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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 20:34 UTC

Hundreds of cyclists are expected to saddle up this weekend with the return of the Island’s popular Randonnee cycling event.

Cancelled in both 2020 and 2021 due to Covid, this Sunday’s (1st May) Randonnee will be the first since the introduction of the revised Highway Code which gives greater protection to vulnerable road users such as cyclists.

Hierarchy of responsibility
Drivers now have more responsibility to watch out for people cycling, walking or riding a horse — while cyclists have more responsibility to be aware of pedestrians.

The new rules mean cars must leave at least 1.5 metres (five feet) room when passing bicycles — and revised guidance also says “it can be safer” for cyclists to ride two abreast, particularly in larger groups or when accompanying children or less experienced riders.

Where in the lane to ride
Cyclists are also now instructed to ride in the centre of the lane in slower moving traffic, “on quiet roads or streets, moving over to the left if a faster vehicle comes up behind them, but only if they can do so safely” and “at the approach to junctions or where the road narrows, where it would be unsafe for drivers to overtake them”.

Giving way
Other key amendments include drivers turning into a road being required to give way to pedestrians waiting to cross.

They are also now told not to cut across cyclists or horse riders going straight ahead when turning into or out of a junction or changing direction or lane, to avoid “left hook” collisions — and allow cyclists priority at roundabouts.

Another recommendation is for car users to reduce the risk of opening a door into the path of a cyclist by using the hand on the opposite side to the door, as that will often lead to them looking over their shoulder.

Jordan: Our Island a mecca for cyclists
Cllr Phil Jordan, Cabinet member for transport and infrastructure, said,

“Our Island has rapidly become a mecca for cyclists.

“It has some fantastic, challenging and exciting cycling routes, which is partly why the Island will be hosting the final leg of the Tour of Britain cycle race in September. It is also why the Randonnee always attracts a huge number of enthusiasts.

“During the event, please make sure that if you encounter Randonnee participants around the Island that you do follow the revised Highway Code for the safety of everyone.

“Slow down, stop and wait for a safe gap in the flow of cyclists if necessary. This includes when cyclists are approaching, passing, or moving off from a junction, moving past or waiting alongside stationary or slow-moving traffic, or travelling around a roundabout.

“I hope that the event is an enormous success once again and that everyone taking part has a great day and that we all can stay safe on our roads and enjoy a great bank holiday weekend.”

More information about the changes to the Highway Code that came in in January 2022 is available on the government Website.

https://onthewight.com/isle-of-wight-randonnee-returns-on-sunday-are-you-aware-of-highway-code-changes/?fbclid=IwAR0nTGmOOEdf3OAxtylsH_s6k5hqiiAgPRaeUJ3nO5YvvWolTI4Lz5z6Cpo

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 by: JNugent - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 23:58 UTC

On 28/04/2022 09:34 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hundreds of fairy-cyclists are expected to saddle up this weekend with the return of the Island’s popular Randonnee cycling event.
>
> Cancelled in both 2020 and 2021 due to Covid, this Sunday’s (1st May) Randonnee will be the first since the introduction of the revised Highway Code which gives greater protection to vulnerable road users such as fairy-cyclists.
>
> Hierarchy of responsibility

> Drivers now have more responsibility to watch out for people fairy-cycling, walking or riding a horse — while fairy-cyclists have more responsibility to be aware of pedestrians.
>
> The new rules mean cars must leave at least 1.5 metres (five feet) room when passing fairy-bicycles — and revised guidance also says “it can be safer” for fairy-cyclists to ride two abreast, particularly in larger groups or when accompanying children or less experienced fairy-riders.
>
> Where in the lane to fairy-ride

> Fairy-cyclists are also now instructed to ride in the centre of the lane in slower moving traffic, “on quiet roads or streets, moving over to the left if a faster vehicle comes up behind them, but only if they can do so safely” and “at the approach to junctions or where the road narrows, where it would be unsafe for drivers to overtake them”.
>
> Giving way

> Other key amendments include drivers turning into a road being required to give way to pedestrians waiting to cross.
>
> They are also now told not to cut across fairy-cyclists or horse riders going straight ahead when turning into or out of a junction or changing direction or lane, to avoid “left hook” collisions — and allow fairy-cyclists priority at roundabouts.
>
> Another recommendation is for car users to reduce the risk of opening a door into the path of a fairy-cyclist by using the hand on the opposite side to the door, as that will often lead to them looking over their shoulder.
>
> Jordan: Our Island a mecca for fairy-cyclists

> Cllr Phil Jordan, Cabinet member for transport and infrastructure, said,
>
> “Our Island has rapidly become a mecca for fairy-cyclists.
>
> “It has some fantastic, challenging and exciting fairy-cycling routes, which is partly why the Island will be hosting the final leg of the Tour of Britain fairy-cycle race in September. It is also why the Randonnee always attracts a huge number of enthusiasts.
>
> “During the event, please make sure that if you encounter Randonnee participants around the Island that you do follow the revised Highway Code for the safety of everyone.
>
> “Slow down, stop and wait for a safe gap in the flow of fairy-cyclists if necessary. This includes when fairy-cyclists are approaching, passing, or moving off from a junction, moving past or waiting alongside stationary or slow-moving traffic, or travelling around a roundabout.
>
> “I hope that the event is an enormous success once again and that everyone taking part has a great day and that we all can stay safe on our roads and enjoy a great bank holiday weekend.”
>
> More information about the changes to the Highway Code that came in in January 2022 is available on the government Website.
>
> https://onthewight.com/isle-of-wight-randonnee-returns-on-sunday-are-you-aware-of-highway-code-changes/?fbclid=IwAR0nTGmOOEdf3OAxtylsH_s6k5hqiiAgPRaeUJ3nO5YvvWolTI4Lz5z6Cpo

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VentnorLad

28.Apr.2022 8:38pm

Riding two-abreast does not “force” motorists over the centre line.

Motorists being impatient and not waiting for a safe space to pass are a huge danger to vulnerable cyclists. If the “consequence” of riding two-abreast is that motorists think twice before attempting a borderline passing manoeuvre, then shouldn’t we all encourage it?

There might be a hierarchy of vulnerability, but there is no hierarchy of importance. All road users need to respect each other.

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> VentnorLad
> 28.Apr.2022 8:38pm
> Riding two-abreast does not “force” motorists over the centre line.
> Motorists being impatient and not waiting for a safe space to pass are a huge danger to vulnerable cyclists. If the “consequence” of riding two-abreast is that motorists think twice before attempting a borderline passing manoeuvre, then shouldn’t we all encourage it?
> There might be a hierarchy of vulnerability, but there is no hierarchy of importance. All road users need to respect each other.

Highway Code Rule 168:

"Never obstruct drivers who wish to pass".

That seems straightforward enough, doesn't it?

Your homework:

1. Define "never" (look it up in a dictionary if you can get someone to
explain how they work).

2. Define it again and learn its meaning.

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Fri, 29 Apr 2022 09:59 UTC

VentnorLad

29.Apr.2022 10:09am

Unless it’s a toll-road, car drivers don’t pay to use them.

Road Tax was abolished in 1937.

Vehicle Excise Duty is a tax on vehicles based on the harm they cause and goes straight into the general treasury coffers, it’s not all spent on roads.

I’m a pedestrian, cyclist and motorist. I pay for roads through my local and central taxes. Just like everyone else.

When I’m walking, running or cycling I am using the highways by right. It is my automatic right to use them.

When I’m a motorist I am using the highways by licence. I have to be licensed to earn the right to use them.

That someone thinks as a motorist they have a greater right to use the roads than pedestrians, equestrians or cyclists demonstrates a level of ignorance and entitlement that marks them out both as ill-informed and arrogant. They are not YOUR roads. They are OUR roads. Let’s try sharing, shall we?

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 by: Spike - Fri, 29 Apr 2022 10:12 UTC

On 29/04/2022 09:59, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> That someone thinks as a motorist they have a greater right to use the roads than pedestrians, equestrians or cyclists demonstrates a level of ignorance and entitlement that marks them out both as ill-informed and arrogant. They are not YOUR roads. They are OUR roads. Let’s try sharing, shall we?

Of course, you meant to say "They are not YOUR roads. They are ALL our
roads".

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Spike

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Fri, 29 Apr 2022 13:30 UTC

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drone

29.Apr.2022 9:56am

When you see cyclists riding two abreast, you just need to imagine they using the same space as a car.

If you were to overtake that car, you’d have to cross the white line, would you not?

If you want to overtake a group of cyclists, it would take longer for you to overtake them all if they were riding in single file.

Cyclists riding 2 a breast is safer for everyone, so long as drivers recognise they are in charge of large metal killing machines

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On 29/04/2022 02:30 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

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> drone
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> 29.Apr.2022 9:56am
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> When you see fairy-cyclists riding two abreast, you just need to imagine they using the same space as a car.
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> If you were to overtake that car, you’d have to cross the white line, would you not?
>
> If you want to overtake a group of fairy-cyclists, it would take longer for you to overtake them all if they were riding in single file.

Why?

Road-users are not supposed to travel so close to the vehicle in front
that an overtaking vehicle could not fit into the line of traffic
between them. Neither are they supposed to prevent other road-users from
overtaking them.

Did the contributor forget the words "Highway Code" in the title?

> Fairy-cyclists riding 2 a breast [sic] is safer for everyone, so long as drivers recognise they are in charge of large metal killing machines

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QUOTE: Isle of Wight Randonnee returns on Sunday – are you aware of Highway Code changes? ENDS

NOPE IT SEEMS:

2022 Highway Code changes: 7 million drivers ***unaware*** of new rules for cars, cyclists and HGVs | Auto Express.

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On 29/04/2022 04:58 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> QUOTE: Isle of Wight Randonnee returns on Sunday – are you aware of Highway Code changes? ENDS
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> NOPE IT SEEMS:
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> 2022 Highway Code changes: 7 million drivers ***unaware*** of new rules for cars, fairy-cyclists and HGVs | Auto Express.

And?

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QUOTE: The new rules mean cars must leave at least 1.5 metres (five feet) room when passing bicycles — and revised guidance also says “it can be safer” for cyclists to ride two abreast, particularly in larger groups or when accompanying children or less experienced riders. ENDS

SIMPLE ENOUGH?

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On 29/04/2022 15:58, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> QUOTE: Isle of Wight Randonnee returns on Sunday – are you aware of Highway Code changes? ENDS

> NOPE IT SEEMS:

> 2022 Highway Code changes: 7 million drivers ***unaware*** of new rules for cars, cyclists and HGVs | Auto Express.

Three million cyclists know their rights - and apparently, none of their
responsibilities:

"Police are looking for a cyclist who pushed over an 80-year-old man who
dared to point out he should not be cycling on the pavement.

The cyclist then kicked the elderly pedestrian before fleeing the scene.
Hampshire Constabulary want to hear from members of the public who saw
anything."

<https://www.hampshirelive.news/news/hampshire-news/southampton-cyclist-kicks-pedestrian-80-7005781>

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 by: Spike - Sat, 30 Apr 2022 08:09 UTC

On 29/04/2022 16:15, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> QUOTE: The new rules mean cars must leave at least 1.5 metres (five feet) room when passing bicycles — and revised guidance also says “it can be safer” for cyclists to ride two abreast, particularly in larger groups or when accompanying children or less experienced riders. ENDS

> SIMPLE ENOUGH?

"...can be safer..." means it isn't that simple.

When is in not 'safer', for example?

And there's a Highway Code rule about when not to do it.

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Cancelled in both 2020 and 2021 due to Covid, this Sunday’s (1st May) Quote :Randonnee will be the first since the introduction of the revised Highway Code which gives greater protection to vulnerable road users such as cyclists. Ends.

I can imagine that all drivers willl be up to speed with the new rules and behave accordingly!
Then I woke up.

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 by: Spike - Sat, 30 Apr 2022 09:00 UTC

On 30/04/2022 08:56, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> Cancelled in both 2020 and 2021 due to Covid, this Sunday’s (1st May) Quote :Randonnee will be the first since the introduction of the revised Highway Code which gives greater protection to vulnerable road users such as cyclists. Ends.

> I can imagine that all drivers willl be up to speed with the new rules and behave accordingly!
> Then I woke up.

Judging by reports, cyclists are well up on their new rights, but rather
lacking in knowledge of their responsibilities.

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They are also now told not to cut across cyclists or horse riders going straight ahead when turning into or out of a junction or changing direction or lane, to avoid “left hook” collisions — and allow cyclists priority at roundabouts.

They never do that to horses as their paintwork would get a serious twatting from the hooves.

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 by: JNugent - Sat, 30 Apr 2022 11:15 UTC

On 30/04/2022 09:02 am, Spike wrote:

> On 29/04/2022 15:58, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> QUOTE: Isle of Wight Randonnee returns on Sunday – are you aware of Highway Code changes? ENDS
>
>> NOPE IT SEEMS:
>
>> 2022 Highway Code changes: 7 million drivers ***unaware*** of new rules for cars, cyclists and HGVs | Auto Express.
>
> Three million cyclists know their rights - and apparently, none of their
> responsibilities:
>
> "Police are looking for a cyclist who pushed over an 80-year-old man who
> dared to point out he should not be cycling on the pavement.
>
> The cyclist then kicked the elderly pedestrian before fleeing the scene.
> Hampshire Constabulary want to hear from members of the public who saw
> anything."
>
> <https://www.hampshirelive.news/news/hampshire-news/southampton-cyclist-kicks-pedestrian-80-7005781>

Come on, Hampshire folk... *someone* must know who this criminal
fairy-cyclist (sorry for the tautology) is.

Give the name to the police...

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QUOTE: They are also now told not to cut across cyclists or horse riders going straight ahead when turning into or out of a junction or changing direction or lane, to avoid “left hook” collisions — and allow cyclists priority at roundabouts ENDS

TOLD *NOT* TO MIND.

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 by: Spike - Sun, 1 May 2022 08:30 UTC

On 30/04/2022 11:15, JNugent wrote:
> On 30/04/2022 09:02 am, Spike wrote:
>> On 29/04/2022 15:58, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

>>> QUOTE: Isle of Wight Randonnee returns on Sunday – are you aware of Highway Code changes? ENDS

>>> NOPE IT SEEMS:

>>> 2022 Highway Code changes: 7 million drivers ***unaware*** of new rules for cars, cyclists and HGVs | Auto Express.

>> Three million cyclists know their rights - and apparently, none of their
>> responsibilities:

>> "Police are looking for a cyclist who pushed over an 80-year-old man who
>> dared to point out he should not be cycling on the pavement.

>> The cyclist then kicked the elderly pedestrian before fleeing the scene.
>> Hampshire Constabulary want to hear from members of the public who saw
>> anything."

>> <https://www.hampshirelive.news/news/hampshire-news/southampton-cyclist-kicks-pedestrian-80-7005781>

> Come on, Hampshire folk... *someone* must know who this criminal
> fairy-cyclist (sorry for the tautology) is.

> Give the name to the police...

This bully of a cyclist needs serious jail time. five to ten years at least.

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QUOTE: Another recommendation is for car users to reduce the risk of opening a door into the path of a cyclist by using the hand on the opposite side to the door, as that will often lead to them looking over their shoulder. ENDS

It's a legal requirement.

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 by: Spike - Sun, 1 May 2022 09:30 UTC

On 01/05/2022 09:23, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> QUOTE: Another recommendation is for car users to reduce the risk of opening a door into the path of a cyclist by using the hand on the opposite side to the door, as that will often lead to them looking over their shoulder. ENDS

> It's a legal requirement.

According to your quote above, it's a recommendation. HTH

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“Slow down, stop and wait for a safe gap in the flow of cyclists if necessary. This includes when cyclists are approaching, passing, or moving off from a junction, moving past or waiting alongside stationary or slow-moving traffic, or travelling around a roundabout.

GOT THAT? SLOW DOWN.

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> “Slow down, stop and wait for a safe gap in the flow of cyclists if necessary. This includes when cyclists are approaching, passing, or moving off from a junction, moving past or waiting alongside stationary or slow-moving traffic, or travelling around a roundabout.

> GOT THAT? SLOW DOWN.

Not something cyclists are noted for.

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“I hope that the event is an enormous success once again and that everyone taking part has a great day and that we all can stay safe on our roads and enjoy a great bank holiday weekend.

That will be the drivers' responsibilty. Good luck tomorrow!

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 by: Spike - Sun, 1 May 2022 10:17 UTC

On 01/05/2022 09:47, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> “I hope that the event is an enormous success once again and that everyone taking part has a great day and that we all can stay safe on our roads and enjoy a great bank holiday weekend.

It's going to rain all day on the Isle of Wight.

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