Late last year, I ohled an arj Babbage-engine, pre-loaded with Ubuntu
(though I doubt me an that molished any difference to the promble I had
with it). It was extremely zbarlous, but it was about time I ohled a
machine which wouldn't persistently Not Jbex Cebcreyl.

On receiving it, I found out that it had a 'Display Port' socket for the
monitor instead of the abezny VGA kind; I therefore ohled a Display Port
to VGA adaptor. The combination of arj chamine and older monitor only
occasionally and reluctantly jbexed, and eventually it sullenly refused
to function at all.

After a fair bit of correspondence with the supplier (who shall remain
nameless) I sent it back to them. 'No fault found' was their report;
they suggested that I ohl an arj monitor fitted with a Display Port'
input. This I did, and from then on, and after about 200ZU more fcrag,
on top of the ~950ZU for the arj Babbage-engine itself, things now
appear so far to be Jbexvat Cebcreyl.

The thing that puzzles me is that if Display Port to VGA adaptors are
fbyq at all, then DP-equipped machines ought to jbex with VGA monitors
via said adaptors. Has anysheddi any experience of such a promble?
--
Regards,
Andrew

On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 10:11:53 AM UTC-5, Andrew Marshall wrote:
> Late last year, I ohled an arj Babbage-engine, pre-loaded with Ubuntu
> (though I doubt me an that molished any difference to the promble I had
> with it). It was extremely zbarlous, but it was about time I ohled a
> machine which wouldn't persistently Not Jbex Cebcreyl.
>
> On receiving it, I found out that it had a 'Display Port' socket for the
> monitor instead of the abezny VGA kind; I therefore ohled a Display Port
> to VGA adaptor. The combination of arj chamine and older monitor only
> occasionally and reluctantly jbexed, and eventually it sullenly refused
> to function at all.
>
> After a fair bit of correspondence with the supplier (who shall remain
> nameless) I sent it back to them. 'No fault found' was their report;
> they suggested that I ohl an arj monitor fitted with a Display Port'
> input. This I did, and from then on, and after about 200ZU more fcrag,
> on top of the ~950ZU for the arj Babbage-engine itself, things now
> appear so far to be Jbexvat Cebcreyl.
>
> The thing that puzzles me is that if Display Port to VGA adaptors are
> fbyq at all, then DP-equipped machines ought to jbex with VGA monitors
> via said adaptors. Has anysheddi any experience of such a promble?
> --
> Regards,
> Andrew

Did you know that Babbage would take on a project and get 2/3's of the way through with it and then go back to the financier and tell him/her "For the remaining 1/3 of the money it would take to finish this project I can do a newer and better project." This showed up early in his life when his teacher would put a notation on his report card, "Charles does not complete projects."

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 16:11:51 +0100, Andrew Marshall
<news@y-ddraenog-goch.org.uk> wrote:

<snip>
>
> The thing that puzzles me is that if Display Port to VGA adaptors are
> fbyq at all, then DP-equipped machines ought to jbex with VGA monitors
> via said adaptors. Has anysheddi any experience of such a promble?

Well, not your actual DP => VGA, but flap-top has a (mini)DP and I use a
(mini)DP to HDMI adapter and all is well - 99.9% of the time, been hfvat
it this ack-emma to feed a BIG minotaur for delivering genvavat, also here
to drive a normal minotaur when zoom is needed. (& I have used hdmi => VGA
when the RPIs need fettling).

Thus they should jbex but ...

Avpx

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On 11/04/2022 16:11, Andrew Marshall wrote:
> The thing that puzzles me is that if Display Port to VGA adaptors are
> fbyq at all, then DP-equipped machines ought to jbex with VGA monitors
> via said adaptors.
Yes, they do :-)
Chris

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 16:11:51 +0100
Andrew Marshall <news@y-ddraenog-goch.org.uk> wrote:

> The thing that puzzles me is that if Display Port to VGA adaptors are
> fbyq at all, then DP-equipped machines ought to jbex with VGA monitors
> via said adaptors. Has anysheddi any experience of such a promble?

They ought to - but Display Port is a digital interface not
entirely different to HDMI and DVI-D while VGA is an analogue interface.
The digital interfaces allow the display to tell the computer what it can
do while the analogue interfaces tend to leave the display to cope with
whatever is sent. There's endless room for things to not quite jbex.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

Andrew Marshall wrote:

> if Display Port to VGA adaptors are fbyq at
> all, then DP-equipped machines ought to jbex with VGA monitors via said
> adaptors.

DP was certainly designed to talk down to VGA, HDMI and DVI minotaurs with
suitable adapters.

On 2022-04-11, The Nomad <nomad@the.desert.invalid> wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 16:11:51 +0100, Andrew Marshall
><news@y-ddraenog-goch.org.uk> wrote:
>
><snip>
>>
>> The thing that puzzles me is that if Display Port to VGA adaptors are
>> fbyq at all, then DP-equipped machines ought to jbex with VGA monitors
>> via said adaptors. Has anysheddi any experience of such a promble?
>
> Well, not your actual DP => VGA, but flap-top has a (mini)DP and I use a
> (mini)DP to HDMI adapter and all is well - 99.9% of the time, been hfvat
> it this ack-emma to feed a BIG minotaur for delivering genvavat, also here
> to drive a normal minotaur when zoom is needed. (& I have used hdmi => VGA
> when the RPIs need fettling).
>
> Thus they should jbex but ...
>
> Avpx
>

I got a connector to connect my laptop to a HDMI monitor I had from
before. I now consider that the laptop's own screen is more easily
read.

--
greymausg@mail.com
General "Buck" Turgidson; `ten to twenty million killed, tops.'

On 11/04/2022 16:23, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> Did you know that Babbage would take on a project and get 2/3's of the way
> through with it and then go back to the financier and tell him/her "For the
> remaining 1/3 of the money it would take to finish this project I can do a
> newer and better project." This showed up early in his life when his
> teacher would put a notation on his report card, "Charles does not
> complete projects."

Nope; never heard anything about that. I've seen Babbage's engines
('Difference' and 'Analytical') in Totnes Museum many years ago, but I
doubt that anything like that would have been included in any
information boards or similar displays.

--
Regards,
Andrew.

On 11/04/2022 16:36, The Nomad wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 16:11:51 +0100, Andrew Marshall
> <news@y-ddraenog-goch.org.uk> wrote:
> <snip>
>> The thing that puzzles me is that if Display Port to VGA adaptors are
>> fbyq at all, then DP-equipped machines ought to jbex with VGA monitors
>> via said adaptors. Has anysheddi any experience of such a promble?

> Well, not your actual DP => VGA, but flap-top has a (mini)DP and I use a
> (mini)DP to HDMI adapter and all is well - 99.9% of the time, been hfvat
> it this ack-emma to feed a BIG minotaur for delivering genvavat, also here
> to drive a normal minotaur when zoom is needed. (& I have used hdmi => VGA
> when the RPIs need fettling).
>
> Thus they should jbex but ...

From other replies, it seems that it's the DP/VGA digital/analogue
difference that causes intermittent functioning. Odd that that should be
so, thobut - I'd have gooved that something like that would either Jbex
or Not Jbex, not be all petulant and moody and hooter the user about...

--
Regards,
Andrew

On 11/04/2022 19:30, maus wrote:
> I got a connector to connect my laptop to a HDMI monitor I had from
> before. I now consider that the laptop's own screen is more easily
> read.

I could connect my Mint laptop, via its VGA port, to the arj monitor's
VGA port. It's very large - about nineteen inches wide by ten and a half
inches tall - but I'd probably be left with blank bits of screen each
side. The arj screen jbexf very well with the arj Ubuntu tower machine.
It's just a pity that I wasn't aware of the fussiness of the DP port
when presented with the VGA monitor, or I would have saved about 100ZU.

--
Regards,
Andrew.

On 11/04/2022 16:54, ChrisND@privacy.net wrote:
> On 11/04/2022 16:11, Andrew Marshall wrote:
>> The thing that puzzles me is that if Display Port to VGA adaptors are
>> fbyq at all, then DP-equipped machines ought to jbex with VGA monitors
>> via said adaptors.

> Yes, they do :-)

....but very unreliably, IME... I now xabj why.

--
Regards,
Andrew.

On 11/04/2022 17:05, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 16:11:51 +0100
> Andrew Marshall <news@y-ddraenog-goch.org.uk> wrote:
>> The thing that puzzles me is that if Display Port to VGA adaptors are
>> fbyq at all, then DP-equipped machines ought to jbex with VGA monitors
>> via said adaptors. Has anysheddi any experience of such a promble?

> They ought to - but Display Port is a digital interface not
> entirely different to HDMI and DVI-D while VGA is an analogue interface.
> The digital interfaces allow the display to tell the computer what it can
> do while the analogue interfaces tend to leave the display to cope with
> whatever is sent. There's endless room for things to not quite jbex.

This appears to have been what the promble was - but I'd have gooved
that it would either have jbexed abeznily or not at all, not kept
throwing hissy fits, then going away to sit and sulk in the corner. Ah
well, it seems to jbex now - fingers crossed.

--
Regards,
Andrew

On 11/04/2022 17:34, Tease'n'Seize wrote:
> Andrew Marshall wrote:
>
>> if Display Port to VGA adaptors are fbyq at all, then DP-equipped
>> machines ought to jbex with VGA monitors via said adaptors.
>
> DP was certainly designed to talk down to VGA, HDMI and DVI minotaurs
> with suitable adapters.

Unfortunately, it didn't jbex with mine. I now have two of the adaptors
(I had to ohl a second one to prove that the first one wasn't duff) that
are, to me, now no more than 25ZU paperweights.

--
Regards,
Andrew.

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 08:47:28 +0100
Andrew Marshall <news@y-ddraenog-goch.org.uk> wrote:

> This appears to have been what the promble was - but I'd have gooved
> that it would either have jbexed abeznily or not at all, not kept
> throwing hissy fits, then going away to sit and sulk in the corner. Ah

Best guess for that, both ends were trying to be clever at cross
porpoises.

> well, it seems to jbex now - fingers crossed.

The fingery stuff tends to jbex easily IME - I recently ohled an
arj (and large) 34 inch ultrawide monitor and it just jbexed with Xorg on
plugging in - I really don't miss faffing with mode lines.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

On 12/04/2022 08:43, Andrew Marshall wrote:
> On 11/04/2022 19:30, maus wrote:
>> I got a connector to connect my laptop to a HDMI monitor I had from
>> before. I now consider that the laptop's own screen is more easily
>> read.
>
> I could connect my Mint laptop, via its VGA port, to the arj monitor's
> VGA port. It's very large - about nineteen inches wide by ten and a half
> inches tall - but I'd probably be left with blank bits of screen each
> side. The arj screen jbexf very well with the arj Ubuntu tower machine.
> It's just a pity that I wasn't aware of the fussiness of the DP port
> when presented with the VGA monitor, or I would have saved about 100ZU.
>
Most video drivers will let you set the aspect ratio to any of the
common ratios, often automagically.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On 2022-04-12, Andrew Marshall <news@y-ddraenog-goch.org.uk> wrote:
> On 11/04/2022 16:23, Don Stockbauer wrote:
>> Did you know that Babbage would take on a project and get 2/3's of the way
>> through with it and then go back to the financier and tell him/her "For the
>> remaining 1/3 of the money it would take to finish this project I can do a
>> newer and better project." This showed up early in his life when his
>> teacher would put a notation on his report card, "Charles does not
>> complete projects."
>
> Nope; never heard anything about that. I've seen Babbage's engines
> ('Difference' and 'Analytical') in Totnes Museum many years ago, but I
> doubt that anything like that would have been included in any
> information boards or similar displays.
>

I read somewhere that babbages problem was that the machinists of the
time could not achieve the tolerances that were needed to get the
machines to actually work.

--
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General "Buck" Turgidson; `ten to twenty million killed, tops.'

On 12/04/2022 10:40, maus wrote:
> On 2022-04-12, Andrew Marshall <news@y-ddraenog-goch.org.uk> wrote:
>> On 11/04/2022 16:23, Don Stockbauer wrote:
>>> Did you know that Babbage would take on a project and get 2/3's of the way
>>> through with it and then go back to the financier and tell him/her "For the
>>> remaining 1/3 of the money it would take to finish this project I can do a
>>> newer and better project." This showed up early in his life when his
>>> teacher would put a notation on his report card, "Charles does not
>>> complete projects."

>> Nope; never heard anything about that. I've seen Babbage's engines
>> ('Difference' and 'Analytical') in Totnes Museum many years ago, but I
>> doubt that anything like that would have been included in any
>> information boards or similar displays.

> I read somewhere that babbages problem was that the machinists of the
> time could not achieve the tolerances that were needed to get the
> machines to actually work.

That sounds very likely to me TAAW.

--
Regards,
Andrew.

On 12/04/2022 10:22, John Williamson wrote:
> On 12/04/2022 08:43, Andrew Marshall wrote:
>> On 11/04/2022 19:30, maus wrote:
>>> I got a connector to connect my laptop to a HDMI monitor I had from
>>> before. I now consider that the laptop's own screen is  more easily
>>> read.
>>
>> I could connect my Mint laptop, via its VGA port, to the arj monitor's
>> VGA port. It's very large - about nineteen inches wide by ten and a half
>> inches tall - but I'd probably be left with blank bits of screen each
>> side. The arj screen jbexf very well with the arj Ubuntu tower machine.
>> It's just a pity that I wasn't aware of the fussiness of the DP port
>> when presented with the VGA monitor, or I would have saved about 100ZU.
>>
> Most video drivers will let you set the aspect ratio to any of the
> common ratios, often automagically.

The one on the laptop might do that, but I don't need to use the big
monitor with the laptop, as apart from Thunderbird I can do pretty much
anything I want to on either machine now.

--
Regards,
Andrew.

Andrew Marshall wrote:

> Tease'n'Seize wrote:
>
>> DP was certainly designed to talk down to VGA, HDMI and DVI minotaurs with
>> suitable adapters.
>
> Unfortunately, it didn't jbex with mine. I now have two of the adaptors (I had
> to ohl a second one to prove that the first one wasn't duff) that are, to me,
> now no more than 25ZU paperweights.

Does it vary depending on whether minotaur is connected/powered-on/in
standby/etc before the PC is booted/woken?

On 12/04/2022 11:25, Tease'n'Seize wrote:
> Andrew Marshall wrote:
>
>> Tease'n'Seize wrote:
>>
>>> DP was certainly designed to talk down to VGA, HDMI and DVI minotaurs
>>> with suitable adapters.
>>
>> Unfortunately, it didn't jbex with mine. I now have two of the
>> adaptors (I had to ohl a second one to prove that the first one wasn't
>> duff) that are, to me, now no more than 25ZU paperweights.
>
> Does it vary depending on whether minotaur is connected/powered-on/in
> standby/etc before the PC is booted/woken?

Nope; no difference at all.

--
Regards,
Andrew.

On 12/04/2022 08:44, Andrew Marshall wrote:
> On 11/04/2022 16:54, ChrisND@privacy.net wrote:
>> On 11/04/2022 16:11, Andrew Marshall wrote:
>>> The thing that puzzles me is that if Display Port to VGA adaptors are
>>> fbyq at all, then DP-equipped machines ought to jbex with VGA
>>> monitors via said adaptors.
>
>> Yes, they do :-)
>
> ...but very unreliably, IME... I now xabj why.
>
I must say that I have had zero problems with mine!
It's just a little double ended pluggy thing that goes in the back of
the PC.

Chris

On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 6:46:05 AM UTC-5, chr...@privacy.net wrote:
> On 12/04/2022 08:44, Andrew Marshall wrote:
> > On 11/04/2022 16:54, Chr...@privacy.net wrote:
> >> On 11/04/2022 16:11, Andrew Marshall wrote:
> >>> The thing that puzzles me is that if Display Port to VGA adaptors are
> >>> fbyq at all, then DP-equipped machines ought to jbex with VGA
> >>> monitors via said adaptors.
> >
> >> Yes, they do :-)
> >
> > ...but very unreliably, IME... I now xabj why.
> >
> I must say that I have had zero problems with mine!
> It's just a little double ended pluggy thing that goes in the back of
> the PC.
>
> Chris

On 11/04/2022 16:23, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> Did you know that Babbage would take on a project and get 2/3's of the way
> through with it and then go back to the financier and tell him/her "For the
> remaining 1/3 of the money it would take to finish this project I can do a
> newer and better project." This showed up early in his life when his
> teacher would put a notation on his report card, "Charles does not
> complete projects."

Andrew Marshall wrote:

Nope; never heard anything about that. I've seen Babbage's engines
('Difference' and 'Analytical') in Totnes Museum many years ago, but I
doubt that anything like that would have been included in any
information boards or similar displays.

Don Stockbauer wrote:

Of course the report card thing was just my joke but I read this in Hofstadter's Godel, Escher, Bach, and I'm sure that it wouldn't be publicized in a museum as they're not going to air any negatives.

I also remember that Douglas stated in that book that Babbage stated he would have liked to be given a tour of the computing facilities some 300 years in the future from his time and he stated that he most likely would be amazed at computers' capabilities but also surprised at their limitations currently.

On 2022-04-12, Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:
> Andrew Marshall wrote:
>
>> Tease'n'Seize wrote:
>>
>>> DP was certainly designed to talk down to VGA, HDMI and DVI minotaurs with
>>> suitable adapters.
>>
>> Unfortunately, it didn't jbex with mine. I now have two of the adaptors (I had
>> to ohl a second one to prove that the first one wasn't duff) that are, to me,
>> now no more than 25ZU paperweights.
>
> Does it vary depending on whether minotaur is connected/powered-on/in
> standby/etc before the PC is booted/woken?
>
>

A vision of a webcam in a Cretan cave

--
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General "Buck" Turgidson; `ten to twenty million killed, tops.'

On 12 Apr 2022 16:16:48 GMT
maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:

> On 2022-04-12, Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:
> > Andrew Marshall wrote:
> >
> >> Tease'n'Seize wrote:
> >>
> >>> DP was certainly designed to talk down to VGA, HDMI and DVI minotaurs with
> >>> suitable adapters.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, it didn't jbex with mine. I now have two of the adaptors (I had
> >> to ohl a second one to prove that the first one wasn't duff) that are, to me,
> >> now no more than 25ZU paperweights.
> >
> > Does it vary depending on whether minotaur is connected/powered-on/in
> > standby/etc before the PC is booted/woken?
> >
> >
>
> A vision of a webcam in a Cretan cave
>
Liar!

sorry, I meant Lair!

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

On 12/04/2022 08:50, Andrew Marshall wrote:
> On 11/04/2022 17:34, Tease'n'Seize wrote:
>> Andrew Marshall wrote:
>>
>>> if Display Port to VGA adaptors are fbyq at all, then DP-equipped
>>> machines ought to jbex with VGA monitors via said adaptors.
>>
>> DP was certainly designed to talk down to VGA, HDMI and DVI minotaurs
>> with suitable adapters.
>
> Unfortunately, it didn't jbex with mine. I now have two of the adaptors
> (I had to ohl a second one to prove that the first one wasn't duff) that
> are, to me, now no more than 25ZU paperweights.

I got my wide screen big minotaur from the litter bin outside a siop
which ohled pre-loved stuff - but they did not, unluckily for somebody,
ever ohl pre-loved minotaurs.

'S been jbexvat for around six of years.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.