On Wed, 03 Nov 2021 11:13:53 +0000 (GMT), Bob Latham
<bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

>In article <598589798dbob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
> Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <61824ff0.3103203@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> Don Pearce <spam@spam.com> wrote:
>> > On Wed, 03 Nov 2021 08:57:33 +0000 (GMT), Bob Latham
>> > <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> > >OK fine but I'm not lying, why on earth would I?
>
>> > I wasn't imagining for one moment that you were lying.
>
>> Thanks.
>
>> > I'm well aware that many differing versions of soundtracks get
>> > released, and probably a new mastering engineer gets involved at
>> > every print run. If you want, you can extract the offending bit of
>> > yours in WAV or FLAC format and I can take a look at it. I'd be
>> > interested to see the difference.
>
>> Thanks for that Don.
>
>> Actually, I had a quick look for the disc this morning and didn't
>> find it. That doesn't mean I don't have it anymore it may just be in
>> the loft but it is possible SWMBO has taken it to a charity shop.
>
>> I'll have a better look later.
>
>
>I've found it !
>
>5.1 DTS.
>
>If it was a stereo CD extracting to flac or WAV 99.99% of the time
>really easy. But extracting 5.1 DTS from a DVD, how would I do that?
>
>Bob.

I did it with VLC - the media player. When you extract to stereo all
the other channels get mixed in at ratios determined by "a standard",
although that seems to be a very loose description of what typically
happens.

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In article <iu5hu7Fik6tU2@mid.individual.net>, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> scribeth thus
>On 31/10/2021 12:00 am, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>> In article <iu44frFa899U1@mid.individual.net>,
>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>> On 30/10/2021 2:20 am, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>>> In article <5980dbe7a3noise@audiomisc.co.uk>,
>>>> Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In article <597fe5b064dave@davenoise.co.uk>, Dave Plowman (News)
>>>>> <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Yes. It's the BBC crossover that produces the squack. Not the input
>>>>>> balance transformer. But oddly not every example does it to the same
>>>>>> degree.
>>>>
>>>>> Curious. Any details?
>>>>
>>>> Sadly not, although you'll find the circuit online easily enough, if
>>>> you want to make a guess.
>>>>
>>>> It defeated the studio engineers at TVC when they arrived there. Many
>>>> a coffee was spilt when switching on a very quiet control room first
>>>> thing - until people came to expect it. But why seemingly identical
>>>> ones made a very different noise, I dunno.
>>>>
>>>> With my original LS5/8 with Quad 405/2 amps (BBC AM 8/16) I fitted
>>>> timed muting relays on the crossover outputs. Not only did that stop
>>>> the crossover quack but stopped any thump from the pre-amp powering up
>>>> too.
>>>>
>>
>>> **Amateurs. The power amp/s and the preamp I use are not fitted with any
>>> muting system of any kind. No relays. Nothing. They can be switched on
>>> in any order and there is no thump. Of course, the designer is very
>>> clever and dedicated engineer, who knows how to design audio gear the
>>> right way. The only protection system is as I described earlier. A relay
>>> driven TRIAC disconnects mains power under various fault scenarios.
>>
>> You've missed your vocation. You should have designed speakers and amps
>> for the BBC, then. ;-)
>>
>

>**I am not the designer. The designer is MUCH clevererer than I am.

Well that shouldn't be too difficult HoHoHo!!!....

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Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.

On 2/11/2021 8:41 pm, Jim Lesurf wrote:
> In article <iuaudpFjf7hU1@mid.individual.net>, Trevor Wilson
> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>
>> **I'll take your word for it. I have a few (3) stereo systems. No home
>> cinema systems.
>
> FWIW we simply use a stereo setup connected to the TV. Stereo, so choose
> the stereo or stereo-mixdown by default. Not noticed encountering anything
> like Bob has, so far as I know.
>
> Jim
>

**Since I don't have a copy of the movie, that might be difficult. I
have my doubts that such a problem exists.

In article <iug9gcFk96mU1@mid.individual.net>,
Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

> I have my doubts that such a problem exists.

Would you clarify that please?

Are you suggesting I made it up?

Are you suggesting I made up what Arcam said?

If so, why would I do that?

Bob.

On 4/11/2021 6:44 pm, Bob Latham wrote:
> In article <iug9gcFk96mU1@mid.individual.net>,
> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>
>> I have my doubts that such a problem exists.
>
> Would you clarify that please?
>
> Are you suggesting I made it up?
>
> Are you suggesting I made up what Arcam said?
>
> If so, why would I do that?
>
>
> Bob.
>

**It would be unlikely that such an artefact would be released from a
major production house. I note that Phil has provided his measurements.
Phil is very comfortable with measurement equipment and it's correct use.

On Fri, 5 Nov 2021 06:20:52 +1100, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

>On 4/11/2021 6:44 pm, Bob Latham wrote:
>> In article <iug9gcFk96mU1@mid.individual.net>,
>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> I have my doubts that such a problem exists.
>>
>> Would you clarify that please?
>>
>> Are you suggesting I made it up?
>>
>> Are you suggesting I made up what Arcam said?
>>
>> If so, why would I do that?
>>
>>
>> Bob.
>>
>
>**It would be unlikely that such an artefact would be released from a
>major production house. I note that Phil has provided his measurements.
>Phil is very comfortable with measurement equipment and it's correct use.

"It's" ?

And mine is the only measurement I have seen presented so far.

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In article <iuiq4mF4guvU1@mid.individual.net>,
Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
> On 4/11/2021 6:44 pm, Bob Latham wrote:
> > In article <iug9gcFk96mU1@mid.individual.net>,
> > Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >> I have my doubts that such a problem exists.
> >
> > Would you clarify that please?
> >
> > Are you suggesting I made it up?
> >
> > Are you suggesting I made up what Arcam said?
> >
> > If so, why would I do that?
> >
> >
> > Bob.
> >

> **It would be unlikely that such an artefact would be released from
> a major production house.

I see.

Bob.

Trevor Wilson wrote:
================
>
> **It would be unlikely that such an artefact would be released from a
> major production house. I note that Phil has provided his measurements.
> Phil is very comfortable with measurement equipment and it's correct use.

** Update:

Mr Latham did not make it clear if the issue only happens with a *DTS 5.1 decoder* in use.
Nor did he say which channel / s the offset appears in.
A DC offset has a polarity too.

Seems someone at Arcam did a test ( not further described ) and saw a long ( 400mS) sub sonic with a peak of 0.5V.
Too many " ifs " for me.

....... Phil

In article <26c4f959-ba8a-4238-9a0b-052ace74dc16n@googlegroups.com>,
Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:
> Trevor Wilson wrote:
> ================
> >
> > **It would be unlikely that such an artefact would be released from a
> > major production house. I note that Phil has provided his measurements.
> > Phil is very comfortable with measurement equipment and it's correct use.

> ** Update:

> Mr Latham did not make it clear if the issue only happens with a *DTS 5.1 decoder* in use.
> Nor did he say which channel / s the offset appears in.
> A DC offset has a polarity too.

> Seems someone at Arcam did a test ( not further described ) and saw a long ( 400mS) sub sonic with a peak of 0.5V.
> Too many " ifs " for me.

> ...... Phil

So on the one hand I told a story that was exactly as it happened
because it was relevant to a conversation taking place.

On the other hand for some unknown reason, I went to the trouble to
make up a fanciful tale and invented a senior engineer and his name
at Arcam and fabricated a note from him to back my story up.

For those cynical enough to think the second is true thanks very much
but I can assure you, your judgement is seriously impaired.

Bob.

In article <5986451420bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <26c4f959-ba8a-4238-9a0b-052ace74dc16n@googlegroups.com>,
> Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Mr Latham did not make it clear if the issue only happens with a
> > *DTS 5.1 decoder* in use.

I don't recall 14 years back, I just remember that at that time I
always used DTS if it was available.

> > Nor did he say which channel / s the offset appears in. A DC
> > offset has a polarity too.

I don't think I ever knew that, it may have been shown by which
channels tripped out but I can't remember.

> > Seems someone at Arcam did a test ( not further described )

I told you his name - Andy Dutton and his position of Senior
Engineer.

> > and saw a long ( 400mS) sub sonic with a peak of 0.5V. Too many "
> > ifs " for me.

In which case don't believe me.

I suppose just for the sake of clarity (I don't expect to be
believed) that I don't know what channel caused the issue. I don't
even know if it was the .1 channel because before about 2008, I
didn't have a sub woofer or a centre channel speaker, I had a 4.0
system using phantom mode so the .1 and the centre were merged into
the L/R fronts. It *may* be that not all channels on the P7 shut down
and a clue could have been obtained from that but it was around 17
years ago, I can't remember, convenient I know.

I'm no longer using the AV8 either (no HDMI) but the P7 is still in
use.

Bob.

In article <59858ba18dbob@sick-of-spam.invalid>, Bob Latham
<bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

> Not seen the disc for some time and couldn't find it this morning. I'll
> have another look later. It would have been a 5.1 output I'm sure,
> either dolby or DTS. I will try to confirm later.

It may be that they stuck 'earthquake effects' onto the '.1' part but
omitted that from the 'lesser' tracks. Simply to help 'sell' surround sound
to punters. Then over-did it because it seemed OK when they played it back
on their own system.

Jim

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In article <59858cc06ebob@sick-of-spam.invalid>, Bob Latham
<bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

> If it was a stereo CD extracting to flac or WAV 99.99% of the time
> really easy. But extracting 5.1 DTS from a DVD, how would I do that?

Handbrake or VLC. Handbrake is easier to use, albeit still can be a bit
difficult to suss out some settings needed for a given purpose.

Jim

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In article <iug9gcFk96mU1@mid.individual.net>, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
> > FWIW we simply use a stereo setup connected to the TV. Stereo, so
> > choose the stereo or stereo-mixdown by default. Not noticed
> > encountering anything like Bob has, so far as I know.
> >
> > Jim
> >

> **Since I don't have a copy of the movie, that might be difficult. I
> have my doubts that such a problem exists.

I don't have a copy of that disc, either, but that just means I can't tell
independently. See no reason to doubt that Bob's system 'trips', so the
curio is what's on the disc.

Jim

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In article <59860aeb3fnoise@audiomisc.co.uk>,
Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <iug9gcFk96mU1@mid.individual.net>, Trevor Wilson
> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
> > > FWIW we simply use a stereo setup connected to the TV. Stereo, so
> > > choose the stereo or stereo-mixdown by default. Not noticed
> > > encountering anything like Bob has, so far as I know.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >

> > **Since I don't have a copy of the movie, that might be
> > difficult. I have my doubts that such a problem exists.

> I don't have a copy of that disc, either, but that just means I
> can't tell independently. See no reason to doubt that Bob's system
> 'trips', so the curio is what's on the disc.

Thank you for that Jim.

Bob.

In article <59860abebbnoise@audiomisc.co.uk>,
Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <59858cc06ebob@sick-of-spam.invalid>, Bob Latham
> <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

> > If it was a stereo CD extracting to flac or WAV 99.99% of the
> > time really easy. But extracting 5.1 DTS from a DVD, how would I
> > do that?

> Handbrake or VLC. Handbrake is easier to use, albeit still can be a
> bit difficult to suss out some settings needed for a given purpose.

I've realised that doing this is fraught with difficulties.

1. I don't use the AV8 any longer as it didn't have HDMI. Will my
current AV860 pass the DC in the same way from HDMI, digital is
digital but I don't know.

2. I don't know what channel to record and I only have The Arcam
engineer's comments to guide me where to look in time on the disc.

3. Working out how to use VLC to do this, I Presume Handbrake is
Linux.

4. Even if I turn up with a flac or wav file showing the DC, our
cousins down under will likely claim I've faked it, they have form.

I'll think about it.

Bob.

In article <26c4f959-ba8a-4238-9a0b-052ace74dc16n@googlegroups.com>,
Phil
Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:
> Trevor Wilson wrote: ================
> >
> > **It would be unlikely that such an artefact would be released from a
> > major production house. I note that Phil has provided his
> > measurements. Phil is very comfortable with measurement equipment and
> > it's correct use.

> ** Update:

> Mr Latham did not make it clear if the issue only happens with a *DTS
> 5.1 decoder* in use. Nor did he say which channel / s the offset appears
> in. A DC offset has a polarity too.

> Seems someone at Arcam did a test ( not further described ) and saw a
> long ( 400mS) sub sonic with a peak of 0.5V. Too many " ifs " for me.

Not sure if it is relevant here but: Some years ago I used to use an Arcam
DVD player. This had a few odd quirks. One was that on a couple of DVDs a
specifc part of the audio would cause the following sound to develop a
'whistle' tone that only would end when the disc was ejected. Play the
section from just after when the whistle had started, no whistle. Seemed
that on some discs something about the audio caused this to start.

Other players didn't do it. Most discs didn't do it.

The player eventually developed a different fault, so I now use a different
player that can also do other things like BD, files on USB sticks, etc.
This works nicely.

So Bob's observed behaviour *might* be accurately reported, but assigns the
cause incorrectly.

Jim

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Jim Lesurf is a Sad Case wrote:
=========================
>
>
> > **Since I don't have a copy of the movie, that might be difficult. I
> > have my doubts that such a problem exists.
>
> I don't have a copy of that disc, either, but that just means I can't tell
> independently. See no reason to doubt that Bob's system 'trips', so the
> curio is what's on the disc.
>

** No fucking way is that *the* question - you ridiculous, bloody imbecile !!!

Neither YOU nor WE have ANY reason to trust such a wacky, non detailed, uncheckable UNSUPPORTED claim.
Same are ANY bloody stupid claim made by ANY audiophool born - ever.

YOU included - especially !!

...... Phil

Jim Lesurf wrote shite AGAIN !!:
======================
>
> > Mr Latham did not make it clear if the issue only happens with a *DTS
> > 5.1 decoder* in use. Nor did he say which channel / s the offset appears
> > in. A DC offset has a polarity too.
>
> > Seems someone at Arcam did a test ( not further described ) and saw a
> > long ( 400mS) sub sonic with a peak of 0.5V. Too many " ifs " for me.
<
>
> So Bob's observed behaviour *might* be accurately reported, but assigns the
> cause incorrectly.

** Jesus fucking Christ Almighty !!!

The " claim " is allegedly from some tool at Arcam - not Latham.
Might well be fucking all made up.

Audiophools are all MONUMENTAL idiots !!
And home theater fools twice as bad.
=============================

...... Phil

In article <5986917779bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>, Bob Latham
<bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <59860abebbnoise@audiomisc.co.uk>, Jim Lesurf
> <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <59858cc06ebob@sick-of-spam.invalid>, Bob Latham
> > <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

> > > If it was a stereo CD extracting to flac or WAV 99.99% of the time
> > > really easy. But extracting 5.1 DTS from a DVD, how would I do that?

> > Handbrake or VLC. Handbrake is easier to use, albeit still can be a
> > bit difficult to suss out some settings needed for a given purpose.

> I've realised that doing this is fraught with difficulties.

> 1. I don't use the AV8 any longer as it didn't have HDMI. Will my
> current AV860 pass the DC in the same way from HDMI, digital is digital
> but I don't know.

> 2. I don't know what channel to record and I only have The Arcam
> engineer's comments to guide me where to look in time on the disc.

> 3. Working out how to use VLC to do this, I Presume Handbrake is Linux.

I use it on Linux, but I've thought it was also available on Windows and
Macs. Someone else may know that!

Handbrake rips the disc. No hardware player needed. So you only need the
disc, not a player. What I don't know is if it can decode DTS as I've never
needed that. But it can be setup to convert audio into a flac audio track
or simply copy it across into a file. e.g. an .mkv file. Here it simply
copies out formats that mkv can hold, and converts other audio into flac.

Then ffmpeg is yer friend. :-) Just use it with '-acodec copy' into an
audio file of the correct format.

Handbrake is a lot easier to use for ripping than VLC. But in some cases
I've found VLC works when Handbrake can't read a disc or image. No idea
why.

Jim

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In article <598691fd59noise@audiomisc.co.uk>,
Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:

> So Bob's observed behaviour *might* be accurately reported, but
> assigns the cause incorrectly.

But that would mean that either I had made up what the Arcam senior
engineer had said or he was part of a scam with a dodgy product. And
on just one place on one disc from a large selection.

Bob.

In article <598694ed6fnoise@audiomisc.co.uk>,
Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:

> I use it on Linux, but I've thought it was also available on
> Windows and Macs. Someone else may know that!

> Handbrake rips the disc. No hardware player needed. So you only
> need the disc, not a player. What I don't know is if it can decode
> DTS as I've never needed that. But it can be setup to convert audio
> into a flac audio track or simply copy it across into a file. e.g.
> an .mkv file. Here it simply copies out formats that mkv can hold,
> and converts other audio into flac.

> Then ffmpeg is yer friend. :-) Just use it with '-acodec copy' into
> an audio file of the correct format.

> Handbrake is a lot easier to use for ripping than VLC. But in some
> cases I've found VLC works when Handbrake can't read a disc or
> image. No idea why.

I have downloaded and installed handbrake.

It scanned my DVD and looked at 9 sections and claimed - No valid
source or titles found.

Log contains these lines...

libdvdnav: Using dvdnav version 6.0.1
libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable.
libdvdread: Can't open F:\AUDIO_TS for reading
libdvdread: Device F:\AUDIO_TS inaccessible, CSS authentication not
available.
libdvdread:DVDOpenFilePath:findDVDFile /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.IFO failed
libdvdread:DVDOpenFilePath:findDVDFile /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.BUP failed
libdvdread: Can't open file VIDEO_TS.IFO.
libdvdnav: vm: failed to read VIDEO_TS.IFO
[11:30:47] dvd: not a dvd - trying as a stream/file instead
[11:30:47] hb_stream_open: open F:\AUDIO_TS failed
[11:30:47] scan: unrecognized file type
[11:30:47] libhb: scan thread found 0 valid title(s)

The disc cover says -
This product carries a genuine hologram. The DVD is copy protected,
which prevents viewable copies being made.

Don't know if protection is the reason Handbrake doesn't seem to be
able to rip the disc but it seems likely to me.

It does play fine in VLC but I've not figured out how to save audio
channels (if it's just the video that is protected). I selected DTS
in the DVD menu.

Assuming Andy's timings were correct...

At 12:38 the dialogue "Seize your weapons and wait for the word"
At 13:39 A whistle.
At 12:40 the dialogue "Your orders sir"

Starts to get noisier at 12:50 canon fire at 13:09

All pretty quiet sound wise at the point Andy said he found the DC.
No drums or canons at all.

As I said this was many years ago but I do recall that the shutdown
came out of the blue with nothing loud or unusual audible at the time.

How do I extract the audio from the 5.1 channels with VLC?

Bob.

In article <26c4f959-ba8a-4238-9a0b-052ace74dc16n@googlegroups.com>,
Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:
> Trevor Wilson wrote:
> ================
> >
> > **It would be unlikely that such an artefact would be released from a
> > major production house. I note that Phil has provided his measurements.
> > Phil is very comfortable with measurement equipment and it's correct use.

> ** Update:

> Mr Latham did not make it clear if the issue only happens with a *DTS 5.1 decoder* in use.
> Nor did he say which channel / s the offset appears in.
> A DC offset has a polarity too.

> Seems someone at Arcam did a test ( not further described ) and saw a long ( 400mS) sub sonic with a peak of 0.5V.
> Too many " ifs " for me.

Right. My last attempt at convincing you lot. If this doesn't
convince you then you'll have to remain cynical and judge everyone by
your own standards, I'm done.

It turns out my memory was at fault slightly. The information from
Andy didn't come direct to me, it came from the Arcam section of AV
Forums. It doesn't appear that the website goes back to 2004 but I
found the thread on my hard drive.

You can read the whole thread at;

http://www.mightyoak.org.uk/kit/p7-thread.txt

I've learned I didn't even start the thread I'm in at number 4. Also
in context comments from John Dawsom Mr. Arcam himself and from Andy
Dutton.

Still don't believe me? Then you're idiots so why should I care.

Bob.

On Fri, 05 Nov 2021 12:12:30 +0000 (GMT), Bob Latham
<bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

>
>How do I extract the audio from the 5.1 channels with VLC?
>
>Bob.

Fire up VLC
From the media menu choose Convert / Save
From either the file or disc menu, choose the source
Press Convert / Save at the bottom of the dialogue
Choose Audio - FLAC as a Profile
Provide a destination file name
Hit Start

That's it. You will get a stereo FLAC file with all the tracks
included

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In article <61853b6e.20979953@news.eternal-september.org>,
Don Pearce <spam@spam.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Nov 2021 12:12:30 +0000 (GMT), Bob Latham
> <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

> >
> >How do I extract the audio from the 5.1 channels with VLC?
> >
> >Bob.

> Fire up VLC
> From the media menu choose Convert / Save
> From either the file or disc menu, choose the source

From the disc menu I select F:\ Master AND Commander

> Press Convert / Save at the bottom of the dialogue

Up to that point I'm fine.

> Choose Audio - FLAC as a Profile

Can't find a way to do this. At this point I'm asked for:
Title 0
Chapter 0
Audio track -1
Subtitle track -1

> Provide a destination file name

I navigated to a folder and entered test.flac as the file name.

> Hit Start

Did that, movie plays but nothing is saved.

> That's it. You will get a stereo FLAC file with all the tracks
> included

I wish.

I'll keep looking...

Bob.

On Fri, 05 Nov 2021 14:37:47 +0000 (GMT), Bob Latham
<bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

>In article <61853b6e.20979953@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Don Pearce <spam@spam.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 05 Nov 2021 12:12:30 +0000 (GMT), Bob Latham
>> <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> >
>> >How do I extract the audio from the 5.1 channels with VLC?
>> >
>> >Bob.
>
>> Fire up VLC
>> From the media menu choose Convert / Save
>> From either the file or disc menu, choose the source
>
>From the disc menu I select F:\ Master AND Commander
>
>> Press Convert / Save at the bottom of the dialogue
>
>Up to that point I'm fine.
>
>> Choose Audio - FLAC as a Profile
>
>Can't find a way to do this. At this point I'm asked for:
>
>Title 0
>Chapter 0
>Audio track -1
>Subtitle track -1
>
>> Provide a destination file name
>
>I navigated to a folder and entered test.flac as the file name.
>
>> Hit Start
>
>Did that, movie plays but nothing is saved.
>
>
>> That's it. You will get a stereo FLAC file with all the tracks
>> included
>
>I wish.
>
>I'll keep looking...
>
>
>Bob.

OK. Not sure where to send you now. Keep trying. I'll have another
look later

d

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