Have a Sony VTX-D800U FreeView STB used only for radio (not connected to a
TV) these days.

Works as normal on all the BBC stations I tried, but on Capital radio (and
other Global owned channels), the audio mutes after about 30 seconds.

Thinking it might just need a re-tune, plugged it up to a TV, so I could
see the menu. Did a retune. No difference.

Now I could see what it was doing on screen, on BBC channels when you
first select one (say R4) it shows an internally generated picture, then
changes to the channel information - just text on a black screen. On
Global, I'd guess a different mux, it shows the same internal picture then
the screen goes blank, and the audio mutes. If I call up the EPG, the
audio returns. But the EPG switches itself off after a few minutes, so not
a 'cure'.

Thinking it maybe just a fault, dug out another identical Sony tuner. Same
problem.

So it would seem somewhere in the fairly recent past there is now a
difference between muxes. All other FreeView devices in the house are OK.
But the Sony obviously the oldest of all. The other oldest device I have
is a Toppy - but haven't yet tried that.

Seems odd it performs normally on TV, but not radio?

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Dave Plowman wrote:

> on BBC channels when you first select one (say R4) it shows an
> internally generated picture, then changes to the channel information
> - just text on a black screen. On Global, I'd guess a different mux,
> it shows the same internal picture then the screen goes blank, and
> the audio mutes.

Dodgy MHEG on the Global channel?

In article <ttvo7h$10k6p$1@dont-email.me>,
Graham. <I.need.a.usenet.client@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> Wrote in message

> Seems odd it performs normally on TV, but not radio?--

> By definition, TV contains a picture and it seems the Sony STB
> only mutes itself when there is no graphic.

Other devices I have don't show a blank screen on Radio, though. And this
is a new thing - it once worked perfectly on all.

> Seems a dumb thing for it to do though.

> What does the rest of your audio system look like, and how is it
> connected to the STB? HDMI, analogue, etc.

One reason I chose the Sony - over others I had lying around - for this
purpose is it has an analogue audio output jack - rather than finding a
SCART adaptor.

It dates from before HDMI days.

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Andy Burns wrote:

> Dave Plowman wrote:
>
>> on BBC channels when you first select one (say R4) it shows an
>> internally generated picture, then changes to the channel information
>> - just text on a black screen. On Global, I'd guess a different mux,
>> it shows the same internal picture then the screen goes blank, and
>> the audio mutes.
>
> Dodgy MHEG on the Global channel?

Just had to retune (presumably Capital has moved?)
But after a few seconds I get a white Capital swoosh on a blue background.

On 04/03/2023 14:52, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> Have a Sony VTX-D800U FreeView STB used only for radio (not connected to a
> TV) these days.
>
> Works as normal on all the BBC stations I tried, but on Capital radio (and
> other Global owned channels), the audio mutes after about 30 seconds.
>
> Thinking it might just need a re-tune, plugged it up to a TV, so I could
> see the menu. Did a retune. No difference.
>
> Now I could see what it was doing on screen, on BBC channels when you
> first select one (say R4) it shows an internally generated picture, then
> changes to the channel information - just text on a black screen. On
> Global, I'd guess a different mux, it shows the same internal picture then
> the screen goes blank, and the audio mutes. If I call up the EPG, the
> audio returns. But the EPG switches itself off after a few minutes, so not
> a 'cure'.
>
> Thinking it maybe just a fault, dug out another identical Sony tuner. Same
> problem.
>
> So it would seem somewhere in the fairly recent past there is now a
> difference between muxes. All other FreeView devices in the house are OK.
> But the Sony obviously the oldest of all. The other oldest device I have
> is a Toppy - but haven't yet tried that.
When I had a Toppy, I recall you could switch MHEG off, might be worth
seeing if that affects anything on the Toppy ?

The fault you observe with your Sony receivers is over 10 years old...

https://community.sony.co.uk/t5/other-tvs/no-sound-from-freeview-radio-channels/td-p/343287

They (Sony) stopped supporting the VTX-D800 yonks ago, so it probably
requires a software update that doesn't exist !

Of course since all Global and some other channels are now on freeview only
in mono, I'd not bother with them or the bbc local ones for the same reason.
FM and DAB are the only games in town unless you use the Internet.
Brian

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"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> On 04/03/2023 14:52, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>> Have a Sony VTX-D800U FreeView STB used only for radio (not connected to
>> a
>> TV) these days.
>>
>> Works as normal on all the BBC stations I tried, but on Capital radio
>> (and
>> other Global owned channels), the audio mutes after about 30 seconds.
>>
>> Thinking it might just need a re-tune, plugged it up to a TV, so I could
>> see the menu. Did a retune. No difference.
>>
>> Now I could see what it was doing on screen, on BBC channels when you
>> first select one (say R4) it shows an internally generated picture, then
>> changes to the channel information - just text on a black screen. On
>> Global, I'd guess a different mux, it shows the same internal picture
>> then
>> the screen goes blank, and the audio mutes. If I call up the EPG, the
>> audio returns. But the EPG switches itself off after a few minutes, so
>> not
>> a 'cure'.
>>
>> Thinking it maybe just a fault, dug out another identical Sony tuner.
>> Same
>> problem.
>>
>> So it would seem somewhere in the fairly recent past there is now a
>> difference between muxes. All other FreeView devices in the house are OK.
>> But the Sony obviously the oldest of all. The other oldest device I have
>> is a Toppy - but haven't yet tried that.
> When I had a Toppy, I recall you could switch MHEG off, might be worth
> seeing if that affects anything on the Toppy ?
>
> The fault you observe with your Sony receivers is over 10 years old...
>
> https://community.sony.co.uk/t5/other-tvs/no-sound-from-freeview-radio-channels/td-p/343287
>
> They (Sony) stopped supporting the VTX-D800 yonks ago, so it probably
> requires a software update that doesn't exist !
>

On 06/03/2023 10:35, Brian Gaff wrote:
> Of course since all Global and some other channels are now on freeview only
> in mono, I'd not bother with them or the bbc local ones for the same reason.
> FM and DAB are the only games in town unless you use the Internet.
I've just had a flick through all the radio stations on Freeview, all
the ones that were playing music were in stereo

On 05/03/2023 12:19, Mark Carver wrote:
> On 04/03/2023 14:52, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>> Have a Sony VTX-D800U FreeView STB used only for radio (not connected
>> to a
>> TV) these days.
>>
>> Works as normal on all the BBC stations I tried, but on Capital radio
>> (and
>> other Global owned channels), the audio mutes after about 30 seconds.
>>
>> Thinking it might just need a re-tune, plugged it up to a TV, so I could
>> see the menu. Did a retune. No difference.
>>
>> Now I could see what it was doing on screen, on BBC channels when you
>> first select one (say R4) it shows an internally generated picture, then
>> changes to the channel information - just text on a black screen. On
>> Global, I'd guess a different mux, it shows the same internal picture
>> then
>> the screen goes blank, and the audio mutes. If I call up the EPG, the
>> audio returns. But the EPG switches itself off after a few minutes, so
>> not
>> a 'cure'.
>>
>> Thinking it maybe just a fault, dug out another identical Sony tuner.
>> Same
>> problem.
>>
>> So it would seem somewhere in the fairly recent past there is now a
>> difference between muxes. All other FreeView devices in the house are OK.
>> But the Sony obviously the oldest of all. The other oldest device I have
>> is a Toppy - but haven't yet tried that.
> When I had a Toppy, I recall you could switch MHEG off, might be worth
> seeing if that affects anything on the Toppy ?
>
> The fault you observe with your Sony receivers is over 10 years old...
>
> https://community.sony.co.uk/t5/other-tvs/no-sound-from-freeview-radio-channels/td-p/343287
>
> They (Sony) stopped supporting the VTX-D800 yonks ago, so it probably
> requires a software update that doesn't exist !
>

My Humax HD-FOX-T2 is over 10 years old and no longer even
works with iPlayer but all the radio channels still work.
The last update was back in 2012-ish.

The BBC radio channels seem to have changed the on-screen graphics
recently though. After pressing channel UP from Radio 1, Radio 2
plays immediately then the screen goes blank for about 10 to 15
seconds then the text appears showing the presenter, time slot
and music details, then after another 5 to 10 seconds "Radio 2"
with the "2" in an orange circle appears.

I haven't retuned it for ages so 724/Capital just shows the message
"Please retune your box".

On Mon, 06 Mar 2023 14:31:53 +0000, Andrew wrote:

> My Humax HD-FOX-T2 is over 10 years old and no longer even works with
> iPlayer but all the radio channels still work.
> The last update was back in 2012-ish.
>
> The BBC radio channels seem to have changed the on-screen graphics
> recently though. After pressing channel UP from Radio 1, Radio 2 plays
> immediately then the screen goes blank for about 10 to 15 seconds then
> the text appears showing the presenter, time slot and music details,
> then after another 5 to 10 seconds "Radio 2" with the "2" in an orange
> circle appears.

We have an HDR FOX-T2. Yes, the graphics have changed and the apps are
pretty well useless. It's still a nice box.

We also have a Roku Express, so that gives us iPlayer, All4, ITVX etc. as
well as casting.

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In article <tu4fle$1lngq$1@dont-email.me>,
Brian Gaff <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
> Of course since all Global and some other channels are now on freeview
> only in mono, I'd not bother with them or the bbc local ones for the
> same reason. FM and DAB are the only games in town unless you use the
> Internet.
> Brian

Where on earth did you get that from, Brian?

We're talking Global here, not GB News.

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In article <tu4tgp$1mbss$7@dont-email.me>,
Andrew <Andrew97d@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > They (Sony) stopped supporting the VTX-D800 yonks ago, so it probably
> > requires a software update that doesn't exist !
> >

> My Humax HD-FOX-T2 is over 10 years old and no longer even
> works with iPlayer but all the radio channels still work.
> The last update was back in 2012-ish.

I've got quite a few older FreeView devices and only the Sony has this
problem.

> The BBC radio channels seem to have changed the on-screen graphics
> recently though. After pressing channel UP from Radio 1, Radio 2
> plays immediately then the screen goes blank for about 10 to 15
> seconds then the text appears showing the presenter, time slot
> and music details, then after another 5 to 10 seconds "Radio 2"
> with the "2" in an orange circle appears.

The Sony puts up its own wallpaper initially. Then on BBC as you say. But
blanks on Global, after the wallpaper. Fairly new TV shows a logo on the
Global channels, so different (in looks) from the BBC. I've found another
STB in the cupboard which works OK on all the radio stations, but give a
blank screen on all. It is obviously newer than the Sony as it has HDMI
out and does HD TV too.

> I haven't retuned it for ages so 724/Capital just shows the message
> "Please retune your box".

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