While it is possible to get a breakdown by clicking on
the little red down arrow, it doesn't show which way
the electrons are flowing, or is this implicitly an
import ?.

Andrew

On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 14:19:23 +0000, Andrew <Andrew97d@btinternet.com>
wrote:

>While it is possible to get a breakdown by clicking on
>the little red down arrow, it doesn't show which way
>the electrons are flowing, or is this implicitly an
>import ?.
>
>Andrew

Without a link, I have no idea what you're talking about, but while on
the subject of Drax...

Drax burns thirteen tonnes per minute of imported wood chip (7 million
tonnes imported, per year, /365/24/60). That's a lot of wood

Some years ago someone posted a detailed calculation on how many trees
would have to be planted per unit time (not sure what the units of
time were: minutes? days? years?) to keep up with that sort of
consumption and reach some sort of equilibrium, where the rate of
growth equaled the rate of felling. And remember Drax only produces
about 5% of the UK electricity consumption, and that's before 'net
zero'!

Does anyone remember the calculation and can point me to it, or
recreate it?

--
Chris

Chris Hogg wrote:

> Andrew wrote:
>
>> While it is possible to get a breakdown by clicking on
>> the little red down arrow, it doesn't show which way
>> the electrons are flowing, or is this implicitly an
>> import ?.

given that it stays positive if you turn off all sources except
connectors, I'd say today we're importing from them all, with your down
arrow you can see them individually

> Without a link, I have no idea what you're talking about

<https://electricinsights.co.uk/#/dashboard?period=7-days&start=2021-12-20&&_k=wm19xx>

, but while on
> the subject of Drax...
>
> Drax burns thirteen tonnes per minute of imported wood chip (7 million
> tonnes imported, per year, /365/24/60). That's a lot of wood
>
> Some years ago someone posted a detailed calculation on how many trees
> would have to be planted per unit time (not sure what the units of
> time were: minutes? days? years?)

They burn 27 million trees/year, so presumably have to plant more than
that to allow for thinning out, deaths and waste?

<https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2022-12-06/debates/F64F3AE8-E706-434D-B4CF-B11D18CF0BC6/SustainableEnergyGenerationBurningTrees>

to keep up with that sort of
> consumption and reach some sort of equilibrium, where the rate of
> growth equaled the rate of felling. And remember Drax only produces
> about 5% of the UK electricity consumption, and that's before 'net
> zero'!
>
> Does anyone remember the calculation and can point me to it, or
> recreate it?
>

On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 15:18:50 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

>Chris Hogg wrote:
>
>> Andrew wrote:
>>
>>> While it is possible to get a breakdown by clicking on
>>> the little red down arrow, it doesn't show which way
>>> the electrons are flowing, or is this implicitly an
>>> import ?.
>
>given that it stays positive if you turn off all sources except
>connectors, I'd say today we're importing from them all, with your down
>arrow you can see them individually
>
>> Without a link, I have no idea what you're talking about
>
><https://electricinsights.co.uk/#/dashboard?period=7-days&start=2021-12-20&&_k=wm19xx>
>
Thanks for that. Never heard of electricalinsights, so didn't
recognise it in the title.
>
>, but while on
>> the subject of Drax...
>>
>> Drax burns thirteen tonnes per minute of imported wood chip (7 million
>> tonnes imported, per year, /365/24/60). That's a lot of wood
>>
>> Some years ago someone posted a detailed calculation on how many trees
>> would have to be planted per unit time (not sure what the units of
>> time were: minutes? days? years?)
>
>They burn 27 million trees/year, so presumably have to plant more than
>that to allow for thinning out, deaths and waste?
>
><https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2022-12-06/debates/F64F3AE8-E706-434D-B4CF-B11D18CF0BC6/SustainableEnergyGenerationBurningTrees>
>

Thanks also for that. Jeeze it's worse than I realised - much worse.
And it's going to get even worser! "The Department for Business,
Energy and Industrial Strategy plans to burn 120 million trees a year
by 2050"!! It'll give new meaning to 'can't see the wood for the
trees'. Can't see *anything* for the trees, more like!

--
Chris

On 27/02/2023 14:19, Andrew wrote:
> While it is possible to get a breakdown by clicking on
> the little red down arrow, it doesn't show which way
> the electrons are flowing, or is this implicitly an
> import ?.
>
> Andrew
neg to pos

On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 02:18:50 +1100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

> Chris Hogg wrote:
>
>> Andrew wrote:
>>
>>> While it is possible to get a breakdown by clicking on
>>> the little red down arrow, it doesn't show which way
>>> the electrons are flowing, or is this implicitly an
>>> import ?.
>
> given that it stays positive if you turn off all sources except
> connectors, I'd say today we're importing from them all, with your down
> arrow you can see them individually
>
>> Without a link, I have no idea what you're talking about
>
> <https://electricinsights.co.uk/#/dashboard?period=7-days&start=2021-12-20&&_k=wm19xx>
>
>
> , but while on
>> the subject of Drax...
>> Drax burns thirteen tonnes per minute of imported wood chip (7 million
>> tonnes imported, per year, /365/24/60). That's a lot of wood
>> Some years ago someone posted a detailed calculation on how many trees
>> would have to be planted per unit time (not sure what the units of
>> time were: minutes? days? years?)
>
> They burn 27 million trees/year, so presumably have to plant more than
> that to allow for thinning out,

You don't thin out forests grown for wood chips, that's only
done with forects grown for timber, to get nice straight trees.

> deaths and waste?

Depends on what you call waste. There isnt much of that at all
with forests grown for wood chips.

Utterly silly approach to electricity generation when the trees
are on the other side of the world to the power station given
the vast amounts of diesel used to harvest the wood chips
and the fuel oil to transport it halfway across the world and
the immense environmental damage where the trees are grown.

> <https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2022-12-06/debates/F64F3AE8-E706-434D-B4CF-B11D18CF0BC6/SustainableEnergyGenerationBurningTrees>
>
> to keep up with that sort of
>> consumption and reach some sort of equilibrium, where the rate of
>> growth equaled the rate of felling. And remember Drax only produces
>> about 5% of the UK electricity consumption, and that's before 'net
>> zero'!
>> Does anyone remember the calculation and can point me to it, or
>> recreate it?
>>

No considering that I need text, not little arrows.
Brian

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> On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 15:18:50 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>Chris Hogg wrote:
>>
>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>
>>>> While it is possible to get a breakdown by clicking on
>>>> the little red down arrow, it doesn't show which way
>>>> the electrons are flowing, or is this implicitly an
>>>> import ?.
>>
>>given that it stays positive if you turn off all sources except
>>connectors, I'd say today we're importing from them all, with your down
>>arrow you can see them individually
>>
>>> Without a link, I have no idea what you're talking about
>>
>><https://electricinsights.co.uk/#/dashboard?period=7-days&start=2021-12-20&&_k=wm19xx>
>>
> Thanks for that. Never heard of electricalinsights, so didn't
> recognise it in the title.
>>
>>, but while on
>>> the subject of Drax...
>>>
>>> Drax burns thirteen tonnes per minute of imported wood chip (7 million
>>> tonnes imported, per year, /365/24/60). That's a lot of wood
>>>
>>> Some years ago someone posted a detailed calculation on how many trees
>>> would have to be planted per unit time (not sure what the units of
>>> time were: minutes? days? years?)
>>
>>They burn 27 million trees/year, so presumably have to plant more than
>>that to allow for thinning out, deaths and waste?
>>
>><https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2022-12-06/debates/F64F3AE8-E706-434D-B4CF-B11D18CF0BC6/SustainableEnergyGenerationBurningTrees>
>>
>
> Thanks also for that. Jeeze it's worse than I realised - much worse.
> And it's going to get even worser! "The Department for Business,
> Energy and Industrial Strategy plans to burn 120 million trees a year
> by 2050"!! It'll give new meaning to 'can't see the wood for the
> trees'. Can't see *anything* for the trees, more like!
>
>
>
> --
>
> Chris