mm axle nuts.
>
> Those are the ones I've found "so far".

Abolition of 'English/SAE' fasteners in new products can't happen
soon enough.

I still irks the shit out of me that products that I help design (I
do electronics and SW coding) are still being made in the 2nd decade
of the 21st century with non-metric fasteners and measurements.

Naturally, I have plenty of hand tools in both measurement systems,
and I have no problem with working on stuff that is all metric or
all SAE, but ones that are mixed can be a right pain in the posterior.

And due to the durable nature of many things, fasteners will need to
be stocked in both systems for many, many years to come. I wish the
metrification push we had in the 70s had borne fruit.

--
FJR1300A, GL1000, KLR650A6F, EX250J9A, DR200SE, Vespa Ciao

On 24/03/2022 23:08, Salad Dodger wrote:

> So, on a nominally non-metric motorcycle, we have:
>
> 10mm brake caliper bolts.
> 11mm bolts holding the radiators on.
> 12mm bolts for the radiator covers.
> 14mm bolts for the O2 sensors.
> 36mm axle nuts.
>
> Those are the ones I've found "so far".

When I had my Sportster, the distinction seemed to be that any component
bought in from Japan such as the suspension would be metric and anything
made in America would be Imperial.

I wouldn't have been surprised if HD wanted Showa or whoever to make
them Imperial and they either said a straight "no" or priced them at a
point to deter HD from going in that direction.

--
Gyp

On 25/03/2022 13:05 Mark Olson penned these words:
> I have no problem with working on stuff that is all metric or
> all SAE, but ones that are mixed can be a right pain in the posterior.

There was a point where the original incarnation of Triumph motorcycles in the
process of switching to metric would have a mix of internal components too. A
metric bearing one end of the crank and imperial the other, white metal where a
roller should be because they found a stock left over etc.

--
Ian

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest"

Boots <news@millhouse-communications.co.uk> wrote:
> On 25/03/2022 13:05 Mark Olson penned these words:
>> I have no problem with working on stuff that is all metric or
>> all SAE, but ones that are mixed can be a right pain in the posterior.
>
> There was a point where the original incarnation of Triumph motorcycles in the
> process of switching to metric would have a mix of internal components too. A
> metric bearing one end of the crank and imperial the other, white metal where a
> roller should be because they found a stock left over etc.

BSA were among the offenders, Bantams are a mix of BSF, BSW, BA and Cycle Thread..

--
http://www.netunix.com/

Mark Olson wrote:

> Salad Dodger <salad.dodger@idnet.com> wrote:
>
> > So, on a nominally non-metric motorcycle, we have:
> >
> > 10mm brake caliper bolts.
> > 11mm bolts holding the radiators on.
> > 12mm bolts for the radiator covers.
> > 14mm bolts for the O2 sensors.
> > 36mm axle nuts.
> >
> > Those are the ones I've found "so far".
>
> Abolition of 'English/SAE' fasteners in new products can't happen
> soon enough.
>
> I wish the
> metrification push we had in the 70s had borne fruit.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/177372580264894

--
Krusty

On 3/24/2022 10:05 PM, Mark Olson wrote:
>
>
> Abolition of 'English/SAE' fasteners in new products can't happen
> soon enough.
>
> I still irks the shit out of me that products that I help design (I
> do electronics and SW coding) are still being made in the 2nd decade
> of the 21st century with non-metric fasteners and measurements.
>
> Naturally, I have plenty of hand tools in both measurement systems,
> and I have no problem with working on stuff that is all metric or
> all SAE, but ones that are mixed can be a right pain in the posterior.
>
> And due to the durable nature of many things, fasteners will need to
> be stocked in both systems for many, many years to come. I wish the
> metrification push we had in the 70s had borne fruit.
>
I remember reading an analysis of why it wasn't happening back then.
Wish I could find it. The effort and expense of changing all the
manufacturing, tools, equipment, spare parts, signage, manuals,
instruction, laws, etc, etc, would be catastrophic. (Every speed limit
and distance sign in the country?)

It would be nice to just snap your fingers and change it, but that ain't
gonna happen.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

On 3/26/2022 3:39 AM, Krusty wrote:
>
>
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/177372580264894
>
;-)

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

Krusty <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> Mark Olson wrote:
>
>> Salad Dodger <salad.dodger@idnet.com> wrote:
>>
>> > So, on a nominally non-metric motorcycle, we have:
>> >
>> > 10mm brake caliper bolts.
>> > 11mm bolts holding the radiators on.
>> > 12mm bolts for the radiator covers.
>> > 14mm bolts for the O2 sensors.
>> > 36mm axle nuts.
>> >
>> > Those are the ones I've found "so far".
>>
>> Abolition of 'English/SAE' fasteners in new products can't happen
>> soon enough.
>>
>> I wish the
>> metrification push we had in the 70s had borne fruit.
>
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/177372580264894

The post about sizing freezers by # of deer they can hold looks
perfectly normal. About 10% of the population hunt deer here.

--
FJR1300A, GL1000, KLR650A6F, EX250J9A, DR200SE, Vespa Ciao

Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:
> On 3/24/2022 10:05 PM, Mark Olson wrote:
>>
>>
>> Abolition of 'English/SAE' fasteners in new products can't happen
>> soon enough.
>>
>> I still irks the shit out of me that products that I help design (I
>> do electronics and SW coding) are still being made in the 2nd decade
>> of the 21st century with non-metric fasteners and measurements.
>>
>> Naturally, I have plenty of hand tools in both measurement systems,
>> and I have no problem with working on stuff that is all metric or
>> all SAE, but ones that are mixed can be a right pain in the posterior.
>>
>> And due to the durable nature of many things, fasteners will need to
>> be stocked in both systems for many, many years to come. I wish the
>> metrification push we had in the 70s had borne fruit.
>>
> I remember reading an analysis of why it wasn't happening back then.
> Wish I could find it. The effort and expense of changing all the
> manufacturing, tools, equipment, spare parts, signage, manuals,
> instruction, laws, etc, etc, would be catastrophic. (Every speed limit
> and distance sign in the country?)
>
> It would be nice to just snap your fingers and change it, but that ain't
> gonna happen.

It's not required for it to all happen at once. We're already using the
metric system for many manufactured goods and people are familiar with
liters, meters, km, etc.

--
FJR1300A, GL1000, KLR650A6F, EX250J9A, DR200SE, Vespa Ciao

On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 05:21:27 -0000 (UTC), Mark Olson
<olsonm@tiny.invalid> wrote:

>Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:
>> On 3/24/2022 10:05 PM, Mark Olson wrote:

>>> I wish the
>>> metrification push we had in the 70s had borne fruit.
>>>
>> I remember reading an analysis of why it wasn't happening back then.
>> Wish I could find it. The effort and expense of changing all the
>> manufacturing, tools, equipment, spare parts, signage, manuals,
>> instruction, laws, etc, etc, would be catastrophic. (Every speed limit
>> and distance sign in the country?)
>>
>> It would be nice to just snap your fingers and change it, but that ain't
>> gonna happen.
>
>It's not required for it to all happen at once. We're already using the
>metric system for many manufactured goods and people are familiar with
>liters, meters, km, etc.

Other countries have managed, including the UK, although they stopped
short of changing from miles to kilometres, which is a model one might
see being adopted in the US also.

You'd also need to correct the spelling of litres and metres in order
to conform to proper standards.

--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

Mark Olson wibbled:

> Abolition of 'English/SAE' fasteners in new products can't happen
> soon enough.
>
> I still irks the shit out of me that products that I help design (I
> do electronics and SW coding) are still being made in the 2nd decade
> of the 21st century with non-metric fasteners and measurements.

Not so fast!

There are actually people in the UK that think a benefit of leaving the
EU, is bringing back imperial measurements.

Just think of it. Both the US and UK, brothers in arms, using inches to
the last!

--
Cab
Z1000 and CB1300 and VeloSolex 3800

On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 08:44:19 +0000, "Cab" <me@privacy.net> wrote:

>There are actually people in the UK that think a benefit of leaving the
>EU, is bringing back imperial measurements.

I don't mind at all if they do, as long as they use the continental
norm of 500ml=1 pint, 500g=1 lb. It's still not unheard-of for French
or German folks to use them. Un demi-livre de beurre rolls off the
tongue much more easily than deux-cents cinqante grams. I think people
tend to forget that those units, and inches, were the standard, albeit
in ill-defined one, units across most of Europe before
post-revolutionary France started pushing for standardisation to the
already existing standard units.

>Just think of it. Both the US and UK, brothers in arms, using inches to
>the last!

Well inches is stilll the unverally accepted standard for some things
across Europe. And in fact it's a derived SI unit in its own right,
having been defined as 25.4mm for 100 or more years.

Nuts and bolts are a different matter altogether, and the
simplification even since I was working on bicycles as a kid is huge.
--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

On 27/03/2022 09:44, Cab wrote:
> Mark Olson wibbled:
>
>> Abolition of 'English/SAE' fasteners in new products can't happen
>> soon enough.
>>
>> I still irks the shit out of me that products that I help design (I
>> do electronics and SW coding) are still being made in the 2nd decade
>> of the 21st century with non-metric fasteners and measurements.
>
> Not so fast!
>
> There are actually people in the UK that think a benefit of leaving the
> EU, is bringing back imperial measurements.
yet I still weigh myself in stones and pounds, and measure my height in
feet& inches
>
> Just think of it. Both the US and UK, brothers in arms, using inches to
> the last!
>

I still snigger at the HD dealer in Lousianna telling me "we can't fix
it, it's metric" (for an electrical issue).

Especially with Salad's latest rant over HD parts :-)

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

On 3/27/2022 7:58 AM, YTC#1 wrote:
>
>
> On 27/03/2022 09:44, Cab wrote:
>> Mark Olson wibbled:
>>
>>> Abolition of 'English/SAE' fasteners in new products can't happen
>>> soon enough.
>>>
>>> I still irks the shit out of me that products that I help design (I
>>> do electronics and SW coding) are still being made in the 2nd decade
>>> of the 21st century with non-metric fasteners and measurements.
>>
>> Not so fast!
>>
>> There are actually people in the UK that think a benefit of leaving the
>> EU, is bringing back imperial measurements.
> yet I still weigh myself in stones and pounds, and measure my height in
> feet& inches
>>
>> Just think of it. Both the US and UK, brothers in arms, using inches to
>> the last!
>>
>
> I still snigger at the HD dealer in Lousianna telling me "we can't fix
> it, it's metric" (for an electrical issue).
>
He probably was laughing, too, after you left.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

On 27/03/2022 08:38, Ace wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 05:21:27 -0000 (UTC), Mark Olson
> <olsonm@tiny.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 3/24/2022 10:05 PM, Mark Olson wrote:
>
>>>> I wish the
>>>> metrification push we had in the 70s had borne fruit.
>>>>
>>> I remember reading an analysis of why it wasn't happening back then.
>>> Wish I could find it. The effort and expense of changing all the
>>> manufacturing, tools, equipment, spare parts, signage, manuals,
>>> instruction, laws, etc, etc, would be catastrophic. (Every speed limit
>>> and distance sign in the country?)
>>>
>>> It would be nice to just snap your fingers and change it, but that ain't
>>> gonna happen.
>>
>> It's not required for it to all happen at once. We're already using the
>> metric system for many manufactured goods and people are familiar with
>> liters, meters, km, etc.
>
> Other countries have managed, including the UK, although they stopped
> short of changing from miles to kilometres, which is a model one might
> see being adopted in the US also.

Ireland managed all of it, including speeds and distances.

Now there's an incredibly stupid study going on into reintroducing
imperial weights and measures in the UK.

https://metro.co.uk/2021/09/17/brexit-downing-street-confirms-imperial-measurements-could-return-15275817/

"The prime minister’s official spokesperson said: 'Pounds and ounces are
an easily understood and widely used unit of measurement.' " They are
neither. And it would be a lot easier life if people started using
metric measurements for their own bodies instead of fucking stones and
pounds and feet and fucking inches. We have been metric for over 50
years, after all.

On 27/03/2022 15:58, YTC#1 wrote:
>
>
> On 27/03/2022 09:44, Cab wrote:
>> Mark Olson wibbled:
>>
>>> Abolition of 'English/SAE' fasteners in new products can't happen
>>> soon enough.
>>>
>>> I still irks the shit out of me that products that I help design (I
>>> do electronics and SW coding) are still being made in the 2nd decade
>>> of the 21st century with non-metric fasteners and measurements.
>>
>> Not so fast!
>>
>> There are actually people in the UK that think a benefit of leaving the
>> EU, is bringing back imperial measurements.
> yet I still weigh myself in stones and pounds, and measure my height in
> feet& inches

Weirdo.

On Sunday, 27 March 2022 at 19:03:12 UTC+1, Mike Fleming wrote:
> On 27/03/2022 15:58, YTC#1 wrote:

> > yet I still weigh myself in stones and pounds, and measure my height in
> > feet& inches
> Weirdo.

Quite. Surely everyone measures their weight in kg, their height in cm and
various circumferences (circumferenci?) in inches?

On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 15:58:11 +0100, YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
wrote:

>> There are actually people in the UK that think a benefit of leaving the
>> EU, is bringing back imperial measurements.

>I still weigh myself in stones and pounds, and measure my height in
>feet& inches

#Living in the past

I know I'm ~81kg, and no longer know what I weigh in imperial units
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On 27/03/2022 19:01, Mike Fleming wrote:
> "The prime minister’s official spokesperson said: 'Pounds and ounces are
> an easily understood and widely used unit of measurement.' " They are
> neither. And it would be a lot easier life if people started using
> metric measurements for their own bodies instead of fucking stones and
> pounds and feet and fucking inches. We have been metric for over 50
> years, after all.

"She allowed herself to be pinned to the bed by his lissom 75.3 kilogram
frame eagerly anticipating his full 20.3 centimetres of pleasure."

Metric: a guaranteed nomination for the "Bad Sex in Fiction Award"!

--
Bruce Horrocks
FJR1300AS

On 27/03/2022 22:43, Bruce Horrocks wrote:
> On 27/03/2022 19:01, Mike Fleming wrote:
>> "The prime minister’s official spokesperson said: 'Pounds and ounces
>> are an easily understood and widely used unit of measurement.' " They
>> are neither. And it would be a lot easier life if people started using
>> metric measurements for their own bodies instead of fucking stones and
>> pounds and feet and fucking inches. We have been metric for over 50
>> years, after all.
>
> "She allowed herself to be pinned to the bed by his lissom 75.3 kilogram
> frame eagerly anticipating his full 20.3 centimetres of pleasure."
>
> Metric: a guaranteed nomination for the "Bad Sex in Fiction Award"!

You read some strange fiction.

On 27/03/2022 19:30, Stephen Packer wrote:
> On Sunday, 27 March 2022 at 19:03:12 UTC+1, Mike Fleming wrote:
>> On 27/03/2022 15:58, YTC#1 wrote:
>
>>> yet I still weigh myself in stones and pounds, and measure my height in
>>> feet& inches
>> Weirdo.
>
> Quite. Surely everyone measures their weight in kg, their height in cm and
> various circumferences (circumferenci?) in inches?

Weight in kg, height in cm, equator also in cm. I'd like to get both the
first and last numbers down to double figures.

On 3/27/2022 3:21 PM, Mike Fleming wrote:
> On 27/03/2022 22:43, Bruce Horrocks wrote:
>> On 27/03/2022 19:01, Mike Fleming wrote:
>>> "The prime minister’s official spokesperson said: 'Pounds and ounces
>>> are an easily understood and widely used unit of measurement.' " They
>>> are neither. And it would be a lot easier life if people started
>>> using metric measurements for their own bodies instead of fucking
>>> stones and pounds and feet and fucking inches. We have been metric
>>> for over 50 years, after all.
>>
>> "She allowed herself to be pinned to the bed by his lissom 75.3
>> kilogram frame eagerly anticipating his full 20.3 centimetres of
>> pleasure."
>>
>> Metric: a guaranteed nomination for the "Bad Sex in Fiction Award"!
>
> You read some strange fiction.

You don't?

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

On 28/03/2022 02:01 Mike Fleming penned these words:
>
> Now there's an incredibly stupid study going on into reintroducing
> imperial weights and measures in the UK.
>
> https://metro.co.uk/2021/09/17/brexit-downing-street-confirms-imperial-measurements-could-return-15275817/
>
> "The prime minister’s official spokesperson said: 'Pounds and ounces are
> an easily understood and widely used unit of measurement.' " They are
> neither. And it would be a lot easier life if people started using
> metric measurements for their own bodies instead of fucking stones and
> pounds and feet and fucking inches. We have been metric for over 50
> years, after all.

Having recently tried to explain what the fuck stones were as a measurement unit
to a Canadian friend I could not agree more, let's get with the program and do
away with imperial. The only bollix I see in imperial now is building sizes and
I reckon that's because a example 1450 sq foot apartment sounds bigger than 135
metres.

--
Ian

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest"

On 27/03/2022 22:58 YTC#1 penned these words:
> yet I still weigh myself in stones and pounds, and measure my height in
> feet& inches

I have no idea what I am now in ancient measurements. I do know in metric
weight 73 - 75 depending
height 178
waist 82

--
Ian

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest"